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This is not meant to be an attack on the credibility of anyone here or FR in general, I just am confused about something and am wondering if maybe there is an explanation.

I have viewed Kong's newest pics and he definately seems as big as he claims, I am not about to call that into question. But, in terms of the current state of your foreskin, it looks no different than mine and I had a relatively tight circumcision. Especially in the erect pics, the shaft skin seems like it is pulled tight with no give. I have seen many people that WERE cut and did NOT do FR who have a lot more shaft skin than you have. Obviously you were probably cut extremely tight and you have brought back a decent amount of your foreskin, I am not calling that into question, but...

For for my question: How is it that you can have all of the supposed gains of a restored man when upon inspection your dick looks no different than a person who has been cut? It makes no sense. In my current state, I am cut and have never done FR, and I have about the same amount of skin for my shaft as you do. My skin doesn't "glide" when having sex, when I am hard my skin is pulled tight along my shaft. I just don't get it. When I hear you talk about how far you have come with FR I expected to see your pic and see like a pseudo foreskin that partially covered your penis head. I am sorry, but you still look like you are cut as tight as any circ'd man here in the US. It is possible that I have misjudged or am missing out on pertinent information here, I will not rule that out as a possibility. However, Kong, if you can shed light on this for me I would appreciate it. Once again, I am not insulting you or saying I'm right and you're wrong, I am just asking for clarification.

Skepdick
 
It is very hard to judge if someones skin is tight or not when erect. My skin in a pic probably looks tight too (when erect, not flaccid) but trust me, i have lots of movement.
 
No offense. I'll be happy to answer your questions...

I was cut extremely tight. So tight, in fact, that when I got a boner, it would pull my scrotum almost all the way up the shaft. I also had a pretty decent curve. When hard, my penis was basically unmoveable, and so was the skin. I could actually tear the skin at the c-scar line a little if I was too rough. After 10 months of FR, my scrotum has moved back closer to a more natural position, even when erect. Now, when erect, my scrotum goes about an inch or two up the shaft instead of halfway. My wife says that my balls bounce against her rectum when we fuck instead of her lips and she likes it...she says it is a real turn on. The best thing for me is that the skin is loose now. That is something that a picture doesn't show. My wife can pull the skin up the shaft all the way over the head pretty easily, and the looser skin makes sex better: she stays wetter, and it feels "softer" now inside her, more silky, it is hard to describe if you do not know. Maybe that is what they talk about the "gliding". Sometimes, if she is really tight, I'll feel that loose skin slide up and bump against the corona-- it just adds a little something extra with sex. When I am rock hard, I am still really tight, but not like before. After about six months of FR, I began to notice that the skin was more mobile. Did you know the skin is supposed to slide around and up and down the shaft? I didn't because mine never did. I had alot of scar adhesions that broke loose after a few months of stretching. Still, I would guess I am only halfway done. Consider, too, that most UNCUT guys do not have coverage when erect... My FR goal is to have a little coverage even when erect...just over the ridge of the head.

Also, too, doing FR and Penis Enlargement at the same time, my dick has been getting bigger as I grow more skin, so FR is taking quite a bit longer than it normally would, but that is okay with me. I am still trying to get my balls back where they should be. When I get erect, I will do exercises and pull the scrotum back off the shaft, away from the glans, trying to stretch the skin. I really want my balls off my shaft because it will make it look bigger (I hope) I am comfortable with my cock size, now, though. I am concentrating more on the FR than the Penis Enlargement. I do Penis Enlargement routines about three times a week now instead of two time a day. I still want to be bigger, but it is big enough for me for now...and for my wife!

If I am even semi-erect, I have very little exta skin. Just some wrinkles in the inner mucosal tissue (the lighter colored skin above the c-scar line).

If I am completely flaccid, I have a roll behind the glans that will sometimes roll over on its own when I am sitting or laying down. Sometimes I am really wrinkly, sometimes it slips over the head a bit. I am right at the point of getting real coverage, finally. It is like a "dam break" point...almost enough skin to spill over the glans and stay.

Recently, I have noticed with this cold weather that I am getting spontaneous coverage all by itself...but it is because I am cold and shrivelled up...but at least it is a start... Just turtling up, I guess. :) But it's cool to see what it's going to look like eventually...

As far as the sensitivity benefits, you have to understand restoration. It takes YEARS to get coverage, but in the meantime, you are staying covered 24/7. Your glans DKs after a few months. When you have sex, you feel the actual fucking folds in her pussy instead of just "warm/wet" because your head is so sensitive. Your new skin has new nerves and everything just seems to feel more intense. It's simple math there, really. 4 new square inches of skin = 4 square inches of new nerves = feels better.

I do admit that if I quit taping for a few days, the sensitivity in the head starts to diminish, but I have only taken a couple breaks over the last year from FR.

I am also lucky in that I have alot of mucosal tissue. There's enough to cover the entire head when I am taped, and I stay pretty wet in there. I don't think someone with less mucosal tissue would DK as fast as me.

If you have any other questions, let me know. I would be happy to explain. I am not trying to fool anyone and have nothing to hide! :)
 
Clears a few things up, although, from your pic I can clearly see that I have (at least) as much skin on my shaft as you and I do not get this gliding effect.

I guess I just don't get it how you are able to use yourself as the burden of proof for all the miracles of FR when, even if you have stretched your skin out from your starting point, which was incredibly tight, you are still at the current level of an average circumsized man.
 
Would you be willing to post erect pics showing that you get some some coverage over the head when erect, or that your skin now functions as a foreskin would during sex?

Also, are you sure about the nerver growth here? You are stretching skin from your shaft towards the head. Let me put it this way, if a bodybuilder works their ass off and jacks their arms up from 16 inches to 20 inches, that's a whole lot of new skin covering their arms. Are their arms more sensitive? Probably not, because it's arm skin that is being expanded. You're expanding plain old skin from the shaft. I don't know about other forum members, but the shaft of my penis is nowhere near as sensitive as the head, and I know the nerve density isn't the same.

Also, what is "mucoscal tissue." I thought that you lost nearly everything foreskin related from your penis when circumcised? I was also under the impression that the majority of the glands that produced any lubrication are part of the foreskin. Are you sure this isn't just sweat accumulating in any extra skin that you've grown out? Is this to say there are mucous membranes on the head of an uncircumcised penis?
 
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No swank. Let me clear this up for you, you are right in saying that shaft skin is just plain old skin, it isnt going to be sensitive as it isnt laden with nerves like the foreskin is, that is truly lost.
However most men who have a circumcision are left with inner skin. Some more than others, this inner skin is mucosal skin which produces the smegma etc. FR will grow more inner skin if there was any left from the cut.
 
