19 - increasing height and bone size - aromatase inhibitor, advice/ opinions

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okay so im 19, 5ft 11. i have had growing pains in the last few months so i reckon my growth plates are still open. i have a very small bone structure and am trying to get big. ive been wanting to get taller for a while now, but today at the gym really got me motivated to do something about it. there was a guy in the gym who had similar muscle size, similar strength as me, but his bone structure was thick, with thick wrists and broader shoulders and in comparison to me he looked massive. i know 5ft 11 isnt a bad height but i really want to be above 6ft, and reckon i can do so safely. im not prepared to take HGH or AAS to increase bone length or thickness, side effects are too risky, not to mention the difficulty in sourcing them and the massive cost. i was going to use an aromatase inhibitor though. if done correctly, i cant see how it would cause any negative long term side effects, as estrogen levels fluctuate naturally anyway. i was tihnking of taking a low dose of anastrozole EOD, starting off with a smaller dose and slowly working up. i would also be taking glucosamine sulphate and MSM to help with the growth of new cartilage. (i already get plenty of calcium). i would then taper off the dose after about 3 months, with a 1 month break to create an artificial fluctuation that could further help growth (an artificial growth spurt). the increased test i would have from it not being aromatised into estrogen could also help growth and would also benefit me in the gym. the dosage i will be using will be slightly lower than that used for people with gyno.
before anyone gets on to me about messing with your endocrine system is stupid and im uneducated, tell me how its any different from hormone changes due to being obese, doing drugs, excessive alcohol, poor diet etc, all of which if resolved in good time lead to normal endocrine function.
the only side effects i can think of are joint paint and low sex drive, but as i wont be nuking my E only keeping it at a very low stable level, i dont think it will be an issue. its only with complete estrogen destruction people see bad side effects.
so, any advice/tips/ comments? alot of you are fairly educated and knowledgeable on hormones and general human physiology so wanted some insight from those who know more than me
 
Check out the Height post by the user Fedora, great information there.
 
doublelongdaddy;523473 said:
Check out the Height post by the user Fedora, great information there.
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thanks for the input. i did have a look at some of fedoras stuff, but from what i gather he mainly talks about stretching and exercises (unless im missing something) which is good for stretching the cartilage in the spine, and will probs give you more height due to better posture, but wont actually make you taller, which is why i wanted added bone growth.
im fairly sure its possible with what i outlined, just wanted some advice as im sure alot of people on here are better educated than me, and if theres any ways to increase the effects or decrease the sides
 
jordey;523494 said:
thanks for the input. i did have a look at some of fedoras stuff, but from what i gather he mainly talks about stretching and exercises (unless im missing something) which is good for stretching the cartilage in the spine, and will probs give you more height due to better posture, but wont actually make you taller, which is why i wanted added bone growth.
im fairly sure its possible with what i outlined, just wanted some advice as im sure alot of people on here are better educated than me, and if theres any ways to increase the effects or decrease the sides
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You're probably nearing the end of puberty so your bones will fuse soon. I read that swimming can help people grow taller while they're still growing. I also read a story by this guy who grew and inch or two in his late twenties. What he did was bike a lot and had his seat raised so he was hunched over. Therefore stretching his spine over time.

The only other way to grow taller is to have surgery. It's expensive and sounds pretty painful. They basically break the bones in your knees and you're suppose to slowly move them daily so new bones grow...
 
Yeah I think I'm nearing the end of my growth, so my logic is that taking the aromatase inhibitor will reduce the estrogen I have and therefore keep the growth plates open for longer. It should also raise testosterone as less is being aromatised into estrogen,and testosterone is needed for growth. Also do weight lifting and am on a caloric surplus so growth factors should be high in my body, but will be also doing things to increase growth factors. So the estrogen should keep growth plates open for longer, whilst my testosterone and growth factors continue to grow my bones, aswell as taking glucosamine and MSM to help the growth of new cartilage to be ossified.
If ive got something wrong or anyone knows a better way to increase growth please tell me., or if there is any side effects of doing what I've outlined

I've also heard about that surgery option, but its very expensive, and makes your body out of proportion, and is very.painfull. I wouldn't want to go that far
 
You are 19 years old, you still may grow.

Also, you must ask yourself, is all this really necessary? I mean, if it doesn't work are you going to hate on your appearance for the rest of your life?
 
kitfisto;523626 said:
You are 19 years old, you still may grow.

