S curve, bump, inner penis, etc.

I am going to try and put these drawings back up. I do not know what thread they were in originally.

These drawings pertain to many current threads, and are meant to promote understanding and discussion.

Hopefully, I can get them up.

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Well, they are all kind of smooshed together. But hopefully, you get the idea.

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so basically pulling straight down doesnt do shit?

then how does hanging work?

JO,

>so basically pulling straight down doesnt do shit?<

Why do you say that? For most, if not all guys, straight down stresses do quite a lot.

>then how does hanging work?<

What do you mean?

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Thanks Bib for the new drawings,very informatively.

What are you defining as an s-curve?Is it a curve with a high angle for example 70 degree or something like this(like in the first picture) or has every person an s-curve no matter how high the angle of the s-curve is(like in the second picture)?

Im asking me right now if an high s-curve indicates a high erection level and if a high erection level indicates an high s-curve.
What is your opinion about this?

When you have s-curve with an high angle it indicates great lig potential when im following your theory the right way. So you are going to do lig work for example by btc hanging. When you are hanging this way your erection level will drop, a lot of people inclusively you bib reported this.
So the result is:
1.the s-curve is away.It is outside the body now expressed by lig gains.
2.the erection level is also decreased.

So the conclusion is:A high s-curve indicates a good potential for lig gains and a high erection level(because people like you reported it)
Can you also say that a high erection level indicates good lig potential?
What is your opinion about this.I remember that you had a very high erection level when you started hanging.

Forget to ask you.
Imagine you have an high s-curve.You are hanging btc and the s-curve decreases to a normal status.Is it possible to get back the s-curve by ots hanging and tunica work.Can you rebuilt the s-curve by inner shaft growth?

Dex,

>What are you defining as an s-curve?Is it a curve with a high angle for example 70 degree or something like this(like in the first picture) or has every person an s-curve no matter how high the angle of the s-curve is(like in the second picture)?<

An S curve is a curve that makes an S. Not every guy has this. Many hung guys come straight out, almost from the anus, and exit the skin, with the shaft never turning up whatsoever.

>Im asking me right now if an high s-curve indicates a high erection level and if a high erection level indicates an high s-curve.
What is your opinion about this?<

No. It seems the shape of the tunica indicates erection angle more than anything. I am sure for many guys, the tightness of the ligs does affect erection angle, but that is not the only factor.

>When you have s-curve with an high angle it indicates great lig potential when im following your theory the right way. So you are going to do lig work for example by btc hanging. When you are hanging this way your erection level will drop, a lot of people inclusively you bib reported this.<

To an extent. But my statistical work with the LOT theory did not indicate a great correlation between LOT and erection angle.

My erection angle dropped from 12 to 9 over my Penis Enlargement career. But much of this was due, I believe, to an increase in weight of the shaft, further from the body.

>Imagine you have an high s-curve.You are hanging btc and the s-curve decreases to a normal status.Is it possible to get back the s-curve by ots hanging and tunica work.Can you rebuilt the s-curve by inner shaft growth?<

Yes, I do not think there is any doubt about this. When hanging OTS, you stress the entire tunica, all the way to the inner anchor points. The area of the shaft from the pubic bone, to the bulbs, is stressed, and will grow, and therefore give additional potential for gains from lig stretch.

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Awesome pics Bib - I think I finally understand LOT!!! I'm a visual learner lol.

Very good explanation. Similar to surgery, but everything stays in tact. Same length potential, different feel.

Bib, does the visual way a flacid penis hangs possibly show lig position? Like in the pics the tighter higher lot pics, the penis hangs higher more straight out.

if so with these pics I know for sure I have a high lot.

I know for sure my S curve is very much a large S. I felt around in there the past few days and I could feel that my penis exits high and then enters my body almost like at the hilltop as it were. Sucks, but I figure if I can hang about 16-18 hours a week from now on for the rest of the year I'll have made some kind of gains in length.

BTC,

>Bib, does the visual way a flacid penis hangs possibly show lig position? Like in the pics the tighter higher lot pics, the penis hangs higher more straight out.<

Yes, but of course, it is all relative. A guy may have a really large unit, with a high exit point, and still a lot of outer penis, and thus a good hang. So, the amount of hang is dependent on a couple of variables. But in general, the higher the exit point, the less hang.

The third test described lately; taking a nude frontal pic, or looking in a mirror, tracing down the groinal grooves to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and therefore the lowest possible exit point, and compare that to the actual exit point.

