Is Fluid Build Up the Biggest Enemy of Girth?

I've had the bathmate for over two years, tried supersetting with SSJ, jelqing beforehand, and jelqing afterwards but I haven't gained anything, length or girth wise, despite going 5-6 days a week. The thing is, since PE has given me some extra skin, no matter what I do I get a slight donut effect, even if it's just 150 jelqs. Should I keep cutting back until I find a routine that gives me no fluid at all, even if it takes away some temp expansion? I'm currently doing 150 jelqs and just under 10 minutes in the bathmate and still getting some fluid buildup.

i too also have extra skin like u from the BM, but after the fluid retention and swelling subsides the next morning, and now a few months deep into the BM i see that i have noticeably more girth and EQ

one thing i always do after my BM routine is 5-10mins of firegoat rolls and downward Jelq just to evenly distribute the swelling towards the base and also to counter any possibility of the baseball bat effect. when i don't do it enough is when usually the swelling travels towards the upper shaft when i'm flaccid with a CR on after the workout

i have to ask have u always done BM for 10mins per day? how many sets and set duration have u usually done these past two years?

when i first started BM i was using it with water for about 3 sets of 10mins per day

now i would still recommend pumping with water because it's even more pressure but after that i did the BM dry with no water because of a practicality issue with renovating and cleaning my place. at that point i went very hardcore at 3-4 sets of 18mins, totalling just under or over an hour, but that's just me i don't know if it's for everyone or if most ppl can handle that because it was a bit painful and uncomfortable

then i switched it up to 6 sets of 6mins with 1min breaks, and i was getting very similar swelling with less time and it was more bearable

now i'm trying out dropsets, meaning each set the duration progressively lowers, so for example it's 1 set 18mins, 2nd 12mins, 3rd 6mins, similar to a calisthenics method of training where they use weights for the first set and then remove the weights for the second set. i just felt i needed to change up the BM routine when it gets too predictable

and also maybe look into dieting. at least for me i feel it has helped in my gains. for me it's quality over quantity. i don't eat much but when i do it's very good quality and specifically selected based on what i think/feel i need. i rarely ever eat breakfast. usually just a great dinner, occasionally lunch as well. but this is just me, i'm not sure if it's good for others, although it may be hard in the beginning it could get better and turn out to be a better diet once acclimated

10 minutes in the BathMate is far too long for most, for many men fluid begins to build at around the 5 minute mark. This is why I created the 5x5x3 routine to combat fluid retention and to cause greater tissue expansion. 5 minutes in the tube followed by 5 minutes of jelqing/SlowSquashJelqing x 3 usually brings the best results. If you are still seeing fluid you can shorten your sets even more and increase them as time allows.

doublelongdaddy;744040 said:

10 minutes in the BathMate is far too long for most, for many men fluid begins to build at around the 5 minute mark. This is why I created the 5x5x3 routine to combat fluid retention and to cause greater tissue expansion. 5 minutes in the tube followed by 5 minutes of jelqing/SlowSquashJelqing x 3 usually brings the best results. If you are still seeing fluid you can shorten your sets even more and increase them as time allows.

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5x5x3 is the key 👍👍👍

As many have stated; 5x5x3 is the way to go! Variation of it at least. I have had good workouts with twice in the pump. Sometimes one might be pressed for time and doing something is better than doing nothing!

As for jelqing, perhaps your grip is a bit too strong. But really, try to lessen the time in BM and do the Slow Squash Jelqs between the pumps. Slight FR can occur, sometimes your body just does it. Avoiding the big doughnut effect is for the best, so FR can be "forgiven" but stay in the limits.
In my experience the very low FR is easily massaged away and doesn't linger on for a long time.

