In my session today I was puzzling with a question. Reminds me a little bit of math class, but it could be interesting to explore.

Let's assume that when we begin PE we start with 100% penis size by volume. Let's say we are consistent and have a session every single day that yields exactly the same amount of penis size growth by volume. Let's imagine our growth each day is 0.1% of initial penis volume.

So, after day 1 our penis size is now 100.1% of initial penis volume. Day two yields another .1% getting us to 100.2% initial penis volume. By day ten we are now bigger than we started by 1% (remembering that our values are just assumptions).

What is interesting to me is that in the assumptions of this model, even though our growth is constant day to day, we are getting diminishing returns in our volume growth as compared to our initial penis size. So, even though we are growing at a constant rate, we might imagine that our growth is slowing or stagnating, even though it actually stays exactly the same.

Imagine we work for 1000 days, and reach a penis size by volume of 200% of initial penis size. The next day we do our session and once it is done we have gained .1% of initial penis volume. However, we have only gained .05% of Day 1000 penis size by volume.

In a different imagined model, penis size by volume gains are 0.1% of every days new size. Meaning that if I gain 0.1% of that days penis size my penis is now .1% bigger. However, the next day I call my penis size 100% and gain another 0.1% of that total. This means my volume gains are increasing each day along with the growth of my penis day to day.

The biology of PE is not fully understood at a lot of levels. We have mostly anecdotal reports of men permanently increasing the size of the erect and flaccid penis over time. I would be interested to have a better understanding of what the processes are that are occurring when we increase the size of our penis.

I have built a slightly better understanding for myself of the processes occurring in foreskin restoration. We put tension on the skin (analogous to a growing body, a pregnant belly, a post-mastectomy reconstructive balloon for growing breasts, a person gaining lots of weight) and this triggers the cells to divide. One mother cell becomes two daughter cells, effectively doubling the skin on the cellular level. To grow a new foreskin we must put consistent tension on the skin over a period of time to see that cellular growth visible on the gross level.

In PE, I assume we are also trying to grow the penis tissues on a gross level, by triggering division of the cells in all the tissues of the penis. This, anyway, is my assumption. Alternatives are increasing the capacity for blood to fill the penis, and also creating other new tissues like scarring.

In my foreskin restoration efforts, I make certain assumptions about the process. I assume that a certain amount of cells in the foreskin are available at any one time to divide, and they must have tension on them to a certain degree and a certain time in order to be encouraged to divide into new cells. I assume that not all cells are always available to be triggered, and that new cells have a window in which they cannot yet be triggered for division. This means, that we are not always growing new cells from the whole foreskin, but only certain cells within it at any given time. Over a period however, say, a month, we can trigger all cells as they are available to be triggered. This means consistent applications of the techniques of restoration.

In PE, I assume some of the same variables apply. How many cells are available within the penis tissues at any given time, and are ready to divide into new cells (growth). What types of tension are needed on those cells, and for how long, in order to encourage them to divide?

In foreskin restoration, we often see that men who start with looser circumcisions restore faster than those with very tight circumcisions. I believe this is because they have fewer cells to start with, and therefore growth takes longer, as fewer cells are being triggered by the techniques each session. Similarly, some notice that as they get closer to the end of their restorations, the rate of growth appears to increase at the gross level.

So, in our two models of growth at the beginning of the post, one where gains occur as a certain constant percentage of the initial volume, and the other model wherein gains occur as a certain constant percentage of the new daily volume, which one is closest to reality? Are all cells in the penis tissues available at all times to divide? Are some cells always available to divide (growth)? Are all cells only sometimes available to divide? How do we maximize the targeting of cells for division? Are certain applications of tension more effective at triggering the most amount of cells in every session? Are long periods of tension needed to maximize cell division? Are shorter sessions effective at targeting all possible cells in a given time frame/window? Do different types of penile tissue respond differently to different tensions?

If we want to maximize the growth of our penis, we want to be triggering as many cells as we can, as often as they are available to divide. Meaning, the closer we can get to the second model of growth the faster we will grow. Or in other words, the bigger we will become in a smaller amount of time.

Also, as interesting as these questions are to me, I have seen some growth from my routine already. Meaning that, as much as we try to optimize our sessions and routines, if we see growth over time we can know it is working. In this case persistence is key. Many thousands of men have grown their penis (or foreskin) without knowing anything at all about cells or cell division.

