Almost died on Monday!!!

I still recommend taking it easy. The doctors don't have time to cover everything. Plus being a young lad still there were probably assumptions made about your ability to bounce back. Give your body a chance to repair any possible trauma to the vessels. You were in the hospital for a day with your BP high that whole time. Why take a chance with something like that?

I really appreciate the support and advice, thanks and I have found talking about it has helped me deal with the trauma afterwards. To clarify, yes it was a ventricular tachycardia as I had this in writing on the notes and the ECG scans confirmed it but the werent that arsed about it because my body got the heart out of that rhytHydromax very quickly, otherwise from what I have learned about that particler tachy I would have had a heart attack. That was why the blood pressure was sky rocketing through the roof, as at that time my heart just leapt out my chest and I was going cold, numb and felt like shit plus I vomited. They looked anxious and I knew it wasnt good but luckily my body got out of the rhytHydromax.

Good link about heart conditions and that type of tachycardia http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-...t&contentID=7909&wosid=WbYjelb7fcI1sAFyFcBl2w

Yes I will keep out the gym. I still aint 100% and have been getting very slight sensations in the chest region, like very small feelings of tightness ... not much, very slight indeed and very subtle like shocks, electric shocks that are very rare and quick. No pain. I'm still aware at times of my heart rate and it has gone up slightly from time to time. Been feeling hot in the face and flushed but this has started to subside.

The heart is muscle and working that hard will leave it sore like working your legs in the gym. Hang in there Red.

I intend to, for many years to come. Its just made me realise how powerful shit like Caffeine can be, how stupid and naive I was and how delicate but powerful the heart can be at the sometime. The heart is very resilient, I mean pounding away at all them beats per minute like it was with me for around 36 hours is just WOW with the first 18 hours being like a fucking sprint.

I have been feeling little light headed today and before felt my heart speed up slightly when I got off the bed from a quick nap and had to sit down on the toilet seat, take a few deep breaths and gather myself. It wasn't anything like at the hospital, nothing like it at all but think it was the blood pressure altering itself and I'm still at times more aware of the heart beat.

The Caffeine will also still be sending off side effects to me as it was a large dose and that stuff sets off Adenosine levels in the head going and noticed the other day the veins in my head were very dilated and I've had hot flushes. Researched and found its because of the Adenosine that's raised from the crash of the Caffeine. They also use Adenosine to kick-start the heart sometimes. Says it takes around 5 days for the levels to get back to normal from the Caffeine intake.

Reckon my magnesium, calcium and potassium levels might be bit fucked up as well. Getting a multi vitamin and mineral formula soon.

Irafreak1, what do you specialise in? I've been told the US pays good for medical staff and many from the NHS aim to move into the states for that better pay but its hard to get in as they have strict entrance exams, so I assume the US has very well trained medical personnel. Also on a side note, some of the nurses and doctors at the hospital were HOT as fuck ... damn the one that seen to me was gorgeous ... that's enough to give you palpitations hahaha

WOW dude,that is a story.I'm so glad that you are OK and on your way to recovery from this.Scary stuff alright.Ya,caffeine and those energy drinks are pretty potent for some,especially combined with other substances.But I noticed you still maintain a sense of humour,talking about those HOT ass chicks in the hospital...only you red would be able to do something like that,keeping your head up high,and thinking about those gorgeous babes....haha.Anyways,glad to have you back healthy again.

haha yeah man, its insane innit. The Nurse that came to me was HOT as hell man and the doctor was a female who seen to me and a junior in grade but again rather tasty! Shouldn't joke about this, but if I'ad have died it would have been in the presence of beautiful women. Damn I want a job working in the hospital and on the wards more of those hotties were around and on my first night when I was having bad chest pains and palpitations they got the on call doctor and I was resting on my back at the time in bed when she came in, still had the palpitations and hooked to a machine. It was more anxiety causing that problem and I was okay but DAMN she was hot as fuck!!! nice blonde and I was like OMFG this gives me palpitations.

