One thing I've never truly figured out the right way to do was my scheduling. I've done length routines one day then girth the next with no rest. Also done everything every day no rest. Then I've done everything one day rest next. No particular schedule ever seemed to give more or less results. Maybe length one day then girth the next was the best but I can't truly remember. I never stay at it for more than 3 months at a time before I get discouraged. I was reading Red's old post about the anatomy of the ligaments and he said there's no real reason to do length every day since your ligs don't have enough time to start to heal and make growth. Has this proven true for you? What formula seems to work best for you?
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It depends how hard you train. You don't want to go overboard and risk an injury that will sideline you and put off gains.
The results you get will be everything that you put into the equation, and the equation is the multiple facets in PE, such as focus, training intensity, duration, exercises, etc. the list goes on.
If you train your ligs just hard enough not to cause an injury, then you might want to take a day or two off from that particular exercise like Red suggested in that thread you are talking about and perhaps the next day do something else that targets other growth like kegels for example. Now if you trained the ligs at a moderate or lower intensity there will be less of that "good damage" so it would still be strong enough for a follow up the next day if you wanted to build upon that "good damage". At some point I think the body will adapt to the moderate damage and learn to heal that type of intensity a lot quicker, but it could be argued this is a "safer" route.
I know this from fitness training where in the beginning of a personal routine it would take days for my body to heal the hypertrophy and soreness. Now if I did that same routine it would heal in hours. This is why I progressed to more sets or reps, or addition of exercises or a change somewhere, maybe super-sets etc. These changes and/or increases in intensity brought about hypertrophy again which would last for days again and spurred more growth.
So these are the variations you will have to consider and experiment with. Gains can be obtained from both. Which one is more effective at growth rate is another great question. But there are still other variables which affect growth rate as well. For example a guy can do a few simple exercises consistently and gain an inch in length in a year which is outstanding. But maybe he could have gained even more if he had included more ADS or another addition or tweak? Another guy may have done the same thing but gained less. Maybe his technique and intensity was off? Etc.
So basically it's an equation and as soon as you start working on it and figuring the elements out you will start gaining in one way or another.
The results you get will be everything that you put into the equation, and the equation is the multiple facets in PE, such as focus, training intensity, duration, exercises, etc. the list goes on.
If you train your ligs just hard enough not to cause an injury, then you might want to take a day or two off from that particular exercise like Red suggested in that thread you are talking about and perhaps the next day do something else that targets other growth like kegels for example. Now if you trained the ligs at a moderate or lower intensity there will be less of that "good damage" so it would still be strong enough for a follow up the next day if you wanted to build upon that "good damage". At some point I think the body will adapt to the moderate damage and learn to heal that type of intensity a lot quicker, but it could be argued this is a "safer" route.
I know this from fitness training where in the beginning of a personal routine it would take days for my body to heal the hypertrophy and soreness. Now if I did that same routine it would heal in hours. This is why I progressed to more sets or reps, or addition of exercises or a change somewhere, maybe super-sets etc. These changes and/or increases in intensity brought about hypertrophy again which would last for days again and spurred more growth.
So these are the variations you will have to consider and experiment with. Gains can be obtained from both. Which one is more effective at growth rate is another great question. But there are still other variables which affect growth rate as well. For example a guy can do a few simple exercises consistently and gain an inch in length in a year which is outstanding. But maybe he could have gained even more if he had included more ADS or another addition or tweak? Another guy may have done the same thing but gained less. Maybe his technique and intensity was off? Etc.
So basically it's an equation and as soon as you start working on it and figuring the elements out you will start gaining in one way or another.
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With that said I choose to train anywhere between moderate to high intensity. So I never train low and never too crazy. I try to do PE every day, although sometimes once or twice a month I have to take a few days off due to work obligations.
I apply this same philosophy to my fitness training as well. I like to work on different stuff with proper form, technique, focus, and good intensity being the top priorities. But these days I don't want to over-exert myself or put so much energy into a session. I like to leave some fuel in the tank to study and work on other things that evening as well. One of them being getting back on these forums and absorbing more PE info like a true mad scientist muahahahaha!
I apply this same philosophy to my fitness training as well. I like to work on different stuff with proper form, technique, focus, and good intensity being the top priorities. But these days I don't want to over-exert myself or put so much energy into a session. I like to leave some fuel in the tank to study and work on other things that evening as well. One of them being getting back on these forums and absorbing more PE info like a true mad scientist muahahahaha!
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When I started at 5.5 Bpel I took rests 2 day on 1 off. Then on month 3 I did 5 days on 2 off. After 6 months I gained an inch with rest. After the 6th month I exercised every day for 6 months, no rest. I gained another inch and I was doing high intensity.
Rest isn't needed if you've overcome the beginner phase.
Rest isn't needed if you've overcome the beginner phase.
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Hey kyomoto, you started at 5.5 Bpel thet is where i am at from there to about 6 Bpel, i have peyronies disease and i have been stretching every day for 28 days. i really didn't want to take any rest days.
What is your size now? how long have you been doing P.E and do you think i should take this approach with some rest?
What is your size now? how long have you been doing P.E and do you think i should take this approach with some rest?
