Some People....

There are some people who never seem to quite let things go. This has become a trend here at MOS, and I wish as men we could come together and share in this brotherhood, or community, and enjoy ourselves. There's so much static and tension between certain folks that it's unnerving. I've not really been involved in it personally but reading it makes my head hurt. Can we please get past the arrogance and ignorance and go back to being MOS. This is a forum dedicated to Penis Enlargement.....so can we get back to the issues at hand as opposed to running around acting like a bunch of pompous bafoons. Let's move on from this and grow as a community and have some fellowship. I'd open us in a prayer, it's be a great time. We'd all sit around drinking hot coccoa, and DLD would bring his cardigan sweater...wait that's not a sweater...hairy beast....anyway....

Stop the childishness and be grownups. For the young guys who can't seem to control their opinions and seem to be bringing the attitude down, please please behave better. There's no reason to start spouting anything at me for this, if you look inwardly you will see how immature you have been acting. This is not a judgement of fact, or of how I see things. This is how it is and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

The Lord watches over all things, and takes care of everyone. Are we any less than the birds of the air.....You may think this to be odd....but look deeper....we as men can help each other and to lift each other up, not to tear down. If the Lord watches out for the birds and Us al like....can't we also be used to look after each other. Am I my brother's keeper??? Absolutely.

Unfortunately and fortunately, this forum IS NOT solely penis enlargement. It's much more than that. It's a home, so to speak. We are brothers. We love each other, help each other, share with each other, argue with each other, etc. Tempers flair and things get said, but I doubt many are here just to flame. I'm really impressed, actually, with how well 30,000 people have gotten along.

So I'm with you that people SHOULD be more civil, but we can't expect that of them. I'm not with you that we should avoid controversy. It brings us closer, broadens our horizons, and generates trust. Whatever price we pay for the controversy, it's worth it. I wouldn't give it up.

It's one thing to have "controversy" as you say, but it's another thing to just argue. For an arguement to be onsided and the guy has lost, but keeps on pursuing the subject is just DUMB!!!! I agree we are human and we need to be challenged, but at the same time the primary focus of the board is to Penis Enlargement. But if we can't people to be civil and respectful then what does that mean??? It's granting too much freedom in that area to run amock that will cause problems. IN fact it's the whole idea of I can say what I want no matter what you think has caused so many problems in our country. There use to be a standard of community descency, but now it's a free for all. We are a Godless nation, and this is the most offensive aspect of my life to a huge population, I mention the name of Jesus, and people get angry......I have freedom of speech right??? You can curse up and down and yell at anyone who walks by, but yet I say a NAME and it's all up in arms and "you can't say that in public". Are you serious??? All things should be equal, wouldn't you agree???

Civlity and respect are ideals. Are you familiar with idealism? Ideals cannot be attained, but they can be strived for. We are doing a pretty good job, considering the circumstances. It's not any better on any other e-board.

Too much freedom? Because we can say what we want without fear of being persecuted? Some people will use that freedom in a negative way, but that freedom also allows you to talk about Jesus, someone else to talk negatively about George Bush. It also allows someone to call another a fucker. Unintelligent, yes. It does add color and personality though, I suppose. It also draws a greater contrast between them, and someone with a more intelligent ditty.

A godless nation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but America probably has one of the highest ratios of Christians to non-Christians in the world. For those who aren't, it is their RIGHT not to believe. It shouldn't offend you. There are certainly lots of people who are non-Christian who still have moral values and respect, and most of these people have made an intelligent decision not to believe.

It's a sad truth, but Jesus has become taboo in many places. Even so, all things ARE equal in this case: someone had their say about you mentioning Jesus, and you had your say about mentioning Jesus. That's pretty damn equal. That's freedom of speech. That's the equalizer.

AlloyCG said:

A godless nation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but America probably has one of the highest ratios of Christians to non-Christians in the world. For those who aren't, it is their RIGHT not to believe. It shouldn't offend you. There are certainly lots of people who are non-Christian who still have moral values and respect, and most of these people have made an intelligent decision not to believe.

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I'm not sure but you may be wrong if not today maybe next week, Ignorance & Apathy are coming on strong!
As well as Muslims, deist's and others.
It doesn't offend me it just saddens me.
where does "non-Christians" get their morals from anyway?
:s

longTom said:

I'm not sure but you may be wrong if not today maybe next week, Ignorance & Apathy are coming on strong!
As well as Muslims, deist's and others.
It doesn't offend me it just saddens me.
where does "non-Christians" get their morals from anyway?
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May be wrong about what?

Non-Christians can get their morals from anywhere a Christian can. A non-Christian can strive to be a "moral" person by evaluating ethics and humility. Values can originate from family, friends, role models, or one's self. Because someone does not live by the Bible's teachings does not mean they have no interest in civility, decency, integrity, care for others, and generativity.

