I saw this thread on the activity page and was like "who the hell is following the Atkins diet nowadays????? should have known it was brought back from 2003 hahaha.

BigB_3456;600426 said:
Also the carb-cycling diet looks very promising. That consists of a day of low to no carbs, then the next day of some carbs along with the protein and back and forth. Chris Powell is a big advocate of this and his show Extreme Weight Loss his clients use this along with exercise and lose a ton of weight.

there is a lot of great info out there now about taking high amounts of fat and low to no carbs. both all the time and cyclically. it all comes down to quality of fats eaten. Atkins was missing quality.

doublelongdaddy;600439 said:
I gave up on this when I was told that we lose important brain function with a carb free diet.

a lot of fats improve brain function when a person gets into a healthy ketosis in ways carbs dont. all about what works best for an individual
 
doublelongdaddy;600439 said:
I gave up on this when I was told that we lose important brain function with a carb free diet.
It has some strange benefits though also. Cancer cells will stop growing with no carbs. Personally I like to keep my carbs on the relatively low side and eat clean ones. Oats, brown rice, Ezekiel bread are my main ones. I eat 50% protein 25% carbs and 25% fats. I took a pic yesterday I'm gonna load up soon. Abs are just starting to come in, so is my dick lol you can see in the pic. Trying to get to no fat pad
 
Jdcsd;600730 said:
It has some strange benefits though also. Cancer cells will stop growing with no carbs. Personally I like to keep my carbs on the relatively low side and eat clean ones. Oats, brown rice, Ezekiel bread are my main ones. I eat 50% protein 25% carbs and 25% fats. I took a pic yesterday I'm gonna load up soon. Abs are just starting to come in, so is my dick lol you can see in the pic. Trying to get to no fat pad

Really?? Cancer needs carbs to grow? I've tried the low carb thing and it's horrible to loose weight you need is a calorie deficit
 
8incyclops;600732 said:
Really?? Cancer needs carbs to grow? I've tried the low carb thing and it's horrible to loose weight you need is a calorie deficit

Yah carb cycling is probably the best way. I just keep my carbs to 100-150 grams and of course low calorie about 1800-2000 and my fat is melting off. I did hit 4.5% body fat once though on low carb but you get really flat and scrawny. I was only 170 at 4.5% and I'm 6'1". Now I'm 210 and prob 12%. I'm gonna get to 200 8%. I took a pic yesterday on my phone with my body in it and one today with me at 8.5 inches in the gs but I've having problems getting them to load up, I'll keep trying
 
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BigB_3456;600426 said:
Also the carb-cycling diet looks very promising. That consists of a day of low to no carbs, then the next day of some carbs along with the protein and back and forth. Chris Powell is a big advocate of this and his show Extreme Weight Loss his clients use this along with exercise and lose a ton of weight.

8incyclops;600732 said:
Really?? Cancer needs carbs to grow? I've tried the low carb thing and it's horrible to loose weight you need is a calorie deficit

calorie deficit does work to lose weight but it fails 95% of the time at keeping the weight off permanently. we need to feed out bodies. it's all about quality. eliminate all processed foods and eat a well balanced diet that gives you great energy and it's smooth sailing.

Jdcsd;600743 said:
Yah carb cycling is probably the best way. I just keep my carbs to 100-150 grams and of course low calorie about 1800-2000 and my fat is melting off. I did hit 4.5% body fat once though on low carb but you get really flat and scrawny. I was only 170 at 4.5% and I'm 6'1". Now I'm 210 and prob 12%. I'm gonna get to 200 8%. I took a pic yesterday on my phone with my body in it and one today with me at 8.5 inches in the gs but I've having problems getting them to load up, I'll keep trying

carb/fat cycling seems to work well for people more so then sustained low/no carb diets. i've done practically no car (just low carb veggies) for 3 weeks straight. my fat intake had to be through the roof to make me feel good the first week as my body got used to it. i did ease my way into as well...i didn't just cut all carbs one day...i decreased slowly. i have high cholesterol. 278 total. but my HDL is 168 and bad LDL is LOOOOW. my good LDL is norma range. my vit D is borderline low though so i am taking 6000 IU a day now.
 
