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I wanted to give you all an idea of what women think about restoration. As there is only one woman I know of that I could interview to get a woman's perspective, I sought my wife's help. Of course, I can only say that this is a biased interview. Before I asked her these questions, I told her that I wanted her to be as open and honest as possible. I did not want her to spare my feelings. Since she knows how passionate I am about FR, she agreed to be as honest as possible. Take that for what you will, but some of her answers surprised me and made me realize just how different men and women are regarding sex and circumcision.

What were your earliest impressions growing up concerning circumcised and uncircumcised men?

I grew up in Chicago. As far as I knew, everyone there was circumcised. I was raised to believe that all Christian boys were supposed to be circumcised, that it was the normal way to be, and that it was cleaner. I believed that uncut men were deformed and gross-looking. I guess I mainly got those ideas from my mother, who always blamed my father-- who was uncircumcised-- for giving her all kinds of female problems like yeast infections. My dad actually went to a doctor to see about getting himself circumcised because of my mother, but after he found out what they wanted to do to him, he took out of there like a shot!

Your husband is restoring his foreskin now. Have you had any past sexual experiences with an intact male?

No. I never even looked at an intact penis until my husband began to research foreskin restoration.

Not even fooling around with an old boyfriend? See one or touch one?

No, everyone we knew of was circumcised.

You didn't even hear any stories from your girlfriends growing up?

No.

What were your initial reactions when you learned your husband planned to restore his foreskin?

[Laughs] I thought: "Oh God! Gross! He has LOST it! How can I talk him out of it?" I was afraid that it would look deformed and that the foreskin wouldn't retract. I dreaded the thought of performing oral sex with all that extra skin, and was afraid that intercourse would feel weird.

At what point did you grow aware of changes to your sex life as your husband restored?

After a month or two, when the skin began to grow, I noticed that there was less friction and I stayed more lubricated. I also began to notice that the head was smoother and moister. It also seemed to get "thicker".

What are the differences that you notice compared to your sex life before he began to restore?

Before? The ridge of his head was very rough. When he put it in, I could feel the glans, corona and shaft distinctly, like they were seperate parts. His penis was very rigid and dry, regardless of how lubed I was. After I came, it almost felt like a dildo because of the friction. When I came, I wanted it over with shortly afterwards due to discomfort from dryness. Sometimes, if we were going at it, it would hurt if it "hit the spot" hard. Also, I thought his balls were big, but they were stretched up and tight to the shaft when he got hard.

What are your current feelings regarding his restoration, and what do you expect as he completes his restoration?

The main thing I can see, appearance-wise, is the color. His penis changed from a pinkish-red color to a nicer olive-tan color. His balls seemed to drop and take on a more natural shape. They do not seem to be stretched up the shaft so much. I also notice them hitting my rectum during sex instead of my lips, and it is a real turn-on for me. I enjoy playing with the skin during foreplay. [Giggles] It's my new toy! My husband is more sensitive, too, so I don't have to try so hard. I am looking forward to the point where he has better coverage when he's hard. He doesn't have full coverage yet. Also, his head is more pleasant to look at. It does not seem as swollen and mushroomy.


What about smell? Taste?

It tastes better when giving oral. It didn't have its own taste before. I could just taste my own saliva... or it tasted like skin, like the back of my hand. Now it has a real taste...more natural. I don't know how to describe it. It's not really sweet... Just it's own taste, I guess.

And the smell?

I haven't really noticed a different smell. All dicks smell like sweaty balls! [Laughs] Don't put that! That's gross! [Laughs]

Has your husband's restoration made a profound difference in your sex life?

God, yes! 100 percent! I was totally against it at first until I began to see the results. The difference is indescribable! No comparison. If I had been with an uncircumcised man first, I don't think I could go back. The main difference is lubrication. Lubrication is everything for a woman! I stay moist the whole time now. There's no friction. The corona seems less abrasive. The penis feels more whole, and less like it is distinctly seperated into parts-- the head, the ridge and the shaft. The gliding of the skin is more comfortable and pleasurable. I want to have sex longer. I was worried about the skin going in my vagina. I didn't understand how it worked, but I've found that it all moves together more naturally, like one part. Compared to uncut, a cut penis feels like a tampon being inserted without the applicator. Make sure you put that in there. The ladies will know what I am talking about. My husband is more passionate now and does not seem as hurried. He stays harder longer and does not thrust as hard. During sex, he stays in deeper and moves his pelvis against me more sensually. I thought all the hard banging was normal before, that it was good sex, but now I know the difference!

Would you recommend restoration to other wives?

