Care to join me in Infrared PE?

[ApostleInTriumph]

Ok,
preliminary research seems to indicate that IR radiation Penis Enlargement is safe and *might* infact spurt hyperplasia/hypertrophy. A study indicates that near infra red wound healing therapy is now FDA approved and is used by NASA for healing wounds in space. Now, what has wound healing gotta do with Penis Enlargement? Well I'm no expert in biology but from the paper it seems *near infrared* radiation is sufficient to penetrate fairly deep and targets the mitochondria, stimulating/energising the cells. This leads to greater cell activity, growth factor synthesis, collagen production and angiogenesis!!! Now I'd say tha'ts hyperplasia? The wavelengths used - 680 to 880 nm.

I just started this experiment. Bought a 250 W GE infrared lamp from Walmart. It looks like a regular bulb though, so it must be producing the whole range of visible to near infrared wavelengths. Wonder it it'll work guys!!! I do stretching and jelqing under the IR lamp. Take care not to put you dick under direct focus. Might cause a slight burn.

If you find other reliable sources of near infrared radiation, do let me know. Also for those who might try this, keep us updated...

Here are the references -
PuBathmateed abstract->
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A really cool paper -
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near IR for wound healing -
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Possible poor penetration of IR into deep tissues -
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[slayman]

insanity!

but tell us if it works

 

[DLD]

Now this is my type of madness! I'm going to join you.

DLD

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Wow! Didn't think the God of Penis Enlargement himself would descend upon this
I just started this, so can't say about any results. Also by nature my dick is retarded (slow to respond)!! DLD or anyone else, be careful about overheating or underheating. I fitted the ifrared lamp into a table lamp casing and I do Penis Enlargement sessions under the lamp! Be careful not to keep your dick directly in the focus of the lamp, you get a brning sensation. Right now I'm just going by temperature as a rough indicator - the dick should feel warm. The cool thing is you can heat hands free!

Shiver and 8 isn't enough, your comments/inputs? The problems is we don't know the intensity of IR reaching the tunica. I have a feeling that IR from the bulb doesn't penetrate much, it mainly heats the skin. This is my wild guess based on the fact htat outer skin is hot. The question is is it sufficient. What do you guys think?

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by ApostleOfTriump
The wavelengths used - 680 to 880 nm.

That is about the peak for regular incandescent tungsten light bulbs. They produce a lot of near IR.

If you get a "heat lamp" type IR, they usually run at a lower temperature, may use a quartz coated heating element, etc, and shift the peak spectrum below and away from the 680-880 nm.

So you would be better off just getting a regular lightbulb, one of those reflector types.

 

[GellyBird]

GO FOR IT!

 

[pole]

I did this in the past (3years or so ago).

It definately heats tunica as well. How else it could heat muscles in medical use? At least mine does.

I will join again.

pole

 

[pole]

Mine has 150W(Phillips) and I can place it in a distance of approx.50cm directed on my dick w/o burning feeling.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Pole,
is it a regular Phillips bulb or is it an IR/heating bulb? Are you doing stretching/jelqing under this or are you the bulb for heating only and then put it off and do Penis Enlargement? Any observations?

Bobdobbins
I gotta checkout more on the specifications of this GE bulb. It says infrared lamp so I'm assuming it produces MAINly IR wavelengths. You are saying a heat bulb would produce IR mainly in the far infrared end (greater than 750 nm)? Visible light has a wavelength range of 400 nm - 750 nm. Near infrared corresponds to the visible part of infrared spectrum (mainly red light and a little beyond - in the study they used 680 nm - 880 nm).

The GE bulb has a red filter and produces visible light (must be producing some far IR light also). So I'm saying we are BANG on target, it produces NEAR IR light! More feedback guys and good luck!

 

[SlamInTheLamb]

Does this mean I could spot fellow Penis Enlargement'ers by driving around at night looking for red glows coming from bathroom windows?