8incyclops;600732 said:
Really?? Cancer needs carbs to grow? I've tried the low carb thing and it's horrible to loose weight you need is a calorie deficit

well it's very debatable. so many people have high carb diets and live without CA just as long as low carb diet people. it really comes down to many variables. food quality, stress, happiness, pollution, clean water, blah blah blah
 
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8incyclops;600911 said:
Don't just throw out a fake % about keeping the fat off!,calories in calories out you will loose weight

What is with the exclamation point? don't just assume people are throwing out fake things and yelling at them for it...seems rude to me as the person you were saying that to. You can find tons of research all showing various %'s of diets failing...some report <50%...some 70%...some >/= 80%. I lean towards the high percentages b/c of my past careers in the inpatient hospital setting working with patients with various diagnoses. many of which are linked to be overweight/obese and poor diet. I was an RN. And now i still see it just as much working in preventative medicine with my focus on weight management and postural strengthening. Many things affect weight more so than just the choice of what people have to eat. socioeconomic status is a big one b/c people living in locations of those low socioeconomic status never learned what high quality food is b/c it is nowhere to be found in their neighborhoods. their known as food deserts... a place where it is nearly impossible to find fresh produce. but this a long subject all on its own. The one glaring thing I notice most is that many people think what they are eating is healthy b/c it says lean cuisine and low calories on it or commercials tell you they are healthy when in fact it is just processed and has a huge list of ingredients on it with words no one understands. there are many variables at play..nothing is set is stone.

no one said less calories in, more calories out doesn't doesn't work. it's just not as simple as saying , "calories in calories out you will lose weight" as you said. calorie deficit diets will work but they don't focus on improved health...just weight loss which doesn't inherently mean health. and people often times gain the weight back b/c maintaining a caloric deficient diet is not sustainable for most people..energy loss, chronic fatigue, food cravings etc.

there was a guy who ate just twinky's and convenient store snacks and lost weight. he even had health markers improve such as cholesterol, triglycerides, BMI. he did take a multivitamin, a protein shake and eat vegetable as well as eating a twinky or twinky like snack every 3 hours for over 2 months. he was limited to 1800 calories/day. i wish they would have taken markers of inflammation and organ damage (but they didn't). I'd be most interested in the markers that are indicators for heart disease/issues as well as pancreatic workload/damage. a person can be a picture of great health but if those markers are off it is bad news but unfortunately they are not a part of routine check ups. these are the people you hear about who were healthy people that exercised regularly then drop dead randomly of a stroke or heart attack. luckily this is not as common b/c they were still doing many healthy things for themselves. many variables at play.

there was another guy who only at fast food and lost weight... here is the link to that http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/ - it was a funny movie. one thing that is clear in his movie was his only goal was to go against the health movies that say the opposite and use info that supports his bias. seems like he was in it just to make money. now of course bias can be found even in documentaries and studies that promote information i tend to believe. it takes time to weed through everything and find out what works best for an individual and the people around them who they may be helping if that is their line of work.

i wish i could find the study done back in the 1950 on American soldiers after the the Korean War. bodies of 30o soldiers with an average age in the 20's were autopsied and the hearts examined. over 70% of the hearts were found to have substantial evidence of heart disease. none of these soldiers had shown previous symptoms or been diagnosed with heart disease to any extent. this just showed what can go on in the body men who are seeming in the prime of their health. exercising and physical activity regularly and a diet that was perceived as being well balanced/nutritious fed to our soldiers. i think 5% of the hearts showed over 90% occlusion of a major coronary artery. Our bodies are very adaptable and doing everything they can to survive...especially when we are young and our bodies only biological goal is procreation with the purpose continuing on our own lineage. collateral circulation is what the heart does/creates to keep blood flowing to all tissues of the heart when clogging of a major coronary artery is occurring.

you can find tons of research showing weight loss being achieved with calorie surpluses. these calories surpluses are achieved using very high quality whole food diets that are practically 100% void of processed food. this is the type of lifestyle I maintain b/c it makes me feel best. it also comes with decreased chances of succumbing to many of the issues plaguing our populations today...cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. a diet that doesn't focus on quality but just weight loss has it's health advantages but doesn't do as well of a job at preventing disease.
 