Absolutely. I would encourage them to urge their husband's to restore if they are having any problems with lubrication, or just to enhance the pleasure of lovemaking. Tell them to make their husbands do it for a couple months and he will see the benefits, too! Make them do the work while you reap the rewards and enjoy! [Laughs] Also, I want to say this: As mothers, we make this decision to circumcise men, but we are only hurting ourselves. The truth is so distorted. No wonder so many women don't like sex.

Have you noticed any negatives with your husband's restoration?

[Laughs] Only that he has become obsessed with it...but I guess I would be too if I were in his place!

Note from Kong-- You can take this or leave it. These are my wife's words. I asked her to be as honest as possible. Some of the things she said really surprised me-- mainly that she did not notice a smell, because it is so worried over by men, and also the deal with the lubrication. I didn't know that lubrication was so important, but I guess it is for women. I know this is a biased interview, but I think it is also enlightening, and helps us see FR from a female's perspective. Thanks, baby!
 
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My wife is very excited that I posted this interview on such a big forum. She is interested in hearing what you guys, and gals, think about it. She would be happy to answer any questions also, if you wanted to ask her anything concerning FR from a woman's perspective. Give her a yell, as she is checking in on it today. But be nice. You know how I can get. It goes double if you mess with my lady!
 
She sounds like pretty much the normal everyday woman IMO. Everyone I know is all circumsised and I would assume the chicks have always been with circumsied guys.

I like those answers tho!

Plus, she sounds like shes definitly a fun wife!

Lucky fucker...
 
BiffyStiffy said:
Do you trust her answers are 100% genuine?

Kong says: I trust her. She very rarely spares my feelings...on anything. She usually just calls it like she sees it!

Mrs. Kong says: I was totally honest. Believe me, if my answers were different, I would post them. If there are any other women out there with restoring men, please feel free to post your opinions. I would be happy to read them. If any of you men out there have any questions, let me know. I will tell it like it is! Gotta go, it makes me horny talking about it. ha. God Bless.

Kong says: ;)
 
HaHa, well there you go, definitive proof! Circumcised penises feel like tampons being insterted into the vagina and all women go crazy for the sweet and natural smell of a foreskin, nor could they go back to a circumcised man after experiencing a foreskin.

Honestly, if anybody buys into this "interview" then go for it. Here are some quotes from German Stallion, one of the most respected and longest posting forum members, who entirely restored his foreskin. They can be found in their original posts in the forum as well.

"Okay, I will tell you...first I don't like the smell. It is very hard to keep clean and for these many, many years, I was circumcised and it was clean and easy to take care of. Now, when you urinate, you have the constant problem of having to pull the foreskin back and then you still get the residue. Next, I have a lot of foreskin over the glans and it is not tight, very floppy. Although when I have the "turtle" effect, it shrinks very much like a normal foreskin. I must have had some of the muscus membrane left because I get a very glassy film over the glans. Is the glans more sensitive, no. I can't and don't see the differenance. I have an intact frenulum, so that was and is not a problem. Sex is good, but the foreskin isn't a positive factor. So, this is my observations. GS"

but more importantly . . .

"Pick your choice, but I tell you it is better circumcised. I am very sexually active. It took several years to get the foreskin totally covering the glans. You will remember what I am telling you. As for those of you who, like Supra, are restoring, you are not restored so you don't have a clue what you are going to experinece when you get restored. As to sensitivity...do I now notice a difference? Not really. Sex and sensitivity was good before and still is, but as to more sensitive...with the foreskin. I don't think so. I have had a total foreskin now for a couple years. I guess you could say that my foreskin is not as tight as an uncut man, but it surely covers totally. When erect, my glans is totally exposed. You can do the restoreing, and I wish you well. I only give you my observations, for experience. GS"

To read a very long and in-depth previous debate about circumcision with Kong, myself, and a few others, do a thread search for "Foreskin restoration Smell," orignally started by Supra. This contains the German Stallion Quotes (though not their thread of origin) as well as extended arguments from both sides. I suggest that anybody invest some time in reading before making up their minds about the matter.
 
Swank, honestly who cares. One way or the other. I do not understand what your problem is about men wanting to restore their foreskins. GS can say what he wants, as he stated to having an intact frenulum that would indeed make a difference in his sensation even though he was circumsized. If you understand anatomy you would see whay that is important. So please give it a rest. Kong is posting to encourage those who are interested in seeing what the differences can be. I personally FR not because anyone ever told me about the magic benefits of sensation etc. So it's not all about what you feel. For me I was gaining extra skin from Penis Enlargement anyway, so I figured what the heck. The smell is not so bad, in fact when it's not there I wonder if something's wrong. So let the issue rest, please. Just like everything else on this forum you can take it or leave it, your choice. Just like the ROP was in it's time on the forum. There was no concrete evidence, yet there were many of us who saw results with it. I know FR has helped me with a softening of the glans, a better color to the skin (I have bruising issues), and well as having lower hanging balls. You can take kongs wife's comments as you want. From a female perspective I believe it is valid. She's not speaking for all women, but for herself. So for all those guys wanting some encouragement this is worth the read, and those not interested don't read it. This is issue should be over by now, so let's not continue down this road any longer.
 
