Some People....

OK so everything is all a lie. Most of what is on the Egyptian walls is in picture form. Pictures of planets that were only discovered in the last few centuries yet were depicted on these walls so long ago. The history of the Zodiac then also being a lie. All of these monuments around the world that are physical proof of an advanced knowledge is also a lie. To say one thing is a lie and another isn't when both are coming from before you were alive to view it doesn't make sense.

I never said the bible was not true but to say the bible is the truth and what was written by Persians, Egyptians and Babalonians isn't.. well that is the reason that I started posting in this thread in the first place. It's truly amazing how people act towards religion. It always starts with one saying their religion is above all others. It always ends with them saying theirs is the truth and all others are lies but both are from a time where it is uncertain.

The religious will tell you that believing in science and that we are all some cosmic accident is considered satanic. The scientists will tell you that religion is pure nonsense. They both have one very clear thing in common however. Whether you believe in one or the other they both let you know at an early age that you are not in control of your life. Either everything happens because God has us on a set path or that we are just and accident. Ancients believed we are in complete control of our lives and the energy we have is used to create our own existence.

Now you say that the Illuminati is also a lie. Well then that means Adam Weishaupt never lived in order to establish it in 1776. Also means that the Knights Templar would have never been able to start up in Europe long before that.

Let us hope it is all a lie and that someone will come from the skies and save us as we are incapable of doing so ourselfs.

millionman said:

I would like to suggest going through and looking up the info I'm presenting here, so that you can see that this is not made up infomartion that I got from someone and am simply regurgitating what I heard or read. The information is freely available. Ohhh, and the Roman Emperor Nero liked to set Christians on fire to light his garden parties....made up religion I don't think so.....at least not by the romans as you contend.....

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I know about Emporer Nero and how he got his people to burn Christians. Because he burns them doesn't mean that a Roman was not the one to pass the religion along.

Since you know of Emporer Nero, do you know how he got his people to turn against the Christians?

He did it the same way Hitler got the masses on his side after burning the Reichstag building. Nero did the same thing. Created a problem, waited for the reaction of the masses and then offered his solution. You see the Roman people had no problem killing Christians once they learned of what the Christians "supposeably" did according to Nero.

Also I see this same type of thing happening today. Problems being created and blamed on other people, the reaction of the massess is "you have to do something about this we are not able to do so ourselves". The solution is then offered by the controlling force.

One last thing. If I am to read what you speak of would that not mean that you are "regurgitating" something that you read??

People gain their knowledge from somewhere usually reading and if they were not alive to see it with their own eyes once they pass this knowledge it would be from those who were there to see it. Wouldn't you agree?

This thread is starting to vere off from where I was originally going when I first posted. So I will state it out in the open.

How is it possible that one religion could be so closely related, if not a direct version of 3 other folk tales told by ancients. It was stated by these three that these were tales to educate people and not a religion. How could these 3 stories that were admitted fictional suddenly turn into a religion that is the truth.

Well of course the obvious answer I am guessing is because these other 3 are just lies and the truth is with the one that was made into a religion. The reason it is the truth is because there is a bible and church every sunday so that would make it the absolute and any other religion would be false. Also because the priests and passing this knowledge are very corrupt and like to put their hands down little boys pants. Doesn't seem to holy to me...

Then one would say "Well that's not the Christians it's the Catholics that molest little boys". If someone can present to me a difference between the two that is like night and day then I am all ears.

I do know the churches up here make 5-6 figures a week. They are able to build churches the size of high class movie theatres. Their bathroom counters are made of granite. They even went so far as to have atm machine outlets installed under the seats so that donation of any type is a possibility. They have all this money yet they still want donations?? Sounds more like a corporation to me.

It was stated in this thread that those who aren't of this religion are ignorrant and im-moral. This is the only reason I had posted here. I am not too sure but if you believe your religion to be the only truth and everything else to be a lie, wouldn't that be ignorrant or at least closed minded. Also I remember reading somewhere that according to a certain religion animals have no souls. Well they are alive and the same energy making them is making us so what makes us that more advanced. I do know that animals live to their potential whereas the human masses act more like sheep. Always looking outside for the answers instead of from within. Blaming those for their problems instead of looking inside to see what they did to create these problems in order to fix them. It is no wonder that the ones who do think were able to guide the rest and do with them what they pleased.

