The Terrorism thread

[Bigd5903]

Anyone hear about the terrorists killing 115 children in Russia today after they crashed 2 planes a few weeks ago? It made me sick when I saw the videos on TV. I bet Russia will get involved in the war now.

 

[twins172_up]

i didn't get the whole story....i thought they were holding that many hostage...i didn't know they killed them

 

[Bigd5903]

they had over 1000 hostage and they lined up and executed 200 people, most of them are children.

 

[Shafty]

Yeah, I read about it in the paper this morning. What an evil world we live in, huh? <

 

[Bigd5903]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/04/russia.school/index.html theres the story.

 

[kong1971]

The only hope we can hold onto is that terrorism is going to burn itself out soon. How long do you think they can continue to muster suicide attackers before there is just no one left in their orginizations? How long do you think they can operate like this before every civilized government in the world mobilizes and exterminates them? Terrorism is a virus that kills its host. Men like Ghandi and Martin Luther King had the right idea when it came to changing society: passive resistance and communication. Blowing up yourself and a roomful of children solves no problems, silences the voice of the dissident forever, and fills the very society you seek to change with disgust and hatred for your cause.

 

[longTom]

The only hope we can hold onto is that terrorism is going to burn itself out soon. How long do you think they can continue to muster suicide attackers before there is just no one left in their orginizations? How long do you think they can operate like this before every civilized government in the world mobilizes and exterminates them? Terrorism is a virus that kills its host. Men like Ghandi and Martin Luther King had the right idea when it came to changing society: passive resistance and communication. Blowing up yourself and a roomful of children solves no problems, silences the voice of the dissident forever, and fills the very society you seek to change with disgust and hatred for your cause.

Ever read the Koran? or the communist manifesto?
Unfortunately we won't run out out of idiots near fast enough.
Not that I disagree with your idea I just don't think it's going to happen. things will get much worse before they get better.

 

[TheExecutioner]

As I am sure you have all heard, London was subject to 4 co-ordinated bombings in the space of an hour during it's rush hour period. Many Londoners have been anticipating such an attack to occur, the question was only a matter of when.
Around 40 people are dead and hundreds more are injured, the tube system of London was today crippled by the blasts. In a way I feel we got off lightly considering that over 3 million people a day use the underground.
My thoughts and prayers are there with families who have been victims of today's attacks.
Me personally had only just missed the blasts around 10 minutes ago I was there where it happened!
Peace and respect Londoners.

 

[Kal-el]

My heartfelt sympathies go out to all that have lost loved ones, suffered, and have to deal with such a cowardly attack against innocent individuals. I commend Tony Blair on his decision to keep the G-8 summit functional while he returned to England- inspite of such a grave tragedy at home.

What has my curiosity in this attack will be England's response; where the US took forever and a day to mount an attack against the "suspected" perpetrators of 9/11 (and I don't mean Iraq), England has a history of retaliating very fast. But they have to find the corrcet source of the attacks. They can't act on the first tip. Everybody wants it to be al-Queda. But one must be sure first before a swift attack is launched.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Very sad, I cant belive how evil people can be.
It was going to happen sooner rather than later, but still its terrible and a massive shock.
Lets hope we catch those responsible and get them to justice.
The UK will never be beaten by terrorists, no one can break the Brtiish heart, try as you may you wont beat us.
The Germans tried and failed, and so will the extremeists, we wont do what some do and invade from anger but do it in a political sensible fashion.
This attack was on ALL races, ALL ages, ALL sexs, ALL and EVERYTHING...no descrimination was in the attack, just to kill and terrorize us brits.....hey you failed, cos we are getting back to normal life again and GOD HELP you when we catch your sorry arses.

 

[Kal-el]

It is a terrible tragedy, but once again I think it proves that George Bush and Co. have a distorted view of the world. "We'll fight the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them at home."-GWB. Unfortunately, this dosen't hold true anymore. You can't fight terrorism with violence, and this event sadly proves it. Look at Madrid last year-191 people dead, at to the fact of London- 50 or more dead. I hate to say it, but I believe America's next.

 

[Bib]

Kal,

>It is a terrible tragedy, but once again I think it proves that George Bush and Co. have a distorted view of the world. "We'll fight the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them at home."-GWB. Unfortunately, this dosen't hold true anymore. You can't fight terrorism with violence, and this event sadly proves it. Look at Madrid last year-191 people dead, at to the fact of London- 50 or more dead. I hate to say it, but I believe America's next.<

Please do not open up this stupid shit can of worms. How do you know what the results would have been of doing nothing? There may have been thousands of more terrorist acts in the last three years. You are so full of shit. Terrorist acts have been occuring consistantly since the late 70's. Since taking an offensive stance, terrorist acts, outside of the middle east, have gone down.

