Why i no longer stretch while working for girth.

jekyllnhyde360

jekyllnhyde360

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for years i thought a combination of the two was best, until recently i gave the stretching a rest.
I never had the chance to see how long expansion can really stay in it's full capacity, because prior to just recently i thought that if i didnt stretch i wouldn't gain.
(the reason is early in my training i gained a lot of length doing both, so i though i had to stretch to gain either way)
Plus, i thought that if i did girth and didnt stretch, i would lose length.
But anyways, so i started doing girth sessions, and just leaving it, no stretching or anything, and the crazy thing is, my expansion stays for days at a time, where as before, no matter how much expansion i got, the second i did some stretching, i would go right back to my original girth.
And funny enough, i just did some bundled stretching after reading the post, and BAM, right back to my original size.
So, atleast for me, ill stick to just girth work, and do one thing at a time.
 
jekyllnhyde360;660389 said:
for years i thought a combination of the two was best, until recently i gave the stretching a rest.
I never had the chance to see how long expansion can really stay in it's full capacity, because prior to just recently i thought that if i didnt stretch i wouldn't gain.
(the reason is early in my training i gained a lot of length doing both, so i though i had to stretch to gain either way)
Plus, i thought that if i did girth and didnt stretch, i would lose length.
But anyways, so i started doing girth sessions, and just leaving it, no stretching or anything, and the crazy thing is, my expansion stays for days at a time, where as before, no matter how much expansion i got, the second i did some stretching, i would go right back to my original girth.
And funny enough, i just did some bundled stretching after reading the post, and BAM, right back to my original size.
So, atleast for me, ill stick to just girth work, and do one thing at a time.
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Why would you stretch during girth work?And how the hell did you do that?Even if you do 100 jelqs you're dick will be expanded and very hard to stretch xD , almost impossible..at least for me.You must be some freak of the nature if your dick is expanded for days after girth work...wear the cock ring as much as possible and you will gain girth like crazy.
 
Interesting. I've always been working on length or length+girth. My first goal is length. But your post really deserves attention. I wonder what DLD thinks about that.
 
I think you may have miss understood what i meant when i said train girth and length at the same time.
I don't mean train length and girth in the same session, what i meant was , when im trying to gain girth and working solely on that, im going to stop doing stretches throughout the day, and give up on stretching completely, because i find that after stretching my girth expansion is gone.
And ya my expansion stays for a few days, it's pretty sweet, but after like 1 a day it goes down to half the expansion then by the second day im back at my original size. lol
 
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It's probably just in your head or you are turtling from over doing it. Also you are supposed to do bundles BEFORE training that is what DLD said at least
 
No, it's not in my head, ive taken measurements before stretching session and after a stretching session, and the expansion from my girth session is always smaller after stretching.
 
acromegaly;660406 said:
Also you are supposed to do bundles BEFORE training that is what DLD said at least
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Really?! Man, I'm doing it wrong this whole time...lol

What I do (and it's working till now) is twist my penis and perform the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] in every direction; then, twist it to the other side and repeat 2 more times.

Gonna keep checking my BPFSL to see if it'll grow steadily.rofl
 
jekyllnhyde360;660407 said:
No, it's not in my head, ive taken measurements before stretching session and after a stretching session, and the expansion from my girth session is always smaller after stretching.
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There are certainly some stretches to do before girth work, bundles for example are definitely a pre-girth stretch and everyone should do them before girth work. The reason that expansion seems less to you, even measurably is because the stretched tissue is far less likely to get fluid retention which is part of your measured expansion (and is for everyone). So when you stretch reduction in Fluid Retention will lead to what looks like less expansion or pump, but what is really just healthier expansion or pump (more tissue, less fluid), not to mention healthier EQ as a result ;).
 