The mucosal tissue is the remnant of the foreskin that was cut away. It is the light colored skin above your c-scar line. It is where all the "juice" is made that keeps the head wet and is also dense with sex-specific nerves. On a circed guy, this is the part of the shaft that "feels good" when you stroke it or play with it. This, coupled with the glans and whatever is left of the fren, is where you get your pleasure from during sex. Looking at your pics, swank, I see that you have 1/2 inch of mucosal tissue. Not a lot to work with, even if you did want to do FR. I have about 2 inches of mucosal tissue, no frenelum and a very sensitive glans. Every cut is different. You all accuse me of promising miracles and it is just unfounded. You need look only to the top of this forum to see what I actually promise with FR. The rest is in your heads. Sorry.

PS-- I will post some pics later today for you guys to criticize. Get your hatchets sharpened! :)
 
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Okay, here are those pics for you guys to criticize. Now, I want you to be as brutal and dense-headed as usual. :D

For you more open-minded men, please be aware that FR photos are not as easy to get as erect pics. You can make your dick get hard pretty easy, but getting a psuedo-foreskin to cooperate is a little more involved. I tried to show the different kinds of coverage with a cold, turtled weiner, regular hang and hard on, and demonstrate the skin mobility in still photos. I think they "give proof" that they show what I claim...which is that I am making good progress and am begining to get the more advanced benefits of FR, but still have a long way to go.

Keep in mind that you will get some benefits soon after begining FR. Keeping the glans covered will help regain sensitivity pretty early on. Skin Mobility improves pretty early on, too. The coverage and gliding comes much later.

One thing the photos don't show is just how much "looser" my skin feels. I could stretch it before, but it didn't feel as "natural". I don't know how to explain that better.

FR is not something that you do and, overnight, you have a foreskin. It takes a loooooonnnngggg time, and the progress is very gradual.

Definitely worth it, tho. Just the sensitivity increase is worth all the hassle.
 
Thanks for posting some pics Kong, but it doesn't appear that you have a normally functioning foreskin when erect from the pictures.

I can see you have some loosness in the flaccid shots which I can only assume was not there before, but in your 'erect coverage' shots at the end you don't appear to be nearly as erect as your normal erect shots. Also, the pic where you are pulling the skin over the head you are clearly only semi-erect.

When not fully hard I can easily do this as well, and it appears that you are pulling so hard that your pubic region is being tugged up the shaft. Under normal cicrcumstances I don't think this would happen during sex, and clearly it isn't the 'foreskin' area where this slack skin is coming from, but you strongly gripping at a lower point and moving all the skin from the shaft up. Like I said, I can do this very easily as well when not all the erect, as you clearly are not in the photo.

Also, it seems that amount of what you have described as the 'mucuscal tissue' in your before and after erect pics is the same. If there was more skin stretched on the shaft, wouldn't it change the amount of stretch for the tissue? Perhaps the pictures just aren't clear, but it seems that in the erect state there is hardly a difference.

Also, I have not personally looked into this yet, but are you saying that there special glands or secretionary ducts in or under the skin on that area of the penis, and that they are capable of functioning post circumcision if only covered for an amount of time? What is the nature of their secretions (chemical composition, amount, ect.)? Please post a link to wherever you are getting this information from.

A better and more convcincing picture would be an a clearly erect shot where you are actually able to roll some restored foreskin over the glans without stretching all the skin from your shaft up. I would think that if you are able to move within your own restored skin during sex than it wouldn't take much [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to get some coverage over the glans in a fully erect state.
 
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Thanks for posting some pics Kong, but it doesn't appear that you have a normally functioning foreskin when erect from the pictures.

I can see you have some loosness in the flaccid shots which I can only assume was not there before, but in your 'erect coverage' shots at the end you don't appear to be nearly as erect as your normal erect shots. Also, the pic where you are pulling the skin over the head you are clearly only semi-erect.

When not fully hard I can easily do this as well, and it appears that you are pulling so hard that your pubic region is being tugged up the shaft. Under normal cicrcumstances I don't think this would happen during sex, and clearly it isn't the 'foreskin' area where this slack skin is coming from, but you strongly gripping at a lower point and moving all the skin from the shaft up. Like I said, I can do this very easily as well when not all the erect, as you clearly are not in the photo.

Also, it seems that amount of what you have described as the 'mucuscal tissue' in your before and after erect pics is the same. If there was more skin stretched on the shaft, wouldn't it change the amount of stretch for the tissue? Perhaps the pictures just aren't clear, but it seems that in the erect state there is hardly a difference.

Also, I have not personally looked into this yet, but are you saying that there special glands or secretionary ducts in or under the skin on that area of the penis, and that they are capable of functioning post circumcision if only covered for an amount of time? What is the nature of their secretions (chemical composition, amount, ect.)? Please post a link to wherever you are getting this information from.

A better and more convcincing picture would be an a clearly erect shot where you are actually able to roll some restored foreskin over the glans without stretching all the skin from your shaft up. I would think that if you are able to move within your own restored skin during sex than it wouldn't take much [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to get some coverage over the glans in a fully erect state.
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Yes, he can yank his foreskin partially over his head when flacid or maybe semi flacid, bravo, all of us, even tightly circ'd guys, can do that.
 
Remember when [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] was a nuturing, supportive place, completely opposite of Thunder's? I do. Hopefully, we can get back to that soon.
 
Thats an awsome job kong! Didn't know a penis shrank that much without foreskin.
You must have gained atleast .2-.4" in extra skin?

Btw do you know any easy way to stretch the frenelum?
 
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Thanks for posting some pics Kong, but it doesn't appear that you have a normally functioning foreskin when erect from the pictures.

If I did, I would be "restored" not "restoring"...

I can see you have some loosness in the flaccid shots which I can only assume was not there before, but in your 'erect coverage' shots at the end you don't appear to be nearly as erect as your normal erect shots. Also, the pic where you are pulling the skin over the head you are clearly only semi-erect.

You would be correct in assuming that it wasn't there before... I'm "restoring" not "restored". Typical Swank.

When not fully hard I can easily do this as well, and it appears that you are pulling so hard that your pubic region is being tugged up the shaft. Under normal cicrcumstances I don't think this would happen during sex, and clearly it isn't the 'foreskin' area where this slack skin is coming from, but you strongly gripping at a lower point and moving all the skin from the shaft up. Like I said, I can do this very easily as well when not all the erect, as you clearly are not in the photo.

Good for you! If you'd like to restore, you would have a jumpstart on me. I have stated that "I am only begining to notice a little bit of what might be described as gliding. Not enough skin yet." I have also stated that "I was cut so tight that even after 10 months of skin expansion, I am only loosely circumcised now. I still have a long way to go." What's your point?

Also, it seems that amount of what you have described as the 'mucuscal tissue' in your before and after erect pics is the same. If there was more skin stretched on the shaft, wouldn't it change the amount of stretch for the tissue? Perhaps the pictures just aren't clear, but it seems that in the erect state there is hardly a difference.

