George W. Bush Is Our President!!!

Call me a leftist or conspiracy theorist but when you have two rival candidates who belong to the same secret society that seem a little strange to me. It goes back to what I have said in previous posts about how whether Democrat or Republican, they are both following the same orders.

Bush and Kerry both admitted on national television to being part of the Skull and Bones. Those of you not knowing what that is, it's a secret society that at their time of initiation only took in 15 new members a year. This means that only 800 members would be living at any given time. It is also a requirement that the members belong to the elitest bloodlines which would infact make them distant cousins.

If you research you will find out that the Skull and Bones is a more indepth branch from Freemasonry and that Freemasonry is a branch under the Illuminati. It has been stated many times that there are 13 families belonging to the Illuminati that control the world banks and the production of money. They are spread out over the world. Those who are not part of the original 13 family bloodline but still have elitest blood are operating under high degrees of masonry. Those in high degrees of masonry that have royalty in their bloodlines are members to Skull and Bones. Read about the religions to these societies and you will see both men are in belief to the same ideoligies.

For two men that most say are very different because of their political beliefs, notice how they answer the same question in the same manner.

Bush

Kerry
 
Shafty said:
Yep, I wasn't really surprised, angry or anything when the U.S invaded Afghanistan. After all, it's not like they had a real government or any social structures that would have suffered from the invasion, and even if they had, the retaliation was needed and justified. That's where the main concentration of Al Qaeda forces was at the time, so the attack was a perfectly understandable course of action for the U.S. I guess at that point it wasn't known how widespread and pocketed the whole terrorist network was, since it seems that Al Qaeda is still very much active. I do hope to see the day when it is rooted out and destroyed for good, but I'm also being realistic in that it may never happen unless the U.S changes it's current foreign policy drastically.
My fingers are crossed for Bush to be more cooperative with Europe and the rest of the world in his second term. I think it will take the combined efforts of all the nations of the west to fight terrorism effectively, and most importantly, fight the very reasons why terrorism exists in the first place.
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Shafty, I'm curious and interested to get the perspective of someone like yourself. What changes should the U.S. make to it foreign policy? Please elaborate on the things you previously said when you get a chance.
 
penguinsfan said:
Kausion, on this matter, you're way more right than left. Alex would consider himself far right.
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Im just used to being called a Liberal or Theorist for what I bring forward. It just seems to be the norm that when someone questions their government they are labeled a Liberal or Conspiracy Theorist.
 
theres a free masonary club down the street from where i live. its not a secret that it exists, and if you look up free masonary on the web you'll see its not really all the conspiricy claims it to be.
 
There are masonic temples in all cities. Look up masonic symbols or masonry on the web. Learn what the symbols mean and the history behind masonry dating back to the days of the Knights Templar.

There are two sides to freemasonry. There is the side where anyone can join which is probably to club you are talking about. Once you make your way into the higher side of it (30 degrees and up) you will learn the truth to the rituals. Also you will notice once you get into the higher parts that there are no longer coloured masons or homosexual masons.
 
kausion_420 said:
There are masonic temples in all cities. Look up masonic symbols or masonry on the web. Learn what the symbols mean and the history behind masonry dating back to the days of the Knights Templar.

There are two sides to freemasonry. There is the side where anyone can join which is probably to club you are talking about. Once you make your way into the higher side of it (30 degrees and up) you will learn the truth to the rituals. Also you will notice once you get into the higher parts that there are no longer coloured masons or homosexual masons.
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im not doubting your information, but things like this tend to get carried away, just tread with caution
 
As a Brit I feel sad that we have Bush BACK, IMHO hes unstable.
Also as a Brit, I worry as our PMs ALWAYS seem to lick the USAs arsehole, this NEEDS TO STOP and the Brits need to let the yanks invade and do things on their own, and hence face the shit themselves, we have been dragged through enough....this Iraq war IMHO is the LAST STRAW, In the UK they are ALL very against it now and wont entertain another war with the yanks like this.
As for terrorism hitting everyone, yeah EXACTLY tell me something I dont know.
As a cop I already know all this, it will hit alot of countries but I feel they are alot higher risk if they help the USA, its the USA that the terrorists hate the most and I have been told by Arab freinds that when they go back to their nation the mood is fine with the Brits but they HATE the Yanks.
The UK is more a risk now hanging about with the US in Iraq than it would be if it were doing what France did......we must STOP doing what the USA wants and start looking after ourselves more, fuck whats going on in other countries, i.e if the leader is executing his people and torturing them....it aint ANYTHING to do with us
 