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Mlathem;754137 said:
I'm 7.5 Bpel. If you're really new to PE yes take rest. But from what I understand it doesn't matter if you do it every day in my experience.
I've been doing PE for 15 months consistently but after that inconsistently then consistently again for a total of 4 years. My 2 inches came from the first year though.
What I need to know from you is a few things in order to help you out. First when you are erect is your foreskin tight? What's your routine like? Do you do erect bends exercise? Do you warm up?
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wow congrats with the 2 inches. When I am erect yes my foreskin is really tight I am circumcised, my Routine has consisted of only stretching:
(4 sets)20 secs straight down , 20 secs down to the right,
(2 set)20 secs straight out, 20 secs straight out to the right,
{I have modified the noobie routine for stretching because i have plaque on my left side so i don't do any of the left side stretches and i double up on the straight down stretches, i have done this everyday for 30 days and recently have been doing it 2 to 3 times a day- the routine above, I am on day 31. I do not do any erect bends, i rarely ever get any erections even morning erections anymore because of all the plaque.
I don't warm up.
(4 sets)20 secs straight down , 20 secs down to the right,
(2 set)20 secs straight out, 20 secs straight out to the right,
{I have modified the noobie routine for stretching because i have plaque on my left side so i don't do any of the left side stretches and i double up on the straight down stretches, i have done this everyday for 30 days and recently have been doing it 2 to 3 times a day- the routine above, I am on day 31. I do not do any erect bends, i rarely ever get any erections even morning erections anymore because of all the plaque.
I don't warm up.
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Okay I recommend stretching your foreskin so that it takes away some pain away from being erect.
Whenever you can get erect without pain if possible try to bend your penis in the opposite direction of your curvature. I know it may not be possible to do right now but keep it in mind.
Always and I mean always use ointment or a lotion that's suitable for your foreskin to take care of the plaque. There are some safe oils out there that I would try and so research on to help your foreskin get moisturized. And when you do your exercise make sure your hands are clean as to prevent further infections and make sure your hands are also moisturized and have lotion. I don't know what your hands are like and they might be dry rough and perhaps may have calluses. That will irritate the foreskin as well and will not let the plaque heal thoroughly. So keep that in mind as well.
As far as exercises I do recommend erect bends if possible and stretching your foreskin. Since it's been a month congrats on completing your first consistent month. Bump up the seconds from 20 to 30 seconds just to up the intensity for this coming month
Whenever you can get erect without pain if possible try to bend your penis in the opposite direction of your curvature. I know it may not be possible to do right now but keep it in mind.
Always and I mean always use ointment or a lotion that's suitable for your foreskin to take care of the plaque. There are some safe oils out there that I would try and so research on to help your foreskin get moisturized. And when you do your exercise make sure your hands are clean as to prevent further infections and make sure your hands are also moisturized and have lotion. I don't know what your hands are like and they might be dry rough and perhaps may have calluses. That will irritate the foreskin as well and will not let the plaque heal thoroughly. So keep that in mind as well.
As far as exercises I do recommend erect bends if possible and stretching your foreskin. Since it's been a month congrats on completing your first consistent month. Bump up the seconds from 20 to 30 seconds just to up the intensity for this coming month
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Resting is really personalized and may different from others. I have always trained 7 days on no days off. I think this type of schedule promotes a more habitual program. For me days off can quickly turn into weeks off so it is better for me to be a daily trainer. I also believe that the penis only needs 24 hours of recovery before it is trained again. Some guys either do not have the time for this or it may be too difficult at first. In this case I recommend deducting one day at a time until the perfect routine is created. i.e. 6 on 1 off, 5 on 2 off.
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doublelongdaddy;754198 said:
Yes the penis does not need recovery like skeletal muscles. Micro tears are the target when growing the penis. They will heal faster but that's why it takes a while for the penis to grow Because you're stretching them at very small fractions at a time
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kyomoto;754272 said:
Exactly. I never took rest days ever. I trained everyday, all day! I wanted to make gains as fat as possible and I was willing to do whatever to make it happen. Today I can say it was worth the effort!
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doublelongdaddy;754296 said:
I think this is the approach most men should take. Going hard in the beginning with no rest. Because I can imagine people giving up when they're so close to growing but because it takes a while they are disappointed.
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kyomoto;754329 said:
I did not really know about rest days, injuries or any other precaution when I started. I just went hog wild, every day I trained and I tried all day. I made the fastest gains made in my first 6 months, 2" in length and a half inch in girth. I trained this way for years, never missing a day.
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doublelongdaddy;754198 said:
I can relate. I took a day off because my hands were too sore from a super intense session. It felt weird since I've been going nonstop for a few weeks. After taking the day off, I almost considered taking another day off because I'm horrible with staying consistent. That's what's kept me from having an exercise routine or ever getting permanent PE results. I'm definitely going to need to keep at it daily.
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kyomoto;754403 said:
That changed to 28 days in the 80 and early 90's and now they are saying 33 days. I can attest to 28 day programs never worked for me. 30 days is about as long as I can go without masturbating. Maybe if I would make it to 33 I could nix the habit. Well one day at a time.
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