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Madonna-Whore Complex
SPH is Small Penis Humiliation.
Pictures? It's really terrible aint it? When you have it in your face like that? At least when she only tells you then you can "imagine" a better solution in your head to "what happened" - but when the evidence is in your face like that, it's really something else. It's like taking on a brick wall with full force, at least it was for me, for a short while.
Not saying that the lingering effects arent really fucked up or anything.
Like I said again, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS as a thing to get into. It CAN become a real difficulty in your life - I try for it not to be, but somethings you just cant quite control, since pretty much everything that happens happens in your mind and no one can see what's "actually going on inside" and in all other aspects I lead a modest, comfortable life; so no one really suspects all that much. And the vast majority of the time I'm "fine" - while working, while socializing, etc I'm pretty normal, rational and even happy. But it comes in flashes occasionally (I imagine something or a portion of the vid pops up in my mind, triggered by something/anything) and in occasional weekends that kind of go missing to SPH. Like I said, can get a bit unhealthy. Also something that you cant quite forget (probably, not sure, will tell you in a few decades).
Pictures? It's really terrible aint it? When you have it in your face like that? At least when she only tells you then you can "imagine" a better solution in your head to "what happened" - but when the evidence is in your face like that, it's really something else. It's like taking on a brick wall with full force, at least it was for me, for a short while.
Not saying that the lingering effects arent really fucked up or anything.
Like I said again, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS as a thing to get into. It CAN become a real difficulty in your life - I try for it not to be, but somethings you just cant quite control, since pretty much everything that happens happens in your mind and no one can see what's "actually going on inside" and in all other aspects I lead a modest, comfortable life; so no one really suspects all that much. And the vast majority of the time I'm "fine" - while working, while socializing, etc I'm pretty normal, rational and even happy. But it comes in flashes occasionally (I imagine something or a portion of the vid pops up in my mind, triggered by something/anything) and in occasional weekends that kind of go missing to SPH. Like I said, can get a bit unhealthy. Also something that you cant quite forget (probably, not sure, will tell you in a few decades).
penguinsfan said:It's not a matter of STDs or health. Some people sleep with one person and get an STD, while some sleep with hundreds and never do. That can be checked and confirmed by a physician rather easily.
It is about the likelihood of a person cheating or giving up on the relationship in difficult times. As I mentioned earlier, a large number of sex partners means a person either thinks very little about engaging in casual one-nighters or has been through an exceptional amount of relationships. Either way, it is some concern for the well-being of your relationship. And while this might sound sexist, it is a much bigger red flag when a female is concerned. That is because men are biologically wired for casual sex, while women are more wired towards the love and relationship aspects. I mean, there is a reason where there are numerous books written for men about how to attract and seduce women, while there is basically not a real market for teaching women how to pick up men. So, if you think about the expression "been around the block" there may be a little cause for concern. And if a woman has been around the neighbor and a few adjoining municipalities that is a major red flag.
Emphasis partially mine: I want to repost this because I think it's essentially correct. Women who sleep around arent known as "ho's" because it's a good thing; and the fact that women who sleep around have been disliked in most human societies lets you know that while there were always women who liked sleeping around, society was never too appreciative of these women. You must wonder why this pattern keeps on emerging? I would speculate that it has something to do with our evolutionary past, and goes back to the resources question.
However, I do think one important differnce between our evolutionary past and the (still evolutionary) present, is that women in the first world have been afforded many more political, social and (importantly) economic rights.
While these have been a boon for countries that practice relative moderation in their moral and civic affairs (who hears of Swedish people obessing over weight as much as Americans? And who's fatter? Isnt that odd?) the powers American style "bigger is better" mentality AND the VERY American notion of "going it alone" "WIN at all costs" "the pursuit of Happiness" etc combined with the literally astounding power the "media" (think about that word for a minute, are we like bacteria growing in it?) forcing people into beleiving that if only they bought something, made this, were skinnier, had firmer skin, a "bigger" boyfriend, etc has caused, in a sense, a Hyper-Sexualization in a fair number of women, people become critical of every aspect of their lives, constantly asking "Am I happy?" "Am I happy?" without realizing the reason they have to keep on taking anti-depressants is because they keep on asking that stupid question (if you're unhappy, you mind will tell you, trust your brain and keep it occupied with something, dumbass, IMHO).