REDZULU2003 said:
As a Brit I feel sad that we have Bush BACK, IMHO hes unstable.
Also as a Brit, I worry as our PMs ALWAYS seem to lick the USAs arsehole, this NEEDS TO STOP and the Brits need to let the yanks invade and do things on their own, and hence face the shit themselves, we have been dragged through enough....this Iraq war IMHO is the LAST STRAW, In the UK they are ALL very against it now and wont entertain another war with the yanks like this.
As for terrorism hitting everyone, yeah EXACTLY tell me something I dont know.
As a cop I already know all this, it will hit alot of countries but I feel they are alot higher risk if they help the USA, its the USA that the terrorists hate the most and I have been told by Arab freinds that when they go back to their nation the mood is fine with the Brits but they HATE the Yanks.
The UK is more a risk now hanging about with the US in Iraq than it would be if it were doing what France did......we must STOP doing what the USA wants and start looking after ourselves more, fuck whats going on in other countries, i.e if the leader is executing his people and torturing them....it aint ANYTHING to do with us
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Red, with tremendous respect for you, I respect your opinion, but the terrorist want allies to abandon each other out of fear of terrorist attacks. Bush was doing what was in the best interest of the citizens of the US. The Brits have long been our allies, and for that I have tremendous respect. I guarantee if the situation was reversed, the US would be there with y'all. If you don't agree with the war in Iraq, then you have every right to feel that way, I just hate to hear that the reason you feel that way is out of fear of terrorists. You have never struck me as the type of person to let fear or intimidation keep you from standing with your friends. Again, I don't mean offend to you.
 
You dont offend me, nor do I fear terrorists.
On a regler basis have to carryout checks of that nature with my line of work.
Mate, what I meant was...its gotten to a stage now where the UK people DO NOT want to be DRAGGED into trouble with the USA....simple as that.
I feel the US has caused some of this terrorism, well EDIT the US Gouvernment has caused some over the years with its stupid fuckin decisions and acts it thought was right yet went wrong.
You cant fight terrorism, I dont care what anyone says the only way to KILL terrorism is to actually NUKE the country, i.e Iraq but thats outta the question for obvious reasons.
I PRAY TO GOD, that the next leader of the UK will not do what the US wants all the fuckin time, fuck the US what it wants is irrelavant to me, what is rellavant is MY NATIONS safety.....right here, not in Iraq.....okay the BS [MHO] About the weapons of mass destruction could have been fired here...but thats a huge IF.
The UK should concentrate on looking after the homeland, and stop going off into war after war after war with the United States of America.....its getting fuckin annoying now, I will ALWAYS support the people who fight for my country but I feel we are fighting mainly for ONE MANs needs here....Mr Bush.....and somehow the UK got dragged into it, got its name covered in mud and hence has itself more at risk than before, this isnt being scared or cowardly...its being clever and useing tactics.....its foolish what we are doing now in Iraq, the war on terrorism will never end....if it does it'll take MANY MANY years to end, Bush cant win like this....its feeding more Arab and world hatred for him and the USA plus the silly bastards aka UK that help the USA.
The UK also helps the USA anyways, the US has bases here in the UK and sattelites here that monitor alsorts of shit in Europe such as Russia and also have bases like the one in Machrihanish plus others where the Big Secret spy planes can take off and goto the Gulf....the UK is a massive ally, but we need to stop going into the wars like we do cos I feel its not doing us anygood here....the US is big enough and has enough power, so it can and could manage.