youknowme123321;600497 said:
a lot of fats improve brain function when a person gets into a healthy ketosis in ways carbs dont. all about what works best for an individual

As many know I suffer with Manic Depression and I have found just like this disorder goes in phases so does my weight loss. In every video you see of me during the summer months I am about 80 pounds over weight but like magic when the fall and winter some I lose all the weight. I do not change anything in diet or exercise, it just seems like a shift in metabolism that produces the results. Many people who watched the Channel 4 documentary did not believe it was me because of how in shape I was because 4 months earlier I was 140 pounds heavier. I wish I could tell you how this happens but I can't, it is a simple shift in my mind and then the thinner me wants out.
 
doublelongdaddy;600988 said:
As many know I suffer with Manic Depression and I have found just like this disorder goes in phases so does my weight loss. In every video you see of me during the summer months I am about 80 pounds over weight but like magic when the fall and winter some I lose all the weight. I do not change anything in diet or exercise, it just seems like a shift in metabolism that produces the results. Many people who watched the Channel 4 documentary did not believe it was me because of how in shape I was because 4 months earlier I was 140 pounds heavier. I wish I could tell you how this happens but I can't, it is a simple shift in my mind and then the thinner me wants out.

Human beings are complicated beings with almost as many variable as there are people on this earth.

you quoted my comment about fats and improved brain function...did you quote the wrong comment or in your statement above are you linking your fluctuating weight/manic depression possibly to a fluctuation that occurs in your brain functions as seasons change? it is an interesting thought if so. i'm just not sure if that is what you meant b/c i was specifically and briefly commenting on dietary fats and brain function and you didn't comment to that topic specifically. thanks ;)
 
youknowme123321;601093 said:
Human beings are complicated beings with almost as many variable as there are people on this earth.

you quoted my comment about fats and improved brain function...did you quote the wrong comment or in your statement above are you linking your fluctuating weight/manic depression possibly to a fluctuation that occurs in your brain functions as seasons change? it is an interesting thought if so. i'm just not sure if that is what you meant b/c i was specifically and briefly commenting on dietary fats and brain function and you didn't comment to that topic specifically. thanks ;)

At this point with 13 years of a pattern it seems that the weather is the reason I fall into depressions and put on and take off weight. I will know more once the weather gets cooler, I am keeping very close tabs on my mental state.
 
BigB_3456;600426 said:
Also the carb-cycling diet looks very promising. That consists of a day of low to no carbs, then the next day of some carbs along with the protein and back and forth. Chris Powell is a big advocate of this and his show Extreme Weight Loss his clients use this along with exercise and lose a ton of weight.

8incyclops;600732 said:
Really?? Cancer needs carbs to grow? I've tried the low carb thing and it's horrible to loose weight you need is a calorie deficit

doublelongdaddy;601258 said:
At this point with 13 years of a pattern it seems that the weather is the reason I fall into depressions and put on and take off weight. I will know more once the weather gets cooler, I am keeping very close tabs on my mental state.
that's good...the more you learn about it and yourself the sooner you can hopefully move past it...all positive thought towards you
 
doublelongdaddy;601258 said:
At this point with 13 years of a pattern it seems that the weather is the reason I fall into depressions and put on and take off weight. I will know more once the weather gets cooler, I am keeping very close tabs on my mental state.

I hate hearing you suffer from depression. I've gone through it once, but it was brought on by external factors playing at my already pretty bad anxiety. Worst time of my life, hands down. I started popping klonopins, smoking all day, and binge drinking. Do you practice meditation?
 
youknowme123321;600958 said:
What is with the exclamation point? don't just assume people are throwing out fake things and yelling at them for it...seems rude to me as the person you were saying that to. You can find tons of research all showing various %'s of diets failing...some report <50%...some 70%...some >/= 80%. I lean towards the high percentages b/c of my past careers in the inpatient hospital setting working with patients with various diagnoses. many of which are linked to be overweight/obese and poor diet. I was an RN. And now i still see it just as much working in preventative medicine with my focus on weight management and postural strengthening. Many things affect weight more so than just the choice of what people have to eat. socioeconomic status is a big one b/c people living in locations of those low socioeconomic status never learned what high quality food is b/c it is nowhere to be found in their neighborhoods. their known as food deserts... a place where it is nearly impossible to find fresh produce. but this a long subject all on its own. The one glaring thing I notice most is that many people think what they are eating is healthy b/c it says lean cuisine and low calories on it or commercials tell you they are healthy when in fact it is just processed and has a huge list of ingredients on it with words no one understands. there are many variables at play..nothing is set is stone.