In conclusion, I have no problem with religion and I am glad those believe in something. I myself am open to all possibilities and if one can bring something to my attention that would push me in the religious direction I am more than happy to listen. I do however believe that I am in control of my life and I won't be convinced that no matter what I do I am not in control. Thinking like that to me is giving up and keeping me vulnerable to someone else trying to control my life since I am already conditioned for it.

K_420

kausion - i feel you completely, anyone that is absoulutely SURE they are right, are usually wrong and will never be able to admit it....Bush cough cough......but thats another subject. Almost all religons give a promise of what humans have wanted since the beginning of time, eternal life. Throughout history, fear has been used as a mechanism of human control and it can be argued in Christian religon that the threat of an eternal hell if you do not follow us is used more than the great destiny their God has chosen for his special animals....and yes we are all ANIMALS. there is no way around it. Just because we can convince ourselves that we have a higher purpose does not make us any different from any other living being on this earth. And our "intelligence" that taught us all these subjective lessons is what keeps 99% of people from opening their minds and looking at the world that surrounds us. I'd like to close this rant by saying I do not know if there is a greater Being...I have not with my own eyes seen any proof. I can conjure and theorize that everything from the inner workings of our bodies to the great detail of the universe did not come about by chance. The only thing any of us can be sure of in this life is that every single one of us will die....there is no way around it...everything else is a mystery.

Nero had too much fun torturing and killing Christians. He didn't have to "create" a problem, he told soldoers to go find people who are preaching about Jesus and bring them to me. That's all that was said, guaranteed. You can assume that these things are true, then why is it impossible to believe that there is One God, a Son and the Holy Spirit. Of all the things that you've read I'm sure you don't accept all of it as fact. There are so many conflicting stories about the illuiminati who do you believe??? As I see it you could possibly make this arguement about Christianity as well, but the central problem with that is each group believes the same thing, Christ died and rose again on the third day, the details are where people struggle to "co-exist" and was not the Lord's plan for His church. NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT CONTROL AND MANIPULATION. Despite what seems to be strongly held by K420. If you examine the words of Christ you will see he is not about control or manipulation. He was a servant before anything else....if He had wanted to He had the choice to be the greatest Rabbi of all and to be honored and praised for that...but yet He gave himself up. Does that sound like someone who sought power and control??? You have to examine His life, and you can do that through Historical and Biblical means. He is written about by several Jewish and Roman historians for the things he did and the events that followed His death, such as the skies blackening and the entire earth shaking, are actual events that are documented. It is amazing to me, that with all of your intelligence and all of your knowledge that you do not see what is directly in front of you. You can search high and low, looking around corners, thinking for your self all day long..... but what is it if there is no purpose to life, if we are just rats in a cage..... WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT??? There would be none, which means I should shoot myself in the head cause it wouldn't matter anyway. You can believe what you want about the supposed stories, but again who's to say that this is true.... if everything is subject to control then why not say that true FAITH is a myth, and that it can amount to nothing.... People would give up...stop fighting...and the game would be won.... but yet there is truth... there is right and wrong.... and there is FAITH and there is one true God and one Savior.... It's your choice.... if you take anything from this, I want you to understand that I can see where you are coming from..... and I understand the things of this world.... There is so much greater things that we can accomplish and experience when we realize that not of myself I do these things but in the power and Grace of God I can do these things. Of all the times I've posted this I've never gotten anyone to PM or email me for my testimony.....I should just post it one day..... but until you have experienced the Lord first hand.... You can not understand. By the way I've said this before as well....I wasn't raised in church, so no one has control over my mind.....but yet I walk by Faith everyday.... if you want to hear my story you can hit me up any time.....

Im not sure what to make of what I have just read. I do know you still never answered my question regarding the other 3 stories that are almost identical.

To say this truth religion is right in front of our faces and noone noticing would be no different than what I state about things being right in front of our faces and noone noticing. It's hypocrisy IMO.

To say we may as well give up the fight. I look around and I don't see anyone fighting. I see fighting in the physical sense (useless wars) but I don't see anyone striving to put an end to anything. I see people sitting around. Some sitting around waiting for the second coming of christ to save the day. The others sitting around waiting for someone else to fix the problem.

