Juggers said:
Is your argument against God's character, or the fact that he cannot exist?
Well, I am familiar with the bible, and in it he is depicted as a lying, murderous, pimp. In it he kills more than Hitler, Stalin, and Napolean combined. I think Christians are worshipping the wrong fictional charcater here, it should be Eve or Judas, maybe even Satan. I'm tired of Christians painting a rosy picture of God, and those who are apprenticed on scripture soak it all up.
If the God of the bible is attributed the omnimax attributes, he cannot exist.
And why discuss the crucifixion if you don't believe in God?
In order to show how frivolous, ridiculous the notion of a savage, barbaric, crucifixian is.
Is it another way to prove that he doesn't exist, and if so how can you prove he doesn't exist?
I cannot, but the burden of proof is on the Christians- they are making the positive assertion here. They are making a direct claim about reality; it affects everyone. If they said this "I
believe God exists" that's fine, their opinions aren't up for debate. For instance, if I was taken aboard a UFO, would you just believe me, or would you want proof? The same if I said I had Superman's powers. Of course you wouldn't just believe me without seeing me do anything that's unique to his powers. You would want to see me fly or lift a house or something. Why is it any different when an athiest asks for proof of your God? And now that we're on the subject, the disciples needed eye-witness proof of the carpenter's ressurection, Paul needed an encounter with Jesus, Thomas needed to touch him, but skeptisicm was fine then, but since it's been a sure-fire ticket to hell.
We as a people have a right to believe in whatever we want.
De acuerdo. I'm not arguing that. You're right.
The Bible was written by men who were inspired by the spirit of God, a book of instruction on how we should live to please God.
The bible was written for uneducated people, and it was written by
man, not a
God. Whether you say it was inspired by God is irrelevant. I could say I was inspired by God to write a book about how Superman exists, and be right in saying that, for "I was inspired by God." Why should we live to please him? Does he have an ego problem?
If you don't want to beleive in God or the bible, what do you plan on achieving by defying it all? Why not just live your life day by day, doing what you feel is right in your own eyes until you die?
Well, like it or not it affects my life even if I have nothing to do with God. Our currency has his name, our President makes desicions based upon conversations he thinks he has with him; I think someone who believes in mystical bullshit is severley underequipped to dictate morality to us.
You seem to be picking out parts of the bible that show Gods wrath, and yes, he does have wrath.
You don't have to tell me, he condones slavery, actually so does Jesus, and God orders rapes and killings, he's nothing but a mafia-headman or clan wizard.
And God does love people even if they turn away from him,
Ahh, so tiring. Chapter, verse? Scripture based, or your opinion?
if he didn't he wouldn't have sent Jesus to be crucified for us,
For us? What exactly did the nailing of a carpenter to a log of wood solvent? Sin? Ha, there is more than enough so called sin in the world? And if Jesus was omniscient it wasn't much of a sacrifice, he had to know his dad would jumpstart him with a divine defibulator.
And if God created everything, he introduced sin into the world, so in all reality, he was forced to kill his son or himself to save his creation from a mistake he's responsible for. Not a rocket scientist is he?
your taking things from the old testament when the people were in a different covenant with God.
Are there 2 different God's here?
True to a point, but remember, he came to uphold the Mosaic law, not abolish it.
Its easy to find verses in the bible that show God destroying a city, and saying "well, look, hes evil look what he did". You don't understand God is just and will punish the wicked. Man punishes man for things that he has done wrong, does that make us evil? Stop looking at one side of the pancake my friend.
Ok, I'll tell ya what, how's about you show me where the bible represents reality. And what logic tells you that your God loves anything at all? How do you even know it has such an emotion? Do you have any proof that your diety sees anything as evil or good or care about humans at all?
