George W. Bush Is Our President!!!

Oh holy christ on a bicycle... I don't even know where to start on Copper's post. I almost felt like vomiting when I read it.

Copper, I sincerely hope what you said was just a spontaneous outburst of pent-up emotion instead of a reflection of how you truly feel about the rest of the western world.
 
Shafty said:
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lol

That's quite the saying. Never heard that one before.

I notice a trend with copper, he comes out of nowhere and makes a post that is obviously personal. So personal that the things he says come out ignorrant and hypocritical.

As a Canadian I find it confusing how a nation that spends the majority of its budget on defense can even have attacks against it. When I say defense I am talking about guns, tanks, intellegence anything that would protect a nation. I've seen a few of these "Terrorist Attacks" against the US and each time they happen the Gov't asks for more money for defense. Where is all this money going because if terrorists with box cutters can plan something that precise and actually make it happen, im wondering about the intellegence part of it. I also wonder about the de-classified document W199 (I think that is the one). Then I also wonder about the guy that brought it public and where he is now. Maybe its a coincidence a very very strange one I suppose.
 
I would like to interject a bit more about Mr. Clinton. His essential effort during office in regards to interior security was to attempt to pass gun control laws, which would make it easier for the government to control us. The whole point of this is not to say Canada or the brits, or whomever have it together. Honestly, if you look through European history you have things like the spanish inquisition, the frendh revolution....a little thing called WORLD WAR I and II. So for me it's not about look what the US has done, but a good bit of the animosity towards us goes back to the fact that we do effect a good bit of world economic policy and do act as the world's police, but you can't deny that when disasters happen or there are violent outbreaks where do these countries turn first, the richest and most able country in the world. Ohhh, I would like to add that because of the Clinton administration Osama Bin Laden was trained and given money to train others to find and kill other terrorists, the hatred comes from a situation that was poorly mishandled by the Clinton administration that angered Bin Laden to action, I don't have any specific details in regards to what occurred exactly but this is what I've come across in different forms.
 
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That's quite the saying. Never heard that one before.
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Ahhh.. I actually think I heard it from someone else on these forums. :blush: It just seemed to suit the occasion, since I couldn't find a better non-offensive way of expressing my outrage.

kausion_420 said:
I notice a trend with copper, he comes out of nowhere and makes a post that is obviously personal. So personal that the things he says come out ignorrant and hypocritical.

As a Canadian I find it confusing how a nation that spends the majority of its budget on defense can even have attacks against it. When I say defense I am talking about guns, tanks, intellegence anything that would protect a nation. I've seen a few of these "Terrorist Attacks" against the US and each time they happen the Gov't asks for more money for defense. Where is all this money going because if terrorists with box cutters can plan something that precise and actually make it happen, im wondering about the intellegence part of it. I also wonder about the de-classified document W199 (I think that is the one). Then I also wonder about the guy that brought it public and where he is now. Maybe its a coincidence a very very strange one I suppose.
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What struck me as particularily disturbing about his hate filled post was that the guy has been preaching love n' goodwill as well as calling out others for hating America (read: expressing their opinions) on this thread. Then all of a sudden he himself explodes in a violent outburst of rage directed at the rest of the western world for being so weak and "dependant" on the mighty U.S. It's like he had a momentary lapse of inhibition and an accidental "leak" happened. Well, if that is how you truly feel copper, then all I have to say to you is this: vedä itsesi hirteen punaniska. Sinun kaltaisesi sisäsiittoiset apinat edustavat Amerikkalaisen valkoisen roskaväen pohjasakkaa jotka pitäisi huuhtoa maapallon kollektiivisesta viemäristä alas. Juntti... saatanan sisäsiittoinen juntti. :s

Hey BDS... you reading this? You agree? ;)
 
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I would like to interject a bit more about Mr. Clinton. His essential effort during office in regards to interior security was to attempt to pass gun control laws, which would make it easier for the government to control us. The whole point of this is not to say Canada or the brits, or whomever have it together. Honestly, if you look through European history you have things like the spanish inquisition, the frendh revolution....a little thing called WORLD WAR I and II. So for me it's not about look what the US has done, but a good bit of the animosity towards us goes back to the fact that we do effect a good bit of world economic policy and do act as the world's police, but you can't deny that when disasters happen or there are violent outbreaks where do these countries turn first, the richest and most able country in the world. Ohhh, I would like to add that because of the Clinton administration Osama Bin Laden was trained and given money to train others to find and kill other terrorists, the hatred comes from a situation that was poorly mishandled by the Clinton administration that angered Bin Laden to action, I don't have any specific details in regards to what occurred exactly but this is what I've come across in different forms.
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Um binladen was funded before Clinton came into power. Although while Clinton was in power, Foreign nations had binladen and knew he was a threat to the US. Clinton did not want to take this man in even though deep down he knew the man was a threat. Bush is no better in this situation and they are on both sides of the spectrum (Democrat and Republican.)
 