The inner mucosal tissue doesn't grow as fast as normal shaft skin. PS-- that's what that is, too. I didn't make up that description. It's called "inner mucosal tissue". ;) Look it up!

Also, I have not personally looked into this yet, but are you saying that there special glands or secretionary ducts in or under the skin on that area of the penis, and that they are capable of functioning post circumcision if only covered for an amount of time? What is the nature of their secretions (chemical composition, amount, ect.)? Please post a link to wherever you are getting this information from.

Where do you think the smell and the moisture and smegma comes from? :s Come on, Swank, quit playing games. You know as much about this as I do. It is obvious. So why are you trying to make me "prove" that inner mucosal tissue exists? What's the real motivation here?

A better and more convcincing picture would be an a clearly erect shot where you are actually able to roll some restored foreskin over the glans without stretching all the skin from your shaft up. I would think that if you are able to move within your own restored skin during sex than it wouldn't take much [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to get some coverage over the glans in a fully erect state.

I'll get that for you...in about 10 more months! ;)
 
GhosT_DoGG said:
Thats an awsome job kong! Didn't know a penis shrank that much without foreskin.
You must have gained atleast .2-.4" in extra skin?

Btw do you know any easy way to stretch the frenelum?
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Thanks...I think... I was just trying to show my progress. Right now, I am getting a little coverage when I am cold and turtled up, but none when I am just normal flaccid. I am just "loosely circumcised" now, even after all the time I have invested. More and more, I am coming to understand just how tightly I was cut. All this stuff that I think is positive progress, everybody else seems to already have and take for granted. Well, I guess that's what FR is for. I am just glad to have gotten myself to "normal circumcision" and am now determined to keep it up until I am UN-circumcised.

That's why I get so hot when people try to run down FR. It can help men like me who really got butchered up, and they want to sweep it under the rug because it makes them feel bad about their weiners, somehow.

I remember before FR, when I thought sex was "no big deal" and very "Over-hyped". Now that my peccker is in alot better physical condition, I enjoy sex immensely and understand why it is such a big deal! :)

PS-- I don't have a frenelum. I know it can be stretched, but I have no personal advice for you, aside from doing some web searches for the info. My frenelum was completely removed during circumcision, and I'm kind of touchy about that subject.
 
kong1971 said:
Good for you! If you'd like to restore, you would have a jumpstart on me. I have stated that "I am only begining to notice a little bit of what might be described as gliding. Not enough skin yet." I have also stated that "I was cut so tight that even after 10 months of skin expansion, I am only loosely circumcised now. I still have a long way to go." What's your point?
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Ok, so you have stated that you were cut tighter than most and that you have made significant progress with FR, but that progress has only brought you up to the level of a REGULAR circumcision. That being the case, how do you have all these effects that us men who are regularly cut at birth don't have? For example, you claim that your shaft skin has the gliding effect during sex. No other guys with a loose circumcision claim to have that effect, only guys who are either uncut or fully restored. So basically, you boast about all these magical effects of your looser skin, but when called out on the fact that you really don't have a FR, just a looser version of your cut penis, you claim its BC all your work has only brought you from the level of tightly cut to regular cut. It's very inconsistent. You are incapable of using yourself as a burden of proof for the merits of being uncut, although you do it all the time.
 
Ditto with Skepdick. My point is, you are so far from restored I'm not sure how you can be experiencing all these amazing improvements when you clearly have no erect coverage whatsoever. Your whole point is "the foreskin makes a difference, and I know because I am restoring so I don't ahve to prove anything," but it's clear that you don't have anything close toa foreskin when erect. It's not a personal jab Kong, it's just obvious from the pictures. You're still a plain old circumcised man.

Also, smegma, as I understand it, is a combination of sweat, dead skin, dried semen, and other byproducts of the penile region in general. It is not something specially secreted by the tissues. The 'smell' of smegma is like any other body odor, just dead bacteria from sweat and skin. I'm just nor sure how this 'mucoscal tissue' actually comes into play or is physilogically different besides being more richly endowed with nerves. The whole head region of the penis is more sensitive in that respect.

You've more or less been arguing that you're having incredible, mind-blowing orgasms and making your wife sexually satisfied with a normal circumcision, whoo-hoo. Wouldn't you say it's a little misleading for you to speak from personal experience about how much better everything is when you're not cut, when in fact you clearly still are very much totally circumcised?

This may already be understood, but once again I think you've let your enthusiasm take over and you're living out a fantasy over the internet.
 
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Ditto with Skepdick. My point is, you are so far from restored I'm not sure how you can be experiencing all these amazing improvements when you clearly have no erect coverage whatsoever. Your whole point is "the foreskin makes a difference, and I know because I am restoring so I don't ahve to prove anything," but it's clear that you don't have anything close toa foreskin when erect. It's not a personal jab Kong, it's just obvious from the pictures. You're still a plain old circumcised man.

Also, smegma, as I understand it, is a combination of sweat, dead skin, dried semen, and other byproducts of the penile region in general. It is not something specially secreted by the tissues. The 'smell' of smegma is like any other body odor, just dead bacteria from sweat and skin. I'm just nor sure how this 'mucoscal tissue' actually comes into play or is physilogically different besides being more richly endowed with nerves. The whole head region of the penis is more sensitive in that respect.

You've more or less been arguing that you're having incredible, mind-blowing orgasms and making your wife sexually satisfied with a normal circumcision, whoo-hoo. Wouldn't you say it's a little misleading for you to speak from personal experience about how much better everything is when you're not cut, when in fact you clearly still are very much totally circumcised?

This may already be understood, but once again I think you've let your enthusiasm take over and you're living out a fantasy over the internet.
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I will admit, I have been debating the benefits of FR with Kong on and off for a number of months now but I do see that there are benefits from it. I am going to make a thread about it too.

"The Psychosomatic Benefits of Foreskin Restoration"
 
You guys are showing more of your true colors the more desperate you get to discredit me. I dub you "trolls". You have nothing good to say, only negative. I wish you all the best. I hope that you can find what you're looking for when your cocks are stretched out to ginormous proportions. It's obvious you're missing something, else you wouldn't spend so much time with me. There's so much more to sexuality and maleness than having the biggest cock ever. DLD knows this. That's why he put up this Foreskin Restoration forum. I really don't have the time or energy to debate you guys all the time. I've tried reason, throwing a tantrum, humor...oh well. Have a good life. I know that I will! :)
 
Feel free not to debate or respond. This, however, will in no way way disuade me from voicing my opinions on the benefits of FR and the negative consequences of circumcision.

The point here is to show that you can't really say what the advantages of a foreskin are from personal experience because you don't have one.