To say their is one true GOD and one true SAVIOR brings me back to what I said about the animals. To say we are the only form of life out there and that GOD is up in the heavens and sent us a SAVIOR when the universe goes on for ever is a bit arrogant. Yes we may be the only planet life form in this solar system but things spread out a lot farther than that.

I am interested however about the part where you stated you felt the Lord first hand. Please explain this to me.

millionman said:

NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT CONTROL AND MANIPULATION. Despite what seems to be strongly held by K420. If you examine the words of Christ you will see he is not about control or manipulation. He was a servant before anything else....if He had wanted to He had the choice to be the greatest Rabbi of all and to be honored and praised for that...but yet He gave himself up. Does that sound like someone who sought power and control???

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We are taught to live in the image of Christ......servants......to who? to God? to Christianity? to America? the answer is to whoever we believe our fate lies in the hands of. I dont get how you cant see some form of social control in religon...not to say religon is wrong, but please acknowledge religion functions as social control. think about the other side of things sometime before you force your beliefs on others.
-DG

kausion_420 said:

I am interested however about the part where you stated you felt the Lord first hand. Please explain this to me.

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ditto

millionman said:

So PrinceAlbert you're an atheist because God loves and protects you??? Or are you an atheist because you have a better perspective on this "god concept, or is God a hoax made up to control the weak minded people of the world??? Please, inform me as to why you are an atheist.

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Im an atheist because by the time i was 11 i had seen 6 members of my close family pass away in various nasty ways,WERE WAS YOUR FUCKING LOVING AND PROTECTING GOD THEN!!!!!.

Were was your loving and protecting god when those young school kids in russia were butched.

I could go on and on listing cases were innocent babies children adults have been murdered abused ect. so please tell me how am i supposed to believe in a god that loves and PROTECTS us.

prince Albert said:

Im an atheist because by the time i was 11 i had seen 6 members of my close family pass away in various nasty ways,WERE WAS YOUR FUCKING LOVING AND PROTECTING GOD THEN!!!!!.

Were was your loving and protecting god when those young school kids in russia were butched.

I could go on and on listing cases were innocent babies children adults have been murdered abused ect. so please tell me how am i supposed to believe in a god that loves and PROTECTS us.

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I used to think the exact same way as you do. Which is why out of everything I have heard I had to draw myself closer to the one that makes the most sense for me.

If one believes GOD to be all conciousness all energy then it would mean that GOD would be more of an omipotent energy than a good energy. Which then means GOD is neither good nor bad but everything that is created. So anything bad that could happen to us or those around us would be created by us and not this GOD who is supposed to be good but then all these bad things happen.

Highly religious believe their is this GOD up in the heavens who has to be good because thats just the truth. I can bring myself to believe in a SAVIOR that is good but saying GOD is only good doesn't answer a lot of questions.

Some will call it faith when things happen because you believe. How I see it faith is a positive form of energy that you are projecting and in return you are getting back what you send out. When a person blames eveyone around them for their problems they are sending out a different form of energy and in return never get anywhere because what they are putting out they are getting back. As soon as they decide to look from within to change their problems, something in their life changes. Whether someone comes into it or some obstacle that gets them over it. The natural reaction to this is again to look outside themselves and say "If it wasn't for god bring you, or this thing into my life I would have been screwed". How I see it this was no accident or fate, it was what they created for themselves.

On one side you have a religious person who tells you their religion is the truth, denies all other possibilities and says out of all the living creatures their is only one GOD for them. To me that is arrogance.

On the other side whenever something happens in their life from which they created, they say that it is because GOD did it and it couldn't have happened any other way. "Have faith mate, GOD did it". So on one side you have arrogance but on the other its almost a sense of weakness having to blame someone else for the good and the bad instead of themselves. Seems like a contradiction to me.

AlloyCG said:

May be wrong about what?

Non-Christians can get their morals from anywhere a Christian can. A non-Christian can strive to be a "moral" person by evaluating ethics and humility. Values can originate from family, friends, role models, or one's self. Because someone does not live by the Bible's teachings does not mean they have no interest in civility, decency, integrity, care for others, and generativity.

