kyomoto;665574 said:
My head has gotten smaller ever since 6 months of PE and I don't know how to make it big again. Hopefully kegels will help.

Kegels are the tried and true way to give your head the most expansion. This expansion comes from a set of strong muscles that with a simple flex will expand the head to its maximum size. I can hold a Kegel for a long period of time.
 
kyomoto;665574 said:
My head has gotten smaller ever since 6 months of PE and I don't know how to make it big again. Hopefully kegels will help.

What exercises have you been doing? My head only gets fuller with subsequent training bro
 
templnite;665653 said:
What exercises have you been doing? My head only gets fuller with subsequent training bro

Just stretches man. My head got smaller when I've just been doing regular stretching
 
doublelongdaddy;665614 said:
Kegels are the tried and true way to give your head the most expansion. This expansion comes from a set of strong muscles that with a simple flex will expand the head to its maximum size. I can hold a Kegel for a long period of time.

Through kegeling, I see this behavior as well (be it a temporary expansion). The only way I've been able to hold it is if I kegel while I pump. Doing this over the 30-40 min pump session allows for over expansion. I know someone mentioned it might be fluid retention (and it may be), but is that really bad? I know it's bad for the shaft as no real gains are being made due to the fluid being drawn into the area between the outer layer of skin and the tunica, but the head has no such structure. Its just all gland with some nerves and urethra. The fluid and/or blood has nowhere to go but to expand the tissue itself. I could be wrong; this is just how I'm looking at it. Please refute if you see differently.
 
MoreThanLuck;665818 said:
Through kegeling, I see this behavior as well (be it a temporary expansion). The only way I've been able to hold it is if I kegel while I pump. Doing this over the 30-40 min pump session allows for over expansion. I know someone mentioned it might be fluid retention (and it may be), but is that really bad? I know it's bad for the shaft as no real gains are being made due to the fluid being drawn into the area between the outer layer of skin and the tunica, but the head has no such structure. Its just all gland with some nerves and urethra. The fluid and/or blood has nowhere to go but to expand the tissue itself. I could be wrong; this is just how I'm looking at it. Please refute if you see differently.

Well the idea of creating a larger head is dependent on just how strong those muscles are and just how much endurance you can exercise. With a strong set of Pelvic Floor Muscles you should be able to hold a Kegel for a great deal of time, definitely enough time for a blow job:)
 
"Collagen fibers do not resist compressive forces well, so large bend-
ing forces will tend to make the structure fail on the side under compression, giving the penis a sharp kink. Penile kinking has been observed in copulating dogs (Grandage, ’72) and rhinoceros (Fish, personal communi- cation)."

This comment more than anything makes me believe in bundled stretches as bundled stretches provide a compressive force while twisting. My only problem with this is it mentions the structure will only fail on the side that is being compressed. Well, if we're using something like the LM to perform bundled stretches, would this not allow us to fail (compress) the part of the penis that is being 'grabbed' in order to twist the rest of the penis? Would bundled stretches be better if we start the twisting action closer to the head so the whole shaft feels the twisting action?
 
Hmm, I think I explained compression wrong. Well, makes sense. I'm an electrical engineer not mechanical. 😁 . Any mechanical engineers in here that can analyze how we may achieve compression. Seems like bundled stretches allows for torsion (twisting) and tension (pulling), but no compressive forces which they say will allow for deformation.

http://groundupstrength.wdfiles.com...on-compression-shear-torsion/bone-loading.gif
 
none of these things are permanent right? it would be like weighlifting. essentially creating a longer dic* is like building a muscle, and if you dont use it, it withers away (though gradually)
 
galavance;667911 said:
none of these things are permanent right? it would be like weighlifting. essentially creating a longer dic* is like building a muscle, and if you dont use it, it withers away (though gradually)

Incorrect. The penis contains only smooth muscle tissue which can not be enlarged. Enlargement of the penis is permanent, once you have gained size it will be there for ever.
 
doublelongdaddy;667916 said:
Incorrect. The penis contains only smooth muscle tissue which can not be enlarged. Enlargement of the penis is permanent, once you have gained size it will be there for ever.

