The Terrorism thread

[REDZULU2003]

Which other nations have sorted terrorism out like the UK did with the IRA? not many, and the US answer to everything is attack attack attack, which is why they are hated in the middle-east as they usually are the scape goats for whatever attacks planned.
Is it Syria or Iran who's next? I pray that the UK gouvernment says NOPenis Enlargement to anything like Iraq ever again and uses what it achived with the IRA as a white dove in all this bullshit i.e the war on terrorism isnt the correct term that should be used, it sends the wrong message out to the Muslim world and they themselves are getting tired of being tarded with the same brush, so hence more bastards are born.

 

[REDZULU2003]

I'd just like to add some wise sayings:

"Just because one way is easier doesn't make it the best"

"Violence only breeds more violence"

"the enduring hand gathers allies, the violent hand pushes them away"

"We are not afraid"

I would agree

 

[Duppi_KronKite]

What's up with this crap anyways?

As those bombings were taking place in London, the government was running drills of that exact same thing happening, in the same locations and at the exact same time. They then claim they had to switch from drill to reality once it actually was being carried out. Seems a bit strange to me that such things could happen as coincidence.

Funny how the exact same drills happened on 9/11 as well.

Friggin dumb government should pick a better time to have their drills instead of always having them at the same time the real things are taking place.

Enough with my rant... I need some pussy as it's been a long day.

 

[Bib]

Guys,

Well, I see nobody cared enough to research the reasons for Islamic terrorism, and the Wahhabi sect in particular. Without this knowledge, you really cannot make any viable conclusions about how to handle terrorism.

If anyone thinks the west leaving the middle east will solve the problem, they are misinformed.

If anyone thinks Palestine has anything to do with terrorism (except in Israel), they are misinformed.

If anyone thinks military action in Afghanistan or Iraq is causing more terrorism, they are sadly misinformed.

The radical Isalamist are waging war against the west in order to destroy the west, our economy, our religions, our traditions, the way in which we live. They see western culture as a direct insult to their ideas of Islam. That is the reason people are dying. Period. Please figure this out.

Your options are:

1) Convert to the Wahhabi form of Islam, and practice it religiously. The Taliban is a good template.

2) Die.

3) Fight and kill with everything you have in order to try and retain your chosen way of life.

Pulling out of the middle east would not work to stop terrorism, because most Muslims in the area are not radicals, and want to delve into western culture. The terrorists are attacking us, because we are the source of western culture, that the terrorists feel are destroying Muslim culture. Either get it, or die.

There will be more terrorist attacks, whether you fight or not. Until you convert to Wahhabism.

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[penguinsfan]

What's up with this crap anyways?

As those bombings were taking place in London, the government was running drills of that exact same thing happening, in the same locations and at the exact same time. They then claim they had to switch from drill to reality once it actually was being carried out. Seems a bit strange to me that such things could happen as coincidence.

Funny how the exact same drills happened on 9/11 as well.

Friggin dumb government should pick a better time to have their drills instead of always having them at the same time the real things are taking place.

Enough with my rant... I need some pussy as it's been a long day.

Excellent point. Could be more than meets the eye on this, especially after Oklahoma and 9/11.

 

[iwant8inches]

Guys,

Well, I see nobody cared enough to research the reasons for Islamic terrorism, and the Wahhabi sect in particular. Without this knowledge, you really cannot make any viable conclusions about how to handle terrorism.

If anyone thinks the west leaving the middle east will solve the problem, they are misinformed.

If anyone thinks Palestine has anything to do with terrorism (except in Israel), they are misinformed.

If anyone thinks military action in Afghanistan or Iraq is causing more terrorism, they are sadly misinformed.

The radical Isalamist are waging war against the west in order to destroy the west, our economy, our religions, our traditions, the way in which we live. They see western culture as a direct insult to their ideas of Islam. That is the reason people are dying. Period. Please figure this out.

Your options are:

1) Convert to the Wahhabi form of Islam, and practice it religiously. The Taliban is a good template.

2) Die.

3) Fight and kill with everything you have in order to try and retain your chosen way of life.

Pulling out of the middle east would not work to stop terrorism, because most Muslims in the area are not radicals, and want to delve into western culture. The terrorists are attacking us, because we are the source of western culture, that the terrorists feel are destroying Muslim culture. Either get it, or die.

There will be more terrorist attacks, whether you fight or not. Until you convert to Wahhabism.