This fact, when considered with your tendency to claim that the foreskin or frenulum (you have alternated your claim) is functionally 'the male clitoris' and other statements completely unsupported by biology, demonstrates that most of what you have to say about circumcision and FR is straight off the internet and most likely from anti-circumcision, pro-FR sites that are what a reasonable person would describe as heavily biased.

I believe that your beliefs regarding FR and circumcision are over-zealous in that you clearly do not discriminate your sources of information on either matter so long as they support your point of view. Your perspective is very much swayed to one side of things, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with other people disagreeing and expressing their opinions. In this case the we are discussing the validity of your claims because, as you always do, you have made the topical debate into discussion about yourself by complaining that any doubts about your claims are personally motivated attacks.

This is an open forum and need not be dominated by the opinions of one person. I find your anger and attempts to silence opposing viewpoints to be silly and childish. If you are confidentin the quality of your information and intentions, then my objections should be of no consequence. This is obviously not the case as you have tried a variety of methods to stop people from questioning your claims on an open forum. This is not titled the "only listen to Kong's ideas about FR and circumcision" forum. The benefits of FR and the negatives of circumcision are up for debate.

That being said, I would label posts that are specifically insulting, profanity, escessive starting of threads, and repeated tantrums in which one threatens to leave on a regular basis in order to gather sympathy from strangers are all far more childish and 'trollish' behaviors than expressing disagreement with a person.

Your intense reactions to any challenge of your claims and subsequent unwillingness to debate them, instead favoring long, emotionally charged threads which you often divert away from the actual topic,show that you have a strong emotional stake in not only controlling the content of the forum, but that you are intensely threatened by the prospect of your claims not being taken seriously.

Also, though you have repeatedly suggested insecurity on the part of those questioning you, I think anybody can see that is not the case. You are correct that masculinity and sexuality is far more than just the penis - though one might find this hard to believe if they read your 'psuedo-male' thread - but this begs the question as to why you feel that the foreskin and issues related to the penis are so trenchant and care so deeply about controlling the content of the forum.

I believe you fail to realize that most women are probably ambivelent to the presence of a foreskin (or likely somewhat prejudiced against it in the states) and that it may not dramatically change your sex life because you have invested so much emotion into the benefits of FR. You are switched off to any possibility that it won't do exactly what you've told yourself it will, and will take any information or claim supporting your hopes as gospel.

Your constant assertion that anybody who questions you is probably sexually insecure is more or less ridiculous. I personally feel this is a case of the paranoid liar, in which those who lie constantly suspect others are never honest with them.

The above are mostly personal comments, but before you cry foul, please keep in mind that I have been called ignorant, insecure, snobby, ect. on multiple occasions with nothing more than some scattered profanity and emoticons as qualifiers. The above statements are my opinion and not expressed for spite, but clarity.
 
Feel free not to debate or respond. This, however, will in no way way disuade me from voicing my opinions on the benefits of FR and the negative consequences of circumcision.

I respect your opinion, swank. You are an intelligent man, and that is obvious. You have every right to voice your feelings. I'm glad you feel that circumcision is a useless and outdated practice. You still seem to feel that it is harmless and can have no negative effects, and if that makes you feel better, you keep on feeling that way. Honest. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. It is too much like trying to argue with my teenage son. You and my son are alot alike. You're both never wrong and any evidence to the contrary of your beliefs doesn't exist, so what's the point?

The point here is to show that you can't really say what the advantages of a foreskin are from personal experience because you don't have one.

Will you believe me when I am completely restored? Probably not. This is just another tactic to allow you to cling to your beliefs. Discount all opposing evidence. Either it doesn't count because of some silly technicality in your mind (nevermind the ten months of doing it and the progress I have made) or it doesn't exist (musocal tissue? What's that? No such thing!).

This fact, when considered with your tendency to claim that the foreskin or frenulum (you have alternated your claim) is functionally 'the male clitoris' and other statements completely unsupported by biology, demonstrates that most of what you have to say about circumcision and FR is straight off the internet and most likely from anti-circumcision, pro-FR sites that are what a reasonable person would describe as heavily biased.

You believe this, swank. I think it's pretty much accepted by everyone else. You only take this stance to oppose me. Hey, whatever gets you off.

I believe that your beliefs regarding FR and circumcision are over-zealous in that you clearly do not discriminate your sources of information on either matter so long as they support your point of view. Your perspective is very much swayed to one side of things, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with other people disagreeing and expressing their opinions. In this case the we are discussing the validity of your claims because, as you always do, you have made the topical debate into discussion about yourself by complaining that any doubts about your claims are personally motivated attacks.

All valid points. I am over-zealous. Whenever I am wrong, tho, I admit it and apologize and try to listen to other viewpoints. I don't think you can say the same. You keep banging on the same old drum, which is what makes this all so tedious.

This is an open forum and need not be dominated by the opinions of one person. I find your anger and attempts to silence opposing viewpoints to be silly and childish. If you are confidentin the quality of your information and intentions, then my objections should be of no consequence. This is obviously not the case as you have tried a variety of methods to stop people from questioning your claims on an open forum. This is not titled the "only listen to Kong's ideas about FR and circumcision" forum. The benefits of FR and the negatives of circumcision are up for debate.

Bang-bang-bang that drum. Old news. Get over it. I took in all the criticism and have made an effort to be more open-minded. I have tried to be less one-sided in my recent threads. You keep this up, swank, and you're going to start looking kind of weird and pathetic.

That being said, I would label posts that are specifically insulting, profanity, escessive starting of threads, and repeated tantrums in which one threatens to leave on a regular basis in order to gather sympathy from strangers are all far more childish and 'trollish' behaviors than expressing disagreement with a person.

Is that what you think? That I start too many threads. Dude, the more threads there are here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], the better this place shows up on search engines. The DLD opinion on this is to post as much as possible. It's my job!

Your intense reactions to any challenge of your claims and subsequent unwillingness to debate them, instead favoring long, emotionally charged threads which you often divert away from the actual topic,show that you have a strong emotional stake in not only controlling the content of the forum, but that you are intensely threatened by the prospect of your claims not being taken seriously.

Uh...duh. I believe in the benefits of FR. Everyone has something they believe in, whether it is anti-smoking, vegetarianism, staying healthy or having a giant dick. What's your point?

Also, though you have repeatedly suggested insecurity on the part of those questioning you, I think anybody can see that is not the case. You are correct that masculinity and sexuality is far more than just the penis - though one might find this hard to believe if they read your 'psuedo-male' thread - but this begs the question as to why you feel that the foreskin and issues related to the penis are so trenchant and care so deeply about controlling the content of the forum.