Good news invest time in PE n the gains will be permanent:cool:
 
MoreThanLuck;667874 said:
Seems like bundled stretches allows for torsion (twisting) and tension (pulling), but no compressive forces which they say will allow for deformation.

Collagens are strongest axially. The particular arrangement in a penis resists alteration in (analogously) the 'cardinal directions' as the tissues are laid out: Longitudinally - North to South, vs changes in length ... and Circularly - "East to West" vs changes in girth.

To break down and remodel the tissues in those directions, you need a lot of time and/or a lot of force. [ * ] Which is all doable, but there are ways to reach the goals more quickly.

[* And/or added heat between 104 and 108 F to increase pliability of the collagens].

Since their strength is highest in perpendicular layers lain to cardinal points, diagonal torsion (such as bundled stretches) -is- deformation. -- As is deflection of the tissues as well by various jelq variants .. jelqs/SSJs etc are like a rolling ring of compression, stressing the tissues 'down/inwards' (and to some extent also outwards) in a vector where the tissues are less resistant to force and are easier to destabilize. [**]

If you can get the tissues to undergo stressors in weaker vectors, where their strength and therefore structure is more easily compromised: such as diagonally (via bundled stretches, directional pulls [behind the cheek etc], A/V pulls, cranks) -- or deflection (via jelqs, or SSJs and etc, or the SRT expressive thing whos name I'm jammed up on at the moment) then the various fibrils can undergo breakdown more easily for less resistance during additional PE exercises, for greater remodeling/gains during healing and/or active healing. In sports physiology (like muscle-building) they call that 'Pre-Fatiguing'. The usage is different but the term fits here as well.

I had a longer 'post' (i thought) on this, .. tried to find it but turns out it was a PM conversation that I probably shouldn't link to, and don't know if that's actually possible anyway. The above is a decent retell, hopefully it made sense. ((Did run into the original link for Kelly's TED Talk on this subject though: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...3550-the-penis-as-a-hydrostatic-skeleton.html))

[** This is making me wonder now if water pumping's superiority over air pumping .. I've never used either one .. might largely (no pun intended) be based upon the likelihood that the users of waterpumps are very probably using water of comfortably warm temperatures .. near or at the range for increases in collagen pliability .. rather than what's less likely - inexplicably using water that's uncomfortably cold for no rational reason. Since water will add or remove heat 9 times faster than Air, 'room temperature water' would feel uncomfortably cold .. like a cold shower. The simple act of having the water be comfortably warm would be right at the range for heat-related pliability benefits versus the normal strength of the collagen fibrils. Would enjoy seeing a discussion of that by brothers who have used air and water pumps, .. probably though in its own thread.]
 
MoreThanLuck;667873 said:
"Collagen fibers do not resist compressive forces well, so large bend-
ing forces will tend to make the structure fail on the side under compression, giving the penis a sharp kink. Penile kinking has been observed in copulating dogs (Grandage, ’72) and rhinoceros (Fish, personal communi- cation)."
But this is when they are erected bro, and If you are experienced with erect work you would know to manipulate the penis so that a broad area is equally effected without room for sharp kinks. I don't own a LM so I don't know exactly how you attach it, but I think you place it mid-shaft then it sort of fall into position just behind the glans after you tighten:blush:
 
galavance;667911 said:
none of these things are permanent right? it would be like weighlifting. essentially creating a longer dic* is like building a muscle, and if you dont use it, it withers away (though gradually)

Dude these methods are all permanent. The penis grows differently than muscle. The science has been done, just do your manual stretching or device stretching and have a routine on when to do it. Example: 2 days on, 1 day off. For 30 minutes or whatever. Continue this for perhaps 2 months. Since you're a beginner you should see gains quiet quickly so 2 months tops. Don't get discouraged if gains don't come quicker, Penis Enlargement is a process that takes time.
 
