I get what you mean Kausion, I don't necessarily agree with you, and the main reason is because of the us vs. them mentality held among the members of the respective parties. I can't see both parties working towards these goals, you may be right on some things in regards to the government, but of some things that I've read very strongly come across as wackos with pens. There is a limit to established authority, and with God ultimately in control I can honestly say, "I ain't scared" I was paid for with blood and nothing will change that. I'm very much one of the silent majority, I watch pay attention and listen, and things can get really murky when you throw in some conspiracy theories. I've read some of the same things you have since you linked me to some of it, but if there's some more info you'd like to share you can PM me and I'll check it out and discuss it with you. I just don't think things are as deep and dark as some like to think, in the end they are just human beings, despite what those who have written about the illuminati and things of the nature believe.
 
I like your take on it and I too believe GOD is ultimately in control. With religion being so tainted nowadays one has to have their own personal beliefs.

It is interesting how when ever someone says something about a truth that is hiden in plain sight they are automatically ruled out as a conspiracy theorist. Almost as if throwing the possibility right out the window will be more blissful and simplier than taking it into consideration. What I have read was mainly written by those who are part of it. You can find much information on the open source.

To say something is a conspiracy theory it would mean that there is absolutely proof. For example, lets say the lotto next week is 40 million dollars. You are thinking about buying a ticket but you have not purchased one. In "Theory" you could win that money, but in order to do that you would have to buy a ticket. Now as soon as you buy a ticket its no longer a "Theory" it becomes a possibility.. the more tickets you buy the more probable your chances of winning become.

The same is with what I say. If I hadn't read many articles and quotes and seen any footage of what I speak of. Or had not talked to people who's fathers are part of the group I research, I would have no proof and therefore my thoughts are only Theoritical. As soon as I find some kind of proof it becomes possible and the more proof one finds the more probable it becomes.

You can turn on your TV and see right for yourself how New York is becoming a police state. Time and time again UN members, Presidents and other people high up talk about world government and different methods to achieve it. If there is to be a world government it would mean all leaders would have to ultimately be striving for the same thing.

I have said all I can and need to say. I believe in what I have worked hard to find others believe in what they are told or see.

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"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization
 
Please go read a book. Bush is the worst president since Taft. Unfortunately a majority of these posts just show how uninformed Americans really are. The economy is horrible, more people are unemployed than ever, and our civil rights are in trouble; so to say that Bush isn't a push over is true you will never be able to push him to help the working class American.

Read Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn. They are not Liberal so don't throw that around they are just truthfull. And if you don't have time to read you can get thier books on tape.

So, unfortunately no one will do this, it may have to take thousands of more lives lost in Iraq for people to change thier minds, I don't want to see that.

Enjoy lower taxes and higher bills for the next four years.
 
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More people are unemployed than ever? I find that extremely hard to believe. Which book would you have me read? Just because there are books out there that claim this stuff doesn't make it absolute truth. I'm sure that whatever book you want me to read has been refuted by another book. Don't be brainwashed into believing everything you read, or everything Michael Moore says. Which of our civil rights are in trouble? I haven't heard of any of my rights being threatened by Bush, so please enlighten me.

Oh and by the way, war results in lost lives. On both sides. It's part of it. What reason could you possibly give for not wanting to take Saddam out of power? I don't understand.

Oh and that IQ thing earlier, even if it was true, doesn't explain crap. My IQ is 155, so please explain to me why I didn't vote Kerry? It has nothing to do with intelligent people vote one way, and stupid people vote another.
 