Your main point about me being too one-sided is that it might make someone feel bad about their penis. This suggests insecurity to me. Why would FR bother someone if they were secure in their cut-up manhood? Why would they even care what I thought? I also believe you're a little more concerned about controlling the content here than I am. I have only gotten angry when you have tried to censor me or discredit me outright. I love to read all the new threads and posts here. I would even enjoy reading your posts if they weren't so boring. Anti-FR or anti-kong is fine, but just make it interesting! You've been retyping the same paragraphs for the last two weeks. We get it! You don't believe in foreskins, foreskin restoration and you don't like kong. Can you maybe get a life now?

I believe you fail to realize that most women are probably ambivelent to the presence of a foreskin (or likely somewhat prejudiced against it in the states) and that it may not dramatically change your sex life because you have invested so much emotion into the benefits of FR. You are switched off to any possibility that it won't do exactly what you've told yourself it will, and will take any information or claim supporting your hopes as gospel.

I have already noted many positive benefits, but since I am not done restoring, my experiences are null and void in your mind, so why debate them with you? I am happy with what I have experienced so far. I do not believe they are psychosomatic. Most of what I have experienced involve the dekeratinization of the glans and better skin mobility. Not miraculous. Just real. And real nice.

Your constant assertion that anybody who questions you is probably sexually insecure is more or less ridiculous. I personally feel this is a case of the paranoid liar, in which those who lie constantly suspect others are never honest with them.

No, my assertion is this: "If you are so secure with your manhood, why does FR bother you?" If you are completely happy with your cut penis, why waste so much time here in the FR forum? AC and I have had words over it before, but you don't see him over here every day trying to disprove it... Now do you?

The above are mostly personal comments, but before you cry foul, please keep in mind that I have been called ignorant, insecure, snobby, ect. on multiple occasions with nothing more than some scattered profanity and emoticons as qualifiers. The above statements are my opinion and not expressed for spite, but clarity.

I hope I have clarified as well. I am not a white collar professional, so don't feel superior because I cuss and I'm not as smart as you. I have just as much right to express myself as you do, so if I think you're an elitist snob who gets his kicks by undermining the efforts of a few guys who want to improve themselves, I have every right to say so, and if I want to cuss a little too, well, we didn't all go to the glorious University of Bull-Shit Snobbery and I'm not always polite. That's just my First Amendment protected right of expression! :)
 
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All valid points. I am over-zealous. Whenever I am wrong, tho, I admit it and apologize and try to listen to other viewpoints. I don't think you can say the same. You keep banging on the same old drum, which is what makes this all so tedious.
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Well said!
 
Not much time to post (hey great news, you won't be forced to endure a boring post god forbid), but a few comments:

1) For Christ's sake! Kong, I explained to you in great detail in a response to your PM as well as numerous times in the threads, including one that I started titled "A Little More About My Perspective" as to why I feel your claims about FR and circumcision can be negative for men.

Notice I said your claims, not FR in general. You often seem to get that confused. FR, fine, whatever, do it if you like I have no problem with it. I DO have a problem with a lot of what you claim it will do as it's not based in much except what you've read on the internet. But I've explained all that, and the fact that you still summarize my views in a completely false manner leads me to believe that you are either trying to bother me, or that you have an extremely low level of reading comprehension.

2) When have you been quick to apologize? How are you so much more open-minded? Granted, I haven't heard you proclaiming that FR is going to release 2 inches of 'trapped penis' and other such amusing sales pitchs, but when did you become contrite and open to criticism? Last I saw you were sketching cartoons of people with their faces cut apart and writing posts dedicated to making fun of your detractors. Plus I have no doubt that if somebody didn't throw a monkey wrench into the propaganda machine around here every so often you'd still be claiming that FR will grow your penis and it's the real key to a woman's sexual pleasure, without hesitation.

3) What's with all this class distinction crap? You don't know what I do for a living, where I come from, what my financial situation is, or anything really. This "I'm just simple guy, a man of the people, just trying to share my folksy wisdom with other like-minded regular old men like myself" act is pretty lame. This isn't a discussion about class distinction, though you seem unable to stop yourself from bringing it up all the time. Let it go, our social status or bank accounts don't have much to do with FR and circumcision.

I'm not scolding you just for cursing, more for cursing at me. The fact is, a lot of the time your posts are childish and I just don't appreciate that in general. That's not snobbery, that's maturity. Name calling and chiding posts don't mean you're an average joe that all men can relate to, it means you're incapable of drumming up a decent response.
 
I thought i'd put my point in. i pretty much agree with Swank 100% and im scratching my head as to why you can't come around Kong.

Now i have a couple of small points to make, read them carefully Kong, try not to misinterpret or put words in my mouth.

1. You claim that FR creates more nerves by creating about 4 square inches of extra skin. FACT, you are not creating more nerves you are only stretching existing skin and existing nerves.

2. Your forskin in the before and after pics you've shown looks identical, you still look very tightly circ'd.

3. There are basically 2 types of circumcism, a full one (tight, like yours), and a half/regular one (still some loose skin but doesn't cover whole shaft like a real forskin). you claim to have gone from very tight to a regular forskin and on top of that you claim to have the benefits of a real forskin. the pics show your still at stage 1 (still very tight) so there is no way you could have the experiences you claim.

4. You must remember this very important point Kong, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A REAL FORSKIN. you will also never have any of the experiences of a real forskin. the most you could ever achieve is stretching your shaft over your knob.

5. When someone stumps you or proves you wrong, you seem to very quickly move away from the topic and often go to petty insults.

6. And most important of all, im willing to bet that most people, guy or girl, don't give a shit whether a guy has a forskin or not.
 
hahahahahaha!

There's that drum again!

You are not a crusader stopping a propaganda machine, Swank. We are not mindless drones who eat up everything Kong says. If YOU had some reading comprehension you would have noticed that when Kong posted his over-the-top ideas, that we told him it was too much. I guess you feel that 10,000 words are needed in every reply. But quite frankly you've made your point, and all you are going on about now is how Kong is lying about what he has experienced. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT??? He has nothing to gain if everyone started to restore. He isn't lying, others have experienced similar things. You are just too scared to try, and so you will never know.
 
Not much time to post (hey great news, you won't be forced to endure a boring post god forbid), but a few comments:

1) For Christ's sake! Kong, I explained to you in great detail in a response to your PM as well as numerous times in the threads, including one that I started titled "A Little More About My Perspective" as to why I feel your claims about FR and circumcision can be negative for men.

Notice I said your claims, not FR in general. You often seem to get that confused. FR, fine, whatever, do it if you like I have no problem with it. I DO have a problem with a lot of what you claim it will do as it's not based in much except what you've read on the internet. But I've explained all that, and the fact that you still summarize my views in a completely false manner leads me to believe that you are either trying to bother me, or that you have an extremely low level of reading comprehension.

