taking ephedra? shrink?

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prince Albert said:
Looking good VK arms and delts look very good,hard to tell from those pics but your back looks like it could do with more mass,no leg shots?
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Thanks buddy

I do have contest pics, but they're not digital so i have to get around to scanning them at my friends house sometime soon.

here's a back shot. My back is very wide, and lats are easy to train, but i have problems with my inner back,



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Vaseline_Knight said:
Thanks buddy

I do have contest pics, but they're not digital so i have to get around to scanning them at my friends house sometime soon.

here's a back shot. My back is very wide, and lats are easy to train, but i have problems with my inner back,



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and this is me normally off season before i bulk up.. (notice the beast hair on my chest =( )


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Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody remember Lyle Alzado or the Tooz ?
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
thanks alot bro.. ya im still debating if i should do roids or not. I gain very fast, but i lose just as quickly.
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Cutting is the problem for naturals,you can gain well but once you start to get the bodyfat below a certain level the size drops quickly,thats one of the attractions of aas use for alot of people they are very effective at keeping muscle while cutting.


MAXAMEYES

Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody rememberl Lyle Alzado the Tooz ?
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I'm a big fan of eph but have stopped using to see if it has any effects on pe.

Your right about quality in the states of aas,there are alot of labs churning out gear that has been knocked up in there kitchen and sterility is a big question,luckily in the uk we can get human grade gear easily.

The law in the states is ridiculous,we are pretty liberal in the uk,you are allowed up to a 3 month supply for personal use,it is possible to be prosecuted but never happens and in the rare cases it does its usually a fine.supplying is a big deal though.

Don't no who Tooz is but lyle alzado's name often gets put forward as an example of a steroid related death,the guy died from brain cancer was it down to roid use or was he always going to die from brain cancer who knows.

From an article ive read he he was on gear constantly and never took a break also being 300lb he must of been using quite large dosages,which is silly,use v abuse
 
ephedra= dangerous if you have no clue what ur doing just like anything :)
 
im2manly said:
ephedra= dangerous if you have no clue what ur doing just like anything :)
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exactly
u want dangerous, try clen
almost ended up in the hospital after 4 days of being on it... I dont know how ppl take so much of it for so long, 1.5 tab was wayy too much for me.. i guess i have too fast a metabolism
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
exactly
u want dangerous, try clen
almost ended up in the hospital after 4 days of being on it... I dont know how ppl take so much of it for so long, 1.5 tab was wayy too much for me.. i guess i have too fast a metabolism
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What happened,hate the stuff myself.
 
prince Albert said:
What happened,hate the stuff myself.
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well i started getting muscle cramps which ws more or less expected cuz of the potassium flush, but then they got intense. Like i was shaving, i tilted my head the left and the whole of the left side of my body froze. couldnt move. so that was alarming. But i took some extra potassium and ignored it as jus a 'coincedence.'

a day later i noticed my heart was palpatating and it was beating a lil too fast. I took a home blood pressure test. 221 / 95. and my heart rate was 190. and i hadnt ran or done anything.. i laid down to slow down the heart rate.. nothing happened. i was lucky cuz at that blood pressure adn that heart rate u can have a heart attack or stroke easily.
 
I really can't agree with Pokey Bear that ephedra's dangerous. It's much more a case of peoples misuse, abuse and freakish overuse that constitutes the danger. I, personally, used to love the stuff, my sinuses were never clearer, my breathing was better, (head and lungs both) and I even liked the lift it gave my energy levels. But, like everything else it can be abused. Think of it this way; consider water: Water in your stomach is essential, water in your lungs is drowning! Same substance, different use, different results. But getting back to ephedra? shrink? ...You might not shrink, but it'll prevent you from pumping to the fullest. Dig a little deeper in the 'net and you'll find Eph's properties...one of which is it's ability to shrink your blood vessels. That's one of the things that helps take the pressure from inflamed sinuses and lung tissue, which helps you breath better. But if you're looking to inflate your muscles, or penis, with blood to increase size, strenght, endurance or appearance then I'd recommend steering away from ephedra.
 
prince Albert said:
Cutting is the problem for naturals,you can gain well but once you start to get the bodyfat below a certain level the size drops quickly,thats one of the attractions of aas use for alot of people they are very effective at keeping muscle while cutting.


MAXAMEYES

Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody rememberl Lyle Alzado the Tooz ?
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I'm a big fan of eph but have stopped using to see if it has any effects on pe.

Your right about quality in the states of aas,there are alot of labs churning out gear that has been knocked up in there kitchen and sterility is a big question,luckily in the uk we can get human grade gear easily.