Also, you must ask yourself, is all this really necessary? I mean, if it doesn't work are you going to hate on your appearance for the rest of your life?
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i may still grow, i may not. the way i look at it is you can always change your body composition, but height you cant once youve stopped growing.

even if i get no results i can be satisfied in knowing i did everything i possibly could of (thats safe)
 
At 19 you still have a good few years of development across the board.
 
the main reason i want to try this is because i dont have particularly tall genetics, and most of the men in my family are below 6ft (most around 5ft9), so me being 5ft 11 at the moment, im pretty close to my genetic potential. if i just wait to possibly grow, it could never happen and by that time, my growth plates will be fused and i wont be able to do anything about it apart from painful, unnatural and expensive surgery (which im not desperate enough to do). this is the reason i want to try and change my height now as theres a much greater possibility that my body will respond
and @ruby10, i have been interested in the ROP but i live in the uk so its fairly expensive so cant afford it atm
 
if your going to do this...get a prohormone, topical like Trenazone, and follow up with anastrozole.....you will see great gains...its legal....and pretty safe comparable to orals , and no hepatotoxicity because it doesn't go through your liver.....and works great....not as good as steroid or oral pro hormone but the risks are very few.........doesn't covert to estrogen,etc..... gain a solid 12-13lbs of muscle mass and lose some of your BF% while doing so on a 1 1/2 cycle......
 
DJ916;525677 said:
if your going to do this...get a prohormone, topical like Trenazone, and follow up with anastrozole.....you will see great gains...its legal....and pretty safe comparable to orals , and no hepatotoxicity because it doesn't go through your liver.....and works great....not as good as steroid or oral pro hormone but the risks are very few.........doesn't covert to estrogen,etc..... gain a solid 12-13lbs of muscle mass and lose some of your BF% while doing so on a 1 1/2 cycle......
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tbh i dont think im prepared to take a prohorme, especially at my age. when i reach my body composition goal and i get the questions of am i naturally, i would feel guilty saying yes if i had taken PH's. the side effects can be quite high for PH's (similar to AAS) whereas aromatase inhibitors if done correctly have little side effect issues. if i can find a good website for peptides in the UK then ill be ordering some anastrozole soon
 
jordey;529978 said:
tbh i dont think im prepared to take a prohorme, especially at my age. when i reach my body composition goal and i get the questions of am i naturally, i would feel guilty saying yes if i had taken PH's. the side effects can be quite high for PH's (similar to AAS) whereas aromatase inhibitors if done correctly have little side effect issues. if i can find a good website for peptides in the UK then ill be ordering some anastrozole soon
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Very wise choice, the natural biological process is in the midst of it's greatest growth with proper hormonal balance, pre-programmed with growth as it's main goal in puberty. Messing with this cycle in anyway, other than that of manual efforts (Penis Enlargement as a Physical whole), is fool-hearted.
 
Kinda what my problem is, but actually, recently I found a guy( Lance Ward) on the net, he's got his own youtube channel. GRG- Grow Taller Guru. I still haven't tested his products, but he seems to have a lot of good feedback on the net.
 
Zambrodom3;542855 said:
Kinda what my problem is, but actually, recently I found a guy( Lance Ward) on the net, he's got his own youtube channel. GRG- Grow Taller Guru. I still haven't tested his products, but he seems to have a lot of good feedback on the net.
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ive just looked over his stuff and if i was you i wouldnt buy any of his products. it seems to me (i may be wrong) he goes down the route of stretching and exercises. this will NOT make you grow, all it will do is stretch the cartilage between the spinal discs making you temporarily shorter, it will not grow anymore bone. once youve stopped growing, thats it you wont grow any more, the mechanism for bone growth has ended and you wont gain anymore height, this is why you should never beleive when people tell you as an adult you can grow taller, especially when they're making claims of up to half a foot of growth!

i think im still in puberty, so i think i still have a chance. im currently taking an aromatase inhibitor and will be looking into ways into increasing pge1
 
jordey;542859 said:
ive just looked over his stuff and if i was you i wouldnt buy any of his products. it seems to me (i may be wrong) he goes down the route of stretching and exercises. this will NOT make you grow, all it will do is stretch the cartilage between the spinal discs making you temporarily shorter, it will not grow anymore bone. once youve stopped growing, thats it you wont grow any more, the mechanism for bone growth has ended and you wont gain anymore height, this is why you should never beleive when people tell you as an adult you can grow taller, especially when they're making claims of up to half a foot of growth!

i think im still in puberty, so i think i still have a chance. im currently taking an aromatase inhibitor and will be looking into ways into increasing pge1
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Damn! That was my only hope! Well, if you know something or have something in mind, please do share.
 