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Oh and that IQ thing earlier, even if it was true, doesn't explain crap. My IQ is 155, so please explain to me why I didn't vote Kerry? It has nothing to do with intelligent people vote one way, and stupid people vote another.

maybe you just have book smarts.
 
tonedef said:
The economy is horrible, more people are unemployed than ever...
The flip-side of that is more people are now employed than ever. That's twist on truth because the population is higher than ever. Unemployment RATE, which is what counts is pretty low. Economists regard "full employment" as around 6% unemployment. We are currently at about 5.4%, so we are doing very well. Either you are the one who is uninformed or you just like to twist the truth to try to make things look worse than they are. Unfortunately for you, there are people here who are informed.

tonedef said:
...and our civil rights are in trouble;
You're gonna have to explain this one to me.

tonedef said:
so to say that Bush isn't a push over is true you will never be able to push him to help the working class American... Enjoy lower taxes and higher bills for the next four years.
Hey, my home payments are the lowest they've ever been, and, overall, home ownership is at an all time high thanks to some of the lowest mortgage rates in history. Inflation has been static to minimal since Bush took office, and since 2000, I have been able to fully purchase 2 vehicles (for my wife and I). Plus we have paid less in income taxes than during the Clinton years. I don't see how life with Bush is so bad, and I am working my way through law school.

What do you think Kerry was going to do differently that is so great? Raise taxes on small business owners while simultaneously raising minimum wage? Unemployment and inflation go up to pay for these things.

Evidently Bush isn't all that bad, he got more votes than any other President in history. Including mine in case you couldn't tell.
 
Speaking of intelligence...

I thought it was funny as shit when Peter Jennings was interviewing Kerry and he told him evaluations of their military admissions tests (ASVAB) showed Bush with a superior intelligence to Kerry. Kerry handled it well, but I thought for a second he was going to fall out of his chair. That had to be one of my favorite moments of the campaign.
 
I think the fact that Ashcroft defended the right of American Muslim children to wear their head scarves to school while the French outlawed the wearing of head scraves by Muslim children is telling about the 'degradation of our civil rights' and religious intolerence. Also didnt Canada just ok fly overs of neighbor hoods using thermal imaging technology to look for grow houses? That will never happen in the U.S.A.
 
Shithead said:
maybe you just have book smarts.

Um...ha...ha?

If that even were true, explain to me how it would be relevant. So it isn't intelligent, educated people that vote for Kerry, it's people that are some other kind of smart? IQ is a measure of intelligence. Therefore, his statement that people of higher IQ (higher intelligence) vote for Kerry is total BS. My point was that it's not a difference in intelligence, it's a difference in political thought, moral conviction, etc.

But what am I talking to you for? All you do on this board is stir up trouble.
 
9cyclops9 said:
Um...ha...ha?

If that even were true, explain to me how it would be relevant. So it isn't intelligent, educated people that vote for Kerry, it's people that are some other kind of smart? IQ is a measure of intelligence. Therefore, his statement that people of higher IQ (higher intelligence) vote for Kerry is total BS. My point was that it's not a difference in intelligence, it's a difference in political thought, moral conviction, etc.

But what am I talking to you for? All you do on this board is stir up trouble.

the kind of intelligence i'm talking of is people who think for themselves.

they use books, people, education not to create an understanding for them but to aid them in creating their own understanding.

what im trying to say is really really hard to explain.
 
tonedef said:
Please go read a book. Bush is the worst president since Taft. Unfortunately a majority of these posts just show how uninformed Americans really are. The economy is horrible, more people are unemployed than ever, and our civil rights are in trouble; so to say that Bush isn't a push over is true you will never be able to push him to help the working class American.

It's funny how unemployment is lower now than 1996, when, to listen to the left, you would have thought we had the most incredible economy in recorded history. And I don't know what your personal views are, but too many lefties lecture the right about disappearing civil rights when they seem to stop at nothing to eliminate my Second Amendment rights. Such people are severely ill-informed at best.
 
Basically, what I've learned here is that if I don't think like Shithead I'm...well...an intellectual shithead.

How profound.
 
Sorry I wasn't gonna make anymore posts but this one is different from what I was talking about earlier.

As far as the flyovers in Canada looking for grow houses. That has been our enemy for awhile now. Before they would try to spot the grow houses by getting the power company to looks for surges per KWh happening frequently throughout the day in a household. Now since everyone who grows is on stolen power they can no longer track this way. Also there are ways to counter attack flyovers using heat vision. People are catching on so they are going to have to find a new way to stop the growers. Also for those caught growing the penalties aren't that high anyways. Californians move up to BC for the sole purpose of growing as housing was pretty cheap.