Non-Christians may get their morals from philosophy or Buddhism or simply have in built genetic morals. It is entirely wrong to say that people that are not religious are immoral. Long Tom, you say that ignorance is coming on strong but again I don't think that people that are non-religious are necessarily ignorant. It is very important to allow others to believe what they want to. Why do Muslims sadden you? Tolerance is very important. Especially nowadays. We need to have respect for each other and our individual beliefs. Personally I think that it is very important to be a good whole hearted person. I am not religious and as a result do not practice kindness as a result of fear of a deity but rather I appreciate the problems that anger and hatred bring to the world and choose to abstain from them. What is more important than what you or someone else believes is that we all tolerate each other.

I have been reading this post and I had to say something. What do you mean by where do "non-christians" get their morals?

Just because one does not believe in Christ does not make them non-moral. Why is it that people who believe in one form of religion feel that their religion is right and all others wrong?

I have no problem with those who believe in Jesus but to say Christianity is better than Muslim makes no sense. Study both religions if not all before making a statement like that.

In the last few weeks I decided to reasearch ancient societies. Documented on tablets found in Iraq in the 1800's now available to us all. What I found was these societies had much advance knowledge knowing that the sun (not son) was the source of all energy which is what we are.

They would tell folk stories to educate their people into learning the power of the sun. It was stated through the first "zodiacs" that the sun did a full cycle each year. They broke this "zodiac" into four quadrents (four seasons) and it was separated by a cross. They placed the "sun" on the cross because they felt it was the source. The sun was at its weakest point on Dec.21 and was said to have symbolically died and was reborn or born again on Dec.25. The egyptians used this knowledge in the form of a story that stated the son of god "Horus" being born on Dec.25 to a virgin mother "Isis" the father "Asiris". Before this the same story had been told using other names in the Babalonian times. Nimrod "the father" and Tamos "the son" Queen samiromos "the mother.. the virgin mother of Tamos". Nimrod was put into a tomb after being tortured and after 3 days was not there when they removed the stone from the tomb.

Now ancient Persian religion believed in this sun god or "son of god" named Mythra who was born on Dec.25. Also born to a virgin mother who died so our sins could be forgiven. They had brought gold, frakensense and murr to his birth. Keep in mind that in the ancient times gold was considered the "sun metal" or "metal from the sun" which is why it has and always will be so valuable.

All these religions are carbon copies of each other so before claiming one to be better than the other be sure to study the rest. Also keep in mind that the three ancient societies that I mention only used these stories as folk tales they in no way believed them. They only believed in the sun and used these stories to pass the message.

Muwahahahaha! Muwahahahah!

You guys are arguing in a thread about not arguing!

I'm sorry! That's too funny!

I love you guys!

kong1971 said:

Muwahahahaha! Muwahahahah!

You guys are arguing in a thread about not arguing!

I'm sorry! That's too funny!

I love you guys!

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Ya I know lol

I had read through this thread and after reading certain posts, it became obvious that there would spring an argument.

When one individual believes something to be the "absolute" without having an open mind towards all possibilities, there will always be someone else who disagrees.

This world seems to be split into two between many different beliefs. Religion, political status, Ideologies, science.. whatever. Sometimes I wonder if this was all manufactured knowing it would split the world in two so that it would be easier for a few to further their evolution and leave the rest of us on stand still. How I see it when you have two choices one is on the left, one is on the right. What they don't want you to know about will always be found in the centre.

millionman said:

The Lord watches over all things, and takes care of everyone.

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That one line sums up why i am an atheist.

I personally think that it is impossible to know for certain whether there is a god. I respect peoples individual beliefs and think that it is more important to do so than to determine your personal beliefs. I also love the fact that we all voice our opinions on this forum. It makes for fun debate. How boring would the world be if we all agreed on everything. I think the reason that this apparent anti argue-mental thread turned into a big argument/discussion is because millionman inadvertently included some of his opinions in his original post. When you post opinions, there will always be someone that has an opposing opinion. I wouldn't trade this for the world. Kausion, I found your posts really interesting.

longTom said:

where does "non-Christians" get their morals from anyway?
:s

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And thats how Holy wars start my man :s

AlloyCG said:

Unfortunately and fortunately, this forum IS NOT solely penis enlargement. It's much more than that. It's a home, so to speak. We are brothers. We love each other, help each other, share with each other, argue with each other, etc. Tempers flair and things get said, but I doubt many are here just to flame. I'm really impressed, actually, with how well 30,000 people have gotten along.

So I'm with you that people SHOULD be more civil, but we can't expect that of them. I'm not with you that we should avoid controversy. It brings us closer, broadens our horizons, and generates trust. Whatever price we pay for the controversy, it's worth it. I wouldn't give it up.