Well if our current administration has it's way a lot of medical professionals will be retiring as they we soon become underpaid and still overworked. To let you know about our education...I'm only a chiropractor and I (still am) was put through the ringer. We've had so many chiro students graduate or just leave early to go to med school cause it's not much more intense. We had a russian med doc teaching one of our classes and he was doing that because he would have to intern for 5 years with another doc in the states before he could practice on his own and he didn't want to be someone's bitch again.

So we have some strict policies but the amount of stuff you have to know...practice is better than any amount of education. I've learned the most spending the last year in clinic working with real people. I say the guy comes in from russia with everything in order he should be able to practice (having previous experience)

So essentially the US is more geared towards learning the medical students hands on and practical, rather than being obsessed with getting them with degrees and stuff? Yeah if Obama gets his way the US will have a system like here in the UK, called the NHS which means everyone has free healthcare from the taxes they pay when they work and it works out great here.

Our medical staff are overworked, but that's the field and I have worked in it myself and just the way it is. The higher qualified you are though and more the ladder you go up the more money you get, but the hours worked is just shocking. I was doing 64-72 hours each-week on suicide watches in secure units and I know Psychiatrists and doctors have done 100+ hours each-week.

Have you ever thought of joining the NHS here in the UK?

Also I'm allot better now today mate. I felt good at college and I'm going to adapt a more positive attitude to life from now on.

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Also I'm allot better now today mate. I felt good at college and I'm going to adapt a more positive attitude to life from now on.

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Good for you RED! Your not the type to take anything sitting down, you are a trooper!

Yeah and its what life has made me become but with that experience I want it to make me more relaxed and not take things so serious from people that used to work me up in the past. Thats what I have started to implement, as the saying goes ''Lifes too short'' and sure it is that. When you literally see the wave patterns of your heart fluttering on the monitor and see the heart literally trying to get out of your chest, best way to describe it was like in the Aliens films when those things burst out of the chest, they would be bulging in the chest ... like that. Could have all easily gone the other way and I'm so thankful to be okay.

Also here is a good site with resources on deaths and near deaths with caffeine in the medical literature http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_health.shtml & how caffeine works http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_pharmacology1.shtml

I would like to know as well what type of programmes or courses such as those by Dr Wade Dyer and other motivational speakers, meditators and those who follow the law of attraction I could implement to have a more positive fulfilling mind from now on?

Red, the reforms coming in the US won't get anywhere close to NHS, which is true socialized medicine. In fact, it doesn't even get close to a single-payer system like Canada's. Canada's system, like the UK system, works much better than the US system while at the same time covering everybody, but it's different from the UK system in that medical professionals are not government employees like they are in the UK. In Canada, the government provides health insurance that pays for services from non-government health care professionals. The reforms Obama and Congressional Democrats and Independents are currently working on passing won't even have a public (government) insurance OPTION because the politicians in the pockets of the insurance companies in the US have managed to crush even that. The insurance companies, with the help of their bought-and-paid-for politicians and the corporate-owned media, have managed to convince a lot of people that minor incremental reforms to the completely private (and to remain completely private) health insurance system in the US is the same thing as suddenly imposing Trotskyism on the country.

More on-topic: are you sure it was the caffeine that did this to you? Hadn't you ever taken signficant amounts of caffeine in the past?

I hope one-day the US does implement a system like that of the NHS. The UK is the envy of many across the world for its health system and yet many here stil moan about it. Does the US have secure checks on staff? like criminal record checks and if they have had cautions, warnings etc and even if they were arrested and not convicted? that is the case in the NHS, very strict .. over the top in my opinion.

Yes it was the Caffeine, but also the medication I take(Venlafaxine ''Efexor XL'') made it worse and slowed down its metabolism from the body, so hence it was in my longer. I took 2 grammes which is allot and the lethal range in humans is 3-11g or so.

Highest I took in the past was 300mg and I felt slight dizziness and effects than, but nothing major to cause alarm. Some people are very sensitive to Caffeine and can be allergic to it.

Got very highly qualified staff across the states and many even here in the UK go to the US for specliased surgery the NHS wont provide, so hence they must pay but they than get it.