 

[pole]

Originally posted by ApostleOfTriump
Pole,
is it a regular Phillips bulb or is it an IR/heating bulb? Are you doing stretching/jelqing under this or are you the bulb for heating only and then put it off and do Penis Enlargement? Any observations?

IR/heating, we're talking about IR, aren't we?
I'm not that dumb

If you read carefully, I wrote that I used it 3years ago! I used it occassionaly for the one or the other. Mainly just because it feels good and I was always to lazy for the standard warm up.
Just after reading the threads here I decided to give it a more regular trial again.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by SlamInTheLamb
Does this mean I could spot fellow Penis Enlargement'ers by driving around at night looking for red glows coming from bathroom windows?

Could be much worse than that! DLD watchout! If a snake hapens to pass by he'll see a bight n glowing snake much bigger than him, dangling from some point in the air! (snakes can see only IR I believe)...

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

My room during IR Penis Enlargement sessions looks very much like what you see in my avatar! I put on some death metal to add to the special effects

 

[BigWillie]

((( And they laughed at me for doing my Penis Enlargement in the HotTub!)))

Maybe someone could have their Penis X-Rayed before a normal Penis Enlargement Session. Then 24 Hours after a Penis Enlargement Session...

Next time - they use the InfaRed Light Thing with a Before and After X-Ray to see if there's a difference in cell repair between the 2 methods.

I'd do it but - I don't have an X-Ray Machine - Just a HotTub.

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by ApostleOfTriump
I gotta checkout more on the specifications of this GE bulb. It says infrared lamp so I'm assuming it produces MAINly IR wavelengths. You are saying a heat bulb would produce IR mainly in the far infrared end (greater than 750 nm)? Visible light has a wavelength range of 400 nm - 750 nm. Near infrared corresponds to the visible part of infrared spectrum (mainly red light and a little beyond - in the study they used 680 nm - 880 nm).

I did quite a bit of google searching for IR bulb spectrums but came up empty. I saw some medical IR lamps, but they spec'd wavelengths from 2,000nm to 50,000nm -- quite long compared to the desired peak.

On the other hand, I readily found the spectral curve for regular tungsten incandescent lamps, and they peaked right in the desired range. You can't do better than that.

There would be no reason to need to filter out the visible light, as it is only like 6% of the output power. (Incandescent light bulbs are obscenely inefficient at producing visible light.)

IR is a pretty huge spectral range. So just because it says IR doesn't tell you much where the range of the bulb falls.

 

[korven]

After doing a extremely LITTLE reading and some googleingg, I realize that some serious research has to be done

Short explanation of laser therapy

5 x 50mW,
810nm, 250mW

Laser products

one more, LOTS of documentation here
The Low Level Laser Therapy

It's really late, and I'm to tired .

A thought, is it meant to stretch/hang at the same time as exposing your member with laser?

The word laser scares me .

Hope you find it useful

 

[bobbdobbs]

Lasers???

Here, look how the energy of a regular tungsten incandescent light peaks at longer than 680nm -- this is just exactly the range mentioned.

You really can't improve on that with IR bulbs (which will peak at longer wavelengths outside the desire range) or expensive lasers which have extremely narrow spectrums and useless coherence.

http://www.neon-lighting.com/articles/spect-incandescent.gif

http://www.videoessentials.com/i/spectral12.gif

http://www.olympus-biosystems.com/graphics/technical/W-spectrum.png

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Interesting info guys.
I feel laser might be expensive. I've read so far only about near IR and know for sure it's safe since it's FDA approved. See the following paper, it compares near IR produced by LEDs with that of laser. Also I checked one LED based IR product and that costs $400! And laser is supposed to be costlier than that!!
http://www.dermavista.com/NASA.html
http://www.alliedlighttherapy.com/page1.html

If you guys find other LED sources lemme know. Here's one -
http://www.alliedlighttherapy.com/listings/1.html

Bobdobbs,
so we can use regular lamps in theory. But the GE lamp I have mainly produces red light so I'm pretty sure it 's mainly in the near IR range. I'll go for a while with the IR bulb and maybe you can checkout the regular bulb and we can compare... (I'm a hard gainer though)! It would be interesting if we can get some LEDs at low price, else this is the best bet.

