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The circumcised penis loses sensitivity in three ways:

Loss of the foreskin nerves themselves. As has been demonstrated by studies such as the one by Dr. Taylor and by the testimonials of the majority of intact men, the inner foreskin possesses a greater density of nerve endings. It is thought to be more erogenous than even the glans. The is no question that the foreskin is a highly erogenous tissue. This tremendous amount of sensitivity is lost completely when the forefold of the skin system is amputated. In addition to this, the most sensitive part of the penis, the frenulum of the foreskin, is either partially or totally removed in most infant circumcisions. The frenulum is the continuation of the inner foreskin which attaches to the underside (ventral part) of the glans. Thus, a significant percentage, if not the majority, of erogenous nerve supply to the penis is removed in circumcision at birth.


Damage to the glans. The erogenous sensitivity that remains after circumcision is primarily in the glans. This is further reduced by removal of the protective foreskin which leaves the glans permanently exposed. Unlike the shaft of the penis, and most of the rest of the body, the head of the penis, does not posses its own attached skin. This structure, like the eye ball and the gums of the mouth, is a somewhat naked structure. Its surface is non-keratinized, like that of the gums, the eye ball, and the clitoris in women. That means that it does not posses a protective thick layer like the keratinized skin of the outer penile skin system. Like the gums and the eye ball, the glans of the intact penis has a retractible skin covering. The skin covering of the glans is the foreskin. The eyelid is very similar in architecture to the foreskin. If the eyelid were removed and the eyeball were to become keratinized, you'd have a much harder time seeing. The same is true of the glans. It becomes artificially keratinized (dry, ha rdened, discolored, and wrinkled) as a result of permanent exposure, and thus less sensitive. Because most American men are circumcised and have a glans of this nature, it is harder to notice the abnormality. But just compare the glans of an intact man with that of a circumcised man next to each other and you'll notice a big difference. Thus, in addition to removing lots of erogenous nerve endings in the inner foreskin and frenulum, circumcision further desensitizes the remaining sensitivity of the glans by leaving it exposed.


Loss of skin mobility. The nerve endings in the glans are predominantly complex touch receptors also known as mechanoreceptors. This is different from the light touch receptors of the skin which detect surface friction. The mechanorecptors are best stimulated by massage action rather than surface friction. Thus, the glans is best stimulated to feel pleasure by a rolling massage action. With an ample and highly mobile skin system that rolls over the glans with pressure from the opposing surface, this optimal stimulation of the glans is achieved while avoiding direct friction of the delicate glans surface. Direct friction tends to fire off pain receptors causing irritation and also causes further keratinization of the glans. With the skin system of the penis significantly reduced by circumcision, the mobility is essentially gone and now the penis is a static mass with no dynamic self stimulation mechanism. Now, it must be rubbed. Direct friction is now the primary form of stimulation. So then circumcision further reduces erogenous sensitivity in the penis by reducing skin mobility and thus the ability to use the foreskin to massage the glans. The combination of foreskin and glans in concert results in an even higher level of stimulation which is unknown to the circumcised male.


When you understand what is actually lost to circumcision, it is easy to see how FR helps return this sensitivity to a male. Although there are structures which can never be regrown like the fren and the ridged band, skin expansion can help to repair some of the damage done if some of this sensitive tissue remains and can be expanded. One thing that I have always had trouble understanding is why my whole penis feels as if it has had a sensitivity boost, but now that I have learned about mechanoreceptor nerve cells, I have come to understand that just increased skin mobility is able to make sex more pleasurable.
 
This is good information and pretty much comes under the "common knowledge" area of FR. But it should be noted that FR will not "FIX" any of these things, at least not to 100%.
 
Thanks, shithead. Of course, we all know that 100% is impossible. At what point does it make FR desirable, tho? 50%? 75%? That's a personal thing. Judging from what other restorers say, I think FR can get you 75-80%. The men who were cut in adulthood and later regretted it and restored say that it's about 80% back to original.

I could quit doing FR now and be completely happy with the progress I've made going from tight cut to loose cut. However, I am going to continue until I get full flaccid coverage and gliding. I want that 80%!
 
don't make big statements like "FR can restore you forskin to 80% of its original" if you can't back it up. coz otherwise its just your guess.
 
Please don't try to censor me. If you don't agree, just say so. I have the right to say what I think.
 
If you read my posts carefully, you will see that I normally label my opinions "opinions", my theories "theories" and my experiences "experiences". I rarely say "This is indisputable fact". I normally say "I think..." or "I believe..." This kind of constant monitoring of my language is censorship, pure and simple. No one else on this forum has to put up with having their every sentence disected, analyzed and edited like I do, and that is an "indisputable fact".
 
