Bib could you help please?

[bluenun]

I have just started hanging with a Bib starter and am having some difficulty getting the set up right.

First I wrap with a piece of bandage (tight but I am still able to pee), as I do this I keep the foreskin pulled back.
Then I attach the hanger and add the weight.

What then happens is the hanger moves towards my Glans and the bandage bunches up which hurts my Corona.

I can't work out how to avoid this problem so any help is appreciated.

 

[DLD]

There is a ton of good advice in THIS THREAD. This was very helpful for me, being a novice, I learned allot.

 

[bluenun]

Thanks DLD I read that thread in May so it will be a good idea to read it again now.

 

[Bib]

bluenun,

>I have just started hanging with a Bib starter and am having some difficulty getting the set up right.<

We will need to go step by step to try and work out the problems. Always remember, each guy is different, so what works for one may not work for you. It may take a combination of techniques.

>First I wrap with a piece of bandage (tight but I am still able to pee), as I do this I keep the foreskin pulled back.
Then I attach the hanger and add the weight.<

I will need a lot more information, but let's get started. What kind of wrap are you using? Is it elastic, but not bulky? I assume you are uncut. Are you pulling the foreskin all the way back? I am cut, but over the years, reading of the experiences of uncut guys, they say NOT to pull the foreskin back very much at all.

>What then happens is the hanger moves towards my Glans and the bandage bunches up which hurts my Corona.<

OK, on the surface, I would say you are not tightening the hanger enough, not grasping the internal structures. You are just grabbing skin, and it is sliding over the internal structures. But it could have something to do with pulling your foreskin back also.

SS4jelq is the expert on uncut Bib hanging. I hope he will come around and give some insight also.

Anyway, give as much information as possible, and I will try to help. What are you dimensions, and what hanger settings are you using? How much weight are you trying to hang? Where do you begin your wrap, and where do you attach the hanger? Anything else you can think of will help. Also, if you can post some pics, or email them to me, that will help.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

bluenun,

>I have just started hanging with a Bib starter and am having some difficulty getting the set up right.<

We will need to go step by step to try and work out the problems. Always remember, each guy is different, so what works for one may not work for you. It may take a combination of techniques.

>First I wrap with a piece of bandage (tight but I am still able to pee), as I do this I keep the foreskin pulled back.
Then I attach the hanger and add the weight.<

I will need a lot more information, but let's get started. What kind of wrap are you using? Is it elastic, but not bulky? I assume you are uncut. Are you pulling the foreskin all the way back? I am cut, but over the years, reading of the experiences of uncut guys, they say NOT to pull the foreskin back very much at all.

>What then happens is the hanger moves towards my Glans and the bandage bunches up which hurts my Corona.<

OK, on the surface, I would say you are not tightening the hanger enough, not grasping the internal structures. You are just grabbing skin, and it is sliding over the internal structures. But it could have something to do with pulling your foreskin back also.

SS4jelq is the expert on uncut Bib hanging. I hope he will come around and give some insight also.

Anyway, give as much information as possible, and I will try to help. What are you dimensions, and what hanger settings are you using? How much weight are you trying to hang? Where do you begin your wrap, and where do you attach the hanger? Anything else you can think of will help. Also, if you can post some pics, or email them to me, that will help.

Bigger

I appreciate your help Bib.

I am using an elasticated bandage (20 x 2 inches) and begin to wrap from 1/4 inch below the Glans.
I have moved up from hanging 2.2lbs to 4.4lbs to 6.6lbs.
My dimensions are 4 1/2 inch flaccid hang, 7 bpel, 5 1/4 eg.

You might think this is odd but I do not know if I am cut or not. My ex girlfriends have always asked me if I am so I assume they think I am. I asked my Mother a few weeks back and she said no I have not been circumcised.
Looking at this thread http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=516 where SWM is wrapping, my foreskin looks similar in length, maybe a bit longer.

After having read your reply I have just wrapped without pulling my foreskin back and attached the hanger, added 6.6 lbs and it feels totally different to hang this way, much more comfortable. The hanger is staying in position and not sliding towards my Glans. I am not sure if it is my foreskin that is taking the weight or my ligs?

If you look at picture 6 in the above link, that is what my penis looks like now whilst hanging, you can still see the end of my Glans.

If my ligs are taking the strain then it could be problem solved, thanks.

I go on holiday tomorrow so will reply when I get back and will also post some pictures in good light if it might help.

 

[Bib]

bluenun,

>I am using an elasticated bandage (20 x 2 inches) and begin to wrap from 1/4 inch below the Glans.<

No. You need to start the wrap at least one inch behind the glans, whether you are cut or uncut. Now, this concerns a lot of your technique, but it is true: You will HAVE to stretch skin first, whether cut or uncut, in order to later be able to fit the new internal structure gains. So if you are stretching skin, don't worry about it.