American members here, dont be offended by my comments....I do not hate or dislike any of you, its MY OPINION of the whole situation....we MUST fight in Iraq cos we helped start it so lets end it, or TRY TO....but I dont belive we should keep helping the USA in its wars against so called terrorism....get another poodle I guess is the answer to the White House....how about Spain? lots of Spanish in the US.
 
What I don't like is that if the U.S asks a country to aid in their (Coalition), and they cant, all sorts of shit goes down.

I run a company(in Canada) that does work for plants that use slurry to transport materials. After Canada could not enter IRAQ for obvious reasons (the minuscule Canadian military is currently in 5 countries providing security and peacekeeping missions, not to mention Afghanistan on top of that)...no reserves left.

I lost business with three big clients, two in Texas and one in California (happened in 2003). Quite simply put, they took the fact that my government couldn't help out in the "War In Iraq" as an insult and decided upon themselves to sever all business ties with Canada as retribution. this decision cost our company $250,000 to relocate our staff and offices from their sites.

(Aftermath) Because we are the only company in the world that provides software to simulate plant slurry operations, I ended up getting these clients calling me back for our services because of problems in their existing pipelines (Thats why they were using us in the first place). I don't like to be one to hold grudges but I told them to take a hike. We have more than enough business here in Canada and in other countries...they thought their pie was so sweet that I would have to come crawling back (BAH!).

I could go on and on about the bullshit, but IMHO Americans take themselves way to serious, they have a big stick i will admit it, but they don't have to use it at every corner. It brings resentment not only from a political perspective but a business one as well. Americans aren't making any friends by bullying.

I love America and "most" of its people. But its time to smarten up, your not the only people living on this planet, make friends while you can before you find yourselves in a reduced place one day looking for our help.

P.S: This is only directed at Americas politicians and corporate power holders. Whether you like it or not they are ambassador's for your country in many respects.
 
Al the U.S.A has done is help the world. Every fuckin time some other country suffers a disaster or needs some kind of assistance the U.S.A lends a giant hand.

Yet you Europeans/Canadians blame all your problems on us. Im sick of it. You know what? Your countries do suck. Your are losers. You have few freedoms. Your weak and lazy and full of yourselves. Your forget have to live as free men long ago. You are all nothing more than serfs. Slaves.

You have bloody histories, thousands of years of brutality against your fellow men.
America changed that. We created a place where men are free. We determine our on destiny. You Europeans gave that up long ago. You dont have the will to get it back. Wouldnt know what to do with it if you did. Probably slaughter each other and set up a bunch of pathetic little kingdoms, ruled over by inbred freaks.

p.s. Canada, suck my big fat white American dick. Your a weak sister Canada.
 
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badbal said:
What I don't like is that if the U.S asks a country to aid in their (Coalition), and they cant, all sorts of shit goes down.

I run a company(in Canada) that does work for plants that use slurry to transport materials. After Canada could not enter IRAQ for obvious reasons (the minuscule Canadian military is currently in 5 countries providing security and peacekeeping missions, not to mention Afghanistan on top of that)...no reserves left.

I lost business with three big clients, two in Texas and one in California (happened in 2003). Quite simply put, they took the fact that my government couldn't help out in the "War In Iraq" as an insult and decided upon themselves to sever all business ties with Canada as retribution. this decision cost our company $250,000 to relocate our staff and offices from their sites.

(Aftermath) Because we are the only company in the world that provides software to simulate plant slurry operations, I ended up getting these clients calling me back for our services because of problems in their existing pipelines (Thats why they were using us in the first place). I don't like to be one to hold grudges but I told them to take a hike. We have more than enough business here in Canada and in other countries...they thought their pie was so sweet that I would have to come crawling back (BAH!).

I could go on and on about the bullshit, but IMHO Americans take themselves way to serious, they have a big stick i will admit it, but they don't have to use it at every corner. It brings resentment not only from a political perspective but a business one as well. Americans aren't making any friends by bullying.

I love America and "most" of its people. But its time to smarten up, your not the only people living on this planet, make friends while you can before you find yourselves in a reduced place one day looking for our help.

