As we speak I fall just above what google says in both hard and soft. I am about 4-4.125 soft(assuming no turtling due to temperature) and about 5.67 without taking into consideration the upwards curve otherwise 5.75-5.85 nbpel.

But yes definitely flaccid length is a concern to me, I would like to become more of a shower than a grower. I think PE has helped alot with that but yeah I would like to get as close to my erect size flaccid as I possibly can.
 
rocky1243;708248 said:
As we speak I fall just above what google says in both hard and soft. I am about 4-4.125 soft(assuming no turtling due to temperature) and about 5.67 without taking into consideration the upwards curve otherwise 5.75-5.85 nbpel.

But yes definitely flaccid length is a concern to me, I would like to become more of a shower than a grower. I think PE has helped alot with that but yeah I would like to get as close to my erect size flaccid as I possibly can.

Maybe leave some difference for the growth of surprise ;)
 
The average looks right.
I'd be either grower or shower. I don't mind any but I'm aiming for shower since I've been a grower and just want to see what it would be like having a big flaccid
 
My [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] has morphed me into a shower, (previously I was a dramatic grower...maybe 2.50" flaccid to 6.50" erect) now I'm about 5.50"-6.00" flaccid (again depending on temperature/angst/etc.) and 7.875" erect. I no longer have any locker room anxiety or 'stage fright' at the urinal. Ultimately I'd like to hang consistently around 6" and 9" erect
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708295 said:
My [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] has morphed me into a shower, (previously I was a dramatic grower...maybe 2.50" flaccid to 6.50" erect) now I'm about 5.50"-6.00" flaccid (again depending on temperature/angst/etc.) and 7.875" erect. I no longer have any locker room anxiety or 'stage fright' at the urinal. Ultimately I'd like to hang consistently around 6" and 9" erect

Why would you have locker room anxiety if you knew you were big
 
I'd rather be a shower. I don't get 'im out flaccid because I'm really small (well actually I'm bigger flaccid now thanks to PE, although still not ready to show flaccid).
 
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I would rather be a shower. The larger the flaccid the better and more potential for erect gains as the flaccid grows bigger in my opinion.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708295 said:
My [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] has morphed me into a shower, (previously I was a dramatic grower...maybe 2.50" flaccid to 6.50" erect) now I'm about 5.50"-6.00" flaccid (again depending on temperature/angst/etc.) and 7.875" erect. I no longer have any locker room anxiety or 'stage fright' at the urinal. Ultimately I'd like to hang consistently around 6" and 9" erect
Congrats big schwanz on the gains. What was your pe routine and how long did it take to obtain your gains?
 
GirthGains;708355 said:
Congrats big schwanz on the gains. What was your pe routine and how long did it take to obtain your gains?

Thanks...my 1st attempt at PE started almost exactly 2 years ago with a Quick [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] Pro that I absolutely hated and ended-up giving away to a member here. I discovered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] shortly thereafter and was immediately hooked, (fortunately I didn't discover the VacuVin mod until a couple months of use or I probably would have done some damage, lol). Basic routine right now is warm-up w/light stretches in all directions under hot shower water, then bundles (up/down/side/side) for a minute each, then my modified fulcrum downward stretch for at least 2 minutes, then 10 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Goliath[/words] at 90% EQ and maybe 80% pressure, then [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s or just plain-Jane jelq's to get rid of any FR, then 10 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] at 90%/90% where I'll also do side-to-side, up/down and straight-out expressive stretches, then some more jelq's/SSJ's, then 15+ minutes at 100%/100% kegeling and RKing while compressing the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]gaiter[/words] into my pelvis as hard as possible and as many reps as I can do which also matches my Kegel rhythm, (press [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] hard while Kegeling, let go and RK...about 100 times). If I'm in the mood and there's still hot water left, I'll edge for 5-10 minutes. TaDa!
Started at just over 6.50 BPEL and 5.50 EG, I'm now almost 8"X7" depending on EQ and if the tape-measure is anywhere in sight, lol
 
