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DWTS00 said:
Tren and deca can cause erection problems for sum
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Bull... i've run test/tren and test/deca cycles and each time i experienced deca/tren dick right around week 6. I always ran test higher but it didn't stop the limp dick. For this reason i don't run tren or nandrolone for more than 6 weeks and prefer not to run deca at all. In my opinion, there are alot of other gear to use besides deca.DWTS00 said:
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That's a very good cycle, but igf and slin aren't enough for pct. You will still need to add a SERM like clomid or nolva (preferably).DWTS00 said:Test-EQ-Var(T-bol would be better than the Var)-IGF-1 and slin during PCT
how about this cycle
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Test is suppose to minimize the the libido issues from tren/deca but it doesn't eliminate it, at least for me it didn't...DWTS00 said:
1st cycle with test/tren
weeks 1-8 test prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 tren ace 75mg EOD
Next
weeks 1-8 test prop 150mg ED
Weeks 1-8 tren ace 100mg ED
next
weeks 1-12 test E 750mg EW
weeks 1-12 tren E 500mg EW
All cycles end with clomid/Nolva PCT (with other ancilliaries) for 4 weeks minimum.
I've found that if i don't go over 6 weeks i don't really get the bad sides so i now only do burst cycles for 4-6 weeks. I'm actually planning a year long cycle of 4on/4off. To do that, i will only run short ester gear like test prop, tren ace, and nandrolone phenylprop with dbol and drol.
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DWTS00 said:
Everyone responds to gear different,i never had a problem with tren or deca but i no a few that have.
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sikdogg said:
umm it kicks in about week 4 or smth it should be run for 10-12 weeks. Let me tell you whats wrong with this cycle..why were u over laping the 2 trens??
why were u running Test prop for 8 weeks? if u wanna run it more than 4 then maybe 6 but not 8 If your gonna run tren just run one tren if its Tren-E run it from week 1-12 but no need for tren Ace they (Tren+test) will most likely kick in together.
thats too much fucking tren!!!! my friend has 4-5 cycles under his belt and hes runnin 300-400 mg a week not 1.2 gram!!! unless ur a total monster no need for this dose it has an anabolic score of 500!!!!androgenic 500 compared to test which is 100/100.
u shouldnt alter doses they should be as constant as possible to keep bloodlevels steady to avoid sides.
Man u need to do some reading from a good source before you start again
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sikdogg said:
Ahh ok my bad but man you shouldnt run a cycle for 1 year 4 on 4 off Im not putting u down Im just telling ya whats good for you read a bit more about this before u start again! theres this steroid book which came out u can find it on bulknutrition.com its very good and will help u tons!!!!
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Bro it kicks in much sooner than that... acetate and propionate have a half-life of 3-4.5 days. It doesn't take 4 weeks for them to kick in. As a said earlier, they were three separate cycles, the first two were 8 weekers and the third was a 12 weeker because of the longer ester. They were all finished off with PCT.DWTS00 said:
u shouldnt alter doses they should be as constant as possible to keep bloodlevels steady to avoid sides.
Man u need to do some reading from a good source before you start again[/QUOTE]
Bro i've done a hell of alot more than 4-5 cycles and know more about cycling then you or your buddy. I've done cycles of over a gram of gear and let me tell you, the gains are unreal. No cycle of 500mg EW can even come close. Some that have tried cycles of over two grams and claim that magic happens in terms of gains.
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DWTS00 No flame mate but am i right thinking you have never ran a cycle and yet you are giving advice out?
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Actually, doing burst cycles back-to-back is better than the alternative of running 2 or 3 longer cycles per year. If you take the average gearhead, he'll run fewer cycles but fior much longer. Over a years time, he will probably be on close to 6 months and off for 6. The problem with the conventional cycling methodologies is that they suppress you way too much that recovery can easily take 3 months. Suppression of HPTA is directly proportional to the time on, more so than the amount of gear that you use.DWTS00 said:
Burst cycles allow you to make smaller gains and recover quicker due to the short time you're exposed to exogenous androgens. Since i've done burst cycles, i'm able to keep my gains better, recover faster, and experience less sides. I'll never go back to long cycles.
This is one of the guys that got me started on doing burst cycles:
size said:For quite some time, the concept of short cycles has been bouncing around in my mind, but since AAS seem to be a thing of the past for me I neglected writing it down. However, after reviewing the amazing gains made by jminis on his short cycle according to ALR's protocol, I decided I would write some rough ideas for discussion. Initially, one needs to recognize that these are just my thoughts on the matter and not an in depth scientific study.