You have to look at it from all angles however. Back in March there were about 10,000 grow operations happening where I live. I live in a suburb just out side a metropolis city. There were way many in the actual city. This was back in March so by now there would have to be a lot more. All throughout Canada grow ops are popping up daily. So many growops that the price has gone down drastically but the quality keeps getting more intense.

I was watching the local news almost a year ago and they were stating this was getting to be a big problem. The growers all competing for the best product shot the THC level over 30%. This would be any american pot smokers dream as the best stuff down there isnt half that potent. I see the americans coming through the city and suberbs in search of the best stuff willing to pay $5,000US per lb!. So you can see why so many ops would be popping up with that kind of profit margin from our neighboors.

Its gonna get to the point where the cities are gonna realize there is no way to stop these ops. For every one they shut down 10 more will pop up.

As far as it never happening in the US, it probably never would as most Americans just head up north for the best stuff. One thing America has that Canada doesn't is that act where they are allowed to search your house while you are gone and they don't have to tell you they were even there. All part of the "Fight on Terrorism". Because if you aren't with the gov't, then you are a terrorist. I doubt Canada would ever pass something like this. I seen this document on video also on different parts of the net. Also seen someone talking about it on a news special, I think it was BBC.
 
Shithead said:
the kind of intelligence i'm talking of is people who think for themselves.

they use books, people, education not to create an understanding for them but to aid them in creating their own understanding.

what im trying to say is really really hard to explain.

Oh please. I've never heard that one come from a lefty before. :s

I find it incredibly ironic that you claim that people that think for themselves would vote for John Kerry vs. people that don't. How many people voted for John Kerry because of Michael Moore or because celebrities said to? And who was telling me to vote for Bush and not think for myself? And what gives you the impression that I don't think for myself, that I rely on books, people and education to think for me? I think you have it backwards, and I also think you're a moron, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

As I said, it's a difference in political thought and morals.
 
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Yeah thanks for telling me I have been brainwashed. I can't compete with a bunch of left-wing conformists anyhow. Also, just because your IQ is 155 doesn't mean your are knowledgeable, it just means that you think like everyone else that took that IQ test, congratulations.

I'm done bash me as much as you want. Go on believe lies, enjoy invasion of privacy with the Patriot Act, Privatized Social Security, and more religion than you can handle making laws at he supreme court and Presidential level.

Yeah and make sure to use the Micheal Moore slam when you read this, because he brainwashed me and so did the Liberal Media. Please help me to think like you.
 
Sit down and watch fahrenheit 911 and then fahrenhype 911 in the same evening. Compare the information and draw your on conclusions (hint: the truth lies in the middle, and its not hard truth).