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kyomoto;708329 said:
Why would you have locker room anxiety if you knew you were big

I said 'I no longer have anxiety' and 'knowing you're big' takes a long time with multiple reinforcements...there're decades of mental images needing to be re-booted, being as young as you are you're fortunate not to have developed any 'brain-calluses'
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708377 said:
I said 'I no longer have anxiety' and 'knowing you're big' takes a long time with multiple reinforcements...there're decades of mental images needing to be re-booted, being as young as you are you're fortunate not to have developed any 'brain-calluses'

I'm aware. I'm asking you why you had that mentality before. Was it the common embarassment in young kids?
 
kyomoto;708383 said:
I'm aware. I'm asking you why you had that mentality before. Was it the common embarassment in young kids?

From the time I started Little League and CYO Basketball at the age of 8, I knew I was a pretty good athlete. My first realization that I was a 'late bloomer' was the 1st shower after 7th grade football practice and my 3 best buds all had at least some 'hair' and I didn't. This was embarrassing and I found ways to not have to be naked. Fast-forward to freshmen year of basketball...I played on a select team w/a bunch of inner-city kids, (mostly black) and they were all 'showers' and I was an extreme 'grower' (especially after a two-hour practice of running lines and doing drills...I looked like a button).
The only time growing-up that I had a positive reaction was with my 1st GF and she remarked how big I was, but we were teenagers and I was either her 2nd or third. All my GF's after her were very complimentary and I became highly sensitive to their bodies and what they liked, so sex was fully satisfying.
Needless to say, there was an imprint that followed my psyche for many decades until I stumbled-upon this site...I knew deep-down that I wanted more than just a satisfying sex-life and getting bigger was/is the answer, (for me)
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708401 said:
From the time I started Little League and CYO Basketball at the age of 8, I knew I was a pretty good athlete. My first realization that I was a 'late bloomer' was the 1st shower after 7th grade football practice and my 3 best buds all had at least some 'hair' and I didn't. This was embarrassing and I found ways to not have to be naked. Fast-forward to freshmen year of basketball...I played on a select team w/a bunch of inner-city kids, (mostly black) and they were all 'showers' and I was an extreme 'grower' (especially after a two-hour practice of running lines and doing drills...I looked like a button).
The only time growing-up that I had a positive reaction was with my 1st GF and she remarked how big I was, but we were teenagers and I was either her 2nd or third. All my GF's after her were very complimentary and I became highly sensitive to their bodies and what they liked, so sex was fully satisfying.
Needless to say, there was an imprint that followed my psyche for many decades until I stumbled-upon this site...I knew deep-down that I wanted more than just a satisfying sex-life and getting bigger was/is the answer, (for me)

Reminds me when I was about... 20-21 don't recall. I met this girl at bar and told her jokingly that I was 45, she believed it somehow was turned on by it. Took her to my friend's friend apt's bathroom. And when I took my pants off I was flaccid and she said "you are small". So I stuck it in her butt... lol Scarred me for life.
 
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Big Schwanz Acht;708401 said:
From the time I started Little League and CYO Basketball at the age of 8, I knew I was a pretty good athlete. My first realization that I was a 'late bloomer' was the 1st shower after 7th grade football practice and my 3 best buds all had at least some 'hair' and I didn't. This was embarrassing and I found ways to not have to be naked. Fast-forward to freshmen year of basketball...I played on a select team w/a bunch of inner-city kids, (mostly black) and they were all 'showers' and I was an extreme 'grower' (especially after a two-hour practice of running lines and doing drills...I looked like a button).
The only time growing-up that I had a positive reaction was with my 1st GF and she remarked how big I was, but we were teenagers and I was either her 2nd or third. All my GF's after her were very complimentary and I became highly sensitive to their bodies and what they liked, so sex was fully satisfying.
Needless to say, there was an imprint that followed my psyche for many decades until I stumbled-upon this site...I knew deep-down that I wanted more than just a satisfying sex-life and getting bigger was/is the answer, (for me)

