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I'm 19 yrs old, weight 127 and am 5' 6''; i'm going to the gym but only like 3 times a week; i do an hour and a half of aerobic excercise and then like one hour of weight lifting, the problem is that i'm not good with the last, i can only lift a little of weight and i think i'm not gonna get muscle tone at all.

My problem is that i'm not very thin, i have 17% of body fat, and i don't like that, but I also want some muscle tone (SOME, not bodybuilder like)

I want to know if I have to be able to lift a lot of weight in order to get muscle or if just lifting some weight in many repetitions would help me.

Thanks a lot
 
For the average lifting routine for a guy like you, shoot for a weight that you struggle to get 10 times. Do this for about 3 sets per excercise. This will tone you up, and hopefully build a bit of muscle.

Lifting for higher reps and not challenging yourself will do you no good.

Don't worry about becoming too muscular, it ain't that easy.
 
17% is under average, isn't it?

Maybe, separate cardio and weights sessions (or at least reduce one or tother). I doubt many people could shift any real weight after 1 and 1/2 hours cardio. I think you'd find it hard to put on muscle this way, since you would have burnt alot of energy doing cardio.

Remember that muscle burns calories all through the day, so don't feel that your not doing enough to combat the fat. Make sure your eating good food too, since thats half the battle.

bb
 
Limit your lifting routine to 30min, do about 6-8 exercise's 2 sets each with weight you can only do 6-8 time's...that will build u some mass, then switch to a light lifting regimen to cut up. Also seperate your cardio and lifting routine's.
 
No cardio on the days you lift. Also, protein (WHEY) shakes are a must.
 
Cardio should be done seperately from your weight training program,for your goals do it on seperate days 45mins max.

Weights 3 times a week is fine,remember to stick to the big basic compound movements,

A simple routine something like this,warmup sets first.

Back/biceps monday

Deadlift 2x6 or bentover barbell row 2x6-8,deadlift is the better choice.
chins 2x6 start using bodyweight once you can get 10 reps for two sets add weight and aim for 2x6 reps.
Biceps strict barbell curl 2x6-8

Chest/shoulders/tris wednesday
Low incline D/B press 2x6-8
Dips/weighted as you progress 2x6-8
Military press or D/B press 2x6-8
Close grip bench press or lying tricep extension 2x 6-8(this is optional as your triceps will be heavily worked from the chest and shoulder work)


Legs/abs friday
Squats 3x6-8
Stiff legged deadlift 2x8
Standing calf raise 3x10
Crunches/reverse crunches 2 xfailure

Each workout should take no longer than 30-45mins

Diet is as important if not more so than the training you do.

Here is a very good article written by a guy who makes his living helping people get in shape for BB competitions ect. it will give you an idea of the sorts of food you should be eating,it has a couple of meal plans which ive used myself and got very good results from.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/losing-fat.asp
 
AnotherGuy said:
Limit your lifting routine to 30min, do about 6-8 exercise's 2 sets each with weight you can only do 6-8 time's...that will build u some mass, then switch to a light lifting regimen to cut up. Also seperate your cardio and lifting routine's.

A light lifting routine is not going to "cut you up". Only your diet and cardio have an effect on losing fat. The amount of reps you do does not have an effect on the "cutness" of the muscle. This is a common misconception.
 
Thanks a lot to you all for your replies; I'll take your advice in consideration.
 
do cardio after your weights.. you dont want to fatigue your muscles :)
 
aghhhhhh a subject that i conquered a long time ago.Eat more potatoes and beef.Lots of bread is good to when trying to put on weight.Dont look for the results-feel em first-exercise for strength and size will come in no time.Start doing pushups and squats at home everyday-u can miss one or 2 days out of a week.start by doing 25-keep doing em till u get tired--try to aim for 100 if ya can do more--do it.I use to do 1000 pushups a day and have felll off terribly-but it takes nothing for me to get back in the swing of things.I went from 146 lbs at 5'9 to 200+ of solid muscle.I loved every second of it,all types of chicks couldnt keep their hands off me.I had to run some of the weight off though and dropped down to 195 but still looked well ova 200/Trust me the workout u do at home will benifit u more than anything.If ya do everything i told u to do by mid july u should be no less than 160 lbs easy
 
'Some' can cover a pretty wide range. :) There are a lot of different methods you can use to develop muscle tone. What you want to use depends significantly on how much muscle you want to have. The most important thing though is consistancy. People have suggested some weight routines and diets and I will offer my .02 cents as well.

