S curve, bump, inner penis, etc.

dex,

>in which position, standing or sitting, can you feel/palpate the s-curve the best?<

For me, I would say sitting. But, it is rather difficult to palpate, and imagine the S-curve. If the shaft is attached up the face of the pubic bone, then you have an S-curve.

>So s-curve means, the shaft is not coming straight out from the anus!<

Correct, in the flaccid state.

>The guy has also an high exit point(2), which means that the first cm of his shaft is parallel to the floor!
The guy did also perform the palpation test, and this test indicates him, that he can gain by lig stretching(3).

The last test he performs is the LOT test. The LOT test indicates him a low LOT, lets say 7-8.

Do you think this constellation is possible? I hope i defined the tests like you did before, if not, please correct me!<

Yes, that would be possible, if the pubic bone had a more horizontal tilt, rather than vertical.

That is one bad thing about the LOT test. The tilt of the pelvis, how you are standing or sitting, affects the angle of the pubic bone, which then affects the reading of the test on the clock. If you can palpate the pubic bone, and keep it in a fairly horizontal position, you can get an accurate reading on LOT.

Bigger

Bib said:

dex,
1.
>in which position, standing or sitting, can you feel/palpate the s-curve the best?<

For me, I would say sitting. But, it is rather difficult to palpate, and imagine the S-curve. If the shaft is attached up the face of the pubic bone, then you have an S-curve.

>So s-curve means, the shaft is not coming straight out from the anus!<

Correct, in the flaccid state.

2.
Do you think this constellation is possible? I hope i defined the tests like you did before, if not, please correct me!<

Yes, that would be possible, if the pubic bone had a more horizontal tilt, rather than vertical.

That is one bad thing about the LOT test. The tilt of the pelvis, how you are standing or sitting, affects the angle of the pubic bone, which then affects the reading of the test on the clock. If you can palpate the pubic bone, and keep it in a fairly horizontal position, you can get an accurate reading on LOT.

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to 1.:
Im to 90 percent sure that i have an s-curve. When saying this, i follow your definition. In a flaccid state my penis is not coming out right from the anus. My shaft comes out from the anus and curves up to the top of my pubic bone. My top ligaments are holding the shaft to the top of my pubic bone.
It seems, that the ligament on top of my penis, connects directly to the top of my pubic bone. When im stretching my penis out (flaccid state), i can follow the top lig/tendon the best.It connects to the top of the pubic bone,it sits directly on the edge or may be direct unter the edge, cant say this for sure.
If this are really my ligs, i can not imagine that it is possible that they attach higher to my pubic bone.

Is it possible to find/palpate the ligs? I found a lot of tendons around the the top of my pubic bone. They are holding the shaft. I interprete this tendons as ligs,hope this is right.
The top tendon/lig i was describing, is the easiest to find, because it is the bigest and thickest, so it is easy to find and to palpate.

to 2.:

"If you can palpate the pubic bone, and keep it in a fairly horizontal position, you can get an accurate reading on LOT."

How can i do this? I do not understand this. When im doing the LOT test, i do this in a standing position like you always said.

Actually im not so sure, if my pubic bone is so horizontal. I do not know how to measure it and which part of the pubic bone is more important. It seems, when im palpating, that in the first part, my shaft goes down, lets say 70 degree, and then goes into "the cave part", which is more horizontal, may be 30 degree. Im really not sure if my measurements are right and how long (cm)the 2 parts are.

dex,

>Im to 90 percent sure that i have an s-curve. When saying this, i follow your definition. In a flaccid state my penis is not coming out right from the anus. My shaft comes out from the anus and curves up to the top of my pubic bone. My top ligaments are holding the shaft to the top of my pubic bone.<

It appears you understand.

>Is it possible to find/palpate the ligs? I found a lot of tendons around the the top of my pubic bone. They are holding the shaft. I interprete this tendons as ligs,hope this is right.<

Yes. Simply stretch out with one hand, while grasping through the skin at the base with the other. Between the thumb and forefinger, you can probably 'pluck' the lig bundles, actually feel the strands, unless of course the ligs are very tight.

>How can i do this? I do not understand this. When im doing the LOT test, i do this in a standing position like you always said.<

I believe you understand what is going on. If you can find the bottom of the pubic bone, and you know the exit point, you have a good idea of your potential for gains from lig stretch.

>Actually im not so sure, if my pubic bone is so horizontal. I do not know how to measure it and which part of the pubic bone is more important. It seems, when im palpating, that in the first part, my shaft goes down, lets say 70 degree, and then goes into "the cave part", which is more horizontal, may be 30 degree. Im really not sure if my measurements are right and how long (cm)the 2 parts are.<

I don't understand what you wrote. I think you are dwelling on this a bit too much. Hopefully, you understand enough to know your lig potential.

