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Hi,
I would like to discuss the following thoughts about routines and get it stickied if the thread develops fine.
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Frequency for the parts of the routines

Ligs considering the biological facts and the facts that is is stretching of a small tissues I dare to say daily routines do them best.

PC Muscle is a muscle and I got to say that I train muscles after HIT principles. Anyway it is a very small muscle and small muscles regenerate quickly. For sure training on most days should be OK, but I don't know if daily training is perfect.

Smooth Muscles are the tissue I don't know much about and my present problem. At the moment I provide them with 2 days of rest the week.

The Tunica is a tissue that is just getting stretched and a small tissue so I would dare to say daily training does this one best.
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Days of rest

We are training different parts of the body and different kinds of tissues. Focusing them independend from each other might provide the best gains. We are dealing with tissue damage in order to enlarge the tissue by the bodily adaption functions.

So What would be better? Low frequent, but long pauses (f.e. 5 days in row and 2 days off) or more frequent, but shorter pauses (f.e. 3 days in row and 1 day off)?

Both got their advantages, but what should we go for?

5on 2off provides higher safety of recovery, but 3on 1off provides more growth periodes by total recovery. Total recovery? Is that day off enough or will even the 24 hour brake between daily training do the job?
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General stuff about the routines

Without a doubt some time to heal is good for some kinds of tissues. So I would say doing all the training in row deals with a big advantage. It offers us to deal with more damage and thereby a higher growth stimulance. To gain advantages from that it should be used.

In general all kinds of tissues should be done ordered in row. Some exercises like Errect Stretches should privide a nice transition between the kinds of tissues.

f.e. Errect Stretches between girth training and lig training

I personally start with the girth stuff aiming for the best errection. It is followed by the PC Muscle training to reduce the risc of errecting while doing ligs or tunica.

An exception are exercises for the transition. I finish my workouts with hanging. before hanging I do the tunica, but between them I use heavily executed Anti-Lot Stretches (signature) to prepare for hanging.

Yet i got the following results. With almost equel BPenis EnlargementL and BPFSL (1cm difference). I gained 1 inch of flaccid length in 1 month, long after the 1,5cm of newbie gains.

The order of exercises. I don't do warming up or warming down, becuase I didnt feel any difference with it. Instead of that I use my own way. I always start with the softest exercise for a longer time, but I start soft and slowly do them harder. The next exercise for the same tissue will be a harder one. I simply think that this is the afest way to be prepared for harder exercises and the steady stress increase should increase the stimulance for growth in stretchable tissues.

Ligs and Tunica in row are usually called length training. Both tissues fit well together. So an example for the workout of these would be.

Stretches (soft start)
Stretches with assist (f.e. foot lock, F-Stretch, Leg Lever Stretches [signature], Length Master to increase the stress)
A-Stretches (change to Tunica)
any Bundled Stretch (increasing the stress on the tunica)
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TSM Theory related part
I normally use it, but not now. What I wrote about the frequencies of training might seem like questioning that theory, but I don't. I just wrote down my thoughts about optimum gains. So if you BPenis EnlargementL is far smaller than the BPFSL you don't need to exercise the T higher frequently than the SM, but if you are in a period with BPenis EnlargementL and BPFSL close together you might archieve the wanted difference faster under full use of that.
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LOT-Theory
Read my post about Anti-LOT Stretch and Spiral Stretch.
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I am not the most experienced guy, but that is what seems to be facts after endless research. I don't want to question any present thoughts. I just want to find some options for coming close to the highest possible progress. Discuss about it. If my post was bullshit we maybe can write a very productive summary of the discussion. I am not playing god or mister all knowing. I would like to hear corrections if I am wrong somewhere.

Lets archieve our goals faster fellas!
 
With the tunica it is good to keep in mind that it only has approximately 5% elasticity so making gains in this area will happen over long periods of intense stretching.
 
a medial study about the recovery of each of these tissues would maybe help to find the perfect frequency. i think that perfect frequency would offer the optimum gains without a risc of overworking.

actually what i wrote are my thoughts how i'm slowly adding stuff to a basic routine.
 
I wrote stuff on this not too long ago - It has a focus on smooth muscle (among other things) which might interest you.
 
doublelongdaddy;349470 said:
With the tunica it is good to keep in mind that it only has approximately 5% elasticity so making gains in this area will happen over long periods of intense stretching.

By "long period" do you mean as in 30 seconds like when doing the manual stretches (with LM, PA, or bundled stretches, etc)
OR
1-hour sessions in extenders such as Fastsize?

Because I do believe that I have stretched my ligs as far as they would grow, so my focus is tunica right now. I am stretching 4 hours a day with Fastsize currently, with no manual exercises. I wonder which one you would recommend for tunica (given that BOTH is probably not an option at the moment due to time constraints).
 
us_new_kids;349498 said:
By "long period" do you mean as in 30 seconds like when doing the manual stretches (with LM, PA, or bundled stretches, etc)
OR
1-hour sessions in extenders such as Fastsize?

Because I do believe that I have stretched my ligs as far as they would grow, so my focus is tunica right now. I am stretching 4 hours a day with Fastsize currently, with no manual exercises. I wonder which one you would recommend for tunica (given that BOTH is probably not an option at the moment due to time constraints).

An extender would work as it will stretch the penis for long periods but this can be done quicker with a more intense method of long term stretching like hanging and the new Length Master. Manual stretching will be effective too but in order to make Tunica gains the stretches would need to be held longer. Switching hands can allow you to hold a stretch indefinitely.
 
well, i got the problem that the muscle for the thumb hurts after a while.i mean the one btween thumb and index finger.
 
my idea rather is to gains from tunica and smooth muscles and let it profit from a better pc muscle.

i figured out a more effective way of training it than the common kegels.

contract the muscle totally (needs to be difficult), hold it til failure, do a short brake and repeat it. do that for 10 munutes.

instead of like 100 kegels in 10 minutes it would be like.

2,5 minutes
2 minutes
1,5 minutes
1 minute
...

til the time is complete. the muscle profits much better from that and so it should be capable of more. as we have learned from mike mentzer failure is the best growth stimulance. the pc muscle will quickly be multiple times as strong as normally due to fibres activation and hypertrophy.
 
holy shit try that kegel routine

PC-Muscle Failure Routine
10 Minutes Kegel
5 Minutes Reverse Kegel

Hold a Kegel with the maximum contraction til failure. Pause a few seconds and do that til you time limit has passed. If you aren't at failure when you reach the time limit hold on til failure.

The PC-Muscle needs to be totally contracted. That is much harder than a normal Kegel.
 
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