P.S: This is only directed at Americas politicians and corporate power holders. Whether you like it or not they are ambassador's for your country in many respects.
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Very well said.

they took the fact that my government couldn't help out in the "War In Iraq" as an insult and decided upon themselves to sever all business ties with Canada as retribution
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The above is VERY VERY TRUE, and is WHY no British PM has dared say no to the US when it wants help in war....I'm sure it was Blair and Clinton who had a quick ruffle of feathers over British military going to US hot spots...cant find quotes ect, I said so in my last post but I'm convinced I hearf this.
The US president at the time [Sure it was Clinton] said along the lines what I've just quoted you of now...if the Brits didnt help than the US would sever Buisness ties with us, so we ended up helping.
I also remember hearing similer things being said before this Iraq war, that Blair was INFACT 50/50 at onepoint about it all, until the so called proof of WOMD came in, than he said yeah..but before that all the MPs in his parliament were saying no to the US, and Bush actually also didnt like that and the press even said it could mean Buisness lossess between the UK and USA.
 
copper_handshak said:
Al the U.S.A has done is help the world. Every fuckin time some other country suffers a disaster or needs some kind of assistance the U.S.A lends a giant hand.

Yet you Europeans/Canadians blame all your problems on us. Im sick of it. You know what? Your countries do suck. Your are losers. You have few freedoms. Your weak and lazy and full of yourselves. Your forget have to live as free men long ago. You are all nothing more than serfs. Slaves.

You have bloody histories, thousands of years of brutality against your fellow men.
America changed that. We created a place where men are free. We determine our on destiny. You Europeans gave that up long ago. You dont have the will to get it back. Wouldnt know what to do with it if you did. Probably slaughter each other and set up a bunch of pathetic little kingdoms, ruled over by inbred freaks.

p.s. Canada, suck my big fat white American dick. Your a weak sister Canada.
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This is abit rash, the part about Canada being a WEAK sister to the US lol they aint weak bro.
I feel your takeing these comments the wrong way, read through them again....also the US does not offer a giant helping hand, but an interfering one...they [the US gouvernment NOT people] should have learned from Somalia, that they shouldnt get involved in others wars and also FINISH wars before starting others. Its the USA that has infact caused alot of trouble throughout the world in the 20th century, why else do you think they are hated so much? It isnt right the USA being hated, I dont hate them...its a shame the actions of a few reflect the whole nation, which is infact a very niceone.
 
copper_handshak said:
Al the U.S.A has done is help the world. Every fuckin time some other country suffers a disaster or needs some kind of assistance the U.S.A lends a giant hand.

Yet you Europeans/Canadians blame all your problems on us. Im sick of it. You know what? Your countries do suck. Your are losers. You have few freedoms. Your weak and lazy and full of yourselves. Your forget have to live as free men long ago. You are all nothing more than serfs. Slaves.

You have bloody histories, thousands of years of brutality against your fellow men.
America changed that. We created a place where men are free. We determine our on destiny. You Europeans gave that up long ago. You dont have the will to get it back. Wouldnt know what to do with it if you did. Probably slaughter each other and set up a bunch of pathetic little kingdoms, ruled over by inbred freaks.

p.s. Canada, suck my big fat white American dick. Your a weak sister Canada.
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Im not gonna even bother coming up with a rebutle to this one. You let your personal feelings overcome you and thats when things get ignorrant. A good debate never involves personal feelings.

As far as Canada not being free, we have more choice than Americans do. Your last election proves that. But I guess you would feel much more safe from the Terrorists if you had military and police combine to patrol your streets at night.

America does help many nations but they seem to go by one simple rule. Problem, Reaction Solution. You create the problem to offer your solution. If I remember correctly, wasn't it America that help put saddam in power. Who aided him and gave him the means to create biological warfare. Then all of a sudden prior to 9/11 Saddam decides he would be better off changing the oil currency over to the Euro which would change the federal reserve and have the Euro as the worlds currency. Of course the US couldn't let this happen so Iraq was invaded. Its also interesting how the military bases are strategically placed right along the oil pipe line in both Afganistan and Iraq.