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The ratio thing
As Kong says Sometimes I answer with humor or
like beboxbob sometimes I'm just a smart ass,
once in awhile I just blow it. I'm human I have my bad moods as well as anyone else
Being Dyslexic My answers sometimes sound good in my head but suck when written down.

Vader oops! I was't on a fishing expedition, didn't mean to open a can of worms!

Prince Albert as bad as things are they could have been worse You could have died as well.
btw I lost My Grandmother, Dad, 5 aunts, 4 uncles in less
than two years and I wanted to die as well but I moved on
and now that I have 3 kids of my own I now Know that death is just part of life, and how precious life is.
more than my $.02

Digenius....I appreciate your cocern for me "forcing" my beliefs on others....yeah absolutely I should keep the Gospel to myself.... If you think church is social control then you may very well be right, but Jesus Christ was not interested in social control. He did not say do this but not this.... The two commandments under the New Covenant of His blood is to love your Lord God with all your heart mind body and soul, and to love others as I have loved.... Meaning to love as Christ loved.... DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOCIAL CONTROL TO YOU..... cause it does not sound like it to me.... Do not step to me and feel it is your right to alert me to the otherside of the issues.... I have been on the other side of the issues, I've argued against Christianity for a majority of my adult life..... Yet, I am now a believer and follower of Christ because of what he has done for me personally..... FIRSTHAND experience being I was at home this weekend a girl I knew from HS had suddenly fallen sick....doctors didn't know what was wrong with her, and they said there was little to no hope.... A good friend of mind notified me of this on Sunday night.... We spread the word and had people praying for her healing... Within two days.... she had gotten better... and is soon to be released from the hospital.... The doctors have no idea how she got better, because they had no idea what was wrong with her.... FAITH is all it takes....

As for death and for family members/ friend dying..... The Lord knows what He is doing.... Everything fits into His plan.... Death may not make sense to us, but He understands.... You may not like this explanation, but how about this.... Why did all but one of the original twelve die....either being stoned to death, crucified, or crucified upside down.... why did He choose these men to die??? Because it fulfills His word....

To k420.... The Lord is not Good nor bad.... He's beyond us... Our mind can not encapsulate who He is... so most people assume Him to be of a "good" nature.... But yet the Word says nothing of the sort.... But God is love.... That is what the Word describes Him as... If a God were good then how could he let His one and only Son die on the Cross.... You criticize my faith because "I" claim to be right.... I claim nothing... Christ claimed to be the only way...."I am the way the truth and the life, no one cometh to the father but by me".... He claims to be God...performs miracles for people to see.... The leaders/power mongers of the day would have stepped forward and corrected any misleading details of the new testament as it was preached.... You would not have had Christ dying on the cross if he was lying.... Who would die for such a thing so brutally if it were false... He handled the trappings of the pharisees in front of thousands of people... He rose again on the third day..... This fact alone can stand on grounds for true faith.... People don't just move 2,000 lbs boulders out of the way, and not to mention the centurions were there to watch over it..... So tell me does this sound made up.... Cause you can go back and see the prophecies from about 4,000 years ago that describe the house of which Christ would come....the way of his birth.... ummm...let's see described his death on a tree.... and that He himself predicted He would be risen again on the third day.... How could a man predict His own resurrection if he were false??? This is not some story....

We could talk about Paul....or John the Baptist....or Peter.... all of whom went to their death believing in the Christ.... Would these men have died for a lie??? I understand where someone will say that muslims die as well...these situations are wholly different... they are choosing to blow themselves up... they are not being set on fire at a garden party for preaching the Gospel.... Two similar outcomes.... Completely different motivations....