>I have moved up from hanging 2.2lbs to 4.4lbs to 6.6lbs.
My dimensions are 4 1/2 inch flaccid hang, 7 bpel, 5 1/4 eg.<

At those weights, if you are wrapping and attaching properly, the hanger should not slide down much if any.

>After having read your reply I have just wrapped without pulling my foreskin back and attached the hanger, added 6.6 lbs and it feels totally different to hang this way, much more comfortable. The hanger is staying in position and not sliding towards my Glans. I am not sure if it is my foreskin that is taking the weight or my ligs?<

Just beginning, the skin should take most if not all the weight. The key is divide and conquer. Stretch the skin first over the course of a couple weeks. Begin your wrap closer to the base, and attach the hanger accordingly. Then after two weeks, you can move the wrap and hanger closer to the head, and should get a good internal structure stretch. But always start the wrap at least one inch behind the head.

>I go on holiday tomorrow so will reply when I get back and will also post some pictures in good light if it might help.<

That will be great.

Bigger

 

[Matt]

I also hang with the starter and I am also uncut and I find the best way for me to hang is to have a small amount of blood iin front of the hanger, but only in the cc's not the glans) I find I can easily hang with 12 pounds with no build up of pressure or discomfort of any kind.
Remember, Im talking about a very small amount that helps to "anchor" the hanger.
With out this, no matter what I do, my hanger slides badly, probably due to my tapered shape.

 

[bluenun]

Bib,

First day back hanging after my break.
I started the wrap 1 inch behind the Glans and attached the weight without pulling the foreskin back.

The hanger is not slipping at all which I am very happy about.

Tonight it does feel like I am stretching skin at the base of my penis but I am not going to worry about it as I understand it is necessary.

Thanks.

Matt,

Thanks for your comment too.

 

[bluenun]

The slipping problem is sorted but I now have another problem that I am trying to sort out.

Whilst hanging my penis below the hanger, mainly the Glans (not the whole penis) is turning about 75-80 degrees.
I cannot work out why it is doing this. I can put up with it as long as it is not dangerous by putting pressure on the Dorsal nerve.

 

[Bib]

bluenun,

>Whilst hanging my penis below the hanger, mainly the Glans (not the whole penis) is turning about 75-80 degrees. I cannot work out why it is doing this. I can put up with it as long as it is not dangerous by putting pressure on the Dorsal nerve.<

That is a hell of a twist. If the hanger is contacting the back of the head, then it is bad. You will need to fix it, work it out, before continuing. Or if not using much weight, it should be ok.

There are a million things to try and it seems about all the fixes work eventually.

The first thing I would do is play with the bottom gap. Usually twisters do not have as large a CS, bottom chamber, and the two big chambers cause the twist by sliding past each other, one way or the other.

If you get the bottom gap bigger it becomes more round. Then place your shaft as low as possible in the shaft well and hold it down as you tighten. The CS should be forced down into the bottom teeth, and help keep it straight.

Next, I would try head expansion. Wrap as you would normally, but on the last wrap or so, make it a little tighter so that the head will swell. A little BTB jelqing will help inflate the head. Then, put on the rice sock for about 10-15 minutes with the head swollen. After the warm up and head expansion, loosen the last pass or two of the wrap, let the head go down (or gently push the wrap forward to make it go down), secure the wrap, and attach the hanger. Be sure there is not too much extra blood in the head. You should find the bottom chamber helps more in holding the hanger steady.

The above fixed twisting for me. If it does not work for you, come back and we will explore other options.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bigger thanks again for your response, it is appreciated. Hanging is not quite as straightforward as I had first imagined. But I do feel as though I am making progress and learning the more I do.

Since reading your reply 4 days ago this is what I have done.

I was originally hanging with the bottom gap at maximum so tried bringing in the bottom gap some. I then placed my shaft as low as possible in the shaft well as suggested. (I previously had not been pushing down on my shaft as I thightened the hanger)
This with thightening the hanger a little tighter than I used to has pretty much eliminated the problem.
Sometimes the first set is fine and I have no twisting and the my next set I start to twist, so what I do is re-wrap nice and tight before hanging another set and it mostly sorts the problem out.

The only other things I am not sure about at the moment are,
is it ok to tighten the hanger as tight as possible? I ask because obviously the tighter it is the less likely it is to slip. But is there a limit to how tight the hanger should be tightened? Could I cause damage to my shaft by over tightening?