I dont hate Europe and Cannada. But Europe, well really England has become so weak and feeble in her old age. Its very dissapointing. After reading Reds post...I guess I had enough. You know, all of my people come from England, Liverpool area. During the World Wars, number 2 especially, my family lost alot of sons. 9 members of my family died in that war. Many were stationed in England and flew on bombers.
I have learned to expect far left *reactionary, unimformed stuff* from shithead, shafty, a few others. Im not including Kausion becuase hes not a complete fool. I have had alot of buddies who think like him. I disagree with where he ends up on his search for truth, but I respect him.
But reading what Red had to say though, wow, what a let down. It really pissed me off.

I did like that pathetic little kingdoms ruled by inbred freaks line. Maybe Ill put that in my sig. :)

So, It is nice communicating with yall. I like it. Take it easy.
 
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Im just used to being called a Liberal or Theorist for what I bring forward. It just seems to be the norm that when someone questions their government they are labeled a Liberal or Conspiracy Theorist.
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Well, the labels all depend on what is relative to the norm. Here in the U.S., I am labeled a conservative, though I could easily put forth an argument that I am actually a liberal and that "liberalism" has been hijacked by Marxism, which is quite different. In former communist states, I suppose I would be a liberal, as a conservative would be one that argues for a return to the former way of doing things.
 
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I have learned to expect far left *reactionary, unimformed stuff* from shithead, shafty, a few others.
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Bullshit. I have been very careful with the content of my posts. The same cannot be said for you, as you have finally showed your true colors. Besides, I don't side to the far left; I'd classify myself as a moderate liberal/democrat. I don't have beef with America as a nation, but I do dislike the current administration.
 
The same cannot be said for you, as you have finally showed your true colors.
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One mild outburst on my part compared to the many post of mine speaking of tolerance and understanding. Not to mention the vile and fantastic claims Ive read from some members here. The hate speak, name calling i.e. fool, idiot..etc. Give me a break pal. True colors huh, your just looking for a fight. Not gonna get one here. Hugs and kisses shafty. How do you say that in Finnish? Do tell sweetums rofl
 
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One mild outburst on my part compared to the many post of mine speaking of tolerance and understanding. Not to mention the vile and fantastic claims Ive read from some members here. The hate speak, name calling i.e. fool, idiot..etc. Give me a break pal. True colors huh, your just looking for a fight. Not gonna get one here. Hugs and kisses shafty. How do you say that in Finnish? Do tell sweetums rofl
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Oh c'mon, YOU gimme a break here. Some "leftie" members may have resorted to name calling and fighting with you (i.e. Shithead), but I haven't, nor with anyone else. I don't want to get into any of that.

"Suukkoja ja haleja" = hugs and kisses. :yes:
 
im not a "leftie".
the name calling had complete relevance, because your a fool copper.
if the "vile and fantastic claims" part was directed at me, then i challenge you to find even just 1 such claim by me, and show me it's vileness and fantasticness.
and if you pass away your ignorance copper you'll see that you are starting and pushing "fights" here.
 
Well sorry about that, shithead. I shouldn't have used that term since I find it offensive in itself, but I was just trying to get a point across to copper.

I'm leaving this thread now, since I don't want to stir up any more shit or serve to deepen the already much too wide gap between the republican and democrat members. These kinds of threads only promote seperation and hatred, and I'm sick of being involved in that.
 
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i don't like constantly disagreeing with you, because i don't want to come of as just a shit stirrer. but i think topics such as politics should always be discussed, its the best way for people to gain awareness. im not sure its the same in america but where im from there are two taboo questions that are deemed rude to ask, one is asking someone their age, and the other is asking who they vote for. i think thats crap, politics should be always out in the open.
 
Shithead said:
i don't like constantly disagreeing with you, because i don't want to come of as just a shit stirrer. but i think topics such as politics should always be discussed, its the best way for people to gain awareness. im not sure its the same in america but where im from there are two taboo questions that are deemed rude to ask, one is asking someone their age, and the other is asking who they vote for. i think thats crap, politics should be always out in the open.
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I agree 100%.