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I agree. As much as I didn't like you before for having that arguement with me in that thread a while back, I agree with you on this. And yeah, I also agree that MOS is more like a home where we all go and talk and all that shit. That's what it feels like to me other than a Penis Enlargement site. :s

So PrinceAlbert you're an atheist because God loves and protects you??? Or are you an atheist because you have a better perspective on this "god concept, or is God a hoax made up to control the weak minded people of the world??? Please, inform me as to why you are an atheist.

Ohhh and to Kausion, I've read about those "myths" and if you were wondering about the "tablets" they were written on, there are historians that believe that they were fabricated sometime in the 16th century. It's a theory, but an interesting one. I wonder if it could possibly be that the ancient societies had heard prophecies of the Lord's coming and believed that he would one day arrive.....could it be that the Lord intended for these people to tell the stories of the Christ's birth and how it would come to be???

I think you have missed the point about what I am saying. This wasn't just documented on tablets its on Eygiptian pyramid walls amongst other places.

They did not believe in the coming of the lord, they believed the sun was the source of all power. It is also stated in Roman history that Constantine the great was the one who created this Christian religion. He followed the beliefs about Mythra the son of god. He also knew that if he could create an actual religion from this story there would be much to benefit. Since he believed in Mythra it wouldn't be much harder to switch the name and have the people take the story literally.

They believed in god. God being all consiousness all energy, everything. Now the source of all this energy is and always will be the sun. So they put the two together and you got "sun of god". They believed that we are much more than just a physical body that we are and everything else is made up of this energy. That was later proved fact when they discovered atoms.

This knowledge of the sun was brought from the "gods" (those who came down from another planet). This advanced race instructed them on how to build places of worship for the sun. Which is where the pyramids, stonehenge, easter island and other monuments like this came from.

ok....since Constantine made up Christianity, Who was Jesus???? At the same time the Christian Church was not a "recognized" religion by any government until Justin made it the official faith of the Roman Empire..... But I will ask again, Who was Jesus???

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ok....since Constantine made up Christianity, Who was Jesus???? At the same time the Christian Church was not a "recognized" religion by any government until Justin made it the official faith of the Roman Empire..... But I will ask again, Who was Jesus???

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He could have been an enlightened individual that the romans would have felt could play the role for the religion. Could have been one who understood the energy and how to control and manipulate it. Im not saying he never existed but I do know sun of god meant just that according to the ancient societies.

I do know that the earliest bible is only from the 13th century then no recollection of one before that time. One thing that never made sense to me about it was most of the story is from ancient times in the middle east. Yet you have european names like john, matthew tellling the story. The history of these such names doesnt play with what they state.

Gooness....You do relaize that these are translated names from Aramaic or Hebrew.... There is an essential problem to the arguement you present....there are manuscripts that were written as early as 33 A.D. and no later than 65 A.D., so that kind of blows the whole 13th century out of the water. What you think happened is a lie....I have searched high and low, and have found no information that would support any 13th centruy date written for the New Testament, and the Bible as it is now has gone unchanged throughout the centuries, as if you could speak Latin or Greek you could read teh original texts as they are the same as today, but in English. I've studied other religions other than Christianity I've also read a good bit of information on Ancient Societies and of groups as the Illuminati, and honestly it's a lie. The Histories of the ancients is extremely convuluted and suspect, simply because no one can say without a shadow of a doubt what the walls of the pyramids truly says, or what it represents. There are those who say this is this and that is that, but throughout the Word of God archaeologists have found the places mentioned in the New and Old Testament. Did you know that Noah's Ark had been found??? Exactly where the Lord instructed Noah to leave it, on the Mount of Arrarat. That's simply one event to point to, but one of signifigance, as the Turkish government recognized it as a land mark and several Historical and archaeological societies accepted the discovery and verified it.

I would like to suggest going through and looking up the info I'm presenting here, so that you can see that this is not made up infomartion that I got from someone and am simply regurgitating what I heard or read. The information is freely available. Ohhh, and the Roman Emperor Nero liked to set Christians on fire to light his garden parties....made up religion I don't think so.....at least not by the romans as you contend.....

I'm also going to speak to Tomdw's statment that morals could be genetically encoded....ummmmm....Nope last time I checked most people were not interested in being good naturally..... We are naturally selfish and self-serving, and pretty vindictive.... but we can be taught to "behave" yes, but the Christian faith is not simply about being "good" cause I can't be "good", "what is in darkness can not be in the light nor what is in the light be in darkness", so without Christ I can't ever hope to be in the presence of God because He can not look upon or share the presence with sin. That's the reality of the situation....not as I see it...cause I would love for everyone to be able to hang out and love the Lord in heaven, but He's the one who said "I am the way, the truth, and the life".