I haven't said a word about circumcised men being "psuedo-male" or "sexual cripples" since. Gee whiz, whaddaya want? Blood? I really am trying to be less zealous, but you can't seem to let it go. I guess it really got under your skin, huh? Does my new motto "Make it Bigger! Make it Better!" bother you, too? If so, I don't know what to tell you except avoid my posts. You can't turn me into something I'm not.

2) When have you been quick to apologize? How are you so much more open-minded? Granted, I haven't heard you proclaiming that FR is going to release 2 inches of 'trapped penis' and other such amusing sales pitchs, but when did you become contrite and open to criticism? Last I saw you were sketching cartoons of people with their faces cut apart and writing posts dedicated to making fun of your detractors. Plus I have no doubt that if somebody didn't throw a monkey wrench into the propaganda machine around here every so often you'd still be claiming that FR will grow your penis and it's the real key to a woman's sexual pleasure, without hesitation.

If you read those posts with an open mind, you would have seen that I made fun of myself just as much as you.

PS-- there is such a thing as "trapped penis". Look it up, guys.

3) What's with all this class distinction crap? You don't know what I do for a living, where I come from, what my financial situation is, or anything really. This "I'm just simple guy, a man of the people, just trying to share my folksy wisdom with other like-minded regular old men like myself" act is pretty lame. This isn't a discussion about class distinction, though you seem unable to stop yourself from bringing it up all the time. Let it go, our social status or bank accounts don't have much to do with FR and circumcision.

Not used to being talked to like that? Hey, you're the one who brought up all the college educated, big time job stuff, not me. You're also the one who denies all evidence except for "peer reviewed medical studies". I don't trust that kind of high-brow crap. If 1000 regular guys tell me the same thing, I tend to believe it more than what the "authorities" tell me I should think. Doing what we're told is what got us into this genital mutilation insanity in the first place. If only a few regular guys had said, "WTF? That's bullshit!!!" in the 1800's when a few quack doctors said it would cure masturbation induced madness, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. Wanna know what kind of kookiness was going on in the medical industry when they came up with the wonder cure of circumcision, rent "The Road to Wellness", starring Mathew Broderick. They actually thought circumcision and bran cereal fixed everything! Now, we're supposed to TRUST them? Ha, get a brain.

I'm not scolding you just for cursing, more for cursing at me. The fact is, a lot of the time your posts are childish and I just don't appreciate that in general. That's not snobbery, that's maturity. Name calling and chiding posts don't mean you're an average joe that all men can relate to, it means you're incapable of drumming up a decent response.

Yep, you're right. I can't think of anything to say to that. Guess you're right, gawdam it!
 
I thought i'd put my point in. i pretty much agree with Swank 100% and im scratching my head as to why you can't come around Kong.

Come around to what?

Now i have a couple of small points to make, read them carefully Kong, try not to misinterpret or put words in my mouth.

1. You claim that FR creates more nerves by creating about 4 square inches of extra skin. FACT, you are not creating more nerves you are only stretching existing skin and existing nerves.

I humbly suBathmateit that you are incorrect about this fact. If we were, in fact, only stretching skin, you would be correct in that the nerves would be more widely distributed and the skin less sensitive. In actuality, FR employs the "skin expansion" effect to grow NEW skin, not stretch out the old skin. The NEW skin in fact contains newly generated nerves. If you don't wanna believe, tho, you don't wanna believe. Skin expansion is well documented and studied by real doctors, and employed to create new skin for plastic surgery, grafts, etc. Hell, Russian doctors even grew a "penis" on a boy's arm using skin expansion when his was exploded off of him in a tragic peeing/electricity accident. It's the truth! The news story is right here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

2. Your forskin in the before and after pics you've shown looks identical, you still look very tightly circ'd.

I'm still restoring. I'm also not sure what you expected. Even uncut men normally have an exposed glans when erect. Were you expecting a big floppy sweatsock of skin hanging off the end? :D It's bigger. It looks healthier (to me anyway). The skin feels less tight to me, but that really doesn't come across in a photo. Not being defensive. Just trying to address this issue. I don't expect anyone to look at those pictures and say, "OH my god, I see the light! Praise the lord, I'm gonna do it right now!" I only wanted you all to see that, Yep, he talks about it getting bigger and its bigger, he talks about the skin being looser, and it looks looser, not as tight and shiny. I can't show you that it feels better even if I shot a adult entertainment and posted it here. Swank would just say I was faking it anyway! :D

3. There are basically 2 types of circumcism, a full one (tight, like yours), and a half/regular one (still some loose skin but doesn't cover whole shaft like a real forskin). you claim to have gone from very tight to a regular forskin and on top of that you claim to have the benefits of a real forskin. the pics show your still at stage 1 (still very tight) so there is no way you could have the experiences you claim.

I claim increased sensitivity from dekeratinization of the glans...from keeping it covered and protected, nothing to do with increased amount of skin. I claim a size increase. It's about an inch to an inch and a half bigger. I claim that there seems to be more sensation there...I'm not sure if it is from having more new nerves or a bigger dick or what, but it is there. My orgasms are better, which could be psychosomatic, but I don't think so. I also claim increased skin mobility-- hard to show in a picture. You can believe it or not. I don't care. I have said that I really don't notice the gliding, although something is starting to develope along those lines and I am curious to see what it becomes, although I have noticed sex feeling softer and more sensual...not as much friction, I guess. If all that sounds "miraculous" to you, then I don't know what to tell you. I am glad to have gotten each one of those benefits from FR. It's a big deal to me. I'm not trying to dupe anyone. What's so sinister about saying, "Try it and see for yourself...?" Unless you're scared to try it.

4. You must remember this very important point Kong, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A REAL FORSKIN. you will also never have any of the experiences of a real forskin. the most you could ever achieve is stretching your shaft over your knob.

:D You guys are so supportive! Hey, guess what, a big dick doesn't make you more of a man, either! I read a journal written by a man who was circumcised in adulthood. He had it done to please his mate, who though uncut men were icky. Well, they broke up and he restored his foreskin cause he missed it. In this journal, he said that uncut sex was a 10, cut sex a 5 and restored sex about a 7. I'm going for it because 7 is my lucky number!

5. When someone stumps you or proves you wrong, you seem to very quickly move away from the topic and often go to petty insults.

Hey, fuck you then! Just kidding. I think you guys are exaggerating this a little. Most of the time I am pretty open-minded and helpful and positive, but you would get tired of defending yourself every day, too, wouldn't you? I think the point is that you guys would rather I shut up about it and stop making you feel insecure about your penis, but that is just my humble opinion, and it is not meant to offend anyone. I AM still entitled to my opinion here, ain't I?

6. And most important of all, im willing to bet that most people, guy or girl, don't give a shit whether a guy has a forskin or not.