JakeM82;660412 said:
There are certainly some stretches to do before girth work, bundles for example are definitely a pre-girth stretch and everyone should do them before girth work. The reason that expansion seems less to you, even measurably is because the stretched tissue is far less likely to get fluid retention which is part of your measured expansion (and is for everyone). So when you stretch reduction in Fluid Retention will lead to what looks like less expansion or pump, but what is really just healthier expansion or pump (more tissue, less fluid), not to mention healthier EQ as a result ;).
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That's what I was thinking too, he might be smoothing out FR
 
I appreciate you guys diving deep on this one, but no.
It's not a lack of fluid or anything, the reason why my expansion is smaller after stretching is because when you stretch the shaft vertically your expanding length wise, so it forces the blood that causes the temporary expansion out of the shaft, leaving you thinner.
It's pretty simple to understand, common sense actually.
 
jekyllnhyde360;660426 said:
I appreciate you guys diving deep on this one, but no.
It's not a lack of fluid or anything, the reason why my expansion is smaller after stretching is because when you stretch the shaft vertically your expanding length wise, so it forces the blood that causes the temporary expansion out of the shaft, leaving you thinner.
It's pretty simple to understand, common sense actually.
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This seems to be true to some extent, especially at higher pressure pumping and something I noticed for myself too (but bundles have changed that for me to an extent now). Try to get some quantitative results around this if you can. Try stretching then pumping and get a full set of measurements, then pump without stretching and do the same. I would like to see what the difference looks like for length changes for you, see if it is proportionate to the change in expansion.

I have this happen as well but only at higher pressure, if I stay at lower pressure I just get expansion (and more expansion) and the more tunica stretches I do the better the expansion I seem to get. I will try to measure this same way myself and see if I can connect the results.

Just to be clear, not trying to argue about what you are doing and your thoughts on it. Just trying to research and see if we can get some clear data that might help other guys too.
 
i think im just going to stick to girth exercises for now, once i cement my girth gains ill focus on stretching.
I have the best girth routine ever created, its hella intense and brings my atleast 3/4 of an inch in expansion.
I use exercises that i used to ask Red about all the time before he left, so i just changed them a bit and now im getting crazy expansion.
 
jekyllnhyde360;660433 said:
i think im just going to stick to girth exercises for now, once i cement my girth gains ill focus on stretching.
I have the best girth routine ever created, its hella intense and brings my atleast 3/4 of an inch in expansion.
I use exercises that i used to ask Red about all the time before he left, so i just changed them a bit and now im getting crazy expansion.
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No matter length only or girth only, make sure you get some Tunica stretching in through Bundles on your [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words], in your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] or by hand. This is very important to giving more room for tissue expansion. 5 to 10 minutes before your workout is plenty.
 
Yes Jekyll the bundles aren't only for length now. *thanks jake:blush:*
 
This has been my experience as well. I only train girth, or length. I get better results from either this way because I can stay focused more easily for one thing. My pumps, or expansion from my girth sessions usually last into the next day. This is a very good sign you are hitting girth with enough intensity. Consistent expansion every session, a fat, heavy hang when flaccid, and expansion that lasts at least a few hours if not longer.
 
Awesome, thanks Still!
There a tone of great new guys on here, and there coming up with so pretty solid material, but i really needed to talk to an original like you, and God bless DLD, but i can't be taking up all of his time, and Red aint here anymore, which is a big shame.
I get good expansion im pretty sure, i stay expanded for the entire day without even wearing an adc, and the next day, i've usually went down some (about half the original expansion) but im still half pumped.
In your opinion is that the type of expansion that i should be looking for, or that lead to solid gains?
appreciate your opinion on this.
 
Whenever I do low-grip stretches I end up with a chubby flaccid ?:(, also stretching makes me prone to easier erections?:(
 
jekyllnhyde360;660516 said:
Awesome, thanks Still!
There a tone of great new guys on here, and there coming up with so pretty solid material, but i really needed to talk to an original like you, and God bless DLD, but i can't be taking up all of his time, and Red aint here anymore, which is a big shame.
I get good expansion im pretty sure, i stay expanded for the entire day without even wearing an adc, and the next day, i've usually went down some (about half the original expansion) but im still half pumped.
In your opinion is that the type of expansion that i should be looking for, or that lead to solid gains?
appreciate your opinion on this.
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Lol, you are answering your own question. Yes, this is the expansion you are looking for. I feel like a Jedi saying that.
 
ChilDsh;660399 said:
Why would you stretch during girth work?And how the hell did you do that?
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Many of the exercises in RED's Clamping Guide involve stretching while doing girth work, which increases both length and girth.
 