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Bib said:

BTC,

>Bib, does the visual way a flacid penis hangs possibly show lig position? Like in the pics the tighter higher lot pics, the penis hangs higher more straight out.<

Yes, but of course, it is all relative. A guy may have a really large unit, with a high exit point, and still a lot of outer penis, and thus a good hang. So, the amount of hang is dependent on a couple of variables. But in general, the higher the exit point, the less hang.

The third test described lately; taking a nude frontal pic, or looking in a mirror, tracing down the groinal grooves to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and therefore the lowest possible exit point, and compare that to the actual exit point.

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What do you think? I've had pubic lipo, and you can see the contours pretty well in this pic. Lately I've been able to reach in the pelvic area and feel the s curve and what's keeping it from a more straight position. Exciting. I want what DLD has crazy length.

BTC,

First, I don't think you can post nuce pics in this section. But I do not know what to do about it.

The pic is from the side, and I can only see your left groinal groove. But there appears to be no doubt that you have a high exit point. Most is not all of your scrotum appears to be above the estimated point of the convergence of the groinal grooves.

Work the lower angles.

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Thanks for posting this Bib. It has explained a LOT.

pun intended? haha

Bib said:

Dex,
>Imagine you have an high s-curve.You are hanging btc and the s-curve decreases to a normal status.Is it possible to get back the s-curve by ots hanging and tunica work.Can you rebuilt the s-curve by inner shaft growth?<

Yes, I do not think there is any doubt about this. When hanging OTS, you stress the entire tunica, all the way to the inner anchor points. The area of the shaft from the pubic bone, to the bulbs, is stressed, and will grow, and therefore give additional potential for gains from lig stretch.
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Do you realy think its possible to get back an s-curve?
Im asking because when you are hanging downward, you are hitting the ligs and you are lowering your exit point. May be you are lowering your exit point so far, that your new exit point is close to the end of the pubic bone. If you do so, there is no more way to gain from lig stretching according to the "palpation" test. Now you have to concentrate on tunica work if you want to gain more.
And here is my point:When you stretch the tunica and get back the s-curve, your exit point has to raise again, if not, you have no space to hide the "new" s-curve under the arch of your pubic bone. The exit point has to raise in your theory, if it doesnt, the s-curve wouldnt have space when the exit point is still close to end or the end of the pubic bone.

I hope you got me.
I cant imagine that it is possible to raise the penis exit point i only can imagine that its possible to lower the exit point.

dex,

>Do you realy think its possible to get back an s-curve?<

Yes, it is sometimes called the see-saw effect. It is not a situation where the S curve returns to it's original status. That would be impossible. But you can stretch/grow the true inner penis, from the pubic bone to the anchor points, which tends to push the outer penis up, which is still hung from the ligs. Then, when the ligs are further stressed at a later point, the shaft is further pulled out and down.

>Im asking because when you are hanging downward, you are hitting the ligs and you are lowering your exit point. May be you are lowering your exit point so far, that your new exit point is close to the end of the pubic bone. If you do so, there is no more way to gain from lig stretching according to the "palpation" test. Now you have to concentrate on tunica work if you want to gain more.<

All true.

>And here is my point:When you stretch the tunica and get back the s-curve, your exit point has to raise again, if not, you have no space to hide the "new" s-curve under the arch of your pubic bone. The exit point has to raise in your theory, if it doesnt, the s-curve wouldnt have space when the exit point is still close to end or the end of the pubic bone.<

The exit point may or may not truly rise. But the angle of the shaft will rise as you gain extra inner penis. This process is not as dramatic as the first gains from lig stretch. It is slower and more tedious.

Good points.

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dex,

Looking at the drawings, you could say that the S curve, the angle of the last 'outer' curve, gets larger. The upper angle hanging gives further potential for gains from lig stretch.

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@Bib,
in which position, standing or sitting, can you feel/palpate the s-curve the best?

Do you think the following case is possible?

A guy has an s-curve(1). I do not define an s-curve here like in your drawings, i define it here like you said before:

"Many hung guys come straight out, almost from the anus, and exit the skin, with the shaft never turning up whatsoever."

So s-curve means, the shaft is not coming straight out from the anus!
The guy has also an high exit point(2), which means that the first cm of his shaft is parallel to the floor!
The guy did also perform the palpation test, and this test indicates him, that he can gain by lig stretching(3).

The last test he performs is the LOT test. The LOT test indicates him a low LOT, lets say 7-8.

Do you think this constellation is possible? I hope i defined the tests like you did before, if not, please correct me!