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Bib said:

dex,
Yes. Simply stretch out with one hand, while grasping through the skin at the base with the other. Between the thumb and forefinger, you can probably 'pluck' the lig bundles, actually feel the strands, unless of course the ligs are very tight.
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If you can pluck the lig bundles, does this mean that you have long ligs?
Is this also an indicator for less lig potential?

dex,

>If you can pluck the lig bundles, does this mean that you have long ligs?
Is this also an indicator for less lig potential?<

It is all relative. I do not think whether you can pluck your ligs has anything to do with how long they may be, or the potential for gains.

Bigger

Ive been out of the "sport" for about 5 months or so. I must say this is the most visually intriguing post Ive seen. Excellent work Master Bib.

Ive been at this for a year and a half now with 2 extended breaks in the mix,4 months and 5 months respectively. During my year and a half Ive gained 1" and am once again gung-ho. I believe Ive gained the size in the following way.

3/8- 1/2" from jelqing and hand stretches.

1/4-3/8 hanging SD.

And honestly probably 1/8 in superior measuring technique

I firmly believe in taking scheduled breaks but wont delve into that here.

My question is this: Ive been hanging SD the last 2- 30 day cycles Ive tried. The first time yielded some gains probably a little better than 1/8" the second cycle little or nothing. What Ive discovered is that If I lean forward from the waist at about 45 Degrees I get a very strong sensation at the attachment point deep in the body(in your diagram,where it says flex). Instinctively and I believe according to what your saying here SO would be correct for me. My lot situation is somewhat strange From everything Ive read. When I began this hobby of ours I did my lot and It was about 9:00 . I havent done it since and am now as of today at 11:30. This doesnt make sense to me, although I like the idea If theory follows and I can get some more gains by hanging SO for awhile.

Any thoughts are appeciated.


RR

Bib, please disregard the question from my last thread. I did something I hate seeing, and that is to ask question before researching. I did my LOT evaluation backwards-starting from the bottom and then looking for loss of tugback. thats why I was good to 12. My LOT is around 8:30-9:00. For that Ill keep hanging SD and retry BTC.

So my new question is this. Im doing SD right now 20 mins with about 25Lbs. Would you see value adding a second set that emphasised attacking the ligs more unilaterally? Through experimentation Ive found that lifting one leg adds great deal of stress to the same ligament. The load is clearly being shifted and therefore greater stress on the worked lig. My thinking is adding a second 20 min set with 10 mins on each lig.

The alternative would be a second set in the 45degree lean I mentioned in my previous thread. While this does not work perfectly woth the lot theory, I do get a strong stretch through the inner penis all the way through to the attachment point.

I guess I could mix the two routines but I think time under load is pretty important.

Your thoughts Please.


Thanks

RR

P.S.Love my Bib starter!!

RR,

>So my new question is this. Im doing SD right now 20 mins with about 25Lbs. Would you see value adding a second set that emphasised attacking the ligs more unilaterally? Through experimentation Ive found that lifting one leg adds great deal of stress to the same ligament. The load is clearly being shifted and therefore greater stress on the worked lig. My thinking is adding a second 20 min set with 10 mins on each lig.<

I assume you are doing Dash's hardcore routine, limiting the number of sets? I really have no experience with this technique. As you probably know, I did the all day hanging thing. IMO, up to a point, I believe adding sets helps. I recommend reaching fatigue as quickly as possible, and then hanging in the fatigued state, at reduced weights.

Lifting one leg, etc, does shift the load to different tissue sets. However, I recommend that you concentrate on tissue sets in a dedicated fashion, weeks and months, not sets, sessions, or days.

>The alternative would be a second set in the 45degree lean I mentioned in my previous thread. While this does not work perfectly woth the lot theory, I do get a strong stretch through the inner penis all the way through to the attachment point.<

I assume this position would essentially give you a straight out stretch. I am sure you know there are more comfortable ways of doing this. For SO, I always hung while seated, with the skids of the hanger close to the front edge of the chair, and the strap and weights over the edge. Allow for friction.

With a 9:30 LOT, I would recommend you work at the lower angles, especially BTC, going for lig stretch, and attempting to realize gains from pulling out inner penis.

Bigger

Thanks Boss. Ill do just that. Ive always had very uncomforatable experiences hanging btc. Ill research and experiment. Seems like the hanger was always smashing my testes and just between you and me, I dont care for that. But Ill give it a go agian.

RR

Thanks for the pics. It clears some things up.