You're right. You should love the person you're with, not the body parts. Making it bigger and better is just icing on the cake! :)
 
you've actually done a pretty good job at answering all my points.

when it comes to swank repeatedly beating that drum, im sure he'll agree with me when i say that he has to constantly repeat himself because you often miss the point, or misinterpret, or just avoid the question.

pretty much what i can gather from this is that you (Kong) may have over exagerrated your benefits from FR and got a little to excited when really all you should have said is your sensitivity has slightly increased. because of the exagerration and over enthusiasm, Swank would've got the impression that your claiming huge things that are impossible for you to claim at this stage.

you seem to be very suseptable to placebos Kong, be aware of that.
 
I don't always miss the point, shithead. I usually just don't agree.

You guys are kinda putting a little more into what I say than what I'm really saying. Take gliding, for instance. I brought it up, said my wife noticed and liked it, but that I couldn't really tell much difference yet. I said that I was noticing something different, but wasn't too sure about it yet, although it was nice. Sikdogg then questions gliding, so I explain the official FR line on gliding. Suddenly, it is a big debate because someone gets upset about it, and then it is pinned on me, with everyone saying how I am claiming to be fully restored and am gliding now. I try to clarify and then I am being defensive and over-exagerated everything, when all I originally stated was that I was begining to notice something new... It's actually kind of funny. It's like gossip. I will originally say something like "I notice less irritation to the glans and better flaccid hang." By the time it comes back around to me, I'm claiming FR gives you psychic powers and miraculous healing benefits and everybody starts verbally spanking me. You know...whatever! If you don't want your foreskin back, don't read the FR section.

The benefits are real. Alot more men than me have experienced them. I get several PMs a week from guys telling me about what they are doing and how much they appreciate me taking all the shit around here to get the message out. You can't tell us not to be too excited about the benefits, because it's like telling someone they can't like ice cream TOO much.

It's also a very subjective thing, and some of them seem like a very big deal to me. You may not agree with me on how big a deal something is, but you can't tell me I'm being over-excited, because I am excited, and that is my subjective experience with it.

All of this consternation really makes me feel like some of you guys are threatened by FR. The root of this, I think, is that we restorers believe being uncut is better than being cut, and we want back what we can get back. We all know we can't get everything back, so taunting us for it is pretty useless and kind of mean, and really shows how threatening it is to your egos.

This is all opinion.

It is not meant to hurt anyone's feelings or make them feel upset about their weiners.
 
Ah, classic Kong. Let me restate this as the gist I more or less get from it.

"I never said anything that could possibly be construed as false. Nothing I've ever claimed is disputable. Hey, I never even mentioned gliding actually. I've always made it crystal clear in all posts that what I say is just stuff I read on FR and anti-circ sites on the internet, and that I have no restored foreskin to speak of. Why does everybody attack me? I'm helping men, they know the sacrfices I make and the pain I endure to enlighten them with my views. I'm just a humble public servant. It's foolish to criticize anything I say, it's above criticism really, if you read carefully. You are all insecure and threatened by FR. I don't know what I base this on except that I know you disagree with me, so you're insecure. Why else would a person criticize me? Oh wait, you're not criticizing me, you're criticizing all people who are into FR, because what I say about FR and circumcision is necessarily the absolute truth on this forum. Rally against these insecure bastards! They're calling us fools!"

Fair play, I believe I was honored with a fictional quote in another thread.

Anybody's feelings actually hurt, or otherwise feeling offended by FR? Anybody? Has the concept of restoring a foreskin ever made somebody insecure? Anybody out there? Why do you insist on this Kong? Why do you figure that FR itself bothers people?

From the start, what I have objected to is your claims about FR, not FR itself. How hard is that to understand? How many dozens of times does this need to be restated? It's not a particularly abstract or difficult concept.

What you say about FR is not the be-all end-all of FR. Criticizing what you say about it and what FR actually is are two very different things.

Criticism of what Kong says does not equal criticism or feelings on FR in general. Got it?

Quit trying to link what anyone says about your claims and posting to FR in general to drum up support from people not reading closely. It's clear to me that you need others to validate your posts in order to feel confident, but trying to make out all those who criticize what you have to say as also railing against FR in general is pretty lame and painfully obvious.

Talk about beating the same old drum . . . That's right everybody, you heard it here. You don't agree with Kong, you're just insecure. Now I see the logic.
 
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you just can never say "ok, you were right", you can't even bring yourself to say "ok, you were kinda right" or even "you had one right point".

you claimed more than what you possibly could've had.

each time i write that i make it progressivly simpler for you to understand, but i still get the same beat-around-the-bush responces and the usual trying to change the topic, as in this case saying that im threatened by FR, i don't know where to begin about saying how dumb that is.

i don't know what much more to say, this convo is boring and i can't be bothered writing in it any more, but your probably gonna write back some post that'll completely piss me off coz your still missing the point and i'll end up beating the drum again that you seem to never hear.
 
Swank, I'm not sure what will make you happy except possibly my complete and utter nuclear destruction. :D You are starting to weird me out. If you don't want to read my posts, skip them. What else do you want me to do? I'm just the way I am. I feel the way I feel. You're not even in that conversation. That was between me and shithead. You need to find a new bone to gnaw on, my friend. I'm actually laughing as I write this. You are WAY too fucking obsessed with what I write here!
 
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you just can never say "ok, you were right", you can't even bring yourself to say "ok, you were kinda right" or even "you had one right point".

you claimed more than what you possibly could've had.

each time i write that i make it progressivly simpler for you to understand, but i still get the same beat-around-the-bush responces and the usual trying to change the topic, as in this case saying that im threatened by FR, i don't know where to begin about saying how dumb that is.

i don't know what much more to say, this convo is boring and i can't be bothered writing in it any more, but your probably gonna write back some post that'll completely piss me off coz your still missing the point and i'll end up beating the drum again that you seem to never hear.
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Well... I say alot of shit. I don't want to piss you off, tho. I respect your opinion. Maybe I am not clear enough when I write on what the possible advanced benefits are according to more completely restored men and what I am currently experiencing. If I do that, it is not on purpose.

I guess I just don't understand why "some guys" (not you personally) seem to invest so much time in FR discussion when they profess no interest in it. For example, I don't hang or care anything about hanging, so I don't visit the hanging forum very often. At the same time, I do not go to the hanging forum and nitpick still's posts. It just seems kind of weird to me. I wasn't talking about you, though, and if you took it that way, I apologize. I have been told repeatedly that my FR hype makes guys feel bad about their weiners and that I should chill down some on it, so that's why I think some men are threatened by it. Not you personally, tho.

This criticism also seems somewhat personal, as German Stallion recently came out with a few threads on the benefits he experienced, and no one started nitpicking them. In fact, they were pretty much ignored by all the guys who haunt the FR forum and try to debunk it. Ahhhh! He switched sides! NOOOOO!