But there WILL be many more terrorist acts whatever we do. I believe more if we do not take action.

You still do not understand the nature of the enemy, what their plans are, how they intend to destroy the west. Until you do, you have no idea of how to even approach the problem.

At least do not throw our weak bullshit, attacking Bush with crap that does not apply to the facts.

Bigger

 

[koooky]

"You still do not understand the nature of the enemy, what their plans are, how they intend to destroy the west. Until you do, you have no idea of how to even approach the problem." --Bib


And WHO does understand the nature of the enemy, what their plans are, and how they intend to destroy the west? Is it someone in the Bush admin? I don't think you could lump all of the various terrorist groups together as just "the enemy". I would bet it would be safe to say that some of them would cease and desist ALL terror activities against the west(USA) if the USA would completely withdraw from the ME.

WHat IF thats all it took? What if the complete withdraw of American forces and interest in the Middle East would solve all of OUR terror worries? What would happen? Would they go back to just killing each other on a mass scale? Who knows. But I would bet that this could be part of a permanent solution.

But, I also realize that this is completely out of touch with reality. As long as there is oil there, America will always try to have some control/interest in the area.

kook

 

[Kal-el]

originally posted by Bib:

But there WILL be many more terrorist acts whatever we do. I believe more if we do not take action.

You still do not understand the nature of the enemy, what their plans are, how they intend to destroy the west. Until you do, you have no idea of how to even approach the problem.

Bib, George Bush has definetly increased world terror by the desicions he makes. For instance, after September 11, 2001, if he would'nt have started a war, would have given more support to Palestinians, recieved more Palestinian refugees, brought home the military from Saudi Arabia, cancel the economic sanctions against Iraq (that killed over 500,000 children), ask Israel to destroy their wmd's, and if he gave as much money to Arab countries as it gives to Israel, these kind acts would have brought world peace which would have dramatically brought down the number of potential terrorists.

And the reason my arguement focuses on Bush is because I believe he made alot of horrible desicions. Nothing Clinton said nor did got us involved in this quagmire. Yes, Clinton did send bombs over Iraq in 1998 (operation Desert Fox), because Iraq kicked out weapons inspectors, but mostly he wanted to take away attention from his impending impeacHydromaxent hearings. I do not agree with the things Clinton did either, but he was definetly the "lesser of 2 evils". Anyway, if he dosen't start ww111 by 2008, or get himself impeached by then, he will go down in history as one of the most fraudulent Presidents ever.

 

[Kal-el]

(CNN)- The number of Americans who believe the war in Iraq has made the US less safe from terrorism spiked sharply after last week's terror attacks in London

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/11/bush.terror/index.html

There it is, more Americans are cowering in the face of terrorism than ever because of the London bombing.


Wake up people!

 

[penguinsfan]

What has my curiosity in this attack will be England's response; where the US took forever and a day to mount an attack against the "suspected" perpetrators of 9/11 (and I don't mean Iraq), England has a history of retaliating very fast. But they have to find the corrcet source of the attacks. They can't act on the first tip. Everybody wants it to be al-Queda. But one must be sure first before a swift attack is launched.

Well, it's been five days. GWB laid out his demands to Afghanistan in 8 days and that looks to be pretty good, considering the damage was probably 1,000 times greater, though not the death rate. Of course England has to make sure it's al-Qaeda, but what if it is? What are they going to do? Send troops to hunt down bin Laden near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border? I think they're already doing that. I'm sure had the US launched a retaliation on 9/12/01 this post of yours would be about how England should take extreme caution in reacting too swiftly, like the Americans did.

Look, I think Bush is the biggest asshole since Jimmy Carter, if not worse. It's not that hard to find legitimate criticisms of the man, but some of your threads are so ridiculous they take away from otherwise good points. I'm sure before hurricane season is up, I'll enjoy your thread about how Bush used HAARP to inflict floods and damage in counties that voted for John Kerry.

And what the fuck is with the term "suspected" perpetrators of 9/11 ?

 

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by penguinsfan:

Well, it's been five days. GWB laid out his demands to Afghanistan in 8 days and that looks to be pretty good, considering the damage was probably 1,000 times greater, though not the death rate. Of course England has to make sure it's al-Qaeda, but what if it is? What are they going to do? Send troops to hunt down bin Laden near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border? I think they're already doing that. I'm sure had the US launched a retaliation on 9/12/01 this post of yours would be about how England should take extreme caution in reacting too swiftly, like the Americans did.