Just keep at it, vary your workouts!

beardedbaldy;744071 said:

5x5x3 is the key 👍👍👍

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^^^This is what I am doing and it works pretty well. I have done 6x5x3 and this worked well also

I've done 5x5x3 before, that wasn't the point of the post. The post was about whether or not the focus of girth work should be on having no fluid build up even more so then getting crazy expansion. Since I've done a million different routines with jelqing, SSJ, and bathmate but have not made any gains. Appreciate the responses though

if you've had no gains after a million different routines, you're clearly not using enough intensity. it's possible that your elasticity is more stubborn, or your ligaments lack flexibility, but with enough force and time it's physically impossible not to gain. review the newbie routine, explore SRT, read threads from proven gainers...PE is not rocket science, but it will test your discipline, determination and dedication. if what you're doing isn't working, it's time to knuckle-down and impose your will upon your d!ck

Once again, not the point of the thread, I'm not new at this at all, I don't lack dedication, and I'm not asking for a routine. It's very simple, I'm just wondering if having fluid retention can hinder gains, that's it.

liljohn5;744098 said:

I've done 5x5x3 before, that wasn't the point of the post. The post was about whether or not the focus of girth work should be on having no fluid build up even more so then getting crazy expansion. Since I've done a million different routines with jelqing, SSJ, and bathmate but have not made any gains. Appreciate the responses though

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Are you experiencing FR during every pumping session? One of the other members (redzulu) here suggested using a condom during a pumping session to help with FR

liljohn5;744112 said:

Once again, not the point of the thread, I'm not new at this at all, I don't lack dedication, and I'm not asking for a routine. It's very simple, I'm just wondering if having fluid retention can hinder gains, that's it.

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IMO, FR would not stop you from making gains. If you are not having any issues from the FR then I would say press on

Alright thanks man, I wanted to get some opinions on that first because the next step is to just go ridiculously hard. Just wanted make sure that wouldn't be counterintuitive

'ridiculously hard' sounds overboard. i think u need to just go high intensity in certain exercises. maybe the 5x5x3 method isn't for u in terms of gains. read my post above, it's very important.

it's possible that the method and number of sets in which ur pumping is not enough so refer to my post above b/c no doubt i am making gains

also do not underestimate the diet aspect i wrote about.

and for starters check out my routine and progress thread in that section, along wit rocky's routine thread. we both have somewhat similar methods, but the differences also have their own benefits imo. he has an 'overpacking' method and i cycle between 6 sets of 6mins of very high to max intensity and the other method i do now is dropsets of max intensity

u will see more about it above and in the threads, i think both are effective at this point and may be worth for u to try, i mean u may need to experiment. the reason i never really did 5x3 b/c when i first tried it in the beginning it just didn't feel like enough or the right effective method, i thought that there was much more ways and creativity to use the pump

but hell there are plenty of other effective girth exercises on here, most that don't even require any or much equipment. i think if u focus on the exercises and put in the work with good enough intensity u should see 'some' substantial results at least every few months. now imagine adding those little results up over the course of 1-2 years for starters

In some way fluid retention can be good as to the stretching of the skin to take up faster gains but that also depends first on the Tunica being stretched. I would not go for this as a method of gaining though, it is far wiser to go with the 5x5x3 method to cause great expansion with little retention.

liljohn5;744123 said:

Alright thanks man, I wanted to get some opinions on that first because the next step is to just go ridiculously hard. Just wanted make sure that wouldn't be counterintuitive

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No problem Lilj.

liljohn5 said:

I've had the bathmate for over two years, tried supersetting with SSJ, jelqing beforehand, and jelqing afterwards but I haven't gained anything, length or girth wise, despite going 5-6 days a week. The thing is, since PE has given me some extra skin, no matter what I do I get a slight donut effect, even if it's just 150 jelqs. Should I keep cutting back until I find a routine that gives me no fluid at all, even if it takes away some temp expansion? I'm currently doing 150 jelqs and just under 10 minutes in the bathmate and still getting some fluid buildup.

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I'm pumping dry with the mityvac. Each pumping set lasts for 5 mins. I don't go pass the 5hg on gauge. I get only half inch of expansion and no fluid retention at all.

When I was using the bathmate, I was getting up to 1 inch or some times .75 of temporary expansion with fluid retention. And I was pumping at extreme pressure and for 10mins each. But I suffered from Sciatica nerve pain due to the extreme pressure.