By all means, investigate for yourself!

As far as discounting my "interview" I do admit it is biased. It is also my wife's words, verbatim. Believe what you want. However, you have to admit that you quote GS as gospel...only because he agrees with your views.

The passage of time brings change, always. Some look to the future with hope. Others shy from it out of fear and cling to the past and its familiar ideas... I look forward to a time when very few children, male or female, are needlessly mutilated at birth, and useless and outdated practices born of sexual phobias or religious strictures are recognized as barbaric and appropriately discarded.
 
Thanks, million. I do not know what his problem is either. I suspect that the idea of FR threatens his ego in some manner. It's either that, or he just has to have the last word...and you know that THAT'S not going to happen! :D Either way, he has gone beyond even Devil's Advocate and into the realm of boring ass...but its his dime, I guess. He thinks he's having some kind of pissing contest with me. I'm just using him to get more of my ideas put out there.
 
Kong, really good post here man. Only reason I am not actively pursuing foreskin restoration myself, is because I am a hanger. I have already gained some foreskin back indirectly from my hanging and I will begin hanging again very soon. I expect to have a fully restored foreskin by the time I am done hanging as an indirect side effect of stretching the penis and the skin while hanging. If not, I will most likely pursue FR. Or, I may go ahead and do both when I get back to hangin. Probably within the next few weeks.
 
Kong that post was FANTASTIC! VERY VERY good Two thumbs up
 

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Really good Idea there kong, posting an interview! I like it a lot, good quality post.
 
Thanks guys! It sure is appreciated. You guys "get it" and that means alot to me.

AC, although I respect a dissenting opinion, the very fact that she said absolutely not none at all makes me a little skeptical. The penis, is in fact, anatomically different. How could she feel nothing different? I could go along with, "Not much. There's some differences, but nothing major." Instead, we get the automaton: "nothereisnodifferencerepeatthereisnodifference"

I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and be more positive and open-minded, but there's bullshit on both sides...!
 
Look, I have repeatedly refused to make this a personal argument between Kong and myself, but this "interview" is BS (in my opinon). And please allow me to state some things here. Kong has claimed that this interview with his wife is transcribed verbatum. I just have a a few points to bring up.

Befire I get started on this interview, let me explain where Kong's 'wife' got started posting around here.

I had publicly announced, in response to a thread started by Kong, that I was not a "psuedo-male" due to the fact that I was circumcised. I offered personal proof of this (big mistake), this proof being that I was able to bring my girlfriend to not only intense, but often multiple orgasms per session, with my circumcsied penis.

Kong was upset by this. He first posted in a manner which suggested that I was making things up entirely (penis size, sexual experience, current sexual relations with girlfirend), which I tried to be a good sport about (what can you prove on the internet?).

I assured Kong that he could in fact be correct, but that I felt my current girlfriend, whom I have cohabitated with for over almost a year, ejacualtes small amounts of fluid during most orgasms, has bright red facial and chest flushing, and also has strong vaginal contractions, was not faking in my opinion. This says nothing of the fact that she's a 29 year old professional woman that I love and respect, as well as the fact that I highly doubt she would teach herself to ejaculate and put on such a show just to protect my ego these last eleven months. Needless to say, the conversation had already become ridiculously personal, an dindeed, I was annoyed by it.

I tried to re-focus the the thread towards what I actually wanted to debate, (circumcison and FR) after trying to dismiss the previously brought up point of my sexual experiences. Kong, however, persisted. The thread is in the FR forum if anybody cares to get a full view of this behavior.

He brought up the impossibility that I was having enjoyable orgasmic sex with my girlfriend again, and finally had his 'wife' chip in, assuring me that I was not really making my girlfriend orgasm and that I'm too young to know what I'm doing (27, 28 in early March).

When explaining that I was just kidding myself about my girlfriend's (present and past) sexual pleasure, Kong was sure to set the record straight. He made it clear that while I was incapable of actually making a woman come or inducing her to multiples (which many of us know is more on the part of the woman's natural predispositons than any man's ability), Kong most certainly made his own wife orgasm, and and she defiantely had multiples on occassions. It was, however, laughable that I could produce this same accomplishment.

