A lifestyle Change - Advice needed

[keepingitbig]

Hmm. Where's the protein? Of course YOU really don't need protein powder, It's not recommended. I still kept up with my lifts and never shrunk. It's all a mind-game. I noticed when I started eating alot more carbs than low-carbing, I've lost more weight and actually kept up my energy levels while having a calorie deficit. Plus, I still eat what I want. Gotta' find out what works for you, but protein is necessary.

 

[rakas]

Hmm. Where's the protein? Of course YOU really don't need protein powder, It's not recommended. I still kept up with my lifts and never shrunk. It's all a mind-game. I noticed when I started eating alot more carbs than low-carbing, I've lost more weight and actually kept up my energy levels while having a calorie deficit. Plus, I still eat what I want. Gotta' find out what works for you, but protein is necessary.

My initial priority is simply to carry on dropping weight and so i'm not worrying about protein amounts although fish has a decent amount of protein.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Don't forget; your body is just one huge collection of an amazing array of proteins.
Even your bones consist mostly of a protein matrix.

 

[Mr.Dreamer]

Are you exercising? It is very important to exercise while dropping weight to ensure that the body recognizes that it needs to preserve muscle and burn fat. Without it, muscle mass and, and even bone density could be lost. That is also why it is important to count your macrnutrients rather than just calories. By counting your macronutrients, fats/carbs/proteins, you can customize your diet, eliminate any uncertainty, zero in on exactly what works for your body, and maximizing your results by ensuring the weight you are losing is just fat and not muscle.

 

[rakas]

Okay so i'm going to look around [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ans[/words] see what green veg i actually like (i've never tried many) but in the meantime i've made a few small changes..

Cod In Butter Sauce
Fish (i'm thinking a river cobler)
Tuna in Sunflower Oil
Carrots
Mushroom
Onion
Potato
Cucumber
Cereal
Milk
Wholemeal Bread
Banana
Pear
Melon
Strawberry
Blueberries

 

[DLD]

Don't forget; your body is just one huge collection of an amazing array of proteins.
Even your bones consist mostly of a protein matrix.

This is why the fad diets scare me, I am old school with the diet.....fuck, I still look at the food pyramid as my guide

 

[MAXAMEYES]

And science still gets shit wrong. I remember Covert Bailey and his, "Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame!"
So I started in with the brown rice, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, yada-yada-yada cut way down on fats and proteins and got fat!

I tried real hard for that stupid 80-10-10.

Now I go about 40-30-30 and I'm doin' just fine.

 

[Jdcsd]

Okay so i'm going to look around [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ans[/words] see what green veg i actually like (i've never tried many) but in the meantime i've made a few small changes..

Cod In Butter Sauce
Fish (i'm thinking a river cobler)
Tuna in Sunflower Oil
Carrots
Mushroom
Onion
Potato
Cucumber
Cereal
Milk
Wholemeal Bread
Banana
Pear
Melon
Strawberry
Blueberries

Try broccoli, asparagus, green beans and spinach for veg. Cucumbers are just edible water in the shape of a cock.

 

[rakas]

Try broccoli, asparagus, green beans and spinach for veg. Cucumbers are just edible water in the shape of a cock.

Don't like Broccoli but will try the others.

 

[Jdcsd]

I like green beans the best. The skinny "French" kind and not canned, fresh. A spinach salad is good with some evoo and vinegar

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Yup.
You can put just about anything onto a bed of green leafies and make it a shitload more nutritious.
Try that cod in butter sauce over 4-5 ounces of baby spinach, arugala, red lettuce, kale, swiss chard....etc., etc.

Or chop it up fine and add to yer tuna.

I like green beans the best. The skinny "French" kind and not canned, fresh. A spinach salad is good with some evoo and vinegar

 

[AF3]

And science still gets shit wrong. I remember Covert Bailey and his, "Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame!"
So I started in with the brown rice, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, yada-yada-yada cut way down on fats and proteins and got fat!

Science doesn't get anything wrong. It's people who get science wrong.

As the Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman once said:

"The first rule of science is you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Science is people, people are science.
You cannot separate one from the other.

What science doesn't get outright wrong is often corrupted by greed, or simply ignored due to laziness.
And it's other people, most not directly involved, who suffer.

Science doesn't get anything wrong. It's people who get science wrong.

As the Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman once said:

"The first rule of science is you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."

 

[DLD]

Science is people, people are science.
You cannot separate one from the other.

