prince Albert said:
9c9 remember the thread were i said what worked in the past still works today and you and MM got all pissed off about it throwing the names of the latest training gurus about.

Strossen,mcrobert and paul kelso have all written similar stuff in the past and this is just the latest rehash,yes it works and works well no doubt about it.

It won't give you 30-40lbs in muscular bodyweight though,30-40lbs possibly but not muscular.

I'm not claiming that just anyone can gain 30-40 lbs of muscle on this program. I'm talking about a total beginner, which Rippetoe specializes in training. In Texas, he's very well-known for his ability to take a beginner and add that much muscle within 6 months, so it doesn't make much sense to argue that.

I'm also not claiming anything magical about the routine. It's just a very basic routine, which is exactly what a newbie needs, and nothing more. The real good stuff about Rippetoe's book is not the program he outlines, but the nearly 200 pages and tons of pictures dedicated to teaching proper form and how to recognize and correct errors. I'm sure you know who Jim Wendler is and you know he's not just "the latest training guru." A recommendation like this from Wendler speaks volumes. If you disagree with that, then we aren't going to get anywhere with this discussion and should just drop it.
 
9C9 i said the program will work but i don't care who recommends it 30-40lbs of MUSCLE in 6 months is a physical impossibility even for someone using gear,beginner or not.
 
prince Albert said:
9C9 i said the program will work but i don't care who recommends it 30-40lbs of MUSCLE in 6 months is a physical impossibility even for someone using gear,beginner or not.

Tell that to everyone he's coached and everyone that knows his reputation here in the US. I'm not going to hijack Kevin's thread any further. Whether he gains 30 lbs of muscle or not, it's a great beginner's program and we can both agree on that.
 
9cyclops9 said:
Tell that to everyone he's coached and everyone that knows his reputation here in the US. I'm not going to hijack Kevin's thread any further. Whether he gains 30 lbs of muscle or not, it's a great beginner's program and we can both agree on that.

Agreed that is a good sensible beginners program:)
 
i quite like muscletech - nitrotech. its expensive and tastes disgusting but damn the results are good! (been on a 5x5 routine for benchpress, i do one week to my max and next week i would do max - 15lbs) *active rest* ive gained 20 kilos on my bench press since september.
 
EVO said:
i quite like muscletech - nitrotech. its expensive and tastes disgusting but damn the results are good! (been on a 5x5 routine for benchpress, i do one week to my max and next week i would do max - 15lbs) *active rest* ive gained 20 kilos on my bench press since september.

Way overpriced. There's nothing in it that justifies the outrageous prices they charge. It's just protein powder.
 
Isopure in my opinion is the best for protein. It's a tossup creatine. VPX Redline Gel Caps best for diet supplement. And for workout any Ab Power drink.
 
There isn't that much difference in protien powders they are all sourced from only a few bulk suppliers,the individual supp companys buy from these bulk suppliers,add flavourings and there unique extras:s put a fancy label on and pay some pro to endorse it.

In the uk there are a number of companys now selling no frills protein in bulk,same stuff you get off the big names but without having to pay an arm and a leg,sure there must be something similar in the states.
 
adding 30-40 lbs of pure muscle would be the equivalent of adding 100lbs to your bench ( thats probablly not accurate but the point is that 30-40lbs of muscle means an incredible increase in strength. 1 year yes possible, 6 months...never)
 
prince Albert said:
There isn't that much difference in protien powders they are all sourced from only a few bulk suppliers,the individual supp companys buy from these bulk suppliers,add flavourings and there unique extras:s put a fancy label on and pay some pro to endorse it.

In the uk there are a number of companys now selling no frills protein in bulk,same stuff you get off the big names but without having to pay an arm and a leg,sure there must be something similar in the states.

there are different types of portien powders, such as how fast it gets metabolised, quality, fat to carb to protein ratio, etc.
 
From all the studies that ive read about gaining mass... 2lbs of muscle per week is just about the absolute max on can hope to gain (and that's if you're on AAS with perfect diet). Anything more is fat, water, and/or glycogen which are all temporary.
 
a good amount to aim for pw would be about 1 pound from what ive read, I;ve also read that 2 is possible but not sustainable over the long term.
 
a PWO should have Dextrose, MaltoDextrine and Whey...address most of your needs after working out
 
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