To DLD, Mods and all of MOS
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hey dld or any mod not trying to hijack this thread but any time I click the form tab a Trojan.Maljava!gen23 keeps hitting my laptop and I mean really keeps hitting my machine bad its a low risk trojan which is good but just wanted to give you a heads up
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Well I missed getting on this thread in a timely fashion because a trojan blocker would not let me in through my mobile sat system. Anyway, I wanted to give a little reflection on the subject.
First of all, I remember some very good times with SWM (Ben) in the forum. I do know that he is capable of some really great contributions to the Penis Enlargement community and I personally think of him as, not only an asset, but also a person that has gone the extra mile to develop techniques and get very detailed information out there. In other words, Ben was willing to put in the time and effort. If you take a look at the first mention on any forum, it was me that came up with the moniker of "Hardcore Hanging" and the name has been used to even name a hanger. But let's be honest here, Ben took the concept and did make it better, safer and more detailed. I certainly did not have the time to do that myself as a touring musician for the last years. So, this example can be looked at a couple of ways. One could say that others stole my words and ideas. Another might say that ideas spawned other ideas and improvements. I look at it just like that because I have not commercial interest in anything in this community and do not seek profit from anything in this movement. So, I looked at SWM as a guy that was a real contributor, something I wish I had time before and that I admired.
Others I know have done the same thing. Supra and the Blakoe Ring that he very cleverly marketed as a much more trendy "Ring of Power." He aggressively pursued this Tom Hubbard idea and, not only made it better, he put it back in the mainstream. He put a lot of his energy in the device. If anyone PMs me asking about the device I absolutely refer them to Supra (and not the inventor Tom Hubbard) because Supra is the modern day expert and far as I am concerned. I have not always gotten along with Supra but the truth is the truth.
DLD was not the first to come up with Penis Enlargement. Yeah, I know guys, we look at him as the premier Penis Enlargement Guru in the universe (and that is fucking huge), but the truth is he was not the first to think of Penis Enlargement. What did he do? He made it his life's work to mainstream Penis Enlargement for all men. He packaged old and new techniques that many of us came up with and made them better and more available. He hugely added to the community with his time. Many of us in the background have clearly contributed to his success and expected no part of the credit, only wanting to see the man make it. At least that is my attitude. DLD made it better in more ways than I can list.
What Ben really did was attempt to capitalize on his efforts and improve on others works. When DLD broke away from Thundersplace they felt he did just these same things over there. Trusts were broken and commercial efforts were threatening and soon DLD and others of us associated with him were swiftly banned and marked as traitors. Been was marked as a traitor for some similar activity. Here he is coming back to attempt to rejoin our group. The question is, will he once again be a traitor to the enterprise? Well, I know this is a concern because of a past history. This would be like DLD asking to rejoin �other forum�. Of course we know that those pathetic fucks would never welcome DLD or any of us back.
So are we better than that? I want to think I am and I want to embrace Ben as an old friend that went a bit astray. I felt the same way about Supra and Red when they went a little off course and I welcomed them back as my bros. I am not saying he should be a MOD (fuck no). I am just saying that, as a member, as a MOD here, as a person that wants to see MOS do well, SWM is an asset to the community and I for one believe he can once again be a positive contributor and it should be considered from the 30,000 foot view and not the 5000 foot view.
I do ultimately stand with DLD and I have no loyalty to any other than him on this forum. We are a better group here. I would personally love to see Ben contributing here at MOS in a positive way again. He did make the forum better. He can again as a regular member in my opinion. There is no reason that he should be looked down upon for developing his own hanger and offering for less. That is a contribution guys. And he is offering to give some profits to the forum. How can that be a bad thing? In fact, he will have interests in keeping the straight and narrow as well. Just my thoughts on this and I mean no harm or insults to anyone. I love you guys and yes, that includes Ben.