Bigger

Bigger

Fighting and killing is an option and is one that is being pursued, however the more important and practical question to ask is how do these people respond to this tactic? In what ways are they hurt by this overall when it matters little to them whether they die or not? In other words is fighting on a very large scale in one country to "contain" the terrorism there so as not to fight them here working and will it complete the objective? In the first place that would seem horribly inhumane. The answer is clearly at least to me, no. Other means need to be looked into and it obviously should start with some form of diplomatic means and or something a bit more covert. Of course it's not my job to come up with solutions to such complicated and serious matters. The overt tactics seem to be fueling their reason to end westerners and non believers lives.

 

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by iwant8inches
Fighting and killing is an option and is one that is being pursued, however the more important and practical question to ask is how do these people respond to this tactic? In what ways are they hurt by this overall when it matters little to them whether they die or not? In other words is fighting on a very large scale in one country to "contain" the terrorism there so as not to fight them here working and will it complete the objective? In the first place that would seem horribly inhumane.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Bib
There will be more terrorist attacks, whether you fight or not. Until you convert to Wahhabism.

This thread shows that we need to grow a bit more in relation to terrorism. Most people seem to be saying that for them terror is synonomous with MUSLIM terrorists. That is far from the truth.

This (Muslim inspired terrorism) may be the most immediate threat for Americans but it is not the final definition of terrorism. For most Americans today terrorism is a new idea, yet it is as old as civilization itself. Terrorism is Not Wahabbism, ETA, or the IRA, it is a tactic used by these "outfits" to further their ends. Some of the above comments seem to imply that this is an "Arab" thing. Negative. The ETA, and IRA are still with us and we never know when they will flare up. Within the last year ETA has made more than 10 attacks and IRA agents have been detained for illicit arms trade. This in mind, we cannot win a "war against terrorism" because we simply can't win a fight against a tactic. It is like saying we are fighting a war against "guerilla warfare." Not possible. In the 3 cases I have mentioned we are not fighting terrorism a bit.

Here are some objectives that is totally different, but at the same time uses terrorism to advance its cause:

1) The spread of fanatic Wahhabism

2) The idea of securing a Catholic majority in all of Ireland

3) The independence of Basque peoples within the boundaries of Spain and France.

We need to be aware of these differences. If I were to arrive from another planet and knew nothing of conditions here just from the above posts I would think that terrorism is simply another word for "Muslim."

 

[Kal-el]

originally posted by copper handshak
Iraq is a war of liberation. America is thanked by those who value peace and freedom. You others...must be mentally ill. I pity you.

For those of you for this illegal and immoral war, I offer this to contemplate. I agree that terrorism is horrible, but at the same time when people say that it is caused by a hatred of democracy, that is an oversimplification of the reason why Muslim fundamentallists hate the US and UK (and most Western countries).

If you look at the insurgents of the past and now, it is crystal clear. The IRA in the UK are fighting against the British because they perceive them to be an occupying force on Irish lands. The Basque separatists consider the Spanish government to be an occupying force on Basque land. The Native Americans were known to fight the union armies when conditions got bitter enough, including the famous Custer's last stand, in this, they were fighting an "insurgency" against an occupying force.

In Vietnam, the Vietcong were fighting against us due to the fact that we had hundreds of thousands of troops occupying their land. If the occupation had lasted long enough, I bet the Kuwaiti's would have fought an insurgency against Iraq in 1991. The current illegal occupation of Iraq has produced thousands of insurgents as well as terrorists.

When you look back at history, you see that terrorism is the weapon of the weak against occupying forces, which can only fight back by means the US likes to call "terrorism". While it is unpopular for anyone to imply that 9/11 was in any way provoked, Bin Laden did not decide to kill 3,000 US citizens because he misunderstands our culture and dosen't accept our differences. If you look at the fatwa he issued, the reasons he cited are clear: the troops we had in Saudi Arabia were perceived by him to be an occupying force; and our support for the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention all the other forms of intervention we have blindly pursued in the Middle East, including but not limited to the Persian Gulf War, the billions we give to Egypt and Jordan for keeping peaceful ties with Israel, and the list goes on.

I am the first to admit that cultural differences do exist, but they are Not the primary reason why Muslims and Middle Eastern people hate us. They did'nt look at the 1st Amendment and decide they hate our freedom; they didn't see Paris Hilton's sex tape and decide to kill thousands of Americans. its not that simple.

If we are to believe that terrorism is caused by our Western culture, then we must answer the following: Why hasn't Switzerland been hit? Or Sweden? How about Norway? Canada? These are all countries that never engaged in occupation intervention in a foreign countries' interests.