Ahh okay.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708295 said:
My [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] has morphed me into a shower, (previously I was a dramatic grower...maybe 2.50" flaccid to 6.50" erect) now I'm about 5.50"-6.00" flaccid (again depending on temperature/angst/etc.) and 7.875" erect. I no longer have any locker room anxiety or 'stage fright' at the urinal. Ultimately I'd like to hang consistently around 6" and 9" erect

Big Schwanz Acht;708375 said:
Thanks...my 1st attempt at PE started almost exactly 2 years ago with a Quick [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] Pro that I absolutely hated and ended-up giving away to a member here. I discovered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] shortly thereafter and was immediately hooked, (fortunately I didn't discover the VacuVin mod until a couple months of use or I probably would have done some damage, lol). Basic routine right now is warm-up w/light stretches in all directions under hot shower water, then bundles (up/down/side/side) for a minute each, then my modified fulcrum downward stretch for at least 2 minutes, then 10 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Goliath[/words] at 90% EQ and maybe 80% pressure, then [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s or just plain-Jane jelq's to get rid of any FR, then 10 minutes in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] at 90%/90% where I'll also do side-to-side, up/down and straight-out expressive stretches, then some more jelq's/SSJ's, then 15+ minutes at 100%/100% kegeling and RKing while compressing the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]gaiter[/words] into my pelvis as hard as possible and as many reps as I can do which also matches my Kegel rhythm, (press [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] hard while Kegeling, let go and RK...about 100 times). If I'm in the mood and there's still hot water left, I'll edge for 5-10 minutes. TaDa!
Started at just over 6.50 BPEL and 5.50 EG, I'm now almost 8"X7" depending on EQ and if the tape-measure is anywhere in sight, lol

Thanks for the quick reply. That sounds like a good routine. Can you go into detail about your modified downward fulcrum stretch?
 
GirthGains;708423 said:
Can you go into detail about your modified downward fulcrum stretch?

With my left hand, palm facing down I grab about mid-shaft and roll my pinky and ring finger over my glans and around my thumb creating a sort of 'hook'...with my right hand, I grab the base with my thumb behind the scrotum and start pulling with both hands downward and side/side
 
Big Schwanz Acht;708427 said:
With my left hand, palm facing down I grab about mid-shaft and roll my pinky and ring finger over my glans and around my thumb creating a sort of 'hook'...with my right hand, I grab the base with my thumb behind the scrotum and start pulling with both hands downward and side/side

So the thumb should be grabbing right behind the glans?
 
Also, don't sleep on LazyAssStretches, if you are sitting a lot these really help increase flaccid size.
 
I wanna hang 6" flaccid like big bro BSA but he is keeping secrets from me. Telling me [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] this [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words] that, fucken spill the beans already or I will go to your nursing home in a couple of years and beat the living ##$%%^#%$%$ $$%$\$^%. Just kiddin...:)..............................I will probably just piss in your oatmeal.
 
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kyomoto;708329 said:
Why would you have locker room anxiety if you knew you were big

I guess I still fall in the category of not thinking I'm all that big, but even if I am, why would I want other guys looking at me? Rather cover up and keep it hidden, even if I ever got to 7-8" flaccid.