Also if the hanger does slip, is it ok for it to rest on the corona of the Glans? (when I am not twisted).
I ask this as there is not a lot of room as my turkey neck keeps me from attaching the hanger too far back.

Thanks again for your time.

 

[Bib]

blue,

>The only other things I am not sure about at the moment are,
is it ok to tighten the hanger as tight as possible?<

Yes. Actually, you will find the tighter the hanger, the better blood flow, etc. As long as you are not using too much wrap.

>I ask because obviously the tighter it is the less likely it is to slip. But is there a limit to how tight the hanger should be tightened? Could I cause damage to my shaft by over tightening?<

I hate to say you could never tighten enough to hurt yourself. That is asking for trouble. I am sure that there is a situation where you could overtighten, but I do not know what it is. If you tighten so much, that it begins to really hurt, then back off.

>Also if the hanger does slip, is it ok for it to rest on the corona of the Glans? (when I am not twisted).<

No. It should rest on the shoulders (shaft) of the head. Not the coronal ridge itself.

>I ask this as there is not a lot of room as my turkey neck keeps me from attaching the hanger too far back.<

Wrap that turkey neck so it is out of the way, and put the hanger back where it should be.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bib, thanks again for your time. I have had no internet access since the evening of the 25th hence the late reply.

I am not having any problem with twisting anymore, so thanks.

The past few days I have changed from wrapping with bandage (because it was uncomfortable on my skin after hanging a couple of sets) to a stretchy T shirt meatrial, about 10 inches in length. This I find much more comfortable.

It is good to know that it is difficult to over tighten the hanger.

I am trying to get familiar with the terms used when it comes to the penis and have an Anatomy book in front of me but it only shows the Corona not the shoulders (of the penis). So exscuse my ignorance.

When attaching the hanger to my penis shaft over my foreskin the hanger will move forward a little during hanging and come to rest where my Glans begin. I assume this is the shoulders (of my penis)?

As for the turkey neck, I'll start wrapping before hanging in future.

 

[Bib]

blue,

>I am trying to get familiar with the terms used when it comes to the penis and have an Anatomy book in front of me but it only shows the Corona not the shoulders (of the penis). So exscuse my ignorance.<

The 'shoulders' of the head is a term that I made up. When the hanger is attached sufficiently far back, and tightened enough to grasp the internal structures, these structures of the shaft are bunched as weight or stress is applied, and pushed toward the head. I made up the term 'shoulders' to refer to this portion of the shaft.

The front of the hanger should NOT ride on the corona, but rather on this area of bunched shaft.

>When attaching the hanger to my penis shaft over my foreskin the hanger will move forward a little during hanging and come to rest where my Glans begin. I assume this is the shoulders (of my penis)?<

Hard to tell from your description. Look at the hanger. You see the front thumbs? These should 'lock' into the shoulders, on both sides of the head, fairly well back from the head. The top of the hanger should not come in contact with the glans. Now, you will have to do a little detective work, cause the head will be covered by foreskin and possibly wrap. But you should be able to judge accurately where the glans begins.

If it is too close, then move your wrap back a bit, and the attachment point back a bit. Also, you may need to grasp the head and pull outward as you are tightening the hanger. This will give a better chance of the hanger grasping the internal structures of the shaft.

Good stuff.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Thanks for all your help Bib.

Unfortuantely I have another couple of big lumpy Thromboses so will have to stop all Penis Enlargement.
They start at the base, one each side of my Penis. It seems my foreskin just does not like being stretched. I was being careful and using heat before during and after hanging.

 

[Bib]

blue,

>Unfortuantely I have another couple of big lumpy Thromboses so will have to stop all Penis Enlargement. They start at the base, one each side of my Penis. It seems my foreskin just does not like being stretched. I was being careful and using heat before during and after hanging.<

Are you sure they are veins at the base? Are they more in the skin surface, or under the surface? It is not too common to hear about T veins with hanging.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bigger,

I cannot be 100% sure but they feel like the ones I had in May.
They start at the base and carry on up the length of the shaft.
They feel like tight strings under the skin with lumps along their length.

Bluenun

 

[Bib]

blue,

How many are there? Do you take one baby aspirin a day? Can you see them at all? Any color to them?

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bigger,

I have 2 thrombosed veins. The one on the left side starts at the base of the penis (plus however far back inside my pubic area it goes) and is quite thick (3/8-1/4 inch) for a couple of inches then there is a lump and after that the thrombosed vein branches off onto 2 smaller lumpy veins.

The one on the right side of my penis is also thicker at the base until it hits a bigger lump (where lots of veins meet) then it branches off onto smaller thrombosed veins.