I think it is pretty telling that instead of addressing the issues of lost sensitivity, you are instead trying to tell me what I can say. Do you have any thoughts on the subject of this thread, or did you only come here to see what you could start with me? Your post could be construed as a taunt against restorers, when you say, "Good article, but you can't get it all back!" Was that a taunt, or an observation, or were you trying to make a valid point? You did make a statement about not being able to get 100% back without posting some kind of proof or argument for that. Hmm...
 
Kong, let's make that effort to keep the discussion based on ideas abour FR and circumcision.

Instead of a series of posts that once again take an argumentative tone and spend time elaborating on why you think you're being screwed with, how it's not a fair argument, telling others not to censor you, ect., just reply to teh argument. Your second to last post was fine. You last post was totally unecessary and added nothing to the discussion.

Let's work to keep this on the subjects of FR and circumcision and not steer things towards personal arguments like that.
 
what im saying is acting on these guesses is foolish, and advising other people to act on your guesses is dangerous.

you've put forward your theories on trapped penis, and given a whole lot of ways and reasons to act on it. imagin if someone plans a specific routine or technique because of your advice on one of your guesses, then later on we find definitive proof that your guess was wrong, all the while the person who developed his routine/technique from your advice has injured himself.
 
Injured himself how? With a J&J bandaid? :D Dude, you're arguing this on a forum that advocates hanging 20 lb weights from the penis for hours! Stop playing games. I'm not that stupid and neither are the other members here.
 
I'm not too worried about this. I think that anybody who reads the threads will come to understand that this 'trapped penis' thing in adults is just one person's idea. The point has been illustrated and Kong even admitted it full and clear.

I think they'll also agree with me that it's pretty unlikely that a new, as yet unheard of medical condition afflicting untold numbers of men around the globe has been diagnosed right here on the FR forum.
 
Yeah, cause every disease, affliction and physical ailment has already been discovered, right? #1, It's just an idea. #2, It's an idea with slight merit, although you have made it your mission to dispute everything I write out of hand. #3, You're obsessed with discrediting a person who posts on a subforum of a penis enlarging site, and Penis Enlargement isn't even recognized by medical science yet. PS-- Saying that people will agree with you won't make it so.
 
Unless there is some kind of objectionable nature to the statement "adult trapped penis is just an idea created and expressed by one person on this forum and that ought to be clear to people reading about it" then I don't see what the problem is here.
 
Shithead said:
don't make big statements like "FR can restore you forskin to 80% of its original" if you can't back it up. coz otherwise its just your guess.

I am no expert on FR, as a matter of fact I have very little knowledge about the subject but these pictures are pretty convincing:
 

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Hey DLD, nobody is arguing that FR doesn't work or isn't a worhwhile pursuit. I've never doubted that it works.

It's certain things like promising more intense orgasms, suggesting circumcised penises can't function properly, FR will increas size, things like that which are on the table. In this case we're talking about the amount of nerve sensitivity that FR will provide.

Some seem to feel it will regrow some of the nerves that exist in an original foreskin from some reason. I contend the re-grown skin will have the exact same nerve structure as the shaft skin it was stretched from.
 
Swank said:
Hey DLD, nobody is arguing that FR doesn't work or isn't a worhwhile pursuit. I've never doubted that it works.

It's certain things like promising more intense orgasms, suggesting circumcised penises can't function properly, FR will increas size, things like that which are on the table. In this case we're talking about the amount of nerve sensitivity that FR will provide.

Some seem to feel it will regrow some of the nerves that exist in an original foreskin from some reason. I contend the re-grown skin will have the exact same nerve structure as the shaft skin it was stretched from.

My bad:) Just starting to read everything in this forum now.
 
One point that you don't seem to understand, swank, is that the foreskin is not a seperate structure from the shaft skin. As you move up the shaft, toward the tip, the nerves grow denser and more specialized, and you encounter the ridged band and other structures, but there is not a checked line that the doctor just follows with the scalpel. I have expanded out some of the frenelum tissue I was left with. I have also noticed a broadening band of very sensitive skin right below the c-scar line on the top side of the shaft which seems more sexually sensitive than the shaft skin below it, so I am trying to make sure I hit that spot with the tension to try to expand it out more. I think it was very close to the ridged band tissue. Thing is, circumcision is not an exact science, and neither is restoring. You just have to educate yourself, do it and hope for the best. You know what parts feel good and what parts don't.
 
Indeed, and I have said several times that I am going to research both the scientific aspect of this and some FR sources to learn more.

At the moment though, It seems the skin being physically tensed and then generated into a substitue foreskin is from the shaft. There is also the question of whether these former nerve bundles and such are capable or regenerating in any way - which so far as I understand would be impossible unless you implanted stem cells or something.

Think of it like this -your fingertip is more senstive than the joint below it. If your fingertip is removed and you stretch the skin from your second joint it's still not going to feel like your fingertip did.

That's a facile example but I feel like the point is difficult to express clearly.

Let me also be extra clear in saying that circumcision is not the same thing as cutting off your finger! That's a whole other conversation so nobody even start . . .
 
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