Now if bathrooms/locker rooms were co-ed.... lol
 
rocky1243;708895 said:
I wanna hang 6" flaccid like big bro BSA but he is keeping secrets from me. Telling me [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] this [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words] that, fucken spill the beans already or I will go to your nursing home in a couple of years and beat the living ##$%%^#%$%$ $$%$\$^%. Just kiddin...:)..............................I will probably just piss in your oatmeal.

effin' hilarious!! Let me know when you get your [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] and I'll spill every 'secret' that I know. (in the meantime, I'll be knocking the back outta every pu$$y I encounter :cool:)
 
rocky1243;708895 said:
I wanna hang 6" flaccid like big bro BSA but he is keeping secrets from me. Telling me [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] this [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words] that, fucken spill the beans already or I will go to your nursing home in a couple of years and beat the living ##$%%^#%$%$ $$%$\$^%. Just kiddin...:)..............................I will probably just piss in your oatmeal.

i want a 7" flaccid >:(

Phoenix7672;708908 said:
I guess I still fall in the category of not thinking I'm all that big, but even if I am, why would I want other guys looking at me? Rather cover up and keep it hidden, even if I ever got to 7-8" flaccid.

Now if bathrooms/locker rooms were co-ed.... lol

hahaha
 
rocky1243;708895 said:
I wanna hang 6" flaccid like big bro BSA but he is keeping secrets from me. Telling me [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] this [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words] that, fucken spill the beans already or I will go to your nursing home in a couple of years and beat the living ##$%%^#%$%$ $$%$\$^%. Just kiddin...:)..............................I will probably just piss in your oatmeal.

Woah, sensing a lot of hostility here. Don't appreciate it ;)
 
iGrowSteady;708243 said:
Here's a fresh take on an old question \ issue, especially around these parts. Average dick size. I forget why I googled it, and not because it's on the radar obviously; though it is with the PEing and the MOSing and what not.

So google says 3.5 when soft and 5.1 to 5.6 when hard. (Wiki has girth at 4.8 and is more in depth.) Naturally there are more studies out there, but I'm mostly curious about what you guys think \ perceive.

Secondly, is the average being brought up my say adult entertainment star like dudes, or is it being brought down by that group of guys that Stern had on another lifetime ago for the small penis contest?

And this just hit me but I won't thread this question but roll it into this one; If you had to chose, would you rather be a shower or a grower? (That is those unlucky enough not to be big in both instances!)

Either way, apparently I'm above average, more so hard than soft, though I think like a lot of guys today for various reasons, don't approach their penises that way... Which naturally affects confidence, self esteem, etc. Now not that I should be walking around cocky, yayyyy word play, and or print up a sheet and show my soul-mate that I am indeed bigger than average, but slowly I'm acclimating myself to this new way of thinking. Its nice honestly, and clearly I owe it to PEing and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], and there's still more work to do, but this has been a good bit important me for a while now as I imagine a lot you guys as well.

I think its extremely important because in my case i grow pretty big but in flaccid state you would never know it. Ive gotten punked by girls who grope me cuz they judge me based on flaccid size.Drives me INSANE when i see people with flaccid horse dicks...SUCKS
 
Phoenix7672;708908 said:
I guess I still fall in the category of not thinking I'm all that big, but even if I am, why would I want other guys looking at me? Rather cover up and keep it hidden, even if I ever got to 7-8" flaccid.

Now if bathrooms/locker rooms were co-ed.... lol

Im straight but , but im an exhibitionist ... id ont care who sees my dick...im the 1 that goes struting thru the locker with towel on m shoulder. It just boost your self esteem. I just hate that i have to semi hard to do it , it shows that im clearly trying show off, where as longer flaccid guys can walk around swinging theyre junk and doesnt look like they are trying to hard
 
BigDickLoser;709049 said:
Im straight but , but im an exhibitionist ... id ont care who sees my dick...im the 1 that goes struting thru the locker with towel on m shoulder. It just boost your self esteem. I just hate that i have to semi hard to do it , it shows that im clearly trying show off, where as longer flaccid guys can walk around swinging theyre junk and doesnt look like they are trying to hard

just gotta mind the own business ya know? nobody really cares what you have
 
doublelongdaddy;709121 said:
Fluffers fuck up the locker room :)

there are some that just go waayyyy overboard ...thats when u cross into creep teritory. Im just proud of what i have, but clearly im over compensating for spmething f'd up in my life. Thats why i like this [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] , these excercises really work, and it boost my self worth when i see how big i get as a result. But i dont know what other excercise i should try next besides Jelq kegal and stretch. Ive consider some but they dont really appeal to me, so i finally decided to try a 12 in pump, i hope it does the trick
 