First of all, I remember some very good times with SWM (Ben) in the forum. I do know that he is capable of some really great contributions to the Penis Enlargement community and I personally think of him as, not only an asset, but also a person that has gone the extra mile to develop techniques and get very detailed information out there. In other words, Ben was willing to put in the time and effort. If you take a look at the first mention on any forum, it was me that came up with the moniker of "Hardcore Hanging" and the name has been used to even name a hanger. But let's be honest here, Ben took the concept and did make it better, safer and more detailed. I certainly did not have the time to do that myself as a touring musician for the last years. So, this example can be looked at a couple of ways. One could say that others stole my words and ideas. Another might say that ideas spawned other ideas and improvements. I look at it just like that because I have not commercial interest in anything in this community and do not seek profit from anything in this movement. So, I looked at SWM as a guy that was a real contributor, something I wish I had time before and that I admired.
Others I know have done the same thing. Supra and the Blakoe Ring that he very cleverly marketed as a much more trendy "Ring of Power." He aggressively pursued this Tom Hubbard idea and, not only made it better, he put it back in the mainstream. He put a lot of his energy in the device. If anyone PMs me asking about the device I absolutely refer them to Supra (and not the inventor Tom Hubbard) because Supra is the modern day expert and far as I am concerned. I have not always gotten along with Supra but the truth is the truth.
DLD was not the first to come up with Penis Enlargement. Yeah, I know guys, we look at him as the premier Penis Enlargement Guru in the universe (and that is fucking huge), but the truth is he was not the first to think of Penis Enlargement. What did he do? He made it his life's work to mainstream Penis Enlargement for all men. He packaged old and new techniques that many of us came up with and made them better and more available. He hugely added to the community with his time. Many of us in the background have clearly contributed to his success and expected no part of the credit, only wanting to see the man make it. At least that is my attitude. DLD made it better in more ways than I can list.
What Ben really did was attempt to capitalize on his efforts and improve on others works. When DLD broke away from Thundersplace they felt he did just these same things over there. Trusts were broken and commercial efforts were threatening and soon DLD and others of us associated with him were swiftly banned and marked as traitors. Been was marked as a traitor for some similar activity. Here he is coming back to attempt to rejoin our group. The question is, will he once again be a traitor to the enterprise? Well, I know this is a concern because of a past history. This would be like DLD asking to rejoin �other forum�. Of course we know that those pathetic fucks would never welcome DLD or any of us back.
So are we better than that? I want to think I am and I want to embrace Ben as an old friend that went a bit astray. I felt the same way about Supra and Red when they went a little off course and I welcomed them back as my bros. I am not saying he should be a MOD (fuck no). I am just saying that, as a member, as a MOD here, as a person that wants to see MOS do well, SWM is an asset to the community and I for one believe he can once again be a positive contributor and it should be considered from the 30,000 foot view and not the 5000 foot view.
I do ultimately stand with DLD and I have no loyalty to any other than him on this forum. We are a better group here. I would personally love to see Ben contributing here at MOS in a positive way again. He did make the forum better. He can again as a regular member in my opinion. There is no reason that he should be looked down upon for developing his own hanger and offering for less. That is a contribution guys. And he is offering to give some profits to the forum. How can that be a bad thing? In fact, he will have interests in keeping the straight and narrow as well. Just my thoughts on this and I mean no harm or insults to anyone. I love you guys and yes, that includes Ben.
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What is the differens between the hanger and Bib Hanger?
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Well Im just asking, Im new on this forum and did not know what was going on really. I do not give this guy any credits at all.
Cg1 so you mean that he just stealed the whole idea and sold the hangers for half the price?
Cg1 so you mean that he just stealed the whole idea and sold the hangers for half the price?
MartinGlad;508777 said:
Yes. It is the Bib HardCore model. He replicated the design that Bib has been selling for a decade, and is selling it for half the price. That is so disrespectful. Make your own hanger, your own product, and sell it. Don't steal other peoples ideas. You know?
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Although this dispute is none of my business, it really irks me that SWM made an effort to promote his hanger and pretend to be a happy customer of the product under the same name samswater in the hanging forum.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?68045-Anyone-heard-of-hanger&p=503293&mode=linear#post503293
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?68045-Anyone-heard-of-hanger&p=503293&mode=linear#post503293
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Well that is pretty fucked up for sure. Certainly seems dishonest. Not good.