At any rate, the point of all that was to show that Kong's "wife's" statements are somehat questionable, in my opinion. They have been used by Kong to support his views and claims surrounding circumcision and FR exclusively, so I take them into consideration. I believe this idea was selected by Kong because the concept of questioning a member's wife is more or less a taboo move on a forum as widely supportive as this one. Though I do believe this to be a shrewd approach, I don believe these are Kong's wife's statement's, nor do I believe that that they may in fact be her words is a reason enough to not question them.

Please, let's be clear: this is just my opinion about this, and don't think it is anymore than that. I am posting my thoughts on one of Kong's posts and not positing it as the absolute truth. Kong swears this it is his wife speaking out of interest in the debate, I don't agree. It is up to anybody reading this to draw their own conclusions.
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Reasons This Interview Is Odd:

1. The story about the mother blaming the father is something I remember being described as a part of a scenario on certain anti-circ sites. I have not done any recent reserach on this, nor can I conclusively verify it, but I encourage men to look if they're reading and interested. If you can't find it out there, I'm guessing that I'm way off base and remembering wrong.

2. When asked about the taste of oral, Kong's wife responds that it has a new, unique, and preferable flavor. Ask as many women as you can about this before you accept it as a commonly held opinion. Also, research women's opinions on the internet. Online is not always a great conduit of info, but I have read women's forums where they discuss foreksins and oral sex explicitly, and those are likely one of the more insightful resources you'll find.

In fact, if you want answers on this foreskin preference question, I encrourage any man who doesn't want to ask women about it in person to get online and pose the question to a women's forum. Get your info straight from the source, not another man (or one woman, as the case may be).

3. She claims his head is not "so swollen and mushroomy." It is a common Penis Enlargement goal and ideal to have a developed penis head. Why is a developed and big head a detriment to female pleasure? We've heard of the gliding effect, does that mean women do not enjoy sexual friction at all? I think many men know this is not the case. Another interesting point is that the head is almost always swollen and exposed when the penis is erect, circumcised or not.

4. "When he put it in, I could feel the glans, corona and shaft distinctly, like they were seperate parts. His penis was very rigid and dry, regardless of how lubed I was. After I came, it almost felt like a dildo because of the friction. When I came, I wanted it over with shortly afterwards due to discomfort from dryness. Sometimes, if we were going at it, it would hurt if it "hit the spot" hard. Also, I thought his balls were big, but they were stretched up and tight to the shaft when he got hard."

This may be lazy, but does this sound like the commentary of any woman you know, or more likely the representations of a man that carries on daily discussions about penile anatomy and sexual mechanics. Do you know any woman that evaluates penile matters as an in depth as the whole 'interview' suggests? Again, this is just my opinion and in no way conclusive.

5. "Tell them to make their husbands do it for a couple months and he will see the benefits, too! Make them do the work while you reap the rewards and enjoy! [Laughs] Also, I want to say this: As mothers, we make this decision to circumcise men, but we are only hurting ourselves. The truth is so distorted. No wonder so many women don't like sex."

Once again, this is an indiscriminate grip, but do these really sound like the words of a wife, those of a enthusiastic FR and Penis Enlargement practitioner? I understand the ideals behind giving everybody the benefit of the doubt, but read this interview with a scrutinizing eye - not suspicious - just scrutinizing. It also suggests that Kong's wife was not enjoying sex previously to his FR efforts, which is appearently her first contact with a foreskin (Kong predicates much of his arguments on both his and his wife's "expertise" due to their numbers of partners and age).

I would also note that observing Kong's update pictures will show that his foreskin is far from complete, leading one to wonder how his wife or Kon ghimself can make full informed comments on the benefits of a foreskin. That is. unless he (or they) were regurgitating the claims of numerous foreskin sites.

More importantly, does the interview sound more like a woman talking about her sex life, or a man making a case for FR as a huge sexual boost?

Also, and this holds no greater weight than my previous opinions, if you read enough of Kong's posts you will note that the syntax and grammar of the posting is more or less identical to Kong's overal patterns of expression. Abstract indeed, but have a look anyways. I know positivity is a virtue in these internet forums, especially when sexuality is involved, but so is honesty.

Read a Kong's posts on FR and sex, then read the 'interview.' See where your gut instincts lead you.

It is reasonable to predict that Kong will say " Duh! of course husband and wife talk and type exactly the same!", but again, I encourage marreid men to wonder if their wive's rhetoric would be so idnetical.