What science doesn't get outright wrong is often corrupted by greed, or simply ignored due to laziness.
And it's other people, most not directly involved, who suffer.

Indeed you are correct MAX. There is also a medium that exists where lack of faith collides with justification to ignore. So much goes out as mysticism, philosophy, theory and every other way to discredit a physical science with properties that fulfill the Axioms needed. Sad really, so many go hungry (figuratively) due to the prejudices founded in ignorance.

 

[AF3]

Science is people, people are science.
You cannot separate one from the other.

What science doesn't get outright wrong is often corrupted by greed, or simply ignored due to laziness.
And it's other people, most not directly involved, who suffer.

You don't have any argument from me on any of those points, but those don't have anything to do with science.

When it's practiced as it's meant to be, then the conclusions you come to are tautologically valid. Personally, I don't think science is any more or less a path to reality than any other practice really (faith included). Anyways, as it turns out with regards to diet and nutrition, a lot of eminent scientists and physiologists were getting it right all along (see "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes for example).

 

[MAXAMEYES]

As we are quickly coming to find out, "Science" really can't come to any real conclusions.
But we are returning to the original purpose of the scientific method, which simply is; to pose more accurate questions so as to receive more accurate answers.

It's more about the journey...because there really is no destination.

You don't have any argument from me on any of those points, but those don't have anything to do with science.

When it's practiced as it's meant to be, then the conclusions you come to are tautologically valid. Personally, I don't think science is any more or less a path to reality than any other practice really (faith included). Anyways, as it turns out with regards to diet and nutrition, a lot of eminent scientists and physiologists were getting it right all along (see "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes for example).

 

[AF3]

We're both on the same page more or less but back to the topic at hand--help 'dem fatties trim down! I know you mentioned the Weston A. Price foundation and made reference to a lot of "Paleo" type stuff in your posts.

Have you thought about writing some kind of sticky for people looking to lose weight? Seems like you have a thorough command of the nutrition, and I know personally how easy it is to control bodyweight and bodyfat once you understand a few principles, but I also know that to do this you have to let go of a lot of things that the mainstream culture presents as "diet advice", and I think that's where people need the most help.

AF

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Sounds kinda tempting, but I don't have the patience (honest to shit) to answer some of the questions I just KNOW will come down the pike.
I'm a full-time Dad to two of the most adorable li'l guys you'll ever meet, I'm devoting almost ALL of my present time to them and "MOS-ing" when I can.

When and if my time gets a little freer; I'll certainly think about it.

And thanks for the vote of confidence!

 

[AF3]

Yeah to be honest, the information is out there and if somebody wants it bad enough and is smart enough to sift through things with their own critical thinking, then they're definitely going to find it.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Some of the simplest, soundest advice I've ever gotten is from Dr. Lendon Smith's book, "Feed Your Kids Right".
It was simply, "Eat foods that rot, but eat them before they do."

Pretty good starting point for this day & age I think.

 

[rakas]

Some of the simplest, soundest advice I've ever gotten is from Dr. Lendon Smith's book, "Feed Your Kids Right".
It was simply, "Eat foods that rot, but eat them before they do."

Pretty good starting point for this day & age I think.

Certainly sound advice, most people eat far too much crap.

 

[rakas]

Well bad news folks. Despite 2012 recording the first annual loss since at least 2006 (Jan 13 saw the lowest weight since Jan 11) 2013 as a whole has been a disaster with only the summer period seeing slight falls..

Bearing in mind that i was 160lb at 6'1 in Feb 06 here are my 2010 onward changes (at 6'4) to get to my peak of at least 308lb (quite literally i have doubled my body weight pretty much)...

2010: +10lb (only started recording in May so likely an underestimate)
2011: +16lb
2012: -7lb
2013: +22lb (to September - October and November likely delivered gains, December will deliver a loss)

The good news is that i went to the gym from the end of September to the end of November quite often so despite a horrible diet the gains in those months were likely muted somewhat. December as always as a student is a skint month where i can't afford any temptations anyway.

I'll have a final 2013 total on 1st January 2014 but i suppose going to the gym regularly was the plus point that i can build on, i simply need to address my food habit.

 

[jordey]

Well bad news folks. Despite 2012 recording the first annual loss since at least 2006 (Jan 13 saw the lowest weight since Jan 11) 2013 as a whole has been a disaster with only the summer period seeing slight falls..