Asanon;668001 said:
Collagens are strongest axially. The particular arrangement in a penis resists alteration in (analogously) the 'cardinal directions' as the tissues are laid out: Longitudinally - North to South, vs changes in length ... and Circularly - "East to West" vs changes in girth.

To break down and remodel the tissues in those directions, you need a lot of time and/or a lot of force. [ * ] Which is all doable, but there are ways to reach the goals more quickly.

[* And/or added heat between 104 and 108 F to increase pliability of the collagens].

Since their strength is highest in perpendicular layers lain to cardinal points, diagonal torsion (such as bundled stretches) -is- deformation. -- As is deflection of the tissues as well by various jelq variants .. jelqs/SSJs etc are like a rolling ring of compression, stressing the tissues 'down/inwards' (and to some extent also outwards) in a vector where the tissues are less resistant to force and are easier to destabilize. [**]

If you can get the tissues to undergo stressors in weaker vectors, where their strength and therefore structure is more easily compromised: such as diagonally (via bundled stretches, directional pulls [behind the cheek etc], A/V pulls, cranks) -- or deflection (via jelqs, or SSJs and etc, or the SRT expressive thing whos name I'm jammed up on at the moment) then the various fibrils can undergo breakdown more easily for less resistance during additional PE exercises, for greater remodeling/gains during healing and/or active healing. In sports physiology (like muscle-building) they call that 'Pre-Fatiguing'. The usage is different but the term fits here as well.

I had a longer 'post' (i thought) on this, .. tried to find it but turns out it was a PM conversation that I probably shouldn't link to, and don't know if that's actually possible anyway. The above is a decent retell, hopefully it made sense. ((Did run into the original link for Kelly's TED Talk on this subject though: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...3550-the-penis-as-a-hydrostatic-skeleton.html))

[** This is making me wonder now if water pumping's superiority over air pumping .. I've never used either one .. might largely (no pun intended) be based upon the likelihood that the users of waterpumps are very probably using water of comfortably warm temperatures .. near or at the range for increases in collagen pliability .. rather than what's less likely - inexplicably using water that's uncomfortably cold for no rational reason. Since water will add or remove heat 9 times faster than Air, 'room temperature water' would feel uncomfortably cold .. like a cold shower. The simple act of having the water be comfortably warm would be right at the range for heat-related pliability benefits versus the normal strength of the collagen fibrils. Would enjoy seeing a discussion of that by brothers who have used air and water pumps, .. probably though in its own thread.]

That is how to say what I said in a much better way:)
 
templnite;668002 said:
But this is when they are erected bro, and If you are experienced with erect work you would know to manipulate the penis so that a broad area is equally effected without room for sharp kinks. I don't own a LM so I don't know exactly how you attach it, but I think you place it mid-shaft then it sort of fall into position just behind the glans after you tighten:blush:

You're correct. I had to re-read that once more. They are talking about in the erect state, not flacid state.
 
This seems to explain why the __________ Stretch is such a good composite move. During the twist, it applies compression to the tunica at the bend while simultaneously stretching it on the outside of the bend. All that while tugging at the ligs and "internal" penis. Using your second hand, you can also use your thumb for an extra bend at various points on the shaft!

BUT

Is the __________ Stretch ultimately not as effective as doing anything while erect?
 
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kyomoto;665770 said:
Just stretches man. My head got smaller when I've just been doing regular stretching

Did it actually get smaller or is it an illusion because the rest of your dick got bigger?
 
This is an absolutely fantastic article, thank you for sharing More!
And thank you to DLD for breaking it down so well!
 
Bundled erect stretches/twists: who does them with both hands twisting the same direction, and who twists in opposite directions? I can't tell which I feel is more effective.
 
Jarathen;679740 said:
Bundled erect stretches/twists: who does them with both hands twisting the same direction, and who twists in opposite directions? I can't tell which I feel is more effective.

I use the LM when doing erect/flacid bundles. I suspect that you're doing them manually that you would have to use two hands; the hydrostatic forces are strong in your pene. I never twist in opposite directions when I'm erect because I can't. Only when doing flacid bundles.
 
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