The other natural objection from Kong is to say that I'm digging up old arguments for the purposes of 'needling' or am otherwise just doing this to slander him. This is not true. I cite the interview because it is my intention to weed out questionable sources and more likely (in my opinion) false sources cited by Kong. Hopefully men will take a good look at this interview, and the person who posted it, and then carefully consider the contents of the interview.

Kong may also proclaim that this is a desperate stab at argument, as he has already disproven my claims on the subject. In that case please take note that it is only my intention to get men to research beyond these forums and to draw their own conclusions about circumcions and FR from a variety of sources. FR indeed could be something worth your while, but please carefully research and consider before placing your faith in all the benefits you have seen listed here.

Then again, Kong may just say I am a rotten bastard and am picking on him for no reason, which is also his fair and square right. Again, for the record, I am bringing up the crdibility of the interview because it is being used as evidence supporting benefits of FR, and I don't personally belive the interview is genuine.

If everybody thinks I'm 100% out of line for questioning this you're welcome to say so. It's no secret that Kong and I disagree and this may affect my judgement here.

Kong - this is not an attack on your wife or the sanctity of your home life. You are in fact the person who decided to bring it into the forum so do not complain about the topic being addressed.
 
Don't worry about it, swank. Like I said, I am trying to turn over a new leaf and be less defensive and confrontational. I am also trying to be more positive, and you have every right to question my posts. In fact, I just questioned AC's post myself, because I feel that a woman couldn't answer "no difference at all" if questioned about the difference between sex with a cut and uncut man. It seems to me to be the pat female answer to that question-- one designed to not make us jealous and angry. It's something I'm sure every woman has learned to do when questioned by us about sex. Just like the size doesn't matter answer.

I'm sorry for poking fun of your sexual claims. I should not have done it that way. I just thought you were being a little boastful, especially here on MOS where men have a little bit of built in insecurities about size. You sounded (to me, granted) to be a little bit of a braggart, talking about how big your dick was and how you gave your women multiple ripping, howling orgasms. I have always believed that guys who talk like that are a little bit deluded. You need only look to the latest issue of Cosmo to see that women aren't being satisfied quite as good as we men think. My wife confirms. But if you don't want to think that, that's your perogative. I could be wrong. Maybe our differing viewpoints comes from the fact that I started at a small-average size and you've always been hung like a horse.

About the interview, here are the facts. I got the idea because I was looking for such an interview online to post in regards to one of your replies to me. Since I could not find one, I thought: Okay, well...I'll just write one! I came up with the questions on a notebook that night. When my wife came to bed, I asked her if I could interview her for the forum. Actually, when I told her I wanted to ask her some questions, she laughed and said "Oh, God! Now what?" You think I'm hard to get along with on MOS, Imagine living with me! :) Anyway, we laid down together and I asked her my questions and then jotted down her answers. Next day, I typed it all up-- she's not very good at typing.

Her answers are her own. Some of them I wouldn't have thought of had I just made it up, like the taste being good or her not noticing the smell. That's stuff that I, along with the rest of you, can't quite believe. But that's what she said. Like I said, Take it or leave it.

She was very excited about the interview, and I am glad she hasn't been on the forum since it all got ugly. She is like me in that she is both very naive about sex and very experienced at the same time.

I don't have a problem anymore with you dissecting my posts. It's your dime. I can't really prove what I say. I guess it all comes down to trust-- those who feel they can trust and believe what I say and those who don't. My personal opinion of you is that you have an huge, overblown ego and that I somehow threaten you or that your are jealous of me. If it wasn't otherwise, you wouldn't spend so much darn time trying to expose me as some kind of scam artist or kook.

Whatever. You just spend all the time you want going through my ramblings with a fine tooth comb, looking for proof of my nefarious schemes. I don't care anymore. It's actually kind of funny!
 
Well alright, I guess I don't know what to say except great.

I have my opinion, you have yours, and we can hash out the points, I couldn't be more pleased to hear this.

I'll be the first to admit that you're correct in saying I have an ego on me, as I believe I stated this myself very realy on in the posting.

On that note though I've finally taken some measurement pics of my unit and sent them to somebody else to resize (I'm not so vain as to admit I can't do much nor do I have patience to learn anything with computers outside of what I know for work).

Those will be up later today I hope. I look forward to advancing the discussion about circumcision and FR in the future.
 
By the way, since we're on the level now, I don't count Cosmo as great info either. Have you ever read the advice they give to women in those things? Women's mag are responsible for more sexual problems than all the circumcisions in the US times ten if you ask me.

Please note this is not an entirely seriou statement.
 
:D swank, you are so funny! You would argue with god. oh, well. That's your opinion, too! shrug. please understand that, although a dissenting opinion is okay, you just never stop being the devil's advocate...ever... ever. :D
 
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