Juggers said:
Jesus lived to fulfill the prophecies of the old testament.
Yes, and
uphold all of the OT cruelties (stoning disobedient children, beating slaves, etc, etc, etc) as well. I'm sure you wouldn't want to argue
this, as you wouldn't want to disagree with the carpenter, would you?
Your taking what the bible states out of cont-ex and putting it rather bluntly...God cannot die, he is spirit.
Out of context? In all my experience, that seems to be the consensus from Christians when their Holy Book is shown to have errors in it. If you say I'm taking a verse out of context, you're practically admitting it's fallibe and open to interpretation. If it's infallible, it's impossible for fallible humans to take something perfect out of context.
However, God can send himself down to earth as a Son and die as a human...think about it, he is God.
You're correct, sure he can, but that would mean he desires blood sacrifices then. Because if that's the case, sometime he decided to commit cannibalism on himself. Certain sects of Christianity cannot even come to agreement about whether Jesus was God or if he was the son, Jesus even seems confused.
The fact is, Jesus' death on the cross, however unnecessary it may seem to you is the only thing that pleases God enough to have mercy on you.
Just a little tip here- You should probably stop talking for your God. If I adulated him, I sure as hell wouldn't want to tick him off, he's one mean S.O.B.
Let me ask you something Juggers, seriously, do you believe in Santa, the Easter bunny, Allah?
Furthermore, the crucifixion was the worst punisHydromaxent he could have gotten from the people at that time...
Agreed. But there's no proof of a crucifixian. Throughout all of the Roman records, there's no proof, hell there's not even proof of a Jesus. If one cannot prove it, you shouldn't base an entire religion off of baseless dogma.
symbolically, our sins were crucified on the cross with him so that we would be without sin if we believed in him.
Wow, what a waste of time this little stunt was, sin is still plentiful in the world. This "God" fellow is a real screwup, as he must of fell asleep considering the sin issue, as he could have made us perfect from the start, then he wouldn't have to kill all of humanity except 9 people in the biggest wholesale genocide ever in the flood.
Its all really in the bible...
See, there's my problem. Don't get me wrong, the bible is quite a page turner. I have read it in it's entirety. But the bible simply defies all common sense and reason, it's just an article of faith. It has nothing to do with rationality. I would think you need faith in order to buy into an incoherent, contradictory collection of books. I take the bible about as seriously as a tabloid.
why he died, why God sent him. I dont know if that helped you at all but this topic is really hard to discuss.
Yea, yea, I apologize if I come off kinda rude, but I just get on edge when people spew all this stuff and all they have to offer is a book full of contradictions. In ending my part, I used to be a Christian, reading the bible turned me into an athiest. I refuse to follow the rest of the herd and believe in something which I know is in question, it's being dishonest with yourself. I refuse to suBathmateit to the Christian superstition, as it seems all who do not believe will be tortured and killed.