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Has anyone not read what I have said as far as the "christian" religion? Matthew 23:8-10
Mat 23:8 But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers.
Mat 23:9 Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. Mat 23:11 But he who is greatest among you will be your servant.
Mat 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat 23:13 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and as a pretense you make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Mat 23:14 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you don't enter in yourselves, neither do you allow those who are entering in to enter.
Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son of Gehenna as yourselves.
In this Christ is speaking to the religious leaders of the day, as they set themselves above everyone else as "righteous" and "holy" as they were keepers of the law. This is the same institution that can currently be seen in the "church". My point is that Jesus would have dealt with our current "leaders" as he dealt with the pharisees. These people are keeping people from living the LIFE that Christ gives that we would not be shackled to the laws of religion and the rituals of man but free in Him.
Swank, you seem to have an idea of which you speak, but it is clear that you do not have any idea because if you had any clue as to which truth you are speaking to then you would in no way put islam and christianity (as ministered to in the New Testament not the current "religion" they are two different realities) in the same sentence or context. One is based on villance and hatred for anyone opposed to their view, while the other only seeks to unburden men and to share the LOVE of our Father in Heaven. There is such a stark contrast between the two that you can not mention them in the same general context because of the drastic contrast in their core beliefs. As for any other discussion of Faith I would gladly meet you on it and discuss it openly. As for anyone else who would like to know more about Jesus with questions or anything that may come to mind feel free to post. If you have had a bad experience with the "church" or have had issues with people who called themselves "christian" we can talk about that too. Whatever needs to be brought into the light let it be brought and shown here in this thread. Everyone is welcome.
Mat 23:8 But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers.
Mat 23:9 Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. Mat 23:11 But he who is greatest among you will be your servant.
Mat 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat 23:13 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and as a pretense you make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Mat 23:14 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you don't enter in yourselves, neither do you allow those who are entering in to enter.
Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son of Gehenna as yourselves.
In this Christ is speaking to the religious leaders of the day, as they set themselves above everyone else as "righteous" and "holy" as they were keepers of the law. This is the same institution that can currently be seen in the "church". My point is that Jesus would have dealt with our current "leaders" as he dealt with the pharisees. These people are keeping people from living the LIFE that Christ gives that we would not be shackled to the laws of religion and the rituals of man but free in Him.
Swank, you seem to have an idea of which you speak, but it is clear that you do not have any idea because if you had any clue as to which truth you are speaking to then you would in no way put islam and christianity (as ministered to in the New Testament not the current "religion" they are two different realities) in the same sentence or context. One is based on villance and hatred for anyone opposed to their view, while the other only seeks to unburden men and to share the LOVE of our Father in Heaven. There is such a stark contrast between the two that you can not mention them in the same general context because of the drastic contrast in their core beliefs. As for any other discussion of Faith I would gladly meet you on it and discuss it openly. As for anyone else who would like to know more about Jesus with questions or anything that may come to mind feel free to post. If you have had a bad experience with the "church" or have had issues with people who called themselves "christian" we can talk about that too. Whatever needs to be brought into the light let it be brought and shown here in this thread. Everyone is welcome.