Yours Truly,

The Weak Sister.
 
copper_handshak said:
Yet you Europeans/Canadians blame all your problems on us. Im sick of it. You know what? Your countries do suck. Your are losers. You have few freedoms. Your weak and lazy and full of yourselves. Your forget have to live as free men long ago. You are all nothing more than serfs. Slaves.

You have bloody histories, thousands of years of brutality against your fellow men.
America changed that. We created a place where men are free. We determine our on destiny. You Europeans gave that up long ago. You dont have the will to get it back. Wouldnt know what to do with it if you did. Probably slaughter each other and set up a bunch of pathetic little kingdoms, ruled over by inbred freaks.
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lol

Are you serious??

Bloody histories brutality against our fellow man???

lol

What about your civil war.

Slaves?? You created a place where we could be free...

The slaves fled to CANADA to be free from the AMERICANS...

Stereotypically its the Americans who are full of themselves we Canadians are nice and say things like "Eh" :D.

The only inbreds I can think of are hillbillies. We don't have those up here in Canada its far too cold :D.

Day by day your civil liberties are getting taken away your constitution being whiped on the assess of your leaders. Heck your leaders are so arrogant they have the nerve to pass these acts and have them available to read. They obviously know that noone is going to read them anyways.

Have you read through your patriot act??
 
Wow. First, I think it is wrong for Americans to hold it against Canada for not going with us. Some of this may have been carried over from frustrations with France (which are justified), but private citizens taking it out on other private citizens isn't cool to me. As for the Brits, as far as I'm concerned, we should count you among our few true allies, and if the support we get from you guys is out of fear of retalitory economic acts against you all, that is not cool either.

As for Canada being weak... Canada does get to take some measure of reassurance in knowing the US has their back if anything goes down. Canada can get away with spending MUCH less on national defense because of their relationship with the US. But that's the way of the world and I don't hold that against Canada. On the same token, it DOES bother me when Canada takes this benefit for granted and then criticizes our country and our leaders.

As for the stuff about about everyone else being slaves and not wanting freedom bad enough to get it and not knowing what to do with it if you had it... I can't really agree with all that. But we all have our opinions. Yes, we (the US) do have a bloody history, and there is an undeniable history of repression against certain groups, but these things are part of our history and contributed to making us the country that we are today.

It cannot be denied that we lend giant helping hands around the world. We have played world police for the UN for years now, and I, personally, hate this. It has gotten a LOT of our young men killed. Clinton's willingness to be a puppet for the UN is the reason I didn't join the military when I got out of high school in the early 1990s. Of course his willingness to do the UN's bidding is the reason foreign countries love him so much. He (in my opinion) put our soldiers in danger for the benefit of other nations.

The US, UK, and Canada need to stick together (I'm not arguing to the exclusion of other countries). In today's climate we all need each other, and we need to remember who our true enemies are.
 
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kausion_420 said:
Day by day your civil liberties are getting taken away your constitution being whiped on the assess of your leaders. Heck your leaders are so arrogant they have the nerve to pass these acts and have them available to read. They obviously know that noone is going to read them anyways.

Have you read through your patriot act??
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Th USA PATRIOT Act is a disturbing piece of legislation, true. Some things to keep in mind with this law: This law has been repeatedly introduced in several forms throughout the last 15 years. Bush 41 tried to get some of this passed, Clinton tried to get a LOT of this stuff passed, too. Bush 43 did get it passed after 9/11. Keep in mind many President's liked this legislation because it helps the justice department (which answers to the AG who answers to the president), so don't just blame this on the current Bush administration. The only reason it got passed now is because the people let it pass.

If it were permanent, I would be much more concerned, but most all of the controversial sections have sunset provisions, which means they expire automatically. Secondly we have judicial review which has invalidated some patrs of the act, and will undoubtedly invalidate others. Personally, given the climate at the time it passed, I think it served a legit function. It has prevented more terrorist attacks against our nation, many of which the public has never heard about, because the mere fact that they were planned would create some measure of terror (which is the aim of these thugs). I know about some of these only through my exposure to the Justice Department through law school, and trust me, it's best that some things are not disclosed.
 
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