As far as my abilities to change my entire life.... Ummm yeah that didn't happen.... My personality is the same as it were.... But because I know the Lord intimately and can feel the Holy spirit dwelling within me.... I am a wholly different person.... I would have not made it this far... if it weren't for the Lord... there were things consuming me that I never even noticed.... that no one had brought to my attention.... But yet these things are gone... not by a conscious decisiong on my part... But I was made aware of these things and took decisive actions against them... It was the most excrutiating experience of my life.... not in a physical way... but in a heart way my life was destroyed after these things were taken away... Why would I have made a concious decision to harm myself??? Why would I have decided today I'm going to go through HELL just so I can take credit and to say how horrible it was??? No I did it because our Father in Heaven withdrew me from these things because He has a plan and is directing my life.... I thought I had it all planned out... My mind had been turned over... And I am going a complete opposite direction of where I was headed.... Is this by my decisions... nothing overt comes to mind to think of what I have done... I've gone about my days and done as I should.... I'm not a sunshiney person... never have been... But yet I stand firm in Faith and declare that the Lord Jesus Christ is saviour to all.... Would I have done this before??? NO.... Not in a million years would I have thought I was not self sufficient that I could have achieves my own salvation because I was good.... Yet we all have sin, and no one explains how to rid ourselves of the sin nature.... and it drags us into places we never imagined.... It did me.... Yet, Christ came so that all may live....and so that we may be dead to the sin nature.... That's the biggest difference between Christ and everyone else... claimed to be God and could forgive sins.... How is that possible??? How could a man do this??? How could a God love us so as to give us fellowship through Him??? These are things one should ask... and it's your choice.... not mine... I know where I stand... I walk forward embracing everyday, because I am not guaranteed tomorrow.... there is no greater freedom than that which is experienced through Christ Jesus. Most people will turn down Christ because they feel it's too limiting.... it's limiting in the carnal sense of things, yes it is very much so.... Wait till you get married and enjoy your wife more than anything you ever imagined.... Put the bottle down and stop seeking after emptiness.... Well, I like to be drunk... Yet Paul says it is better to be drunk in the spirit... And it is... I've done both.... People are not willing to admit that they fall short... that we are self sufficient and our destinies are self-made.... You have choice... God has allowed that since the GARDEN.... we make choices we pay consequences... and we go down a road.... it's our choice which road we go down... We are in control of ourselves completely.... but when you become a living sacrifice to the Lord He will guide your mind.... because you have received the mind of Christ... The Lord is a huge part in making decisions.... cause on faith alone can we walk...not by sight....I know that the Lord watches over me.... If it's His will I'll live till I'm 99, if it's his will he can take my life tonight... Until then I'll praise Him.... Doesn't matter ultimately when I die, it's not my choice... but I know I won't be gone till my purpose is fulfilled.....

I believe, our spritits leave our bodies when we pass. Some stuck on earth not knowing they died, some there for a reason, to protect, care and watch over their nearest. And some chose to enter a place we call heaven, which I really think is just like the place we live on know. The history repeats it self.

I do not believe there is a god, lord or one only superior.
I think everyone of us are special in some kind of way, possibly not knowing it already.
Some people I believe have gifts over the classified normal.
Those who deside to be priests, rabbies, monks and other believing things, have chosen to help those who need help.

I also believe that the world dont hold a Devil, Satan, Lucifer nor a Jesus Christ, God...

That was just people who lived long back, and they acted that way. Some were good, some others evil. Which side are you? Any man, woman, child or animal can be evil.

For me it feels like the world is a prison, consentration-camp and a zoo, all mixed.

"The strongest survive, the weakest fall for the strongest and the strongest never excisted."

GhosT_DoGG said:

I believe, our spritits leave our bodies when we pass. Some stuck on earth not knowing they died, some there for a reason, to protect, care and watch over their nearest. And some chose to enter a place we call heaven, which I really think is just like the place we live on know. The history repeats it self.

I do not believe there is a god, lord or one only superior.
I think everyone of us are special in some kind of way, possibly not knowing it already.
Some people I believe have gifts over the classified normal.
Those who deside to be priests, rabbies, monks and other believing things, have chosen to help those who need help.

I also believe that the world dont hold a Devil, Satan, Lucifer nor a Jesus Christ, God...

That was just people who lived long back, and they acted that way. Some were good, some others evil. Which side are you? Any man, woman, child or animal can be evil.

For me it feels like the world is a prison, consentration-camp and a zoo, all mixed.

"The strongest survive, the weakest fall for the strongest and the strongest never excisted."

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I believe there has to be some form of a "god" watching over us all. But then again Im a very spiritual person so haha i dont know. but thats juss me. I do believe in the gift of the 6th sense, and the "third eye" as they call it. it might be off the subject what im saying but that's what i believe in. I've had alot of experiences with that kinda shit, it's pretty freaky sometimes.