 

[8 isn't enough]

Just keep it off your balls. High heat kills sperm production.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Yeah, I pull the undy down a little so that it still covers my balls. Don't think that would block the IR rays though. Near IR is supposed to penetrate 23 cm in the NASA study at the energy level of 4 Joules/cm2. I don't know what's the energy density from an IR lamp or a regular lamp. Maybe 2 undys would help!

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Who gives a fuck to sperms anyway unless you wanna impregnate some chick!

 

[8 isn't enough]

Don't know this for sure but it may also mess with the Leydig cells. If it does, youll stop production of testosterone. I would say to use a reflective surface to protect your testicals from getting the heat. It's not a deal breaker, just be carefull.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Interesting angle of thought. Here's a study on effect of IR + He-Ne laser on Leydig cell's T production. Surprisingly it says %T increases with IR + laser, %T doesn't change with laser alone. But notice the power density is 4 milli Joules/min/cm2. The NASA study uses 1000 times that power. I've no clue about hte power density from a lamp. But going by gut feeling that it's not going to harm unless you feel really hot/burning sensation, and knowing that low levels of IR infact jack up T production, it seems an ok calculated risk.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3595730&dopt=Abstract

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Interesting article from Dr Mercola about IR saunas. Towards the end there's a description of building your own IR sauna. He uses 250W IR bulbs (exactly what I use). He mentions that the rate of metabolism is jacked up.

Also he cautions that you shouldnot expose your balls directly to IR. Also that the IR does not penetrate effectively through clothing. So I'd take 8 isn't enough's suggestion of using a reflective material between the IR lamp and the balls (say a small mirror). Otherwise it might be effective to wear 2 undies and stick only your penis out of the undy.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/14/sauna.htm

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Ok,
after a fair bit of research I've come to the conclusion that IR therapy is effective for the reasons sighted before.

PRECAUTIONS -
1. Don't focus the beam directly on any part. I'm using a 250W lamp and it will burn the skin if I do focus it directly. Use the degree of "hot/warm"ness feeling as an indicator. You are not supposed to raise the body temperature of any tissue beyond 50 deg. centigrade. So let if just feel "WARM" and not hot.

2. Don't expose beyond 1/2 hour. It can be counterproductive if you do

3. Preferrably cover the balls with aluminium foil. If not, wear 2 undies and pull out only the dick to expose to IR.

4. Don't allow the light to reach your eyes directly (face it away from the eyes).

You can briefly look at the lamp (like you take a quick glance directly at the summer sun) but not for a long time.
Better close your eyes. Maximum IR in the near infrared range is absorbed by skin. So eyelids will be a great protection. Note that it's not as dangerous as I make it sound. Infrared saunas use the exact same 250W IR lamp. The precaution for infrared saunas is to not allow IR to fall on the balls directly. Ther e was no precaution mentioned for the eyes. But I'd say better close the eyes....

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by ApostleOfTriump
the GE lamp I have mainly produces red light so I'm pretty sure it's mainly in the near IR range.

The red may be enhanced by a red filter (you can tell if it looks red when it is off.) Some IR bulbs come with the red filter so that they are therefore color coded -- to distinquish them from regular bulbs. However, some IR bulbs just use clear glass.

I agree it is going to be in the near IR if there is a visible part (the red), but the peak is probably shifted to the longer IR, beyond the spec'd range.

I should say that I was reading about photography and which sorts of lamps to use for IR effects. Same thing -- they recommended regular tungsten because the peak of the IR was in the range of the film sensitivity -- also in the range of interest here.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

It's possible that th e peak in IR lamp is shifted to FIR rather than NIR. Now, here's an article which claims the same effects (increased metabolism of tissue, vasodilation etc using FIR. The onlyh problem with FIR is that the outer human skin mainly absorbs NIR. So most of the NIR coming out of a table lamp or the NIR component coming out of an IR lamp is absorbed at the outer layer of the skin. Outer skin doesn't absorb FIR, FIR is mainly absorbed by inner muscle and skeletal tissue. The problem is we have nerves only at the outer skin layer. So we can't feel how hot the tissue is inside with FIR. I gotta checkup on the GE IR/heat lamp spectrum. Otherwise you have convinced me that a table lamp would work...