I think more women now have a "base-line" of sexual expectations and fullfillment expectations that are MUCH higher than those a even a couple of generations ago. Women may always have prefered large penises, but now I think they have the political and social freedom to state their preference openly. Many may feel that they "deserve" to orgasm; and with their economic independence, they're isnt much of an insentive to settle down with a husband unless he's really raking in the money.
Now - you may say "But Needkitkats I dont know these women, the women I know are kind, gentle and not that sexual".
Two things - these are a narrow band of women, but their numbers are growing, it's the "MILF" wife, the hot lady in her 30s who still runs and looks great but is single so she can fuck who she wants, the lady that takes Yoga. These women arent ALWAYS cheaters, but many of them are, or remain single and free, and it's usually not "emotional reasons" that they cheat. So, in a sense, it's a small subset of the population that was never there before, and exists only because of the social and economic environment.
Second thing - not all women are always like this, and not all women will want this; it's that simple. Not all women are retarded like this, there are good ones out there, but it's a rare find, and the fact that you cant really be sure...that's something I guess.
ON the other hand, maybe we should accept cheating/promiscuos as a social reality and kind of codify acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Some countries have moved in that direction in law, and in practice brothels have been around forever - as have prostitutes (although looked down upon).
So, it's hard to say exactly, there's a case to be made on each side, but I still think that what I'm seeing (in terms of this "new" women) is absolutely real and is hard to deny.
It should be noted that the subset includes a whole lot of people, essentially any girl/woman that could get a job to support herself (or has a job to support herself) that believe that they want a larger cock to fuck. Or a girl whose willing to cheat on a steady boyfriend (resources) and still get the fuck (genetics).
Also; I think the era of Mutally Destructive Pressure has arrived. We expect too much from imperfect bodies and minds. We need to settle for a lot less than what we "expect". Just a thought.
BTW - in a sense I think that Penis Enlargement is like Breast Enhancement or teeth whitening, you're just altering the look, but not the underlying genetic structure; it'll be an interesting area to study once it becomes big.
Also; I think the era of Mutally Destructive Pressure has arrived. We expect too much from imperfect bodies and minds. We need to settle for a lot less than what we "expect". Just a thought.
BTW - in a sense I think that Penis Enlargement is like Breast Enhancement or teeth whitening, you're just altering the look, but not the underlying genetic structure; it'll be an interesting area to study once it becomes big.
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What is it that is so tormenting about your (i'm refering to everyone) girl fucking another guy? Hey, I will not cut my balls off because i'm in a relationship with a girl i love, and i dont expect her to put her chains on because she's with me! I'm not talking about manipulation and treason here; those are far to be honorable behaviors. I'm talking about respect (keeping a lion in a cage is not respectfull),
about acceptance towards the fact that you just cant threat your lover like a prisonner... assuming that she's/he's the lion kind.
This is skin, this is sex, instincts... this is WILD. Sex is the wildest human action, maybe even the only that is truly wild, and that's what, to me, makes the "beauty" of sex. If your getting a "faithfull" girl, good for you; if your getting a wild girl, good for you: in both cases, you are a winner. Let your vanity and prejudices on the side... cause these are the only voices that make you/us act like this. "What? You are upset that your girl has sleep with another one, ready to dump her and suffer from her "cheating" (read: a purely natural and instinctive thing) because of your vanity? And you would accept the fact that she suddently "stop" loving you and move on! Are you saying that you care more about her skin than her love?!"
Sorry for the bad english and the lack of details/explanations. That's all i can do with english.
about acceptance towards the fact that you just cant threat your lover like a prisonner... assuming that she's/he's the lion kind.
This is skin, this is sex, instincts... this is WILD. Sex is the wildest human action, maybe even the only that is truly wild, and that's what, to me, makes the "beauty" of sex. If your getting a "faithfull" girl, good for you; if your getting a wild girl, good for you: in both cases, you are a winner. Let your vanity and prejudices on the side... cause these are the only voices that make you/us act like this. "What? You are upset that your girl has sleep with another one, ready to dump her and suffer from her "cheating" (read: a purely natural and instinctive thing) because of your vanity? And you would accept the fact that she suddently "stop" loving you and move on! Are you saying that you care more about her skin than her love?!"
Sorry for the bad english and the lack of details/explanations. That's all i can do with english.
