Kal,
>Huh? I didn't quite get that<
Each situation concerning the war on terror is different. For example, Saddam was a threat, considering his wealth, and ability to provide WMD to terrorists. He was supporting terrorists, and giving them sanctuary. He was a greater threat at the time than say Iran or Syria.
On the other hand, North Korea is a threat for the proliferation, and possible use, of nuclear weapons. But there is hope that through six party talks, they can be controlled. Diplomacy may also work with Iran, but I do not personally think so.
What are you suggesting, that we should have invaded many countries instead of, or in addition to Iraq?
>I'm saying sure Iran is a threat, but there's definetly other rouge countries out there.<
So take them all out at the same time?
>I misspelled Chechnya. Sorry about that.<
No problem. I misspell often. I was just not clear on the subject at hand.
>Sure the problem there is mainly Muslims, but another problem is the Russian security forces. This internal "war" has caused almost half of the population of Chechnya to go into exile or get murdered.<
I would agree that Russia has gone much too far in their fight against terrorism. They should, and indeed must, be able to judge good peaceful Muslims vs extremists.
>You want a link do you? Well, I'm sorry, but I do not get all my info off the internet.<
Any siting will do. Just do not throw out something which is patently false, a lie, and then not back it up. SA is being attacked quite often by extremists because of their anti-terrorist actions. To say they have done nothing is blatently false.
>Yea right, SA represts EVERYTHING the American Revolution stood against. Tyranny, religious intolerance, corrupt royalty, and ignorance. Executions are held for the public to watch, torture is normal in prison, and your "Whabbism" is the state religion. Actually, it's really hard to see how Saddam's brutal Iraq was any worse than the brutal theocracy run by SA.<
You must be joking. Think up any type of system for judgement you wish, and SA is better in every regard than Iraq was under Saddam. Same for Iran, and Afghanistan before liberation. Jordan and Eygpt are rather harsh also, but are getting better.
But the question is, is SA headed in the right direction? By almost any standard, the answer must be yes. They now have local elections. The radical views are being removed from the Madrases. Terrorists are being captured and/or killed. Women's rights conversations are being advanced. The same cannot be said for many other areas of the world.
>My point is do you ever wonder why much of the world sees the US as the world's biggest hipocrite?<
No. I do not worry about it much. I look at individual actions, to judge whether they are right or wrong. Things like, bombing a mild factory in the Sudan: Wrong. Invading Iraq: Right. Violating the oil for food program and UN sanctions: Wrong. Invading Afghanistan: Right.
>As for Capitalism, I think it is wrong becuase it enslaves people to money, benefiting a few on the backs of others.<
Oh bullshit. Capitalism is the most democratic economic system ever devised. That is why it is so strong. It is also why communism is dead, and socialism is dying. Some random elite group cannot make economic decisions nearly as well as a free market can.
As history has shown, capitalism is a great tool for the underclass to rise in class. Communism and socialism, the opposite. Under these other systems, only the decision makers rise in class. The elite end up as the ONLY priviledged class.
>You might have a point, but Clinton did'nt ignore near as many warnings as Bush.<
So what warnings do you mean? Don't make a generalized statement like that. Provide some specifics. So what did Clinton do to fight terrorism? I can wait.
>He ignored warnings in January 2001 from the outgoing Clinton National security team that al-Qaueda and its sleeper cells in the US were the major security threat facing the US, failed to take any action whatsoever against the Taliban regime in Afganistan even after figuring out in Febuary 2001 that Al-Qaeda was responsible for the October 2000 attack on USS Cole, he gave the Taliban $43 million in April 2001- mostly for the regime's outlawing opium growing as "against the will of god". (at the same time, the UN was imposing sanctions on the Taliban regime for refusing to turn over Bin Laden), he, among other things, prevented FBI terrorism experts from investigating Saudi ties to Al-Qaeda.<
The sleeper cell situation begs the question: Why did Clinton not do something about the sleeper cells? What could he or Bush have done about them, with a lack of a crime? You are being hypocritical.
Taliban: You are simply bizarre. Taking facts and twisting them any way possible to try and make a point. The US provided much more humanitarian aid to Afghanistan than $43 million. The money was to try and save lives.
You must not realize that the Taliban and Al Queda are seperate entities. The first was the government of Afghanistan, and the second a terroist organization. The following link provides the details on aid to Afghanistan:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30166
As far as the Cole goes: Do you think we should have invaded Afghanistan after the Cole was bombed? Is that rational without all knowledge of the situation?
Saudi ties to Al-Qaeda: "he, among other things, prevented FBI terrorism experts from investigating Saudi ties to Al-Qaeda". Where are your facts? This claim is obviously wrong, since we now have a ton of information, and are getting more all the time, on ties between individuals in SA, and Al Queda, and SA is helping to do it. How bad can you get?
>Well, if that's the case, then why didn't SA let the US warplanes take off from there to target the Taliban in Afganistan?<
Do you pay any fucking attention at all? The air base was for fighting possible Iraq/Saddam agression. Not for bombing other Muslims. The bombing could NOT be seen as coming from the home of Mecca and Medina. The US DID NOT want to use that base for offensive operations.
>Bib, the truth is Saudi Arabia should have been the hot topic of terrorism, not Iraq in the days after 9-11.<
Had SA not immediately began cooperation, they probably would have been a direct offensive target.
>Instead, within hours of the planes hitting the towers, the warmongers in the White House rushed to use the tragedy as an excuse for a long-dreamed invasion of Iraq.<
Bullshit. This farce has been proven incorrect time and again. For you to drag it up simply shows how predjudiced you are. After 9/11, Bush only asked for the offensive plan for the invasion of Iraq to be updated. Given the lack of knowledge at the time, this was a prudent step. You are pitiful.
>At this time, and after Two wars to make the Mid East safe for Saudis, wars by the way that cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and thousands of American lives, the price of oil is swelling- up 42% from a year ago.<
You are something. I know you are a cool-aid drinker, but are you so stupid that you must throw out this shit? You have said the wars were for oil, and now bitch because the price of oil is up. Which is it? Did we invade Iraq for oil? If so, where is it? Why are we not flooded with it? Or is this a supply demand problem caused by increased usage by China and India? What should Bush do, bomb China and India industrial sectors?
>It's a good thing we just passed a half-ass energy bill that will do nothing to solvent our dependence on foreign oil.<
No, but drilling in ANWAR will help our dependence on foreign oil. If the fucking democrats will let us do it. Who is holding up a truly comprehensive energy plan?
>As the terrorist attacks in Bagdad, London, and elsewhere continue, Bush prattles on in his latest speech,( I believe it was two Wedsdays ago) about his victories in the imaginary "war on terror". This is a sorry rhetorical device that hides the fact that the forces of Islamic Fanaticism in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the world, are indeed stronger than ever.<
What is your source of information that they are stronger? They may be more obvious, but are being defeated at every turn. Sorry about that for your sake. I know you would like the radicals to be more successful.
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