Whatever you do mate. Remember that whatever works for you. Is the thing right for you.

I dont want to sound like an asshole. And please look away from the MOD title at my name as i am just talking as a member now.

But it seems to me that this thread has this: "what you say is wrong because its not what we experience"
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is the place where we encourage people to try out new stuff.

And although this theory might not work for everyone else.

If it works for him. It is amazing! And it is wonderful that he shares this with us. As maybe just 1% of the guys here will benefit from trying the same.

Im not bashing anyone. I just felt that the tone in this thread ended up with jekyll trying to defend the fact that he tryed something new that seemed to work for him.

And i don't think thats the way to go.
 
I didn't think anyone was being negative, we are all trying to grow together. And it's not just Jekyll who came to this conclusion even Zartan, the member here with the largest MSEG, said "I feel like all the length work is canceling out the girth work instead of growing both ways. " that should tell us it's not just a theory it could be mechanical. Unfortunately I have done the girth only route for a little over a year and now I want to grow both ways now!
 
Aim is right,whatever works for you...and you see gains...stick with it :) It's your body,you know the best.
 
You say that like he were a child that needs someone to defend him. I'm sure Jekyll can speak up for himself dude.
 
I am planning on a new video showing some advanced girth technique that works for me in a few weeks. I'm waiting on my new order of viagra to arrive. It's something I have been meaning to share for a while, to further clarify some points I feel like many men don't quite understand which I have been trying to share for a while now. Nothing clarifies some ideas like videos.
 
acromegaly;660551 said:
I didn't think anyone was being negative, we are all trying to grow together. And it's not just Jekyll who came to this conclusion even Zartan, the member here with the largest MSEG, said "I feel like all the length work is canceling out the girth work instead of growing both ways. " that should tell us it's not just a theory it could be mechanical. Unfortunately I have done the girth only route for a little over a year and now I want to grow both ways now!
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Whether you are gaining length or girth the penis does enlarge in all ways. Girth gains will always bring slight length gains while length gains will produce slight girth gains. I did a study on this here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...m/3133-the-penis-is-a-balloon-not-a-rope.html
 
Hey Still, that's a solid idea (pun intended lol) rofl
Ya, videos clarify everything so much better, your old videos with the green sweater wrap, where how i figured out how to clamp!
And double clamp, which is something i still use.
 
templnite;660562 said:
You say that like he were a child that needs someone to defend him. I'm sure Jekyll can speak up for himself dude.
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the whole thought about a guy needing to defend himself on a forum is absolutely absurd. and we shouldn't get to that in the first place.
 
Aimingforthetop;660644 said:
the whole thought about a guy needing to defend himself on a forum is absolutely absurd. and we shouldn't get to that in the first place.
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I certainly had no intent of coming across aggressive in tone or nature, or having jekkyl feel like he needs to defend himself. The guy has been here longer than me, I was just sharing thoughts and ideas, theorizing as a group.

I hope I was clear in articulating that it was by no means an attack, but if he has some evidence that he could share it would be for everyone's benefit, but not to defend himself or his thoughts/opinions/theories, that was not the ask. The reason I asked for the evidence around it was so that maybe a few of us could do the same and determine whether that was a universal outcome or simply something that he experiences in his P.E. (which makes it no less valid, everyone seems to have a slightly different experience).

If anything other than that was conveyed, my apologies. The culture of experimentation and positive support are what make [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] so much more productive than some of the other communities that exist, I want to ensure it always stays that way.
 
I certainly had no intent of coming across aggressive in tone or nature, or having jekkyl feel like he needs to defend himself. The guy has been here longer than me, I was just sharing thoughts and ideas, theorizing as a group.
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:)
 
Dudes, im fine lmao! :)
i didn't feel like i was being attacked, i just knew you weren't exactly understanding what i meant, but it's all been sorted.
This is an open forum, both comments and criticisms are always welcome, as long as their brought fourth with tact.
 
jekyllnhyde360;660668 said:
Dudes, im fine lmao! :)
i didn't feel like i was being attacked, i just knew you weren't exactly understanding what i meant, but it's all been sorted.
This is an open forum, both comments and criticisms are always welcome, as long as their brought fourth with tact.
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Ahem, you should have typed they're (they are) vs "their" (implies ownership ) and forth (direction) vs "fourth" (a number). Going all PE Gym on ya.
 