It is true that instinct drives a great deal of human relationships and interactive behaviors with the opposite sex. In fact it is this very thing that I believe makes guys not want their girl fucking around. The "Alpha Male" mentality or what have you.Breidablik said:What is it that is so tormenting about your (i'm refering to everyone) girl fucking another guy? Hey, I will not cut my balls off because i'm in a relationship with a girl i love, and i dont expect her to put her chains on because she's with me! I'm not talking about manipulation and treason here; those are far to be honorable behaviors. I'm talking about respect (keeping a lion in a cage is not respectfull),
about acceptance towards the fact that you just cant threat your lover like a prisonner... assuming that she's/he's the lion kind.
This is skin, this is sex, instincts... this is WILD. Sex is the wildest human action, maybe even the only that is truly wild, and that's what, to me, makes the "beauty" of sex. If your getting a "faithfull" girl, good for you; if your getting a wild girl, good for you: in both cases, you are a winner. Let your vanity and prejudices on the side... cause these are the only voices that make you/us act like this. "What? You are upset that your girl has sleep with another one, ready to dump her and suffer from her "cheating" (read: a purely natural and instinctive thing) because of your vanity? And you would accept the fact that she suddently "stop" loving you and move on! Are you saying that you care more about her skin than her love?!"
Sorry for the bad english and the lack of details/explanations. That's all i can do with english.
Besides all that though, here are some other reasons why a guy wouldn't want his girl sleeping around on him. Anybody can add to this list if they want, and I believe these are pretty reasonable, logical things to believe in.
1. Diseases - Perhaps one of the most obvious. Of course you have to accept your girl has probably been with guys before you, but even then you can go get tested together or something to that affect. If she is sleeping around she probably doesn't want to raise extra suspicion by risking a trip to the local clinic for a little scrape test. So in short I would rather not have to guess where these spots on my dick, or my tongue are coming from.
2. Mental Health - It has not been proven whether or not human beings are "instinctively" monogamous. Once you really settle down with someone, it is supposed to be because you have found someone you are supposed to be happy with, if you are not happy with this person then break up with them, and then go sleep around. At least it would show some courtesy instead of making them into a cuckold.
3. Mental Healthx2 - If you are in a relationship with a girl, and you two are having sex, as most women would expect that if you have sexual urges that is what they are there for. If you have a girl who is cheating on you, now you have to wonder what she is looking for elsewhere that you aren't giving her. Whether it be a bigger penis, better look, better oral skills what have you. You now are left with whatever feeling of inadequacy you believe (or are told) caused her to cheat on you.
4. Respect amongst peers - Whatever the reasons she is cheating on you for, once word gets out (and it will, maybe even before you hear about it because that is the nature of the beast) others who know you are going to question why. Now given the society we are in the man is blamed if he is cheating outright, but if a girl is cheating it must be because of something the man is not giving her. Thus his social standing amongst his peers, and as a potential mate for other females who know about it, is significantly lowered.
If I missed any, anyone can feel free to add to it.
People like this make me want to crawl into a shell and stay alone. The only way I've found to deal with it is just to drink a lot and listen to the sex pistols all the time and watch skateboard videos, then I'm too numb to care about anything. I'll probably keep it this way till I'm 9x7, at which point I'll become disgusted by the girls obsessing over my dick and not me. The process will start over, inevitably leading to a sex change operation.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
This is completely different from what I have experienced. When a girl cheats on a decent guy, everyone just thinks the girl is a total slut. The only way I have ever seen the guy lose respect is if he continues dating the girl who is cheating on him, which shows a lack of self-respect from him. I had a girl cheat on me about a year ago, and I just dumped her and got a new girlfriend a few hours later who was even hotter. Everyone just thought I was awesome for pulling that off so fast.bIgjOe said:4. Respect amongst peers - Whatever the reasons she is cheating on you for, once word gets out (and it will, maybe even before you hear about it because that is the nature of the beast) others who know you are going to question why. Now given the society we are in the man is blamed if he is cheating outright, but if a girl is cheating it must be because of something the man is not giving her. Thus his social standing amongst his peers, and as a potential mate for other females who know about it, is significantly lowered.
spinner2 said:People like this make me want to crawl into a shell and stay alone. The only way I've found to deal with it is just to drink a lot and listen to the sex pistols all the time and watch skateboard videos, then I'm too numb to care about anything. I'll probably keep it this way till I'm 9x7, at which point I'll become disgusted by the girls obsessing over my dick and not me. The process will start over, inevitably leading to a sex change operation.
Fuck it.
Yeah! Non-conformists Rule!