no one said less calories in, more calories out doesn't doesn't work. it's just not as simple as saying , "calories in calories out you will lose weight" as you said. calorie deficit diets will work but they don't focus on improved health...just weight loss which doesn't inherently mean health. and people often times gain the weight back b/c maintaining a caloric deficient diet is not sustainable for most people..energy loss, chronic fatigue, food cravings etc.

there was a guy who ate just twinky's and convenient store snacks and lost weight. he even had health markers improve such as cholesterol, triglycerides, BMI. he did take a multivitamin, a protein shake and eat vegetable as well as eating a twinky or twinky like snack every 3 hours for over 2 months. he was limited to 1800 calories/day. i wish they would have taken markers of inflammation and organ damage (but they didn't). I'd be most interested in the markers that are indicators for heart disease/issues as well as pancreatic workload/damage. a person can be a picture of great health but if those markers are off it is bad news but unfortunately they are not a part of routine check ups. these are the people you hear about who were healthy people that exercised regularly then drop dead randomly of a stroke or heart attack. luckily this is not as common b/c they were still doing many healthy things for themselves. many variables at play.

there was another guy who only at fast food and lost weight... here is the link to that http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/ - it was a funny movie. one thing that is clear in his movie was his only goal was to go against the health movies that say the opposite and use info that supports his bias. seems like he was in it just to make money. now of course bias can be found even in documentaries and studies that promote information i tend to believe. it takes time to weed through everything and find out what works best for an individual and the people around them who they may be helping if that is their line of work.

i wish i could find the study done back in the 1950 on American soldiers after the the Korean War. bodies of 30o soldiers with an average age in the 20's were autopsied and the hearts examined. over 70% of the hearts were found to have substantial evidence of heart disease. none of these soldiers had shown previous symptoms or been diagnosed with heart disease to any extent. this just showed what can go on in the body men who are seeming in the prime of their health. exercising and physical activity regularly and a diet that was perceived as being well balanced/nutritious fed to our soldiers. i think 5% of the hearts showed over 90% occlusion of a major coronary artery. Our bodies are very adaptable and doing everything they can to survive...especially when we are young and our bodies only biological goal is procreation with the purpose continuing on our own lineage. collateral circulation is what the heart does/creates to keep blood flowing to all tissues of the heart when clogging of a major coronary artery is occurring.

you can find tons of research showing weight loss being achieved with calorie surpluses. these calories surpluses are achieved using very high quality whole food diets that are practically 100% void of processed food. this is the type of lifestyle I maintain b/c it makes me feel best. it also comes with decreased chances of succumbing to many of the issues plaguing our populations today...cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. a diet that doesn't focus on quality but just weight loss has it's health advantages but doesn't do as well of a job at preventing disease.

Thanks for agreeing with me calories in calories out you will drop weight
 
youknowme123321;600958 said:
What is with the exclamation point? don't just assume people are throwing out fake things and yelling at them for it...seems rude to me as the person you were saying that to. You can find tons of research all showing various %'s of diets failing...some report <50%...some 70%...some >/= 80%. I lean towards the high percentages b/c of my past careers in the inpatient hospital setting working with patients with various diagnoses. many of which are linked to be overweight/obese and poor diet. I was an RN. And now i still see it just as much working in preventative medicine with my focus on weight management and postural strengthening. Many things affect weight more so than just the choice of what people have to eat. socioeconomic status is a big one b/c people living in locations of those low socioeconomic status never learned what high quality food is b/c it is nowhere to be found in their neighborhoods. their known as food deserts... a place where it is nearly impossible to find fresh produce. but this a long subject all on its own. The one glaring thing I notice most is that many people think what they are eating is healthy b/c it says lean cuisine and low calories on it or commercials tell you they are healthy when in fact it is just processed and has a huge list of ingredients on it with words no one understands. there are many variables at play..nothing is set is stone.