To push this point home, consider this: When was the last time a Muslim country told the US what to do? It has always been the US intervening in Middle Eastern politics. They give us trouble? We're in their back yard. If we're on their property, its kinda ignorant to expect them to lay down and do what we say. If North Korea decided to invade the US, they'd have trouble, so why do we expect everyone else to lie down and take it?

The bombing in London was horrific and despicable...But it was not unprovoked. When we stick our noses and 160,000 coalition soliders in their countries, it is foolish to think that we won't end up without a black eye.

And before anyone decides to invoke the arguement that I am "defending the terrorists" I am not. If we are to win the "war on terror", we have to uderstand our enemy. It is true of any war. If we don't discover our enemies' motives, we will never cut off their flow of eager recruits. How do we do that? End our flawed policy of occupation and intervention. (at least where it is unnecessary, like the invasion of Iraq)

 

[Kal-el]

originally posted by copper handshak
Iraq is a war of liberation. America is thanked by those who value peace and freedom. You others...must be mentally ill. I pity you.

For those of you for this illegal and immoral war, I offer this to contemplate. I agree that terrorism is horrible, but at the same time when people say that it is caused by a hatred of democracy, that is an oversimplification of the reason why Muslim fundamentallists hate the US and UK (and most Western countries).

If you look at the insurgents of the past and now, it is crystal clear. The IRA in the UK are fighting against the British because they perceive them to be an occupying force on Irish lands. The Basque separatists consider the Spanish government to be an occupying force on Basque land. The Native Americans were known to fight the union armies when conditions got bitter enough, including the famous Custer's last stand, in this, they were fighting an "insurgency" against an occupying force.

In Vietnam, the Vietcong were fighting against us due to the fact that we had hundreds of thousands of troops occupying their land. If the occupation had lasted long enough, I bet the Kuwaiti's would have fought an insurgency against Iraq in 1991. The current illegal occupation of Iraq has produced thousands of insurgents as well as terrorists.

When you look back at history, you see that terrorism is the weapon of the weak against occupying forces, which can only fight back by means the US likes to call "terrorism". While it is unpopular for anyone to imply that 9/11 was in any way provoked, Bin Laden did not decide to kill 3,000 US citizens because he misunderstands our culture and dosen't accept our differences. If you look at the fatwa he issued, the reasons he cited are clear: the troops we had in Saudi Arabia were perceived by him to be an occupying force; and our support for the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention all the other forms of intervention we have blindly pursued in the Middle East, including but not limited to the Persian Gulf War, the billions we give to Egypt and Jordan for keeping peaceful ties with Israel, and the list goes on.

I am the first to admit that cultural differences do exist, but they are Not the primary reason why Muslims and Middle Eastern people hate us. They did'nt look at the 1st Amendment and decide they hate our freedom; they didn't see Paris Hilton's sex tape and decide to kill thousands of Americans. its not that simple.

If we are to believe that terrorism is caused by our Western culture, then we must answer the following: Why hasn't Switzerland been hit? Or Sweden? How about Norway? Canada? These are all countries that never engaged in occupation intervention in a foreign countries' interests.

To push this point home, consider this: When was the last time a Muslim country told the US what to do? It has always been the US intervening in Middle Eastern politics. They give us trouble? We're in their back yard. If we're on their property, its kinda ignorant to expect them to lay down and do what we say. If North Korea decided to invade the US, they'd have trouble, so why do we expect everyone else to lie down and take it?

The bombing in London was horrific and despicable...But it was not unprovoked. When we stick our noses and 160,000 coalition soliders in their countries, it is foolish to think that we won't end up without a black eye.

And before anyone decides to invoke the arguement that I am "defending the terrorists" I am not. If we are to win the "war on terror", we have to uderstand our enemy. It is true of any war. If we don't discover our enemies' motives, we will never cut off their flow of eager recruits. How do we do that? End our flawed policy of occupation and intervention. (at least where it is unnecessary, like the invasion of Iraq)

 

[Kal-el]

originally posted by copper handshak
Iraq is a war of liberation. America is thanked by those who value peace and freedom. You others...must be mentally ill. I pity you.

For those of you for this illegal and immoral war, I offer this to contemplate. I agree that terrorism is horrible, but at the same time when people say that it is caused by a hatred of democracy, that is an oversimplification of the reason why Muslim fundamentallists hate the US and UK (and most Western countries).

If you look at the insurgents of the past and now, it is crystal clear. The IRA in the UK are fighting against the British because they perceive them to be an occupying force on Irish lands. The Basque separatists consider the Spanish government to be an occupying force on Basque land. The Native Americans were known to fight the union armies when conditions got bitter enough, including the famous Custer's last stand, in this, they were fighting an "insurgency" against an occupying force.