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this!
 
yep I just can imagine a cell breaking into 2 and expanding the tissues giving us penile growth.But i wouldnt say im able to understand how it works fully thanks for your explanation tough.(il read it again later)
 
Hey Bolden,
Well composed and thought-provoking post. I'm, by no means, a molecular biologist but I can understand your arguments at a practical level. Using my own experience as one example, I've noticed by 'changing-up' my routine I'm able to reach a higher goal. This led me to believe that my 'cells' want to remain 'static' and resist change/growth...almost like my penis was comfortable in its previous state and would prefer to stay that way. Once I impart different/more intense forces against it, that's where I can see change. I know consistency has been my best weapon against inertia, but I know for a fact that I do not grow in anything close to a linear fashion...more 'fits and starts', if you will.
This is very intriguing :)
 
Just like we become complacent and bored with things in life so does our penis. In life growth is all about experiencing new and more challenging changes and the same applies to PE. A routine, exercise, tool can reach a plateau through becoming accustomed to it. I have always written routines to give much flexibility in how they are done and how to change them up and add intensity. Growth will continue if intensity is always increased, changing up exercises when they become mundane, finding better ways to use the tools you have, create super-sets of complimentary exercise, and many other changes. Motivation comes into play also as if we continue to do the same things over and over the fun factor is reduced and we can go from a burning zeal to a dim spark and if this spark is not fed fuel it will quickly burn out. Keep things fun and motivated by remaining involved with the Brotherhood. Those who are here daily reap the rewards of this in many ways I am sure the Brothers will explain. We can get very deep into the science of it all or we can keep it simple and fun, I prefer the latter.
 
Thanks for the replies!

The science definitely is not necessary as so many men have proven with the evidence of a larger penis. However, trying to understand the science of foreskin restoration has led to more efficient and optimum methods, leading to greater success.

In FR as well as PE, it is helpful to remind oneself that both an adult foreskin and adult penis take somewhere in the range of 16-20 years to fully grow and mature to the adult stage. This puts things in perspective in terms of how fast we actually grow new tissues with our artificial methods. The techniques we employ, are they similar to the environmental or inherent factors that stimulate growth of the body as a child, or are they different and just happen to have a similar effect? What are the forces acting on the young body that signals it to grow? Gravity acts on the penis and testicles, but not much. Internal pressure of the body could encourage growth. And finally the nature of a body to inherently grow to its genetically predisposed size (which I don't understand the mechanisms of).

In youth, we go through what are described as "growth spurts". I have some stretch marks on the sides of my torso where I assume I grew faster than my skin could keep up with. Maybe this lines up with what Big Schwanz is noticing in his own progress that it happens in fits and starts. Maybe the body goes through cycles of growth, and not steady growth at all times.

My reason to investigate in this area is to try to discover what I call in foreskin restoration "optimum tension". This is the amount of tension which will trigger the most amount of cells in a short amount of time. This method can then be applied daily to trigger all newly available cells. I would like to discover in PE what the most optimum tension is, that can be incorporated most easily into my life, for me. Applicability is crucial to me because if I fall off for too long then no growth at all will occur.

As I understand it, in pumping we are creating a negative space with the vacuum. This forces the penis to enlarge to fill the space. What this means internally is that each cell of the penis is being pulled slightly away from the cell next to it. If this application of tension is sustained for the required time interval, these cells will divide, and create more tissue of the same type. So, in order to get the most out of each session, it would be helpful to know: How much negative pressure is needed to pull one cell away from another and encourage division? How long does this negative pressure need to be sustained to trigger the process of division?

Seeing gains from having changed up our routine might have something to do with accessing more of the tissues of the penis. If we only to jelqing on the last half of the penis we may develop a baseball bat. Similarly if we jelq only at the very base, we risk developing a waffle cone. So, it would also be helpful to know: what are the methods that hit the most possible tissue in the penis in the most optimum/effective way (as often as is needed)?

What do you think?
 
Again, I only have personal experience to base my 'theories' and a logical mind so as far as force/duration calculations, I'd have to 'kick that one upstairs' to someone more qualified than I. What seems to make sense is the fact that I need to keep upping the intensity in order to see any growth. I use The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] sticker as a monument and when I 1st began this PE journey, my personal best was a shade over the 7" mark (come to find-out, the sticker is optimistic by about .375" so I was really 6.625"+), now I'm consistently hitting 8.75"+ which lands me in the 8.375". This is a 1.75" increase over 2.5 years of very intense, daily exercise...always striving for a bit more each session.
Bottom line is consistency and increasing the forces will provide gains, but every one has a different DNA and will respond in their own way.
 