Zambrodom3;542926 said:
Damn! That was my only hope! Well, if you know something or have something in mind, please do share.
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how old are you?
from everything ive read it seems when epiphyseal plates have closed, thats it you wont grow anymore. this may not be the case and i know some people dont believe they ever truly close but ive yet to hear of someone growing and taller whilst being out of the growing years unless they have a medical condition.

im taking letro and soon to be taking EPO to lower estrogen and raise pge1, but i have to research the pge1 more, ill see how it goes.
 
jordey;542936 said:
how old are you?
from everything ive read it seems when epiphyseal plates have closed, thats it you wont grow anymore. this may not be the case and i know some people dont believe they ever truly close but ive yet to hear of someone growing and taller whilst being out of the growing years unless they have a medical condition.

im taking letro and soon to be taking EPO to lower estrogen and raise pge1, but i have to research the pge1 more, ill see how it goes.
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Well, i'm 19, but i'm turning 20 on the 20th of april. So you can say I am 20. My family is short too. I am around the middle, but unlike you who are 5'11, I am 5'4. And I am looking for ways to increase my height, cause you know, it's not that nice being short......... especially when you are 5'4 19-20 year old male rofl rofl rofl. If you learn something on the topic that could help us, please do share.
 
Zambrodom3;542973 said:
Well, i'm 19, but i'm turning 20 on the 20th of april. So you can say I am 20. My family is short too. I am around the middle, but unlike you who are 5'11, I am 5'4. And I am looking for ways to increase my height, cause you know, it's not that nice being short......... especially when you are 5'4 19-20 year old male rofl rofl rofl. If you learn something on the topic that could help us, please do share.
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Please look into Fedora's work in Height Increase.
 
doublelongdaddy;542989 said:
Please look into Fedora's work in Height Increase.
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The post by the user fedora is nowhere to be found. I clicked on your link and it got me to his profile, I searched through the forum with advanced search, but i did not find anything concerning height. Can you please give me a direct link to the post( if it doesn't bother you)??? Edit: I think I found it. Is it under the topic "My body manipulating project"- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?38672-My-body-manipulating-project ????
 
Zambrodom3;543009 said:
The post by the user fedora is nowhere to be found. I clicked on your link and it got me to his profile, I searched through the forum with advanced search, but i did not find anything concerning height. Can you please give me a direct link to the post( if it doesn't bother you)???
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the thing with fedoras work is that its based around stretching. stretching as far as i know, will not make you grow taller. im not sure how much you know about bones and growth but i will go into it shortly anyway.

so basically between each vertebrae of the spine there is cartilage. this acts sort of like a spring. daily pressures (bad postures, exercise, thw weight of gravity pushing you down) make the cartilage compress and thus youre shorter. if i do heavy squats i will be about an inch shorter, but then the next day the 'springs' will bounce back and return me to normal height. this is also why people are taller in the morning than in the evening: whilst sleeping your spine isnt under pressure so it stretches back out, then through the day gravity squished it back down.

i may be wrong here so someone correct me if they have a better understanding, but all stetches/ hanging do is take away the compression and put you at your 'real' height, sort of like a bone pressed measurement for height. i cant see any mechanism for making new cartilage, and even if they were i dont think it would be very good to increase the amount of cartilage and not bone size.

since i dont fully understand the mechanisms by which the spine grows im more focused on long bone growth (legs). they have cartilage at the end of them (the growth plates) which ossify to create new bone, then new cartilage is made and ossifies and so on, causing the bone to grow but it eventually stops, and this is mainly from fluctuations in estrogen. (hormones tend to stabilise after puberty, and height usually stops). this is why im taking an aromatase inhibitor, to reduce estrogen and hopefully stop it from closing my growth plates. i would also like to increase pge1 as this is a big factor in growth. i would need to do something for the growth factors as i dont think just reducing estrogen is enough. not sure what to do yet though, not really prepared to inject.
 
Interesting! There is a lot of info on lance ward's book (the one with the Grow Taller Guru- GTG blog in youtube). I read it, but haven't currently used it. If you want it I can give you a link where you can purchase *cough* get it. Plus he has pretty nice feedback from people! That's what made me believe him and recommend him as a valuable source of information. Search through the net and see the feedback and decide for yourself if he is trustworthy.

Edit: He goes as far as telling people that if they are under their 30's, they can reach 6 ft or grow an additional 5 inches!!!! He has more than one programs though.
 
Zambrodom3;542973 said:
I am 5'4. And I am looking for ways to increase my height, cause you know, it's not that nice being short
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At 5'7 I'm not the world's tallest guy either...and yeah I know I have 3 inches on you, but believe me I can feel your pain. But from one relatively short guy to another I'll tell you something that you've probably heard before but that is 100% true: girls care WAY more about your confidence than your height.

Height ain't dick size. A short guy with a big cock (which, as [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] members, we either already are or will be soon enough) has everything it takes to satisfy a woman. Girls may try and give you a lot of bullshit about your height, but most of the time they're just testing you to see how confident you are. Yes, they may aesthetically buy into the cultural ideal of Hollywood movies where the dude is always taller than the girl, but at the end of the day any girl worth having is not going to care about your height if you already know you're man enough for her.

I find that humor is the absolute best way to diffuse this issue. For example, a few years ago I met a woman on a dating site who was a few inches taller than me. She brought this up in chat, and informed me that I had "better be complex and mysterious because I was short." So I told her SHE had better be complex and mysterious because my ex girlfriend was a Zulu and, as such, she had a lot to live up to...literally.