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kyomoto;709155 said:
yeah dont fluff the dick hahaa jk

In general i find that the majority of the ppl there do the same thing. Its more a selfish thing than it is a thing for spectators.1 time tho, i got hit on by a old buzzard the raging hard on..... CREEPTASTIC
 
BigDickLoser;709188 said:
In general i find that the majority of the ppl there do the same thing. Its more a selfish thing than it is a thing for spectators.1 time tho, i got hit on by a old buzzard the raging hard on..... CREEPTASTIC

lol they have no self respect or confidence
 
kyomoto;709193 said:
lol they have no self respect or confidence

Maybe so, but everybody over compensates in way or another. Ive been belittled my entire life , and yes my confidence and self fworth were ripped away long ago Then in high school i realized that my dick was about 1 to 2 1/2 longer than most of my peers. That gave me a basis for reclaimng confidence
 
BigDickLoser;709206 said:
Maybe so, but everybody over compensates in way or another. Ive been belittled my entire life , and yes my confidence and self fworth were ripped away long ago Then in high school i realized that my dick was about 1 to 2 1/2 longer than most of my peers. That gave me a basis for reclaimng confidence

So yea im definitely struting to my locker, with towel on shoulder and my shaved johnson swinging in plain view .
 
rocky1243;709225 said:
That is kindof weird.

I see what u mean, but im just 1 of 15 others...im just on the band wagon. This why i picked my screen name
 
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I would not walk through a locker room naked, I think I may scare people :)
 
BigDickLoser;709248 said:
I see what u mean, but im just 1 of 15 others...im just on the band wagon. This why i picked my screen name

lol you're not a loser dude, you got huge gains, can't wait til you show us your routine
 
doublelongdaddy;709259 said:
I would not walk through a locker room naked, I think I may scare people :)

Yea i think for someone as big as you, it would be a crime!!! lol!!!
 
doublelongdaddy;709259 said:
I would not walk through a locker room naked, I think I may scare people :)
People say mike let himself go but is really his penus wrapped around his belly which make him look pudgy under clothes
 
templnite;709373 said:
People say mike let himself go but is really his penus wrapped around his belly which make him look pudgy under clothes

lol
 
Here's a fresh take on an old question \ issue, especially around these parts. Average dick size. I forget why I googled it, and not because it's on the radar obviously; though it is with the PEing and the MOSing and what not.

So google says 3.5 when soft and 5.1 to 5.6 when hard. (Wiki has girth at 4.8 and is more in depth.) Naturally there are more studies out there, but I'm mostly curious about what you guys think \ perceive.

Secondly, is the average being brought up my say adult entertainment star like dudes, or is it being brought down by that group of guys that Stern had on another lifetime ago for the small penis contest?

And this just hit me but I won't thread this question but roll it into this one; If you had to chose, would you rather be a shower or a grower? (That is those unlucky enough not to be big in both instances!)

Either way, apparently I'm above average, more so hard than soft, though I think like a lot of guys today for various reasons, don't approach their penises that way... Which naturally affects confidence, self esteem, etc. Now not that I should be walking around cocky, yayyyy word play, and or print up a sheet and show my soul-mate that I am indeed bigger than average, but slowly I'm acclimating myself to this new way of thinking. Its nice honestly, and clearly I owe it to PEing and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], and there's still more work to do, but this has been a good bit important me for a while now as I imagine a lot you guys as well.

The thing is, when you make gains from PE and grow up to 8 inches in length, you will become both a grower and a shower. When my balls sack is tight, I become a grower. But at night or when the weather is hot, I become a shower.
 
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