Bobdobbs, did you start tablelamp Penis Enlargement? Also, do u have any clue what's the power density of a tungsten lamp (Joules/min/cm2)? We gotta choose the wattage of the lamp to produce a power density of 4 Joules/min/cm2 - as used in the NASA study. Good work with the tungsten man!

Here's the link on FIR -
http://www.balancedlives.net/altmed.htm

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
We gotta choose the wattage of the lamp to produce a power density of 4 Joules/min/cm2 - as used in the NASA study.

Hmm. Joules are energy, watts are power (rate of energy.) So one joule is delivered every second by one watt of power. Or to put it another way, joules = watt-seconds. One watt-hour therefore equals 3600 joules.

Light intensity depends upon what reflectors you use, if any. In this way, the light can be concentrated more or less.

If you don't use any reflector, then you just take the surface area of the sphere defined by the distance of your skin from the light filament. If the filament is 3 inches away from your skin, then since the surface area of a sphere is 4*pi*radius^2, the surface area is 113 square inches. Or 730cm^2.

A regular incandescent light will put about 90% of the input power into the IR (both near, middle and far.) So a 250 watt bulb will put 225 watts of IR out. At 3 inches, the energy density is 0.31 watts per cm^2 (= 225/730).

That's about 19 joules/min/cm^2. Almost five times what is apparently claimed to be needed.

So just hold a 60 watt light bulb about 2 inches from your skin (which including the 1 inch inside the glass bulb to the filament makes it 3 inches.)

If you have a reflectorized bulb, we'd have to recalculate based upon it's concentration of the beam. Basically for a 60 watt reflectorized bulb, you'd be able to hold it farther away from the skin, or go to a lower wattage.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Hey great work there Bob! I think it's a good idea to use a reflector (table lamp) to avoid over exposure to the eyes.

So in that case we'll have to measure the diameter of the circle of light projected onto the floor/table surface, by the table lamp.
1) I think we can assume a cone of light with tip at the table lamp bulb.
2) Gimme a better figure if you have it. Otherwise I'll assume 90% of the bulb output is focussed onto this light cone. 10% is absorbed by the reflector
3) I checked the damn NASA paper and it's 4 Joules/cm2. So it's the energy per unit area and not power per unit area.

Since at higher height the circle projected onto the table becomes diffuse I'd suggest to keep the table lamp close. Measure the height and diameter of the projected circle and calculate
tan(A)= 2h/D ..............h->height, D->Diameter of projected light circle

If t = total time of Penis Enlargement (in minutes), p = power in Watts of the bulb, the height of the lamp above the dick H (to get 4 Joules/cm2) ->
H = ( 2.07/tan(A) ) * SQRT(PT)

If I use a 150W bulb for 30 minutes, the height of hte table lamp above the dick is = 139/tan(A)

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

So whatya think Bob? The 2 of us have done some cool shit here, incorporating biology and physics into Penis Enlargement If this works, maybe we should publish a paper on this (ha ha ha)!!

BTW did you start using this into your Penis Enlargement routine? I did some sessions and I'm noticing my dick feels kinda fuller. I'll measue after a week... I think I'll do 2-3 weeks using the IR bulb. I hope you've started with the regular bulb. I plan to switch to the regular bulb after 3 weeks and see the difference. Lets get started dude!

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
I checked the damn NASA paper and it's 4 Joules/cm2. So it's the energy per unit area and not power per unit area.

I'm confused then. That's like saying apply 4 gallons per square foot. It doesn't tell you how fast to apply it.

The way I figured it with the 60 watt bulb, you'd get your 4 joules/cm2 in one minute.

Do they mention exposure time -- that would be the missing variable. If it is longer than a minute, then you need less power. If it is shorter than a minute you'd need more power.