First, consider the composition of a typical cycle. The conventional cycles tend to last 8-12 weeks, but the range can reach 24+ weeks. Now examine two typical cycles, 8 weeks and 12 weeks for practical purposes. With each cycle, one ideally follows the concept of equal time on/off. However, the equal time on.off doctrine is not always followed. Particularly, when cycles tend to linger for longer periods, the time off tends to decrease. For instance, an 18 week cycle may be followed by 12 weeks off, rightly or wrongly is not significant.
Average cycles consist of a variety of AAS from test enan to nandrolone decanoate to tren acetate to test propionate etc. However, at this point I am ignoring specific drugs/cycle construction and assuming that one has an understanding of AAS(like I said, rough ideas). Instead, I will focus on time on/off. First, consider the 8week cycle. 8 weeks on is followed by 8 weeks off for a total of 16 weeks to complete a “cycle life�. During this period, I will assume a net gain of 15lbs. Following the same 8week on/off “cycle life� one could complete 3 cycles yearly. If we generously assume, equivalent gains for each period, then one nets 45 lbs yearly. Over the course of a year, one is using AAS for 24 weeks. Moving on to the 12 week cycle following the same approach, but rather than applying 12on/off, I will use 12 on / 10 off. Realistically, I think individuals are more likely to follow this for a few reasons which I assume you can decipher. So, 12 weeks on is followed by 10 weeks off for a total of 22 weeks in a “cycle life�. Such an approach allows for two cycles yearly. Longer periods on tend to correlate with more weight gain (not always though). Consequently, I assume a net gain of 20lbs per cycle and a total net gain of 40lbs yearly. In one year, again, 24 weeks of AAS usage. In both cases there are extra weeks in each year to start a cycle but not enough time to complete a “cycle life�(time on +time off=cycle life).
Yearly gains of 40 and 45 pounds are great. I believe the vast majority would be satisfied with such increases in mass. However, I postulate that net gains are not the only concern. Personally, I am concerned about my health 5 to 20 years from now. The side effects from AAS usage are a reality. While, they are not (in my opinion) near the extreme painted by the masses, the side effects do exist. Now in my experience, side effects correlate not only with drug dosages but also with time on. The greater period “on� tends to manifest a higher number of side effects and severity of side effects. Moving on from side effects while using AAS, one needs to consider recovery to a normal hormonal balance. Cycle length seeming has a direct impact on recovery, as does drug usage. Longer cycles trend towards longer and more difficult recovery periods. This seems especially true for the older user. Difficult recoveries can lead directly into a host of new problems, depression, weight loss, lots of bad days
Now, consider the shorter cycle approach. I will call it a burst cycle because in theory one bursts into and out of the cycle. Ideally, I believe these cycles should only last 4 or 5 weeks of AAS usage. However, I consider an off period of “time on + 2weeks� should be maintained. These noticeable 2 weeks are to add additional time where one is not using any exogenous hormones or manipulating hormones via pharmaceuticals. Following either the 4 or 5 week on, I reasonably assume one could achieve a net gain of 7.5lbs. Note, the “cycle life� of each is 10 and 12 weeks. Applying this yearly for the 4 weeks on, one could compete 5 cycles and assumingly net 37.5 lbs. Over this year actual time on, is only 20 weeks. Notice this is 4 fewer weeks of AAS usage when compared to the longer cycles.
The key to these burst cycles are the AAS used. Ideally, one should use the base compounds but prop ester(for example) should work as well. In addition, an oral compound could be added and used for the entirety of the cycle. Drug selection may come down to preference. However, the key is to use AAS that are “fast� acting and for this reason the base compounds would make ideal selections.
To me the “burst� protocol is more logical. In addition, I truly believe that while such an approach may not yield as great a weight gain, it will not be as taxing on one’s health. Personally, I believe this exchange is worth the cost.
I probably made a few mistakes while writing this as I had to do it twice since my computer locked up and it is late. I hope it makes sense to you.
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prince Albert said:
yup ur right I have never run AAS just slin/t4 Im 18 and I have stated this somewhere here btw...
Do I have to have tried something to give advice about it??? I do know a bit about AAS If I know wut Im talkin about I will...If I dont Ill shut up
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