Jaronimo;508818 said:
Its best we move on. He said he would so Mos will and should too. He has been exposed, he knows he is wrong, lets just let it be. We know what his motives are now and who too look out for in the future. Again Mos rises to the situation, addressed it and now we move forward to a brighter future.
I will be joining Mike in florida soon for a total overhaul of all of our exercises, pe equipment and we are going to do some ground breaking stuff for our members.
I will be joining Mike in florida soon for a total overhaul of all of our exercises, pe equipment and we are going to do some ground breaking stuff for our members.
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Supra and I would also like you to help me, do you wanna get paid for it or something because I really want help badly. I have bought the DVD and stuff like that but would like to ask you about other stuff such as Extender vs Hanger and other methods as clamping. Im newbie you know and young too....
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Supra;508895 said:
Yes, 8x6.1 to be exact.
I have only doing Penis Enlargement for one month man, ofc you could teach me, Im a newbie.
I started at 6inches girth and 6,7 lenght and havent focused on girth yet cuz its not so important for me right now as lenght is.
I really need help, and would be really happy if you could teach me more about Penis Enlargement supra.
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Cuz there will be times Supra when im Done with Newbie routine... And then I need to keep moving forward and there is just too much out there. Phase 2 is an option Of course, Im gonna focus on girth after lenght I decided.
Would still want to know more about extenders and hangers and you would really get my respect if you could answer my PM:s even if I ask stupid stuff I dont joke, i rly wonder what Im asking.
Would still want to know more about extenders and hangers and you would really get my respect if you could answer my PM:s even if I ask stupid stuff I dont joke, i rly wonder what Im asking.
samswater;508634 said:
No hatred here at all.
You've been banned from some of these forums yet you don't seem to care for that one way or the other. You may have even managed not to get caught had you not started back up to your old ways again. That's truly a shame, since when you're not trying to do underhanded things you do quite a lot of good.
These forums are networking to ensure that no more harm comes to them from you.
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doublelongdaddy;508661 said:They are worth four now
Let us look at a overall picture from different perspectives and what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in a culture I am largely a part of creating. I will use myself as an example as no one els will state my position but me. We can critique this to death but nuts for nuts, it is pretty much accurate.
I emerged into the internet scene at the same time Stillwantmore was. This was in the early 2000's. I became semi successful with a picture taking site with my girlfriend Jen (sexyjen.net) no longer open. This is when I met Stillwantmore, as he was posting pictures of a girl he was dating. Anyway, we both ended up on perform, no longer around nut at the time it was the premiere Penis Enlargement forum with only one competitor, Thundersplace. Peforum was a very busy forum, much like MOS, that was frequennted by some of the originators in this culture. People like Bib, BigAl (the owner of peforum) Tom Hubbard (I think he owned T's Place at the time, Uli, Horse, Luvdadus, whatever, there was a really good core group of men who went to the forums. I eventually became a moderator for Peforum's, it was an honor and I earned this status through the innovations I had brought to the Penis Enlargement World. MOS was noty a site yet.
About this time I was sent an email by Thunder asking me to join and post on his site, Thundersplace, he promised me a mod position. I am not sure on the timing but I went from member to moderator inside of a month, maybe less. I was posting in both forums but an awful incident destroyed much of the Peforum data base, a purging accident, that cost the forum it's members. Ironically, the same thing happened to Thiundersplace last month and they lost a lot of data, members and other issues. This is pretty much a death sentence for a forum. Backing up is KING. Backup EVERYDAY! Back up TWICE A DAY!
BigAl, although going through the massive loss of data went on to form pegym which is very successful on many levels. Al is a dear friend and he has always been a moderator here at Matters of Size since day one. In many ways AL helped me stay in this business, if it were not for him I may have given up during the DLD/Thunder Conflict (which still ranks as the highest position thread on Thundersplace when you search that string in Google. search for: Thundersplace results:
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Amazing, how much damage can a man do with his penis?Anyway, my history was very clear and extremely organized from that day, the thread was posted on �other forum� 06-02-2003, 01:12 PM Since that date my past is easily traced from the date: June 3, 2003 12:00...about 12 hours later MOS was open and things changed forever!