I don't know. I'm like you. This convo is pretty boring. YOU think I am exaggerating my claims. I do get excited and hyped about small changes and progress, but most of the guys who are doing it understand. After doing FR 24/7 for months and months, you see some loose skin and you're like "FUCKING YEAH! THERE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL! WHOOOOOOO!"

Maybe I explained it. Maybe you think I'm lying some more. I don't give a rats ass. I understand what you're telling me. I'm just not going to stop being me.
 
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and here we have Kongs cheesy attempt to lessen his "shooting down" with humor and cheap shots at Swank.
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"Shooting down?"

Okaaaaayyyy...you guys are getting really fucking weird.

I thought swank's post was completely off in left field and actually pretty pathetic. I think swank has gotten very personally involved with this. I think swank has a narcissistic complex and a really, really big ego. I also think he is a frustrated EX-restorer who has issues because he does not have enough inner mucosal tissue to stretch. He knows an AWFUL lot about restoring, doesn't he? I also think he's a complete ass whose stuck on himself because he thinks his giant cock makes him a sexual expert, and he can't handle FR because he basically can't do it with such a lack of inner mucosal tissue and it makes him jealous.

:)

Have a nice day!
 
Hmm, don't care so much if you think it's weird Kong. I post just as much for other people to read as you. Don't care for it? Either don't read it, or ignore it. Either is fine with me, my post is still up there.

And besides, you're the one who has embarked on a, ahem, "crusade."

I've explained why I post over and over again as well, including in great detail when I answered your PM. I'm not going to restate it, there's already a thread on why I post.
 
That's cool with me, swank. Post to your heart's content. You say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. You have your opinion and I have mine. We don't have to like what each other think and say, but we have to put up with it. Hey, that's the American way!
 
Kong is not the only one here and elsewhere that believes in the bennefits of FR. I have been restoring for approximately 9 mounths. Started out slowly and got more serious about it as time went on.

After reading "Sex As Nature Intended It"(could not put it down once I started), I am more inspired than ever to accomplish this. Fact is , I don't even care if the book is a total freakin lie. It's given me the inspiration to go all the way....TEC.

ya baby....KOT

qd
 
Whoa, uh, okay. I know so much about FR from researching it on the internet after I first heard you claim that it makes your penis bigger, satisfies women more, ect. It sounded fishy, turns out it is, and so the debating started.

How would the amount of "mucuscal tissue" (which I heard for the first time the other day when you mentioned it) affect anybody's efforts to elongate shaft skin over the head? I don't really follow here. Does this mean some men can't do FR?

Talk about weird and desperate . . . for once I don't have much to say except that was pretty wild, might wanna take a little breather because your rage is obvious.

One thing though, and I've said it about a million times, but that goes for everything I have to post lately, I don't much care what you think of me personally. Doesn't have any bearing on if I think what you have to say is true or not.

I could be the biggest egomaniacal scoundral to ever walk the earth, but that doesn't mean that my criticisms and observations aren't accurate.

Also, I don't consider myself a sexual expert. What qualifies you Kong? That you're married and read about stuff on the internet? And if your reply is "Well I never said I was," then why should your opinion be the least bit more valid than mine? Oh yeah, appearently I have a big ego and look down on everybody, I'm a complete moron, I'm horribly insecure, and now we can add that I'm a "frustrated ex-restorer" with jealousy issues to the list. I think Kong may also announce that I'm also a pederast and kleptomaniac in due time.

Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.
 
Yeah, it's kinda like the movie "shallow hal". Hal believes his gal is beautiful, but his friend doesn't see it so he tries to make Hal "snap out of it" and "bring him to reality"... because of his own issues.
 
"That's cool with me, swank. Post to your heart's content. You say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say. You have your opinion and I have mine. We don't have to like what each other think and say, but we have to put up with it. Hey, that's the American way!"

Uh, maybe I'm having selective retroactive memory here, but didn't I say that like a hundred times the first time around?
 
Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.

No, that would be "obsessing over them". :D

Still laughing, man!
 
Uh, maybe I'm having selective retroactive memory here, but didn't I say that like a hundred times the first time around?

Selective memory's a symptom of your narcissism complex. ;)
 
Kong, your wrong, why the hell can't you just accept it, and yes Swank your taking it very very far, but christ i can understand coz Kong just doesn't get it.
 
Whoa, uh, okay. I know so much about FR from researching it on the internet after I first heard you claim that it makes your penis bigger, satisfies women more, ect. It sounded fishy, turns out it is, and so the debating started.

Oh, so you got your info on the net, too? How conveeeeenient!

How would the amount of "mucuscal tissue" (which I heard for the first time the other day when you mentioned it) affect anybody's efforts to elongate shaft skin over the head? I don't really follow here. Does this mean some men can't do FR?

There are some types of circumcision that make restoration extremely difficult, if not impossible. You, for instance, could grow the skin to cover the glans, but without the mucosal tissue, you would not get the "wet" head and the dekeratinization without using some kind of artificial lubricant. You didn't know that? Oh, I forgot. You don't believe in "inner mucosal tissue"!

Talk about weird and desperate . . . for once I don't have much to say except that was pretty wild, might wanna take a little breather because your rage is obvious.

Nope, not mad. Just like you, I have the right to say whatever I think! :)

One thing though, and I've said it about a million times, but that goes for everything I have to post lately, I don't much care what you think of me personally. Doesn't have any bearing on if I think what you have to say is true or not.

Same here!

I could be the biggest egomaniacal scoundral to ever walk the earth, but that doesn't mean that my criticisms and observations aren't accurate.

Doesn't mean they're accurate, either!

Also, I don't consider myself a sexual expert. What qualifies you Kong? That you're married and read about stuff on the internet? And if your reply is "Well I never said I was," then why should your opinion be the least bit more valid than mine? Oh yeah, appearently I have a big ego and look down on everybody, I'm a complete moron, I'm horribly insecure, and now we can add that I'm a "frustrated ex-restorer" with jealousy issues to the list. I think Kong may also announce that I'm also a pederast and kleptomaniac in due time.

Before I get mad, I need to look up "pederast". Did Tsung Lo Han say that?

Hmm, guess doubting Kong's claims makes you quite the headcase around these parts.

No, I don't think AC or shithead or sikdogg are headcases. Just you.
 
Shithead said:
Kong, your wrong, why the hell can't you just accept it, and yes Swank your taking it very very far, but christ i can understand coz Kong just doesn't get it.
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Okay, I don't get it. I get accused of being wrong about so much stuff I guess I don't know what YOU'RE saying I'm wrong about this time. The aggression issue? The trapped penis issue? The gliding issue? FR in general? Please number and post what you feel I am wrong about. Will that somehow make you feel better? I'm not being dense or an ass, but I am now at a loss, because I really thought I was addressing the issues you brought up. Is there something you are beating around the bush about and not saying outright?
 
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