The more people who say they do not care for politics (seems to be the majority), the more the governments will try to push. You can only push a person so far before they start pushing back. When the majority of the people are sleeping or just not concerned the government can push even farther.

It's important for everyone to know what is going on around them. Everything someone has to say I listen to because most of the time they will say something that I read or heard somewhere else no matter how bizarre. We all need to pay attention to things around us especially Americans because what happens to their country will effect us all.

Stay wise and listen to your instincts.

K_420
 
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i don't like constantly disagreeing with you, because i don't want to come of as just a shit stirrer. but i think topics such as politics should always be discussed, its the best way for people to gain awareness. im not sure its the same in america but where im from there are two taboo questions that are deemed rude to ask, one is asking someone their age, and the other is asking who they vote for. i think thats crap, politics should be always out in the open.
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I agree: the best way to promote awareness and expand your own world view is to discuss these topics with people of opposing beliefs/outlooks. I just feel that on this particular forum the topic of politics is somewhat "touchy", and people can't seem to keep cool and stay within the bounds of civil behavior and courtesy. The last thing I would want would be the banning of any conversation pertaining to this subject, so the fact that people will get upset, angry and willing to place themselves and others into "opposing factions" is the lesser of two evils. I just hate to see the forums getting divided by this issue. I know I have alienated some people that were amicable to me in the past by expressing my feelings on the American government, and I must also confess that I have begun to quietly resent certain individuals whose opinions on this topic and the topic of religion have come off as arrogant, misinformed and just plain stupid. For this reason I think that ignorance would be bliss, and skipping on threads of this nature would ensure that I always enjoy coming back here and meeting the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] crowd.
I have enough "enemies" in real life, and I don't want to make any more on a friggin' internet message board. :P Call me a pacifist if you will, but that's how I feel.
 
It seems that everyone is against Bush because of one thing, Iraq. So I will address that one situation.

I cannot believe that so many people can be swayed by the freaking media to come up with completely insane points of view.

Take for instance Saddam: Does anyone remember his history? What kind of person he was? Instead, they take one point, no stockpiles of WMDs have been found TO DATE in Iraq, and make a decision that invading was wrong. What a crock.

'Stockpiles' is one MINOR point in the decision to go to war. Hell, stockpiles of weapons can easily be destroyed or moved. Big deal. What about the capability to make more, use them, destribute them?

Look at the facts: Saddam obviously had the desire for WMDs. He still had, in place at the time of invasion, all of the capability and resources to make more. Look at David Kay's report on WMDs. Nobody seems to catch the fact that Kay stated Saddam was MORE of a threat at the time of war, than when inspectors first went to Iraq. They just linger on his point that no WMDs were found. Don't worry, they could make more, as long as Saddam was in power, very quickly. Why is this obvious point never considered?

Now, what about intent? He had used them, not only on Iranians, but on his own people. Enough said. He has no conscience. It is easy to ascertain that he would use them on the US or any other country.

Why does everyone ignore Saddam's relationship to Al Quada? They talked. What about? Who cares? Just the fact that they had a definite relationship is a huge threat. The US is the first, greatest, stated enemy of Al Quada. Saddam had either the weapons, or the technology, to deliver to Al Quada, in order to do us harm. Bush, or any other leader, would be remise in not addressing this problem. Why would a sound leader wait until a situation became critical? Nip it in the bud.

Further, Saddam was giving $25,000 to each family of suicide bombers in Isreal. Come on folks! Wake up!

What about delivery? He had continued to work on delivery systems, violating many UN resolutions. In fact, HUNDREDS of violations of UN resolutions were found after invasion. But nobody reported these to any great extent. But the most serious delivery system would have come to light had his relationship with Al Quada been allowed to continue. Why were all of these terrorists found in Iraq after invasion? Why were so many Al Quada members there? Why did Al Zawahiri go to Iraq, and is still there creating havoc?

The Iraq situation causing more terrorists? Please remember, we were not in Iraq on 9/11. We were not in Afghanistan either. Since invasion, we have not had another attack on our homeland. Neither has the UK. The best defense IS a good offense.

No other nation may agree with how Bush handled things. Fine. But it can be argued that what he has done has worked very well. If indeed democracy can flourish in the middle east, in Iraq and Afghanistan, it will make a huge difference in how these people live and think. It will not be easy, but nobody ever thought it would. But it surely would not happen if the effort was not put forth.