As for your cone suggestion, yeah.

No, I haven't personally done it. My wife doesn't approve of Penis Enlargement, so I am doing it stealth. There's no way I can be shining some spotlight on my dick.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

I think it's just about the total energy delivered to the tissue rather than the rate of energy. Makes sense since it's the amount of energy transferred that increases the cell energy (required for increased metabolism).
Oh man, bad news that you can't practise this stuff! I'm guessing 1 or 2 IR sessions per week followed by regular Penis Enlargement will be enough. Either you might squeeze in an hour of privacy per week (say getting up really early when ur wife's asleep) or coming up with some lame excuse to expose your dick to light .... maybe if you buy a heat bulb instead of regular bulb you can cough up the excuse that you have a ligament pull in the dick and you are using the heat bulb to heal it

 

[soyelmocano]

There have also been studies of using IR and other wavelengths to help with the healing of joints. Basically, it heated up from the inside (not just heating the skin), loosened fascia, and allowed more flexibilty, etc. Sorry, I have no links. I read this long ago and did think at the time that it might be great for Penis Enlargement.

 

[hopefullybigger]

Hey i have a question for you guys, I'm going to be moving to a new house really soon, liek 2 days, and inside the bathroom there a heat lamp. it turns red so i think it is an infrared light but im not 100% but anyway its suppose to dry your body after a shower, you think i could use this and try the experiment?

 

[8 isn't enough]

You know, the more I look at this, the more interested I get. Still, I would like to see results before I microwave my pecker. But, there is a chance that it may work.

Good Luck!
8

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by hopefullybigger
Hey i have a question for you guys, I'm going to be moving to a new house really soon, liek 2 days, and inside the bathroom there a heat lamp. it turns red so i think it is an infrared light but im not 100% but anyway its suppose to dry your body after a shower, you think i could use this and try the experiment?

Well, the point is that if you are really after the 680-880nm IR range, you can just use a regular incandescent tungsten filament light bulb, as it's peak energy is right in that band.

An IR bulb like you mention is very red because they put a red filter in it to color code it.

So what is the difference between an IR bulb and a regular bulb?

IR bulbs run at a cooler temperature. If you don't filter the light, it does look a bit reddish/yellowish. So there is still visible light. But a 250 watt IR bulb will look a lot dimmer than a 250 watt regular bulb. The peak of the spectral output has been shifted down to the longer IR ranges.

The peak output of the IR bulb is below the band mentioned as being the most beneficial. That's why a regular bulb seems like the better idea.

You might wonder why anyone uses IR bulbs where just heat is wanted and wavelength isn't critical. I think mainly because they want to avoid the blinding light. So next time you see some IR bulbs keeping your fries warm at McDonald's, imagine if there were a lot more visible light there. It'd probably drive the workers nuts having to look at the super illuminated fries all the time.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by bobbdobbs
The peak output of the IR bulb is below the band mentioned as being the most beneficial. .

Bobdobbs
is that a typo? I think IR bulb peaks *might* shift towards far infrared which means above the 680-880 nm range (beneficial range). As Bob said, regular lamps provide maximum output in the near infrare range (680-880 nm). A study by NASA, which is FDA approved for wound healing using IR, used 680 - 880 nm wavelength IR. I still have to find the spectral graph for IR bulbs. It is possible that most output is concentrated in the near infrared wavelengths or it could be shifted to far infrared.

It's an experiment. I'm currently using the IR bulb. I'll shift to regular bulb after a month and compare results. But for any effectiveness, please scroll to the top for PRECAUTIONS. Then scroll to 3/4th the page for the correct height, power and intensity formula (to achieve NASA conditions)!

 

[8 isn't enough]

How are you guys coming along? Any news?

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Well, nothing to report so far :-(
The sad thing is I had to put a temporary halt on Penis Enlargement 2 days ago. I just started IR Penis Enlargement about a week back. I pulled very hard while stretching and there was a drop of blood coming out from the urethra opening. No pain no trace of wound. It's not new, happened twice so far in my Penis Enlargement career. So I decided to put breaks for 4-5 days.