Hey Ghost can you explain that last quote.... I understand it...I think but I'm looking for some clarification... Let me ask you this though... How did we get here??? Were we a cosmic "accident".... And if people can "choose" to go to heaven then why wouldn't all want to go to heaven??? Why would anyone choose to stay on earth, especially with the view of it as a concentration camp??? Yet at the same time the Lord Jesus Christ existed... and performed miraculous things...He revolutionized the world.... For those who are wondering Satan does not hold the same powers/authority of God, they are not equal in anyway.... He is the deceiver and manipulator of this world....He is not omniscient or omnipresent.... He has other "workers" as well as himself.... Without Satan and his minions would we have had mass genocides such as in Nazi Germany, would we have had a power such as the Communist party in Russia that the leadership killed members of their own party and millions of citizens....Who could imagine these things to be possible.... they did not believe it to be possible at the time of their occurances, people were absolutely shocked at these horrors.... satan is very real and you can see him in many things in this world... it's not with rose colored glasses either... There are signs of his work everywhere.... North Korea and the mass murders that take place there.... There is extreme poverty and hunger that possesses the world.... The leaders of the world are not truly seeking the guidance of the Lord for these problems would be getting better and not worse... Yet power mongering and eltisim is a ruling authority...and this is not of the Lord as Christ fed thousands and looked after the poor as exemplified when the Poor man rested in the bosom of abraham and the rich man dwelled in Hell.... The Lord has turned us over to our own devices and sin.... as can be seen through Revelations and also in Ezekiel and Daniel... The last days of Zion.... Ohhh, and K420 The NWO is scriptural as written by Daniel about 4,000 years ago.... So yes you can see these things in God's word as well, and that is one of the ways I have been checking the information I read....

In 1963 the Lord was publicly evicted from all things involving public life.... our Supreme Court declared a separation from Church and State... read this article.... http://goodnewschristianministry.org/withoutgod.htm If you think it's a conincidence...fine....yet the word mentions these things specifically and was written about 3000 years ago.... Could it be that the Word of God is the truth.... Honestly, we can walk around in darkenss all day if we choose.....but if we open our eyes to what's going on in our lands we will see the truth... As K420 points out we should be more active and I agree with him in principal... It's not the end of the world... but the window of opportunity is closing and it is very important for the believers and faithful men and women of Christ to stand up and be accounted for.... Alert the world of the good news and they will come to know Christ.... Don't be deceived by your own mind... it is misleading... I thought I knew it all and I realized I know nothing and could explain nothing.... It's not blind faith...... The Lord has given us His word to be our sword... that is the weapon I choose.... If there is issue with the Word I can find none.. I've tried to fault it and it proved futile.... Enjoy the article and you can make the decision as you read it whether or not God exists and if His word is true....

Awsome posts good enlightenment. Glad to see your powerful belief in faith. We both believe in the same thing but I don't see it from the religious point of view. What I call positive energy you call faith but in the end both will create a better life for you.

Now back to my original question. According to Persian culture and the folk tale of Mythra where he had been tortured and burried and after 3 days rose from his grave if you want to call it that. The history behind the Zodiac and how the sun symbolically dies for 3 days and then rises again. Why is it that these 3 folk tales and the history of the Zodiac almost identical to the story of Christ?

Christ being the "son of god". Christ having 12 deciples broken into 4 groups of 3 and dying on a cross rising after 3 days. Now the zodiac and the folk tales stating God as all conciousness the source of all energy being the "sun of god". The zodiac is broken up into 4 groups of 3 separated by a cross with the sun placed on it. The sun also rises after 3 days according to these 3 and the zodiac.

Wasn't Peter the one who denied Christ or was there more than one Peter?

I have never understood how two concepts, one of which I agree with, can coexist. I believe we all have free will. I don't believe that if God or whatever you believe in has a plan where you die whenever "He" wants you to. I don't think those two things can exist at the same time if we truly have our own lives to live freely which are affected by the choices we make and are affected by the way we were born,(physical psychological aspects) the way we were raised, and what and where we were born into, and who we meet. It just doesn't make sense to me when there are choices in most anything we partake in life and whenever there seems like there aren't any it is usually because we or someone else has made a few decisions that has left us in the situation we find ourselves in at that point. Look at any one situation that happens particularly where someone dies. You can always look back to how it all happened if enough investigation is put into it and all variables/factors are included. You can find out how. Why things happen? Eh, not so much. Because most of the time that question means why did it have to happen that way. How, we can say for sure. How did he get hit by that car? He walked across the road without looking both ways for traffic and the driver didn't stop. Why things happen are complicated at times. Blame or fault and where or whom to place it is where many disagree.