There is no colour to them except when I pull the skin over them tighter, I can see blue where the lumps are. They are a little sore when massaged.

I am taking 80mg of Aspirin 3 times a day, 200mg of Ibuprofen twice a day. Heatpad twice a day with massage.

 

[Bib]

Blue,

Sounds like you know what you are about. Except:

>I am taking 80mg of Aspirin 3 times a day, 200mg of Ibuprofen twice a day<

That is an awful lot of painkiller there. Also, how are you spacing the aspirin and Ibuprofen? I thought they were supposed to be at least eight hours apart?

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bigger,

Thanks for your words of caution. You are right.

I went to the chemist to buy some more Aspirin and Ibuprofen and the lady behind the counter told me that they should not be taken together and that I should choose one or the other. So I am taking 80mg of Aspirin at 8 am, 3pm and 10pm.

All the best, I appreciate all the help you have given me in the past.

Bluenun

 

[Bib]

Blue,

No problem. I hope you are able to come back and get back to hanging again. It may just be a question of conditioning of the vessels and other soft tissues.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Bigger,

I would really like to hang again in the future as I want to add 1 inch to the length of my penis.
What would be the best way to condition the vessels and other soft tissues?

When I first started hangin in May 2004 I was hanging between 3 and 4 hours a day with 2.2 lbs then moved up to 3lbs a week later and then 4.2 lbs.
I developed a thrombosis in my dorsal vein and a few other little ones but do not know what the cause was as I was pumping and clamping at the time.

I believed clamping was the problem for me so will never do that again.

This time around when I started Penis Enlargement in September 2004 I just pumped at low hg for 3 x 8 minute sets for 4 weeks then decided to start hanging again.

I decided to start off with 1 set a day then 2 and eventually 4 x 15 minute sets a day, 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening working my way up from 4.4 to 6.6 and 8.8 lbs.

I would be interested to know the best way to condition my vessels which seem to be my limiting factor.

Bluenun

 

[Bib]

blue,

>What would be the best way to condition the vessels and other soft tissues?<

The only things I know of to help prevent injury are going up slowly in weight, and using heat. I always used heat for 10-20 minutes before starting, and then for the first ten minutes of the first half of my sets.

>This time around when I started Penis Enlargement in September 2004 I just pumped at low hg for 3 x 8 minute sets for 4 weeks then decided to start hanging again.

I decided to start off with 1 set a day then 2 and eventually 4 x 15 minute sets a day, 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening working my way up from 4.4 to 6.6 and 8.8 lbs.<

If you are getting good stretches at those weights, then you need to surely only move up one lb or so at a time, and no more than one lb per week. That is the only way I know to condition the soft tissues, by slowly moving up in weight.

Also, do not try to add sets too quickly. Add no more than one set per week until you reach the amount of hang time available. Then begin moving up in weight if needed. Do not move up in time and weight at the same time.

The vast majority of problems I have read about have come from moving up too quickly in weight and/or time.

>I would be interested to know the best way to condition my vessels which seem to be my limiting factor.<

Moving up slowly, the use of heat, and light jelqing at 30-70% erection.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Hi Bigger,

I have healed up and been pumping daily at low HG for 2 weeks now.

When I stretch manually BTC or SD I can feel some vessels (not previously thrombosed) in my foreskin tighten up but this does not happen when I stretch up.

My lot is about 7:30 so I have started hanging OTS. Starting off with 2 x 5 minutes sets.
Using a heat pad before and during hanging.
Also been warming up with 10% erect bends and jelquing.

I have attached a picture of my set up which is a squat stand behind my chair.
I attach one end of the strap to my BIB hanger and hang it over the squat stand.

Two concerns I have so far are, when the weight is attached and hanging over the stand it does not feel anywhere near as heavy as it would were I hanging BTC or SD.
I guess this is because there is friction where the strap meets the stand.
I am not sure whether there is anything I can do about it or just add more weight.
Been using 8lbs.

The second concern is that with the weight attached, if I feel the underside of my penis it appears there is no tension at all (I thought this is where it would be tight if I was pulling out the inner penis)
but the front of my penis is tight all the way down to and including the fundiform ligament.

Your views would be appreciated.

 

[Bib]

bluenun,

>When I stretch manually BTC or SD I can feel some vessels (not previously thrombosed) in my foreskin tighten up but this does not happen when I stretch up.<

Are you positive these are vessels? By their very nature, blood vessels are very elastic. They stretch easily to several times their natural length. Generally, the reason for a Thrombosis is a spot will become injured in the vesssel, plaque will be laid down to heal the injury, blood flow is reduced or stopped, and a clot will form at the injury site stopping all blood flow.