The law in the states is ridiculous,we are pretty liberal in the uk,you are allowed up to a 3 month supply for personal use,it is possible to be prosecuted but never happens and in the rare cases it does its usually a fine.supplying is a big deal though.

Don't no who Tooz is but lyle alzado's name often gets put forward as an example of a steroid related death,the guy died from brain cancer was it down to roid use or was he always going to die from brain cancer who knows.

From an article ive read he he was on gear constantly and never took a break also being 300lb he must of been using quite large dosages,which is silly,use v abuse
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PRINCE ALBERT
The Tooz was John Matuszak, he coulda been Alzado's twin brother from a different mother. He was another great big son-of-a-bitch who juiced a lot and often. He also used a shitload of drugs and booze and he wound up dead of a heart attack at about 39. One thing ya gotta remember about the roids is their negative effect on connective tissue. Chronic overuse will weaken, then begin eliminating, then begin destroying your connective tissue. And what good are enhanced muscles if they tear from the bone?
 
VK thats sounded nasty,bet it gave you a scare.

Maxameyes,again a guy of 300lb dies from a hearattack,is it the roids fault or simply he was carrying to much weight and put to much strain on his heart.

Roids have a positive effect on conective tissue,why do you think so many atheletes test positive for nandralone,because its known to help with injuries,down side is it is detectable up to 18 months after use.

The reason people get injured are aas greatly increase strength,so caution needs to be used when increasing poundages,example first time i used test enanth i increased my curl weight by 30lb in 3 weeks,in hindsight that was a silly thing to do,i could easily have injured myself.

I posted this clip up before,its HBO real sports steroid special,its quite an eye opener and well worth a watch,you might need to down load it.

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/
 
I hear ya..but if you look at either example I used, yeah these guys were 300 pounders, but they had maybe 6% body fat. 300 lbs. of muscle is a hell of a lot different from 300 lbs. of fat. And as far as the connective tissue issue ( ya like that poetry don'tcha ) I agree to a certain extent, but you gotta remember; you and I are from completely different governments. Whereas you can get good clean medically supervised doses,the vast majority of guys here in the states get polluted, uncontrolled crap which they then horrendously overuse (hell; if some is good, more is better, right?) and what happens is that the muscle development outpaces the connective tissue replacement at a frightening rate. Add to that a lot of "locker room doctors" passing out rotten nutritional info and you've got some really deadly situations brewing. And this doesn't necessarily happen to amateurs, look at Mike Mentzer amongst others. Maybe in the UK the roids are beneficial, but here in the states they've done a whole helluva lot more harm than you could imagine. Personally I think our Government should legalize and control these for bodybuilders and athlete's , hell we're injecting botulism, for God's sake, just to take away wrinkles! But considering what's out there on the market and it's history of abuse and misuse, I'll warn guys away from roids for a long damn time, at least here in the States.
 
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Uh....don't feel like reading five pages to find out how this thread turned into another roid topic...but if any of you guys ARE taking ephedra, and would like to counteract the decrease in blood flow, simply take some l-arginine, hawthorne, muira puama, pycnogenol, cuscuta, ginko, ginseng, and/or yohimbine. These should help if you think you MUST take ephedra, or if it is in one of your pills.
 
goldmember said:
Uh....don't feel like reading five pages to find out how this thread turned into another roid topic...but if any of you guys ARE taking ephedra, and would like to counteract the decrease in blood flow, simply take some l-arginine, hawthorne, muira puama, pycnogenol, cuscuta, ginko, ginseng, and/or yohimbine. These should help if you think you MUST take ephedra, or if it is in one of your pills.
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u just basically listed the ingridients in any of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Penis Enlargement pills[/words]
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
lol i feel like thats one of those... *clap clap clap* congradulations.... ur dumbass *claping stops* <:(
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Ha...no...but you have figured out that the ingredients in penis pills are mostly vasodilators, particularly in the netherregions. You can pick one ingredient to use and buy it from a health food store opposed to penis pills--it will save you money. I'm betting hawthorne or l-arginine are the easiest to find, along with ginko and ginseng. The other you would probably have to order.
 
goldmember said:
Ha...no...but you have figured out that the ingredients in penis pills are mostly vasodilators, particularly in the netherregions. You can pick one ingredient to use and buy it from a health food store opposed to penis pills--it will save you money. I'm betting hawthorne or l-arginine are the easiest to find, along with ginko and ginseng. The other you would probably have to order.
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a complete off topic tangent here. how come i cant create any threads?
my post count is well above 30. why am i still restricted?
 
Just an FYI about Trib.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15994038&query_hl=3

The young men are 21 males ages 20-36.


J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.

OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
 
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