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What a nazi ^ I never even notice that shit because sometimes I'm reading fukin brazilian, and a mix of english with german,indian. I just try my best to understand it specially mastermind's weird posts loooool
 
JakeM82;660624 said:
Great link, I hadn't read that thread before, very good stuff.
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Thanks Jake. I am hoping in the restructure of the site this year we can have even more organized sections that include all studies in one place (along with every thing else). So much of my work has been buried in the archives for so long, I would love to have it available for everyone to read.
 
doublelongdaddy;660705 said:
Thanks Jake. I am hoping in the restructure of the site this year we can have even more organized sections that include all studies in one place (along with every thing else). So much of my work has been buried in the archives for so long, I would love to have it available for everyone to read.
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Would be cool to have a "Essential Reading" section to get some core knowledge out there an easy to access.
 
stillwantmore2;660570 said:
I am planning on a new video showing some advanced girth technique that works for me in a few weeks. I'm waiting on my new order of viagra to arrive. It's something I have been meaning to share for a while, to further clarify some points I feel like many men don't quite understand which I have been trying to share for a while now. Nothing clarifies some ideas like videos.
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well in that case... F*** YOU, YOU son of a B****!!!!! lol Im just playin' ! :)
 
Been doing manuals like bundles and rotaries before [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] this week and my expansion was about the same girth wise, but I was a little longer in the tube 👍
 
JakeM82;660743 said:
Would be cool to have a "Essential Reading" section to get some core knowledge out there an easy to access.
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Yeah, there will be a section on articles alone. We tried to do this within the forum but it never really took off. I think giving the articles their own page would be a smarter thing. I am hoping to also make [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] 100% free in the future so the site will be a great place to organize this stuff.
 
DLD you are awesome

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doublelongdaddy;660832 said:
Yeah, there will be a section on articles alone. We tried to do this within the forum but it never really took off. I think giving the articles their own page would be a smarter thing. I am hoping to also make [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] 100% free in the future so the site will be a great place to organize this stuff.
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[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is the best PE website
 
acromegaly;660841 said:
DLD you are awesome

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[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is the best PE website
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Without a doubt, all the other sites just made me want to stay away from P.E. until I came here.
 
JakeM82;660845 said:
Without a doubt, all the other sites just made me want to stay away from P.E. until I came here.
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It is the camaraderie, the mutual love and respect we have for each other. We are a family here and we work together, as a unit, to bring the world the latest and greatest developments in PE.
 
We really are spearheading the ops while others go cry in the street.
 
templnite;661162 said:
We really are spearheading the ops while others go cry in the street.
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Brings all new meaning to "Tip of the Spear"... see what I did there? ;)....
 
stillwantmore2;661181 said:
Just the tip? Shouldn't we work in the whole spear?
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I can only use 8" of it :( the rest the fat pad gets:)
 
JakeM82;661177 said:
Brings all new meaning to "Tip of the Spear"... see what I did there? ;)....
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I have poison tips, they release the neurotoxin mycoxin.
 
jekyllnhyde360 said:
for years i thought a combination of the two was best, until recently i gave the stretching a rest.
I never had the chance to see how long expansion can really stay in it's full capacity, because prior to just recently i thought that if i didnt stretch i wouldn't gain.
(the reason is early in my training i gained a lot of length doing both, so i though i had to stretch to gain either way)
Plus, i thought that if i did girth and didnt stretch, i would lose length.
But anyways, so i started doing girth sessions, and just leaving it, no stretching or anything, and the crazy thing is, my expansion stays for days at a time, where as before, no matter how much expansion i got, the second i did some stretching, i would go right back to my original girth.
And funny enough, i just did some bundled stretching after reading the post, and BAM, right back to my original size.
So, atleast for me, ill stick to just girth work, and do one thing at a time.
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I'm doing length and girth on same day. I normally do my length work first before girth and once I'm done with pumping, I only do erect stretches before going to bed.
 
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