First I will cover weight lifting. Weight lifting can be used for building muscle and strength or for developing muscular endurance. In the case of the former, low reps with high weight. Do NOT lift more than you can control and ABSOLUTELY do it with someone to spot you. Control is key, since the desire is to force the muscle to develop more fiber (mass) which allows you to lift more. Typical excercises will consist of 2x6-8. You generally should progress from excercises that work large muscle groups to ones that work smaller groups (e.g. legs, then chest, then shoulders, etc) and take plenty of rest between sets. The goal, as I mentioned, is control, not numbers. Also be certain to warm up before doing this with 10-15 minutes of cardio. With a routine such as this you will see fast gains in strength, but probably not a great deal of muscle tone or fat loss. The alternative is to use light weights at high repetition. Motions should be clean and quick, but still remain under tight control. This is very similar to a cardio workout and in fact can replace it to a degree. You are developing the endurance capacity of the muscle rather than its strength so you will burn more energy and see more tone develop, but not much mass. A typical routine will consist of 3x25-30 with 60 sec. rest between sets and 2 min rest between exercises and the whole workout should last approx. 45-60 minutes. No warm up nor partner is necessary here. A final note on lifting is seriously consider, excercises that utilize body resistance such as chin-ups, dips, pushups, and crunches. They are great for any routine and can be done daily.

Ok, now aerobic. You 'have many, many options for aerobic work, so I will mention a few that I use, but realize that this is not an exhaustive list. In general aerobic is best for burning fat, however it is necessary to train your body to do burn fat and not it's temporary energy stores. To do this you need consistent effort, so at least 45 minutes of activity 4-7 times a week. Once you reach your desired weight/body fat you could probably get away with 30 minutes 3+ times a week. As your body adapts will begin to delve into its fat stores and burn stored fat. This is actually very similar to what a marathon runner might do, except the routine would be considerable more intensive LMAO . Also, be certain to maintain a reasonable intensity, with reasonable meaning you are pushing yourself, but not so hard that you are going to be crawling back on your hands and knees (that is reserved for those 8x1 mi repeats @ 5:10 pace with a 4 mi warm up and cool down :O ). I have found and I think you will to is aerobic training develops the best tone in muscles. The downside is that it is really only the muscles you use that develop. However, biking and running are good for quads and calves and hamstrings. Kayaking is good for arms and back and shoulders, but also works the stomach and legs to a degree too. Swimming is the ultimate, and will give you a great workout and veritably good muscle tone. However in my case I swim like a stone. Last, is rowing which is similar to kayaking, but probably more upper body and leg insensive. Be careful here though, since you can easily pull your back by being a bit to zealous.

Finally, at this end of this long-winded spiel, is nutrition. First stay away from fast food and fried food. Second, carbs and protein are the primary nutrients you need. Carbs are generally consumed in larger volume, and protein in moderate volume (contrary to what some people have posted here). However, the reasoning is your body uses energy and while it can get energy from either carbs are a vastly superior source. In the end, though you will have to taylor it to suit your body. Also be sure get vitamens and minerals as well since excercise results in cancerous agents (free radicals) which these neutralize as well as do many other little important things.

One final note, listen to your body, and learn to understand what it wants. I speak from the experience of pushing through injuries to train for races only to end up more injured and in more pain in the end. If something is sore or achy icing stretching and ibuprofin works wonders. If it is persistent, try and figure out the source. Last but not least, good luck!! :)
 
nystrongstroke2 said:
aghhhhhh a subject that i conquered a long time ago.Eat more potatoes and beef.Lots of bread is good to when trying to put on weight.Dont look for the results-feel em first-exercise for strength and size will come in no time.Start doing pushups and squats at home everyday-u can miss one or 2 days out of a week.start by doing 25-keep doing em till u get tired--try to aim for 100 if ya can do more--do it.I use to do 1000 pushups a day and have felll off terribly-but it takes nothing for me to get back in the swing of things.I went from 146 lbs at 5'9 to 200+ of solid muscle.I loved every second of it,all types of chicks couldnt keep their hands off me.I had to run some of the weight off though and dropped down to 195 but still looked well ova 200/Trust me the workout u do at home will benifit u more than anything.If ya do everything i told u to do by mid july u should be no less than 160 lbs easy

Got any pics to back that up,thats the sort of advice somone who has no idea whatsoever about training would give.