Wow congratulations on that. Maybe its just the areas we live in, but are you sure it wasn't just because you made such a quick turn around on her? Or have you seen this happen alot?spinner2 said:This is completely different from what I have experienced. When a girl cheats on a decent guy, everyone just thinks the girl is a total slut. The only way I have ever seen the guy lose respect is if he continues dating the girl who is cheating on him, which shows a lack of self-respect from him. I had a girl cheat on me about a year ago, and I just dumped her and got a new girlfriend a few hours later who was even hotter. Everyone just thought I was awesome for pulling that off so fast.
I've only seen one guy who has lost respect, and it's because his girlfriend is a complete slut and he refuses to acknowledge the obvious fact. The funny thing is I'm pretty sure he's got a bigger dick than anyone else I know.bIgjOe said:Wow congratulations on that. Maybe its just the areas we live in, but are you sure it wasn't just because you made such a quick turn around on her? Or have you seen this happen alot?
bIgjOe said:It is true that instinct drives a great deal of human relationships and interactive behaviors with the opposite sex. In fact it is this very thing that I believe makes guys not want their girl fucking around. The "Alpha Male" mentality or what have you.
Besides all that though, here are some other reasons why a guy wouldn't want his girl sleeping around on him. Anybody can add to this list if they want, and I believe these are pretty reasonable, logical things to believe in.
1. Diseases - Perhaps one of the most obvious. Of course you have to accept your girl has probably been with guys before you, but even then you can go get tested together or something to that affect. If she is sleeping around she probably doesn't want to raise extra suspicion by risking a trip to the local clinic for a little scrape test. So in short I would rather not have to guess where these spots on my dick, or my tongue are coming from.
2. Mental Health - It has not been proven whether or not human beings are "instinctively" monogamous. Once you really settle down with someone, it is supposed to be because you have found someone you are supposed to be happy with, if you are not happy with this person then break up with them, and then go sleep around. At least it would show some courtesy instead of making them into a cuckold.
3. Mental Healthx2 - If you are in a relationship with a girl, and you two are having sex, as most women would expect that if you have sexual urges that is what they are there for. If you have a girl who is cheating on you, now you have to wonder what she is looking for elsewhere that you aren't giving her. Whether it be a bigger penis, better look, better oral skills what have you. You now are left with whatever feeling of inadequacy you believe (or are told) caused her to cheat on you.
4. Respect amongst peers - Whatever the reasons she is cheating on you for, once word gets out (and it will, maybe even before you hear about it because that is the nature of the beast) others who know you are going to question why. Now given the society we are in the man is blamed if he is cheating outright, but if a girl is cheating it must be because of something the man is not giving her. Thus his social standing amongst his peers, and as a potential mate for other females who know about it, is significantly lowered.
If I missed any, anyone can feel free to add to it.
I'm not talking about "cheating", for whatever reasons you've state above. I'm talking about "freedom". Keep the word cheating out of your mind, that's not what i'm talking about.
Here's an example: I like to fuck a girls throat until she pukes everywhere, and my girl likes to sodomize guys with some dildo. But if i dont want that thing in my ass, and if she doesnt want me to fuck her throat like a madman, isnt it just "normal" to let the other realise his/her fantasy on his/her side? Share them and be really aroused about it?
Ummm....I don't necessarily think fantasies are bad, but when you attempt to make fantasy a reality there is an inherent danger. If you think that "freedom" is being able to do whatever your heart desires then by all means live that way, but as soon as you put your self in a situation where you are committed to someone else then that "freedom" you speak of no longer exists. I say it doesn't exist, but in actuality that "freedom" changes. You can't just do whatever your heart desires because you now have to think about another person's feelings. This goes far beyond sex, it becomes an issue when you want to go out for a beer with the guys, if and when you can go to a football game, or even if you can workout or Penis Enlargement when you feel the urge to.
I understand the whole concept of be free and feel free to enjoy yourself and explore fantasy land, but you never know what could happen to a relationship once that box has been opened. If you love someone let them go, and if you want to fulfill fantasies with other people then go right ahead, but you can't say you love someone and confine them to a role of being on the sideline while you are out fulfilling your fantasy life. Love is about inclusion and experiencing the world along side someone else, and if this excludes any aspect of yourself then you haven't given fully to them what they have given to you. This is not right, nor is it fair to this person who you claim to love and who loves you. If you are married it is stated in the vows, "forsaking all others" as well as "giving all of oneself". These two statements are nonexclusive as far as life long committment goes.