I would be interested in further description of what you are seeing and feeling.

>Also been warming up with 10% erect bends and jelquing.<

I don't get this. How can you warm up with erect bends and jelqing? They are fairly stressful activities at the best of times. Why not just warm up with a rice sock or heating pad? I do not recommend any girth work, no jelqing and surely no erect bends before hanging. Just warm up and hang. If you want to do girth work at the same time as length work, then be sure to do it after hanging, but I do not recommend that either.

I do recommend light jelqing between sets, without unwrapping, and at the end of the hanging session after unwrapping. This is to help return full circulation.

>I have attached a picture of my set up which is a squat stand behind my chair.
I attach one end of the strap to my BIB hanger and hang it over the squat stand.<

Looks good. Are you able to do other activities while hanging? Are you able to relax?

>Two concerns I have so far are, when the weight is attached and hanging over the stand it does not feel anywhere near as heavy as it would were I hanging BTC or SD.
I guess this is because there is friction where the strap meets the stand.
I am not sure whether there is anything I can do about it or just add more weight.
Been using 8lbs.<

Never go by the numbers on the plates, except to know and record how much you are doing. Go by how the weight feels. Friction can work both ways. It can impede the stress to your unit, or if you pull back a little while hanging, it can increase the stress.

Further, the stresses are different, and the conditioning is diffrent for each angle of hang. Ex.: You may work up to 20 lbs BTC, but when you switch to OTS, you should not start at that same 20 lbs. Start as a beginner. Then slowly work up in weight to find your Max weight at the new angle.

Realize that for most of the angles of hang, you are stressing at least some different UNCONDITIONED tissues.

>The second concern is that with the weight attached, if I feel the underside of my penis it appears there is no tension at all (I thought this is where it would be tight if I was pulling out the inner penis)
but the front of my penis is tight all the way down to and including the fundiform ligament.<

Do you mean the CS vs the two CC's? Many times, if not most of the time, my CS just went along for the ride. You will probably find that the tunica surrounding the two major chambers, CCs, which includes where they join, the septum, are much more substantial than the thinner tunica surrounding the CS.

Just as with other softer tissues, the nerves, blood vessels, skin, smooth muscle, the thinner, less substantial tunica of the CS is fairly easy to stretch, grow.

The CS has to be more pliable, looser than the CCs in order for ejaculate to pass through the urethra while mantaining an erection. Increased blood pressure pressing against the tough tunica is what produces an erection. The two major chambers provide most, if not all, of this turgidity.

Just curious, how do you feel the tightness all the way down to your fund lig? How is stress at the upper angles putting stress on the fund lig.

Good stuff.

Bigger

 

[bluenun]

Thanks for your input.
I think it will be a bit confusing if I answer within the above post/text, so will do it separately.

I am not positive what I am feeling are vessels.
My very first Thrombosed vessel (May 04) was caused by clamping. It is hardly surprising really as I was clamping very tight. It believe it was a large vein that had lumps running up it's length, there were also other smaller ones branching off the larger one that felt like a tight cord or string.
They main ones took 13 weeks to clear, a couple still remain to this day.

As you may remember I started back up in September 04 pumping and then hanging. I then found two more of what I think were thrombosed veins (I could be wrong) in November. I assumed they were caused by the stretching of my foreskin. I stopped all Penis Enlargement and they cleared up in about 7 weeks.

Now when I pull my penis SD even with my foreskin pulled back I can feel thin, hard lengths of something. I had assumed they were blood vessels. What else could they be, lymphatic vessels? I do not know what other structures are there.
If I pull SD with some of the foreskin the hard lengths feel a bit thicker and I can feel more of them.
They start at the base and run the almost to the top of my foreskin.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant I had been warming up before pumping with a heat-pad for 10 minutes and then bends done almost flaccid, 10% erection. In between pumping sets I jelq at low erection levels.

Before hanging I just use a heat-pad.

Yes I am able to use the PC and type while I am hanging OTS. With the height of the stand the strap just touches my shoulder which is not a problem.
I would not say that I am fully relaxed yet but hopefully this will come in time.

Tomorrow I am going to try some rope that is thinner than the strap and has a shinier surface, then reduce the weight and see how that is.

Yes the CS appears not to be stressed, the skin also feels loose there while hanging.
The CC's are tight along with the skin.

Thanks for the explanation about the chambers and the tunica, it makes a lot of sense.

As for how is my Fundiform ligament being stressed while hanging OTS, I am not sure. It surprised me as I did not expect this angle to hit my Ligaments.
I will try to look into this more when I hang tomorrow.

Bluenun