BTW, there are many other reasons for going into Iraq. The greatest reason, IMO, is how Saddam treated his own people. How the oil for food program did not work, and they were sufffering. How he tortured and killed his own people.

For another post: The oil for food scandel. How France, Russia, China, Germany, et al, sold out the rest of the world to a horrible dictator because of one thing, money. Why has this not been all over the world's media? The US fighting for oil? Give me a break. Who was getting the oil before the war, and sold out for it?

One day, the truth shall win out.

Bigger
 
Well, I knew it would be a hard pill to swallow, but its very much what I feel at the moment, alongside many other Brits....this isnt weak, just because I dont agree with my nation going to war with the USA....How is that weak? rofl Its MY view, I dont expect all this BS about weak nations flying-up which is insane :P The UK has more allies in the world than the USA will ever have, Canada, Australia, New Zealand you name it...they all respect the Brits, cos we lead by example...not my emotion like the USA.
I'm not arsed what the USA does, hell they can NUKE Iraq..I dont give a rats ass, just aslong my nation hasnt anything to do with it, cos this whole war on terror was seeded IMHO A LONG LONG time ago, partly by the USA....they want to in essence rule the world.....it wont happen, people wont let that happen and the Arab world is now SADLY doing what its doing....I dont agree with it, but the US has caused some of this.
I'm just sick and tired with the UK getting dragged into the shit everytime.....we dont need the US to fight terrorism on our own soil....we will fight that ourselves, we have a TIGHT defence, and have already foiled many attacks already here so dont go thinking your big and mighty empire protects us cos it doesnt...we can protect ourselves and always have done, just in WW2 the US helped, but they had other motives, it wasnt all about We love the Brits.....plus you always make Hollywood Bullshit films rofl I wouldnt mind but MOST films made in Hollywood on old war tales are infact nuthing at all to do with the US...just the US wanting to be in the picture and centre of attention as always.
I also feel this Hollywood shit and Centre of attention craving has NEVER helped the US when getting itself across to the Arab world......put it thisway, I have been to Arabia and I have freinds from their, and alot do not like the USA but they dont mind the UK.....nearly all the hate is aimed at the USA, and the nations that got dragged into its shitty washing since the 9/11 incident....thats WHY Bush reacted, couldnt let the US look weak after such an attack, so they saw Suddam and invaded, made a new victory boost US Morale....pathetic, us Brits do not need that rofl hey some of you made this thread personnal by slagging off the nation of England, well you should say United Kingdom....so I have said abit myself in her defence.
 
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When it comes to media, I don't listen to it. Im not saying I hate Bush because of Iraq. It was the American Gov't that helped him since 1979 anyways. Gave him the means to create biological warfare. Since WW2 the US has overthrown at least 50 different leaders. With the amount of enemies saddam has around him what is the point in invading when you could do like you have done in the past and overthrow him. Your gov't are experts at overthrowing people.

Those of you who want to know more about this war in Iraq and the one in Afganistan should read the Project for the New American Century Act or PNAC. Since it is De-Classified you should be able to find it through the internet. It is there for you to read. In a democracy the gov't can't withhold evidence like this but they also know that noone will ever read it. Those who do read it and say something about it will be labeled as crazy. In the document which was started in 1992 I believe but passed in 1999 gives information about them needing a war with Iraq. Also in the document it states that Bush has to be elected in 2000 by any means necessary. It also says other things but I encourage you to read it before calling me crazy.

K_420
 
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I will read that, sounds very interesting. But as far as overthrowing leaders, the people being oppressed and tortured by those leaders are happy to see them go.
They want someone to come in and force a change. Maybe it would be better if it was a world effort, actually it would definitly be better, but the U.N. does not seem very efficient or honorable. Geo-political affairs are incredibly complex.
Look at North Korea. Do you think the North Koreans are happy? They deserve a life of freedom. Established countries have a duty in my opinion to help them. Would you walk by someone bleeding to death on the sidewalk? I dont think you would. What if after you helped them someone else came along and said you only did it for personal gain? You know?
I will check that document out though. I appreciate the dialouge here and enjoy 'speaking' with all you guys. Your pretty awesome people :-)

I thought Bib made some excellent points which I agree with entirely.

I agree with Red concerning Hollywood, I wish that place would drop of the face of the Earth to be honest. It can take Mtv with it.

Shafty, I like you since of humor. Youve got me interested in Finland. How are the women there?
 
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