I'm just over 200lbs at just under 5'9 and i needed to work up to over 450lb deadlift and dipping with 100+ lb to get there and you claim i could of done it simply by doing pushups and bodyweight squats 5x a week,LMFAO.

As for women falling at your feet simply because you have a muscular build thats a load of bollox as well,women in general prefer the lean slightly muscular look of brad pitt,most young women don't like very muscular men,older women seem to like the look more.
 
hobbes said:
'Some' can cover a pretty wide range. :) There are a lot of different methods you can use to develop muscle tone. What you want to use depends significantly on how much muscle you want to have. The most important thing though is consistancy. People have suggested some weight routines and diets and I will offer my .02 cents as well.

First I will cover weight lifting. Weight lifting can be used for building muscle and strength or for developing muscular endurance. In the case of the former, low reps with high weight. Do NOT lift more than you can control and ABSOLUTELY do it with someone to spot you. Control is key, since the desire is to force the muscle to develop more fiber (mass) which allows you to lift more. Typical excercises will consist of 2x6-8. You generally should progress from excercises that work large muscle groups to ones that work smaller groups (e.g. legs, then chest, then shoulders, etc) and take plenty of rest between sets. The goal, as I mentioned, is control, not numbers. Also be certain to warm up before doing this with 10-15 minutes of cardio. With a routine such as this you will see fast gains in strength, but probably not a great deal of muscle tone or fat loss. The alternative is to use light weights at high repetition. Motions should be clean and quick, but still remain under tight control. This is very similar to a cardio workout and in fact can replace it to a degree. You are developing the endurance capacity of the muscle rather than its strength so you will burn more energy and see more tone develop, but not much mass. A typical routine will consist of 3x25-30 with 60 sec. rest between sets and 2 min rest between exercises and the whole workout should last approx. 45-60 minutes. No warm up nor partner is necessary here. A final note on lifting is seriously consider, excercises that utilize body resistance such as chin-ups, dips, pushups, and crunches. They are great for any routine and can be done daily.

Ok, now aerobic. You 'have many, many options for aerobic work, so I will mention a few that I use, but realize that this is not an exhaustive list. In general aerobic is best for burning fat, however it is necessary to train your body to do burn fat and not it's temporary energy stores. To do this you need consistent effort, so at least 45 minutes of activity 4-7 times a week. Once you reach your desired weight/body fat you could probably get away with 30 minutes 3+ times a week. As your body adapts will begin to delve into its fat stores and burn stored fat. This is actually very similar to what a marathon runner might do, except the routine would be considerable more intensive LMAO . Also, be certain to maintain a reasonable intensity, with reasonable meaning you are pushing yourself, but not so hard that you are going to be crawling back on your hands and knees (that is reserved for those 8x1 mi repeats @ 5:10 pace with a 4 mi warm up and cool down :O ). I have found and I think you will to is aerobic training develops the best tone in muscles. The downside is that it is really only the muscles you use that develop. However, biking and running are good for quads and calves and hamstrings. Kayaking is good for arms and back and shoulders, but also works the stomach and legs to a degree too. Swimming is the ultimate, and will give you a great workout and veritably good muscle tone. However in my case I swim like a stone. Last, is rowing which is similar to kayaking, but probably more upper body and leg insensive. Be careful here though, since you can easily pull your back by being a bit to zealous.

Finally, at this end of this long-winded spiel, is nutrition. First stay away from fast food and fried food. Second, carbs and protein are the primary nutrients you need. Carbs are generally consumed in larger volume, and protein in moderate volume (contrary to what some people have posted here). However, the reasoning is your body uses energy and while it can get energy from either carbs are a vastly superior source. In the end, though you will have to taylor it to suit your body. Also be sure get vitamens and minerals as well since excercise results in cancerous agents (free radicals) which these neutralize as well as do many other little important things.

One final note, listen to your body, and learn to understand what it wants. I speak from the experience of pushing through injuries to train for races only to end up more injured and in more pain in the end. If something is sore or achy icing stretching and ibuprofin works wonders. If it is persistent, try and figure out the source. Last but not least, good luck!! :)

Um...you're way wrong on lots of points.