Personally speaking I want to experience as much as I can with my wife and only her. If there's something that she wants to do that I can't share in then it won't be done, and vise versa. Love is about respect, trust, and loyalty. If you go looking for other things because of a whim can you say that you respect the woman you "love" or that you are loyal to her, and can she trust you. I can't answer these questions for anyone else, but I know that within myself I will do everything in my power for the woman I love and that includes controlling my urges and my actions.
I understand the whole concept of be free and feel free to enjoy yourself and explore fantasy land, but you never know what could happen to a relationship once that box has been opened. If you love someone let them go, and if you want to fulfill fantasies with other people then go right ahead, but you can't say you love someone and confine them to a role of being on the sideline while you are out fulfilling your fantasy life. Love is about inclusion and experiencing the world along side someone else, and if this excludes any aspect of yourself then you haven't given fully to them what they have given to you. This is not right, nor is it fair to this person who you claim to love and who loves you. If you are married it is stated in the vows, "forsaking all others" as well as "giving all of oneself". These two statements are nonexclusive as far as life long committment goes.
Personally speaking I want to experience as much as I can with my wife and only her. If there's something that she wants to do that I can't share in then it won't be done, and vise versa. Love is about respect, trust, and loyalty. If you go looking for other things because of a whim can you say that you respect the woman you "love" or that you are loyal to her, and can she trust you. I can't answer these questions for anyone else, but I know that within myself I will do everything in my power for the woman I love and that includes controlling my urges and my actions.
Oh ok I guess I misunderstood you, but I suppose the reasons I listed (a few of them) would also be reasons why alot of couples wouldn't want to swing. Yeah its normal to have fantasies, but statistically it probably isn't "normal" to act on them.Breidablik said:I'm not talking about "cheating", for whatever reasons you've state above. I'm talking about "freedom". Keep the word cheating out of your mind, that's not what i'm talking about.
Here's an example: I like to fuck a girls throat until she pukes everywhere, and my girl likes to sodomize guys with some dildo. But if i dont want that thing in my ass, and if she doesnt want me to fuck her throat like a madman, isnt it just "normal" to let the other realise his/her fantasy on his/her side? Share them and be really aroused about it?
Do the reasons you mean concern only things outside of normal heterosexual intercourse?
I'm not saying I disagree with swinging, although I don't think its really my thing, but I would imagine there are more couples that don't than those that do. Which I suppose would make it "normal" not to.
Although maybe if you have sexual urges your partner can't fulfill, perhaps you two aren't sexually compatible? Another argument against waiting until marriage I suppose.
millionman said:Ummm....I don't necessarily think fantasies are bad, but when you attempt to make fantasy a reality there is an inherent danger. If you think that "freedom" is being able to do whatever your heart desires then by all means live that way, but as soon as you put your self in a situation where you are committed to someone else then that "freedom" you speak of no longer exists. I say it doesn't exist, but in actuality that "freedom" changes. You can't just do whatever your heart desires because you now have to think about another person's feelings. This goes far beyond sex, it becomes an issue when you want to go out for a beer with the guys, if and when you can go to a football game, or even if you can workout or Penis Enlargement when you feel the urge to.
I understand the whole concept of be free and feel free to enjoy yourself and explore fantasy land, but you never know what could happen to a relationship once that box has been opened. If you love someone let them go, and if you want to fulfill fantasies with other people then go right ahead, but you can't say you love someone and confine them to a role of being on the sideline while you are out fulfilling your fantasy life. Love is about inclusion and experiencing the world along side someone else, and if this excludes any aspect of yourself then you haven't given fully to them what they have given to you. This is not right, nor is it fair to this person who you claim to love and who loves you. If you are married it is stated in the vows, "forsaking all others" as well as "giving all of oneself". These two statements are nonexclusive as far as life long committment goes.
Personally speaking I want to experience as much as I can with my wife and only her. If there's something that she wants to do that I can't share in then it won't be done, and vise versa. Love is about respect, trust, and loyalty. If you go looking for other things because of a whim can you say that you respect the woman you "love" or that you are loyal to her, and can she trust you. I can't answer these questions for anyone else, but I know that within myself I will do everything in my power for the woman I love and that includes controlling my urges and my actions.
You still in the cheating, treason thing. Of course i wouldnt do such a thing to my lover. It is not honorable to act this way. No love, no respect, no care in this attitude.
Oh... and the "fantasy" thing was just an example; i tried to speak with images, since my english is so bad. I just cant explain it. You should be able to see all the "connected" things with such an image.
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