no one said less calories in, more calories out doesn't doesn't work. it's just not as simple as saying , "calories in calories out you will lose weight" as you said. calorie deficit diets will work but they don't focus on improved health...just weight loss which doesn't inherently mean health. and people often times gain the weight back b/c maintaining a caloric deficient diet is not sustainable for most people..energy loss, chronic fatigue, food cravings etc.

there was a guy who ate just twinky's and convenient store snacks and lost weight. he even had health markers improve such as cholesterol, triglycerides, BMI. he did take a multivitamin, a protein shake and eat vegetable as well as eating a twinky or twinky like snack every 3 hours for over 2 months. he was limited to 1800 calories/day. i wish they would have taken markers of inflammation and organ damage (but they didn't). I'd be most interested in the markers that are indicators for heart disease/issues as well as pancreatic workload/damage. a person can be a picture of great health but if those markers are off it is bad news but unfortunately they are not a part of routine check ups. these are the people you hear about who were healthy people that exercised regularly then drop dead randomly of a stroke or heart attack. luckily this is not as common b/c they were still doing many healthy things for themselves. many variables at play.

there was another guy who only at fast food and lost weight... here is the link to that http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/ - it was a funny movie. one thing that is clear in his movie was his only goal was to go against the health movies that say the opposite and use info that supports his bias. seems like he was in it just to make money. now of course bias can be found even in documentaries and studies that promote information i tend to believe. it takes time to weed through everything and find out what works best for an individual and the people around them who they may be helping if that is their line of work.

i wish i could find the study done back in the 1950 on American soldiers after the the Korean War. bodies of 30o soldiers with an average age in the 20's were autopsied and the hearts examined. over 70% of the hearts were found to have substantial evidence of heart disease. none of these soldiers had shown previous symptoms or been diagnosed with heart disease to any extent. this just showed what can go on in the body men who are seeming in the prime of their health. exercising and physical activity regularly and a diet that was perceived as being well balanced/nutritious fed to our soldiers. i think 5% of the hearts showed over 90% occlusion of a major coronary artery. Our bodies are very adaptable and doing everything they can to survive...especially when we are young and our bodies only biological goal is procreation with the purpose continuing on our own lineage. collateral circulation is what the heart does/creates to keep blood flowing to all tissues of the heart when clogging of a major coronary artery is occurring.

you can find tons of research showing weight loss being achieved with calorie surpluses. these calories surpluses are achieved using very high quality whole food diets that are practically 100% void of processed food. this is the type of lifestyle I maintain b/c it makes me feel best. it also comes with decreased chances of succumbing to many of the issues plaguing our populations today...cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. a diet that doesn't focus on quality but just weight loss has it's health advantages but doesn't do as well of a job at preventing disease.

What's your typical whole-food diet(for example mine mostly consists of fresh fruit and veggies, soups, some fish and meat, beans, potatoes, some nuts, olive oil and seed oils) and how is it distributed throughout the day and in what amounts? Also which fats and oils is best in your opinion for brain function and great energy? I usually have olive oil and seed oils such as Sunflower and a vegetable oil like Avocado Oil, but they're usually refined, which is considered somewhat processed. What do you think about that, and what fats and oils do you find best for you?

I should mention that I will be eliminating my consumption of bread. I never had a lot of it in the past, more-so a moderate amount, but I watched many university videos depicting the detriments of bread(mostly bread from grains) and I also realized my energy levels were extremely low after eating bread. I'm wondering should I be looking for an alternative to grain-bread or just ditch the idea of bread altogether and solely opt for whole-food carbs like potatoes and beans. I'm even thinking about completely ditching rice, millet, barley, and any kind of grain.
 
youknowme123321;601315 said:
that's good...the more you learn about it and yourself the sooner you can hopefully move past it...all positive thought towards you

Learning about myself is what this year has been all about. Trying to find when and why the changes happen so I can be better equipped to deal with them.
 
As I bump deeper, I've been seeing some users who's name I've never seen before. I hope you all get a notification.
 
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