England's hunting Bin Laden? That's news to me. W sent 10,000 troops into Afganistan, that's a joke, there's more of a police force in some major cities. And when Bin Laden was corned in the Tora Bora mountains, W diverted US troops to Iraq, and "passed the buck" of finding UBL up to afgan rebels, who in the previous week, we were fighting against. So you see, its a kindergarden operation.

And what the fuck is with the term "suspected" perpetrators of 9/11 ?

It is fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were of Saudi dissent. Since that's the case, then why did we invade Iraq? None of the hijackers were Iraqi or were affiliated with Saddam's regime.

 

[longTom]

Very sad, I cant belive how evil people can be.
It was going to happen sooner rather than later, but still its terrible and a massive shock.
Lets hope we catch those responsible and get them to justice.
The UK will never be beaten by terrorists, no one can break the Brtiish heart, try as you may you wont beat us.
The Germans tried and failed, and so will the extremeists, we wont do what some do and invade from anger but do it in a political sensible fashion.
This attack was on ALL races, ALL ages, ALL sexs, ALL and EVERYTHING...no descrimination was in the attack, just to kill and terrorize us brits.....hey you failed, cos we are getting back to normal life again and GOD HELP you when we catch your sorry arses.

GO GET EM RED!!!!!!!!
Glad to see /hear you are ok.

 

[iwant8inches]

Kal,

>It is a terrible tragedy, but once again I think it proves that George Bush and Co. have a distorted view of the world. "We'll fight the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them at home."-GWB. Unfortunately, this dosen't hold true anymore. You can't fight terrorism with violence, and this event sadly proves it. Look at Madrid last year-191 people dead, at to the fact of London- 50 or more dead. I hate to say it, but I believe America's next.<

Please do not open up this stupid shit can of worms. How do you know what the results would have been of doing nothing? There may have been thousands of more terrorist acts in the last three years. You are so full of shit. Terrorist acts have been occuring consistantly since the late 70's. Since taking an offensive stance, terrorist acts, outside of the middle east, have gone down.

But there WILL be many more terrorist acts whatever we do. I believe more if we do not take action.

You still do not understand the nature of the enemy, what their plans are, how they intend to destroy the west. Until you do, you have no idea of how to even approach the problem.

At least do not throw our weak bullshit, attacking Bush with crap that does not apply to the facts.

Bigger

Why would doing nothing be an option in the first place? Who has ever suggested that? The Iraq invasion/occupation has done nothing positive when it comes to deterring and preventing terrorist acts. It's added fuel to the fire if anything and done plenty to take away effort and man power in the country of Afghanistan for one. On the subject, It was a horrible thing done and justice hopefully will prevail.

 

[penguinsfan]

England's hunting Bin Laden? That's news to me. W sent 10,000 troops into Afganistan, that's a joke, there's more of a police force in some major cities. And when Bin Laden was corned in the Tora Bora mountains, W diverted US troops to Iraq, and "passed the buck" of finding UBL up to afgan rebels, who in the previous week, we were fighting against. So you see, its a kindergarden operation.

England and all the NATO allies have sent troops to hunt bin Laden, as well as other countries such as Canada. Remember the Canadians that were mistakenly killed by US forces? Well, they were there in the effort to hunt bin Laden.

I do agree that not enough military might has been directed towards the effort in Afghanistan. I don't know how much more troops would help in the effort. There are issues of terrain that make airpower a little more relevant than manpower, when compared to Iraq. Nevertheless, I will agree that more needs done in that campaign. I'll even concede that relying on locals to carry the bulk of hunting bin Laden down in Tora Bora may have been a blunder, but it's not the colossal blunder that some make it out to be. Some of those locals were familiar with the underground tunnel systems in that area, whereas the US troops had no familiarity with them at all. It's obviously a tough call to make and perhaps the wrong one was made. Others would have likely made blunders too. I remember when John Kerry was talking about how Bush "outsourced" that job. It made for a nice talking point in a debate, but Kerry didn't have the right ideas either. He has repeated opposed developing bunker busting nukes and one could have come in handy in that very Tora Bora situation, for what it's worth. At any rate, while mistakes have undoubtedly been made, nothing you said made any more sense of your comment that the US took forever to respond.

It is fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were of Saudi dissent. Since that's the case, then why did we invade Iraq? None of the hijackers were Iraqi or were affiliated with Saddam's regime.

The short answer is that it has nothing to do with where these individuals were born, though I don't trust the Saudi government at all. Assuming Hussein al-Husseini had nothing to do with the bombing in Oklahoma City and Timothy McVeigh acted alone, should we have bombed Buffalo, NY since it was McVeigh's hometown? We went into Afghanistan because that was were al-Qaeda was operating out of and their standing government refused to bring them to justice. That brings me to point out that again your original post was about the US response to 9/11 and bringing up Iraq is an entirely separate argument.