I have never made any illusion of myself or held any information back from my members, or even the public for that matter. My signature alone contains not only my agenda and my affiliates, it also gives a clear media history, rich with honesty and accurate critique. I put myself out there, it did what Thunder, Al or any other site owner was willing to do, I allowed GQ Magazine into my home for a public measuring. In addition, my signature gives clear instruction to making the fastest gains you can make...Penis EnlargementRIOD. How much do I profit if someone takes my advice? After the bills are paid I would walk way with $80! That is on a full purchase of everything! It is pulic, I don't hide it, I never have. And when I need money and sales are down I can ask the forum. It has happened a few times over the years when MOS struggled. No illusions, public for all to see. In many cases I paid the money back as I became increasingly successful with MOS.
Now, lets take my $80 (back in the channel4 documentary it was $50
Traceable history, it follows you and no matter where you go. You are held accountable to what you say. You become accountable to measurements that you have claimed. In the scenario we all share HISTORY REIGNS SUPREME! I would rather be honest with you guys then misrepresent anything! MOS is quite literally, in this form exactly, An Earned Seat in a Brotherhood of a very select few. The job here? One thing and one thing only, creating bigger, better, fatter, longer cocks for anyone who wants to learn. How much do I make? Well, if we consider AlphaBlade and it's cost and burden upon me and my current projects, I have enough to eat and live a decent life with my family. I have a few nice things that are mine, earned, paid for. I still live in the same ghetto apartment I did when Ben came to visit me. A time he would try to use against me in the forums here!
There is no illusion to my mental disfunction and I certainly wear my heart on my sleeve but during a very venerable time in my life, when my bi-polar was in manic mode, Ben came to visit me along with another forum member. Anyway I needed some space and Ben and the other guy did not want to leave me a lone so I had to punch Ben in the face, to stop him from following me. That was the last time I saw him. I was hospitalized, got back to the forums to find Ben trying to drag our personal experience into the general public. Very low, low indeed.
Since that time he has come back and left and made appearances here and there under alias names. I actually allowed Stillwantmore2 after Ben apologized for some shit. I even re-modded him. I mean I was very forgiving. ANd even in this, well the rest is history too. Redzulu, Clampers World, the whole leaving MOS and trying, and I me trying, to fuck with my webstats? Do you realize how fucking powerful MOS is? The members? The post? The Threads? The History? All I need to do is change an opinion on a and it changes the game for the entire business. Did you really think I was going to allow you to use MOS as a advertisement for something Red worked so hard for? Look Ben, BigAl is still my friend, Jaz is still my friend, I have been in this business a long time and I will say it again....MOS is not to be fucked with. All I neded to do is change a few keywords and your attempts to affect MOS and Redzulu were Stiffled. Your traffic must have been around 3 people a day. At least you did not lie about that like �other forum� does...Members Online Who's Online: 1079 (143 members and 936 guests)! Nigga Please...give up on those lies, let people see who is really online Thunder!
Anyway, I wish you, Bib, Thunder and every other business man out there GOOD LUCK! If you care enough about your members you will become successful. If you are something different than this, well it is apparent.
Now runoff, like the rest of the haters and call me a fake, a fraud or whatever other name, you or my adversaries have for me.
I will let my public deal with you and your fate here at MOS.
I am sorry for reviving a thread that would be better off dead. But I read it and I just can't miss saying it. This post, this whole thing- it only makes me PROUD that I have met you (through the net), that I can call you brother and even father! I am looking forward to see you and believe me- when you finish the Holyoke project, one day I knock on your door and when I see you- I will shake your hand because I respect you, and I will hug you, because I love you (NOT in a gay way- you know
). Until then. Know that you are an idol for me and I will always respect you! Your friend, brother and a big fanboy (!!!!!!!) Zam 
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Zam: You are right, this thread does show the strength of the brotherhood. I am just suprised that the guy went as far as to contact lawyers. If it wasnt for this site and others, He would of never been able to have a similar product to tweek. But i tell you one thing. I love the post when DLD states the origin of how this site got started. This was definitely a good read.
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