In Vietnam, the Vietcong were fighting against us due to the fact that we had hundreds of thousands of troops occupying their land. If the occupation had lasted long enough, I bet the Kuwaiti's would have fought an insurgency against Iraq in 1991. The current illegal occupation of Iraq has produced thousands of insurgents as well as terrorists.

When you look back at history, you see that terrorism is the weapon of the weak against occupying forces, which can only fight back by means the US likes to call "terrorism". While it is unpopular for anyone to imply that 9/11 was in any way provoked, Bin Laden did not decide to kill 3,000 US citizens because he misunderstands our culture and dosen't accept our differences. If you look at the fatwa he issued, the reasons he cited are clear: the troops we had in Saudi Arabia were perceived by him to be an occupying force; and our support for the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention all the other forms of intervention we have blindly pursued in the Middle East, including but not limited to the Persian Gulf War, the billions we give to Egypt and Jordan for keeping peaceful ties with Israel, and the list goes on.

I am the first to admit that cultural differences do exist, but they are Not the primary reason why Muslims and Middle Eastern people hate us. They did'nt look at the 1st Amendment and decide they hate our freedom; they didn't see Paris Hilton's sex tape and decide to kill thousands of Americans. its not that simple.

If we are to believe that terrorism is caused by our Western culture, then we must answer the following: Why hasn't Switzerland been hit? Or Sweden? How about Norway? Canada? These are all countries that never engaged in occupation intervention in a foreign countries' interests.

To push this point home, consider this: When was the last time a Muslim country told the US what to do? It has always been the US intervening in Middle Eastern politics. They give us trouble? We're in their back yard. If we're on their property, its kinda ignorant to expect them to lay down and do what we say. If North Korea decided to invade the US, they'd have trouble, so why do we expect everyone else to lie down and take it?

The bombing in London was horrific and despicable...But it was not unprovoked. When we stick our noses and 160,000 coalition soliders in their countries, it is foolish to think that we won't end up without a black eye.

And before anyone decides to invoke the arguement that I am "defending the terrorists" I am not. If we are to win the "war on terror", we have to uderstand our enemy. It is true of any war. If we don't discover our enemies' motives, we will never cut off their flow of eager recruits. How do we do that? End our flawed policy of occupation and intervention. (at least where it is unnecessary, like the invasion of Iraq)

 

[Duppi_KronKite]

The answer to your question is very simple. Terrorism is caused or at the very least funded by those who want more power over their people.

If the CIA founded and funded Al-Queda and MI-5 funds the IRA and Israel has been caught bombing its own buses, it shouldn't be too hard to track where the terrorism is coming from.

Bottom line is this, if you really want answers to your questions start thinking bigger and your research will bring you better answers.

Whatever age you are, you are too young to be worrying about crap like this anyways. There is so many women out there rubbing off at night wishing they could have some meat, why not give it to them and stop worrying about things you cannot change?

 

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by Duppi KronKite
Whatever age you are, you are too young to be worrying about crap like this anyways. There is so many women out there rubbing off at night wishing they could have some meat, why not give it to them and stop worrying about things you cannot change?

Good point Duppi.

 

[derringer57]

Exactly, its piddly shit to post this in a Penis Enlargement forum. If you really want change go become a force out in this world and use your power for good. Join habitat for humanity or something. If you just come to rant its pointless.

If this war is immoral and wrong go start a petition or something to get Bush impeached or write a letter to your senator

 

[Bib]

Iwant8,

>Fighting and killing is an option and is one that is being pursued, however the more important and practical question to ask is how do these people respond to this tactic?<

Well hopefully, they will respond by dying, before they kill innocents from the west. Or other Muslims that do not subscribe to their crazy view of Islam.

>In what ways are they hurt by this overall when it matters little to them whether they die or not? In other words is fighting on a very large scale in one country to "contain" the terrorism there so as not to fight them here working and will it complete the objective?<

Yes.

>In the first place that would seem horribly inhumane.<

Fighting people who wish to completly destroy the west and everything it stands for is inhumane?

The Wahhabists want to create a Pan Islamic state, along the lines of the Ottoman Empire, and with the Taliban as a template for governance. Then they want to take on the rest of the world, and destroy it. Anything not Wahhabist. Please understand what we are fighting for. It is survival.

>Other means need to be looked into and it obviously should start with some form of diplomatic means and or something a bit more covert<

Diplomatic means? You do not understand the problem. They do not wish to negotiate. They wish for you and all of the west to die.