Bearing in mind that i was 160lb at 6'1 in Feb 06 here are my 2010 onward changes (at 6'4) to get to my peak of at least 308lb (quite literally i have doubled my body weight pretty much)...

2010: +10lb (only started recording in May so likely an underestimate)
2011: +16lb
2012: -7lb
2013: +22lb (to September - October and November likely delivered gains, December will deliver a loss)

The good news is that i went to the gym from the end of September to the end of November quite often so despite a horrible diet the gains in those months were likely muted somewhat. December as always as a student is a skint month where i can't afford any temptations anyway.

I'll have a final 2013 total on 1st January 2014 but i suppose going to the gym regularly was the plus point that i can build on, i simply need to address my food habit.

so are you at your heaviest now? what led to the lapse in progress?

making a big lifestyle change (in the form of losing alot of weight and everything associated with it) is never easy, and many factors are involved with how likely you are to succeed. the main thing is to not be discouraged and learn from whatever caused the setback

 

[rakas]

so are you at your heaviest now? what led to the lapse in progress?

making a big lifestyle change (in the form of losing alot of weight and everything associated with it) is never easy, and many factors are involved with how likely you are to succeed. the main thing is to not be discouraged and learn from whatever caused the setback

Yes. My problem is food (takeaways like pizzas, kebabs ect.. huge potions of these obviously). Notably this semester i did actually go to the gym for 9 weeks straight so i think exercise is something is something I've clearly tackled mentally but i need to cut the food problem. 2012 did however show that for several months i can eat pretty well and lost 24lb in 5 months with no exercise so if i can get a grip in 2014 then i can make progress on the ~130lb i aim to lose (target is <180lb before i consider bulking for muscle - reason muscle is on a back burner is that being skinny you can still look hot in clothes).

 

[jordey]

Yes. My problem is food (takeaways like pizzas, kebabs ect.. huge potions of these obviously). Notably this semester i did actually go to the gym for 9 weeks straight so i think exercise is something is something I've clearly tackled mentally but i need to cut the food problem. 2012 did however show that for several months i can eat pretty well and lost 24lb in 5 months with no exercise so if i can get a grip in 2014 then i can make progress on the ~130lb i aim to lose (target is <180lb before i consider bulking for muscle - reason muscle is on a back burner is that being skinny you can still look hot in clothes).

ok fair enough, we all have set backs.

as for diet, i would say do one of two things; either try and completely cut out everything bad, and only eat plain, 'healthy' foods for a couple of weeks (or until you no longer crave them), or simply cut back, and just fit the foods you love into your daily caloric limit/ goal.

i would say though that if youre planning on just fitting in the food you love (which is what i do and find the most effective physically and mentally), then do so in small amount and dont schedule it. for instance, if you havent eaten alot one day, and have 400 calories left over, you can have a bit of cake or whatever you want. IMO its a bad idea to set out a 'cheat day', especially on a cut and especially with people who have a tendency to binge eat as what happens alot of the time is you look forward so much to that heat day that you bing and ruin the work you put in the rest of the week.

as for gym, what do you do? cardio/ weights/ circuits etc?

 

[rakas]

Yeah, i'll try that.

Because of how unfit i am i generally do 1 mile on the exercise bike (9-10 mins in September, 5-6 mins now) and then do dumbbell exercises.

 

[jordey]

Yeah, i'll try that.

Because of how unfit i am i generally do 1 mile on the exercise bike (9-10 mins in September, 5-6 mins now) and then do dumbbell exercises.

that improvement in cardiovascular capacity is very good. with the db exercises, whats the goal? general fitness/ for calorie burning or for increased strength?

 

[rakas]

that improvement in cardiovascular capacity is very good. with the db exercises, whats the goal? general fitness/ for calorie burning or for increased strength?

Really? I just assumed it was akin to conditioning rather than any actual fitness gain. It should be noted on that point however that i was previously very fit so i don't have bad genetics per say for fitness.

Priority goal is 5km in under 30 minutes so i'll move to 2km when i can do the 1km in 4-5 minutes. Afterward i'll probably push for 10km in under an hour until i'm at <180lb when i'll look at bulking for muscle.

On the dumbbell point weight loss is the priority but resistance exercises are recommended by fitness professional so while i've not included a core workout yet i thought that working the arms would be something simple i can do while i'm working on my 1km.

Really though in addition to building cardio i need to work out a resistance routine for the core to work on until i reach my fitness and weight goals. Only afterward will i then go for strength.