On the brighter side, I did notice the dick to feel fuller (heavier) while I was doing IR Penis Enlargement. Strangely the length felt the same but girth seemed ot have improved a little. I was doing IR stretching and IR jelqing (while 50% erect).... the 50% because I was listening to death/black metal while Penis Enlargementing rather than watching a porno
I'll get back into groove next week.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
Well, nothing to report so far :-(
The sad thing is I had to put a temporary halt on Penis Enlargement 2 days ago. I just started IR Penis Enlargement about a week back. I pulled very hard while stretching and there was a drop of blood coming out from the urethra opening. No pain no trace of wound. It's not new, happened twice so far in my Penis Enlargement career. So I decided to put breaks for 4-5 days.

On the brighter side, I did notice the dick to feel fuller (heavier) while I was doing IR Penis Enlargement. Strangely the length felt the same but girth seemed ot have improved a little. I was doing IR stretching and IR jelqing (while 50% erect).... the 50% because I was listening to death/black metal while Penis Enlargementing rather than watching a porno
I'll get back into groove next week.

Good move! I wish you a speady recovery.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Thanks DLD, will let you know how it's going...

 

[ItsElectric]

So, my fellow Maiden fan, how is the Penis Enlargement?

-ItsElectric

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Well, it's been a long time since I last did Penis Enlargement, let alone IR Penis Enlargement!! Got a little bored of the Penis Enlargement routine. Moreover I was busy creating a software product on the side (in the domain of AI)... hope to get something out of it. Then my outings .... Well, today is my first day of getting back into Penis Enlargement. As I said before, don't trust my gains for IR Penis Enlargement. I can't maintain a regular Penis Enlargement schedule, and I hardly have any gains to report
So howz it going for you itselectric?

 

[ItsElectric]

Oh I'm doing alright, just gotta go buy a few more wraps so I can try to hang this 20lbs. Gotta get to that fatigued state you know. Maybe you should try hanging?

-ItsElectric

 

[ICM]

I feel special now! Me and my mentor have been doing this for quite a while now. (Using IR).

We use IR devices designed for massage. I'm trying to buy this really cool one I saw which heats to 104F and is very small and hand-held.

I currently have a fairly unwieldy back massager that is quite good.

Boom! Ahead of the game....

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

Those massage ones are trash. Initially when I was looking for an IR device (after reading that NASA paper) I started out with Homedics IR massager. It was such a waste of cash, you feel more heat standing near the cooking range or even next to a lamp shade.
I'd suggest you use an IR lamp or even a regula table lamp (they emit near IR wavelengths). If you look on Page2 of this thread I've derived a formula for the best placement of a table lamp w.r.t power, time and height
H = ( 2.07/tan(A) ) * SQRT(PT)

Well, that reminds me. I gotta get back into IR Penis Enlargement (after a long Penis Enlargement break). I just started jelqing last week (2ice a day with some toilet stretches). Been doing this for a week with no break and what do I get? Zilch!!! Not even a millimeter gain! So IR Penis Enlargement is the only way out for my fucked up dick. I'll start it next week

What's been your experience ICM?

 

[ICM]

Apostle you're right about some massagers because my first was only barely hot enough, but this little handheld one I'm trying to get heats to 104F which is 40C which is 1C below the optimum temperature for the plastic elongation of type 1 collagenous tissue. That previous sentence may be a little off but that's how I remember it.

I'll report back when I get it, because I don't like the idea of lamps due to their large heating area. I may get a lamp yet.

 

[ApostleInTriumph]

ICM
can you post a link or give the specs (name, model) of the massager? I'd like to take a look...

 

[ICM]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
ICM
can you post a link or give the specs (name, model) of the massager? I'd like to take a look...

It isn't on their website, so I'll have to post the specs and pics when I buy it, which will be when they get it in stock.

Will keep you informed.

 

[DLD]

Thanks DLD, will let you know how it's going...

Any new results?