Let's start with your weight stuff. Building strength and building mass are two completely different things, yet for some reason you lumped them together. Low reps with high weight won't produce mass the way high reps with lower weight will. Bodybuilders and powerlifters train completely differently from each other. A bodybuilder is likely to train 4 or 5 different exercises to work a certain muscle (benches, flyes, DB benches, etc.), and do maybe 5 sets of 10, where a powerlifter may do 5x5 with a very few exercises to get stronger on a particular exercise (bench press, dips, close bench). The three big exercises for a PLer are bench press, squat, and deadlift, and all other exercises are done to get stronger at those, not to make sure they hit the rear head of their delts so their body is perfectly symmetrical. :D

And the idea of light weight for very high reps to "tone" your muscles is, IMO, a load of crap. Muscle tone means your muscles are in a state of semi-tension. You tone your muscles by making them stronger, not by giving them a cardio workout with 10 or 15 lbs. :s The more force your muscles can put forth (i.e., the stronger they are) the more "semi-tense" they will be in their relaxed state. Muscle tone=muscle tension=muscle strength. High reps only cause lactic acid buildup (which, BTW, is the substance that causes rigor mortis in corpses). The idea of "toning up" is BS that was invented to sell to the masses of lazy people that don't want to pick up heavy things. And of course, people believed it because they wanted to think there was an easy way to get a great body. I've got news: THERE AIN'T.

Your cardio stuff, however, is pretty good. I'm assuming you're a runner, correct me if I'm wrong. Your weightlifting and diet advice looks like something a runner would say. ;) I'm also a runner, healing up from a nasty shin splint right now, so don't take that in the wrong way. I find that the majority of runners have the wrong idea about diet and lifting. There are studies (don't remember where at the moment) that show that a 40/40/20 diet yields just as good of results as, say, the 60/30/10 diet that so many runners advocate. And if you're lifting weights in addition to running, you need the extra protein to keep your muscles from atrophying.

Now for diet. If you want to put on muscle, you have to eat some serious amounts of food. ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY protein. Carbs are not as important, and if you're eating too many carbs you'll reduce your insulin sensitivity which could eventually lead to Type II diabetes. No fun. Keep it to low-GI carbs, except post-workout with your protein shake (very important, BTW). High GI carbs help bring the protein in the shake to your muscles more quickly, which is important after a workout when your muscles are craving energy. It gets more complicated than that, but that'll do for now. Try to eat smaller meals more often. It's hard to get enough calories to grow on 3 squares. Your other meals can be protein shakes or high protein snacks such as cottage cheese, etc.

Check out bodybuilding.com for tons of nutritional info and workout plans for all sorts of different goals (not just bodybuilding).
 
Once again, thanks for all of your advice, I'm trying to do what you guys say in the gym.

Now, I see that some have very different opinions, so let's get this straight:

What I'm looking for is to get muscle tone but stay slim, like prince albert said "lean slightly muscular look of brad pitt". I'm very slim, in fact, i used to be anorexic (past tense, way over that), and as a result of the gaining weight process, I now have body fat accumulated in some areas; the first thing that I want is to get rid of this fat, and then, get some muscle tone, something like a calvin klein model, not a silvester stallone.

I hope that you guys keep writing some more advice, 'cause is really helping me. Thanks.
 
when did this become a debate, all he asked for was some advice.

rick_12_7, log onto bodybuilding.com and look at all the beginning bodybuilding articles, pick a routine you like and make sure your doing all the lifts correctly (correct form and a weight you can handle) and you won't get injured. Do the routine for several weeks and see how it goes. Have fun doing it, play whatever sport you like to replace a cardio sessions. Progress from there.

Look at your diet, make your your eating clean food regularly and getting your requirements for what you want to achieve. 40% protein 40% carbs and 20% fat, is the ratio you want to achieve.

Good luck and take your time.
 
Nah I agree with everything you're saying AC (in regards to my post), I was just pointing out that the guy was misinformed. I agree that people should stick to the big movements, and I personally would hate isolation exercises whether they were good to do or not, they're boring. My problem was just that he lumped all weight training in the same pile.
 
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AC's all over this Rick. Like everything else, it takes time and hard work. Don't get impatient and turn to gear, some BB sites might wanna tempt you
 
all i gotta say is im on the same track u r. I believe that an huor and a half of cardio is tooo much. ur gunna burn all the muscle u have. Cut down on cardio a lil bit. I do agree with seperate sessions of wieght lifting and cardio. i believe u shuodl do cardio at least 5 to 6 times a week but only half hour., then may b at night uc an weight lift. BUt if u want tone remember resistance training helps a grip. I ould suggest swimming and jump rope to really tone the body. Always more reps than weight when u want to tone. Also diet plays a critical part in how you want your body to look, so i also suggest 4- 6 small meals a day. there you go.
 
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