She laughed and basically melted for me after that, because I sent her a clear message that my height was not an insecurity for me. Another line I find works great on taller girls who raise the issue of height: "Don't worry, I won't look down on you for being so tall" lol.

You might have another growth spurt left in you, but if you don't, work on your attitude. My frame is that nothing is sexier than a short guy who doesn't give a shit...and believe me, it works. And if some shallow, silly bitch rejects you for your height (which, yes, has happened to me too), all you have to do is remind yourself that she's too superficial to care about anything other than how you'll "look" together (because that IS what they're thinking about). So save what you're packing for the next tall, sexy blonde who's smart enough to know that we're not short where it counts ;)
 
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Damn guys, a lot of support I see here, a huge THANKS, still, I am not a depressed guy with an axe in his hand rofl rofl rofl rofl. But I am really looking forward to maximizing and developing what GOD has given to me.
 
Just to comment on the height issue: Your only 19! You should wait and see if you grow to 6'2" on your own! You don't want to be messing around with chemicals unnecessarily. At least that's my opinion.
 
Zambrodom3;543095 said:
I'm not talking about chemicals, but for stretching or yoga exercises actually, thanks for your opinion btw hepcat.
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I was actually replying to the first post. I don't know why I didn't quote it to prevent confusion. Yoga is a good idea and will definitely help you reach your height potential but don't expect anything drastic. Best of luck to you.
 
Zambrodom3;543019 said:
Interesting! There is a lot of info on lance ward's book (the one with the Grow Taller Guru- GTG blog in youtube). I read it, but haven't currently used it. If you want it I can give you a link where you can purchase *cough* get it. Plus he has pretty nice feedback from people! That's what made me believe him and recommend him as a valuable source of information. Search through the net and see the feedback and decide for yourself if he is trustworthy.

Edit: He goes as far as telling people that if they are under their 30's, they can reach 6 ft or grow an additional 5 inches!!!! He has more than one programs though.
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if you could send it to me that would be great, i would love to have a read of it and see how realistic it is
 
hepcat;543091 said:
Just to comment on the height issue: Your only 19! You should wait and see if you grow to 6'2" on your own! You don't want to be messing around with chemicals unnecessarily. At least that's my opinion.
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because im only 19 is exactly the reason i want to do this. once i get to a certain age, ill have stopped growing and thats it, no more growth will happen there will be nothing i can do apart from painful, expensive, strange surgery- not worth it. i might get to 6ft 2, i might not grow at all. im not prepared to just sit and wait to see what my genetics has in store for me, especially when most men in my family are below 6ft.

as for side effects what ive outlined would result in side effects so minimal that i wouldnt even notice. and tbh, ive been taking an aromatase inhibitor for almost 2 months now, tapering the dose, and i have had absolutely no side effects. the two main side effects people report are lower libido and joint pain. ive had no reduction in libido, and despite still doing heavy squats and deadlifts i have no joint paint. plus the dosage im at should give me an increase in testosterone. since im on accutane aswell now, i get my blood tested and so far everythings normal... just gotta figure out how to increase pge1 levels now, might try rosehip oil
 
jordey;543639 said:
because im only 19 is exactly the reason i want to do this. once i get to a certain age, ill have stopped growing and thats it, no more growth will happen there will be nothing i can do apart from painful, expensive, strange surgery- not worth it. i might get to 6ft 2, i might not grow at all. im not prepared to just sit and wait to see what my genetics has in store for me, especially when most men in my family are below 6ft.

as for side effects what ive outlined would result in side effects so minimal that i wouldnt even notice. and tbh, ive been taking an aromatase inhibitor for almost 2 months now, tapering the dose, and i have had absolutely no side effects. the two main side effects people report are lower libido and joint pain. ive had no reduction in libido, and despite still doing heavy squats and deadlifts i have no joint paint. plus the dosage im at should give me an increase in testosterone. since im on accutane aswell now, i get my blood tested and so far everythings normal... just gotta figure out how to increase pge1 levels now, might try rosehip oil
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I completely agree that there is and age when height increase can be an issue. Btw, what results have you seen using this stuff actually? PM me and I will send you the file or will tell you where you can purchase it. :)
 
Zambrodom3;543876 said:
I completely agree that there is and age when height increase can be an issue. Btw, what results have you seen using this stuff actually? PM me and I will send you the file or will tell you where you can purchase it. :)
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I followed Fedora's thread on Height Increase, at the age of 44, 2.5 years back, and I was able to increase my height about .25-.5". Much of the gain came as a result of older age! As a person gets older the tend to slouch more and more and the spine will become more compressed and much height can be lost. But with good exercise, spine stretching, posture work, etc. this all can be reversed and height can be increased.
 
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