Now the idea of cops entering my home and looking around sends my into a rage! I shit you not. I am not a fan of the police. Often they are worse than criminals and I do not trust or respect most cops. Here is some info on those 'sneak and peek warrents'.
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By a stunning 309-118 vote, the House of Representatives on July 22, reflecting a growing apprehension about the USA Patriot act around the country, voted to deny funding for a key section of that act. Before that move, at least 142 cities and towns and three state legislatures, have passedstrongresolutions against the Patriot Act.
The action by the House is the first time either chamber of Congress has voted to revoke any part of the act. The size of the overwhelming bipartisan vote reflects the concern many members are hearing from their constituents across the country about diminishing individual liberties under the act — with the attorney general working on an even more invasive Patriot Act II.
The House — in the amendment to the appropriations bill for the Commerce, State and Justice departments — focused on Section 213 of the Patriot Act, which is actually called the "sneak-and-peek" provision in the legislation. The section gives federal law enforcement agencies the power to enter a home or office while the occupant is elsewhere. A warrant is still required, but under a lower evidentiary standard than before the act was passed.
During the covert search, agents can take photographs,seize physical property, examine a computer's hard drive and insert the digital "magic lantern," also known as the "sniffer keystroke logger." Once installed, the program creates a record of every stroke you make, whether you transmit it over the Internet or not. On another unannounced "sneak-and-peak" search, the agents can download that information — which constitutes an additional government invasion of what's left of your privacy.
The House amendment ending funding (not yet addressed by the Senate) is aimed at Section 213's delay in notifying the occupants that their premises have been searched. With few exceptions, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure have required that agents leave a copy of the warrant and a receipt of confiscated items where the property was taken.
That way, you and your lawyer can immediately challenge the search. The agents may have had the wrong address, wrong name or exceeded the limits of the warrant in what they took.
Limited notification delays have been allowed in the past if, for example, there is danger that the occupant will flee prosecution. But Section 213 expands these delays to 90 days or, if a judge agrees, longer. These secret searches apply not only to alleged national security probes, but also to any criminal investigation.
This amendment — a historic reminder that the British "general search warrant" was a precipitating cause of the AmericanRevolution—is co-sponsored by Republican libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (Texas); Democrat and presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio); and Republican Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter (Idaho). Of the 309 votes favoring the measure, 113 were Republicans.
Mr.Otter, a rancher and strong advocate of gun and property rights, was the driving force in this amendment that Sam Adams would have called patriotism. "Congress is joining the American people and coming to its senses," Mr. Otter says. "This is just the beginning of a crusade to which more and more of my colleagues are rallying.
"I completely understand the passion that gripped us all as the smoke was still rising from the ruins in New York and here in Washington," Mr. Otter says. "Who would not feel compelled to act, with the cries of victims and their families still ringing in our ears? But this law (the USA Patriot Act) goes too far, and in doing so, it gives our enemies the kind of victory they could never win on their own."
The Justice Department will, of course, use all of its political resources to kill a similar measure in the Senate. Already, Justice officials have attempted to malign this significant measure by calling it the "terrorist tipoff amendment." If the House rebellion against the overreaching of the Patriot Act survives a joint conference meeting between the House and Senate, President Bush will decide whether to sign or veto the vigorous bipartisan House defense of this crucial American liberty.
When James Otis of Boston spoke in the King's court in Massachusetts in 1761 against the sweeping British searches of colonial homes and businesses, he lost the case. But John Adams, who was in the courtroom, noted: "Then and there the child Independence was Born."
Now, more than two centuries later, it is Mr. Otter's hope that "with this amendment we begin the process of regaining the title of a nation of people who are fit for liberty" — and, under the Constitution, will be safe and free.
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So anyway...you know, our elected representatives, the Aclu, and media will help to keep things in check without going nuts and giving away everything like some drunken whore i.e. democratically controlled white house and congress, IMHO.
p.s. No offense to drunken whores, God love em. LMAO
 
Everything turned out how I wished except for some of the amendments in Florida. One passed to raise the minimum wage $1.00! That's ridiculous. People just think that money comes out of the air or somethin because businesses are gonna let people go and raise prices now. Governer Bush is trying to let us vote to repeal it. Another stupid amendment is that 3 malpractices and doctors lose their licenses. Thanx for scaring even more doctors out of Florida. A lot of doctors have already left because of the damn ambulance chasing attornies. All the damn lawyers propose all these amendments for them to make more money. We had like 4 on this years ballot that would eiether hurt or help lawyers. At leats one passed to limit their fees to 30% instead of near 50%. I'm glad one amendment passed that will make it harder to put amendments on the constitution because people are abusing it. 2 years ago an amendment passed regulating the housing for pigs on farms. So now farmers had to buy a lot more land but instead they just shut down or left. Seriously what the fuck do pigs have to do with the constitution. I'm sick of all these liberal amendments screwin up everything.
 
Hey! What happened to my post about Bush's coke snorting days?
 
Hey Shafty, I think you posted that on the other thread, where GWB shows his middle finger. :)
 
Ahh... that I did indeed! How stupid of me to think that such a post may have been censored by the mods.
 
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