If I were to give someone this Christmas a gift certificate at a store and they go out and get into a car accident the day they were going to spend it and die is it God's plan? Was that what was supposed to happen? Or if that person's mother decided to go for a ride with that person as well and she died was it her time too because He said so? Was their whole life leading up to this one event because it was some divine plan? No way. It just can't be. Or was it more like the day they went out it was raining and someone's car hydroplaned and knocked into their car causing them to get hit by a car head on? They didn't have to go on this day just like the person with the hydroplaning car didn't have take that road to work, but he did. I mean that guy when he took the plant job that was an hour commute to work didn't expect he would ever kill anyone in an accident he inadvertently caused. The possibility was there though. When someone is on trial for something they did wrong can they just say that is was supposed to happen? No, it happened because when someone pulls the trigger of a loaded gun it usually fires a bullet and hits something. If what you mean by supposed to or it was meant to happen in the sense that if you do A then B is supposed to happen then yeah okay I can follow that. We are living our lives and making choices. I'm going to the bank tomorrow. I've already decided. However, I don't know whether or not someone is planning on robbing that bank tomorrow. If they are I would like to know and at what time, but I can't possibly know that or plan for it. However the possibility is there. If I go and am shot or stabbed and die there I want you guys to know it was because I decided to go to a bank where someone had planned to rob it and decided to shoot or stab me. I certainly don't want to think this was His plan. I mean I read on here that we are not naturally good. No shit. That much is evident. So then it would makes sense when someone says WE are the cause of all bad things. Why is it not okay to say that good things, bad things, ?neutral? things happen by chance and choice? Wouldn't it be okay to assume that God has left us alone to do what we can and has left us some words of guidance? If you believe life ends and begins because of God has a plan for everyone then fine. Believe that. I'm not going to say it's wrong. I'm asking how the two things I mentioned can exist. Explain. I want to know! Seriously. I'm looking for answers. The way it may sound I know it sounds condescending, but if someone knows something that I don't then damn it I want to know too. Hey, it'll affect me.

My point is we have choices we make and it just so happens there is more than just ourselves out there in the world. There are others making choices everyday just like we are. And sometimes we happen to just oh I don't know converge in some odd way and we don't know how to deal with it even though we know it can happen. There is the possibility that we might just die on any day. It's going to happen sooner or later. But to say that it wasn't chance and that it was supposed to happen because that's His plan, makes no sense whatsoever. We are all the same beings and we are all living and affecting each other every day in ways that we can't see coming. That's all. That's it. Nothing more nothing less than just chance. It could happen or it might not, but one thing is for sure there's going to be some answers as to how it happened. Why it happened? We can't always find it in ourselves to answer that one. I mean we can't plan for everything, but we still have to live our lives and that means accepting that it's not always going to work out, but because sometimes things do that it must mean we have to at least try and know we have control over our actions. We live by the choices we make and the consequences that follow.

millionman said:

It's not the end of the world... but the window of opportunity is closing and it is very important for the believers and faithful men and women of Christ to stand up and be accounted for.... Alert the world of the good news and they will come to know Christ.... Don't be deceived by your own mind... it is misleading... I thought I knew it all and I realized I know nothing and could explain nothing.... It's not blind faith...... The Lord has given us His word to be our sword... that is the weapon I choose.... If there is issue with the Word I can find none.. I've tried to fault it and it proved futile.... Enjoy the article and you can make the decision as you read it whether or not God exists and if His word is true....

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THere goes the damning end of the world talk from the devout Christian again....isnt it weird how people want to send you to hell from not believing in their beliefs....ive had enough of arguing over this...people...there are no answers...obviously millionman has recieved has answers through an encounter with God...he claims he was different until this encounter..so I hope God is a just God and gives me this same privelege of recieving a one on one encounter...that seems like somethin a God of love would do right? fairness right? BICKERING WILL NOT ENLIGHTEN YOU