Hitting this thread because a few days ago it has been reported in the British news that a man died of Caffeine intoxication. Full story here and here.

2000mg??? WTF man?

Glad you're doing better

My case, yeah 2000mg is 2g but the guy in question who died must have taken around approx 10000mg = 10g because it said two spoonful's of the stuff and one tea spoon is around 5 grammes but if he used a table spoon is slightly more than double the amount and approx 12-13g which would mean he may have had 20-25g if that was his route. At 10g its well in the lethal range for Caffeine, it usually starts at 3g from the medical literature I've fingered and scanned through but less has been known to cause severe reactions (Myself) and of course those on medications, mixing it with alcohol, elderly etc etc are going to throw in more contraindications.

I agree that all Caffeine supplements should be banned, especially the powders. These energy drinks as well are highly addictive and the reason .... Caffeine and its a sick way the companies make money ... disgusting, they don't care about how dangerous alcohol is when mixed with caffeine. Its VERY dangerous indeed, this lad I think could have a chance if he had not had alcohol and the other energy drink but them mixed in with the Caffeine and you have a chemistry set gone wrong. May he RIP and my thoughts go to the family, he just didn't realise what he was messing with.

Scary thing is I only noticed afterwards that he died in April this year, a month after my encounter with the same stuff!!!!

Mate - thank god you are ok - just seen all of this - DLD is right with the Aspirin - it saved my grandfathers life (he is in his late 90s now but wouldnt have seen through his 70s without taking aspirin when he started to get bad chest pains) - take things easy and look after your self

Yea Red, sorry I just saw this. Glad you made it ok. My first thought, being into supplements and such myself for years now was TWO GRAMS of caffeine??? I thought maybe the UK had some much more lax laws on supplements for a moment, but re-read your post to see that it was taken ALONG WITH the energy drink. Damn. Most caffeine I've ever taken was 2 pills, 200mg each before hitting the gym. You're a lucky bastard for sure.

I disagree with banning supplements though based on what they have the potential to do when abused. That's just more regulation of our lives we don't need. A thing called Darwinism used to keep populations under control more efficiently. You're not supposed to be able to regulate people's lives into safety. The dumb weeded themselves out of society. Now, we have life saving technologies that even the dumbest of the dumb can count on to save their ass when they should have bit it. I'm not saying of course. that people don't make mistakes...but still. People should be allowed to make mistakes, and hopefully learn from them. Too many people though make mistakes and keep making them. We tend to give too many people who should have 2 lives, 9 lives.

Good post mate. Yeah I had 2g but didn't neck it back with an energy drink, that's the other guy I mentioned recently who died from the stuff. He must have taken around 10g if not more and within 15 minutes was sweating severely and vomiting blood. I agree in part about not banning stuff to enable society to learn but with such strong drugs as Caffeine and even Yohimbine or is it Yohimbe? that can easily kill if abused, yet the message about abusing them isn't clear. Not many people realise Caffeine can kill, does kill and will kill. Its slowly killing anyone who drinks more than the RDA which is around 250-300mg and what will happen is the thyroid and adrenal glands will fuck up in the end. I think limits should be placed at least, no more large 100g powders of Caffeine. I think marijuana though should be made legal although controlled, this would kill off allot of illegal drug trade and imho its nowhere near as dangerous like alcohol is and even Nicotine.

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Mate - thank god you are ok - just seen all of this - DLD is right with the Aspirin - it saved my grandfathers life (he is in his late 90s now but wouldnt have seen through his 70s without taking aspirin when he started to get bad chest pains) - take things easy and look after your self

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I take an aspirin every night as this is a good preventative maintenance for the heart.

Dam Red hope you are doing ok now m8.

2000 mg of Coffeine i mean WTF where you thinking man? You are lucky you stayed alive.
In most cases with that high dosage results would be fatal.That would kill an elephant.
Ditch the caffeine or drink micro-dosage just to get a mild stimulation.
Dont play with your health man or i will have to jump on the plane to England and rape you in your hairy ass.

Stay well m8.