>Of course it's not my job to come up with solutions to such complicated and serious matters. The overt tactics seem to be fueling their reason to end westerners and non believers lives.<

You are wrong. John Howard went through the chronology of terrorists acts the other day on TV. He outlined exactly what they have done, and when they did it. Offensive actions have been effective in limiting further terrorists acts. And they were SURELY performing terrorists acts before we took the offensive.

Kal,

I believe everyone understands the difference between the Muslim extremists, and other terrorists organizations. For one, the other organizations do not wish to rule the entire world, and destroy everything non-Wahhabist.

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[Bib]

Kal,

>If you look at the fatwa he issued, the reasons he cited are clear: the troops we had in Saudi Arabia were perceived by him to be an occupying force; and our support for the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention all the other forms of intervention we have blindly pursued in the Middle East, including but not limited to the Persian Gulf War, the billions we give to Egypt and Jordan for keeping peaceful ties with Israel, and the list goes on.<

You are simply wrong, and need to do much more research. Look at what is being taught in the Wahhabists schools. Look at the foundations for the Taliban, and how they governed. Then look at the rest of UBLs writings. He does not give a rat's ass for Palistine. The only reason he has ever mentioned Palistine is in relation to Israel, which he wants destroyed along with the west.

Yes, he wants us out of SA. And he wants the other governments of the middle east to have nothing to do with the rest of the world. But he also wants a united Pan Islamic state, governed by the Wahhabists form of Islam, and to then destroy the west, using whatever means available and possible. He has made this quite clear, along with many Muslim clerics.

You do not recognize the threat.

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[Duppi_KronKite]

My question to all of you "Patriots" is this...

What if after you have given up all your guns and rights, the "powers that be" tell you there was never any real threat?

 

[Duppi_KronKite]

Where will you be when the CIA suitcase nukes start going off in multiple cities?

I know I'll be gettin me some of the last decent pussy around. I also know that the day after those attacks they will say "Funny, we were running drills of that exact same thing happening then it quickly turned to a real situation".

All this "Terrorism" is getting quite boring actually. I would suggest to those of you who seem to care.. Either get fully involved and make some changes by any means neccessary, or just ignore it. Going halfway or pretending to care won't bring a renaissance and doesn't make your peers think you are smart because you can quote what CNN or Fox News told you.

 

[Kal-el]

Bib,I'm not necessarily disputing what you're saying here, but could you provide us with some online sources to check out what you're asserting?

 

[Kal-el]

Bib,I'm not necessarily disputing what you're saying here, but could you provide us with some online sources to check out what you're asserting?

 

[REDZULU2003]

Something we must all bare in mind, is that not all muslims are bad in this new wave of terrorism and its just a small percentage who hide behind that peaceful religion and use it to make people hate that group, and than incite more hatred and the cycle continues.
Its easy to hate every muslim because of whats been going down, but DO NOT GO THAT ROUTE, because than the enemy has won....they good muslims will get tired and perhaps go towards the enemy, wouldnt you if you kept being called a suicide bomber in the street? think hard before mouthing back.
The Muslim communities are VITAL in our lands to help flush the bad badstards out, who aint proper muslims...they are extremeists who want the west to live by their own twisted beliefs and thoughts...the religion is a cloak so it looks like they are doing something thats right to some muslims or anyone else whom might have the mindset to belive thatway, easily lead and guilable.
Bin Laden quotes alot from the Koran in his speechs and so has Al Zuquri, but its not the Muslim religion because thats about preserving life not useing the Koran to destroy it..just be careful when you are around not to JUDGE people from what they look like, remember the saying 'dont judge a book by its cover' well its a CLASSIC example in our age at the minute...a muslim in the street doenst mean a suicide bomber, a angry face or anything else bad.
As for Britain, well we have done FANTASTIC with catching the guys who attmepted to bomb us a week or so ago....and their was a brilliant program on TV here on Thursday night on BBC1, some debate show with the head of the met police in London on amongst others such as the Muslim council for the UK...exellent points raised and even they agree that the UK has been too LEANIAT with the badness that cmes here, we allow Freedom of speech, but the line needs drawing because hatred and incite to terror has been spread on the streeets for long enough...we have mosques here which aint a bad idea if muslims wonna go their, but it depends on what preecher is their and we have had bad ones here for long enough, allowed it and paid the price.
We the west can fight terrorism in our countrys by working with the local ethnic communities and working something positive out, all this name calling is going to solve fuck all...and I see one website by some yanks which piss and burn, shoot ect the Koran....which is DISGUSTING and IMHO needs closeing down, alongwith all the other terrorist sites, because that in itself is inciting hatred towards muslims.

peace