A penis is a penis, stretch the thing it gets longer, jelq and pump it and it will become thicker. I am a simpleton :)
 
doublelongdaddy;730116 said:
A penis is a penis, stretch the thing it gets longer, jelq and pump it and it will become thicker. I am a simpleton :)

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LONGERDICK7+;730168 said:
yep we share the same philosophy if we use devices the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] can help whit lenght,the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] get us girthy..I am simpleton too :)

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After my pump I had a little bit of pain somewhere near the head. It seems localized to a small area. It feels internal and not on the skin.
The sensation made me a bit nervous so I didn't do my final pump.

I recently came across the pumping forums at new art. There were some pumpers there who grown their penises to incredible sizes. However, they looked very strange to me. They didn't look like normal healthy penises. One was almost scaly. The other looked stiff, as if it were made out of hard wax instead of penile tissue. It got me to wondering if they were doing something to scar or stiffen or damage their penis and whether that is what I'm doing too.

Any insight is appreciated, thanks!
 
Bolden;747093 said:
After my pump I had a little bit of pain somewhere near the head. It seems localized to a small area. It feels internal and not on the skin.
The sensation made me a bit nervous so I didn't do my final pump.

I recently came across the pumping forums at new art. There were some pumpers there who grown their penises to incredible sizes. However, they looked very strange to me. They didn't look like normal healthy penises. One was almost scaly. The other looked stiff, as if it were made out of hard wax instead of penile tissue. It got me to wondering if they were doing something to scar or stiffen or damage their penis and whether that is what I'm doing too.

Any insight is appreciated, thanks!

Extreme pumping causes disfigurement and for some reason some men want this. Strange really, it is like the earring fad where people stretching their ears to ridiculous gages. It is smart too stop when you feel injury coming on. Look over everything, make sure everything is ok and then restart.
 
I ride that fine-line between high intensity and injury...I can recognize the signs when I'm pushing too hard. One key for me is to properly warm-up.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;747476 said:
I ride that fine-line between high intensity and injury...I can recognize the signs when I'm pushing too hard. One key for me is to properly warm-up.

The grey area can between injury and gain can be narrow but having a good understanding of your body and being extra cautious will allow you push this great area to the point of the fastest gains with minimal to no injury. In every part of PE this should be practiced. If I did not constantly press myself and up the ante I would not be where I am today. Find that great area, master your body and ride the fast lane to gains!
 
Big Schwanz Acht;747618 said:
The only thing I can add is to always be striving for more, keep moving forward and make sure you have a goal

Yup, when you fall down get right back up and keeping on going. Failure is not an option in this game, it is all in or nothing. PE teaches us how to accomplish so much in life. Our super skills we learn here overflow into all of our activity. We become better men just by being a member here. I have watched boys grow into men and I am always so appreciative of how well they do. I love the Brotherhood!
 
Thanks DLD and BSA.

I guess was that I was worried because I thought that maybe the processes that were leading to growth were actually damaging the penis internally. The guys who look deformed on NewArt might show it because they've taken it to such an extreme degree.

Basically in my list of priorities the highest is to have a healthy, functioning dick for as long as I possibly can. Next comes the gains.
 
Bolden;747757 said:
Thanks DLD and BSA.

I guess was that I was worried because I thought that maybe the processes that were leading to growth were actually damaging the penis internally. The guys who look deformed on NewArt might show it because they've taken it to such an extreme degree.

Basically in my list of priorities the highest is to have a healthy, functioning dick for as long as I possibly can. Next comes the gains.

For me it is all about symmetry. I have a very nice looking penis and it is large and thick to the point of a good normal penis. I would never want size at the expense of looking deformed. PE here is all about balance and symmetry.
 
Bolden;747757 said:
Thanks DLD and BSA.

I guess was that I was worried because I thought that maybe the processes that were leading to growth were actually damaging the penis internally. The guys who look deformed on NewArt might show it because they've taken it to such an extreme degree.

Basically in my list of priorities the highest is to have a healthy, functioning dick for as long as I possibly can. Next comes the gains.

I'm curious to know if you have been training all this while you've been absent from the forum. Girth work is very addictive IMO.
 
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