In the 1930 we were victims of propaganda...it is 2007???

10inchadvantage · Jul 29, 2007

Pandora said:
You are saying, or a least I get the idea from this post that because it is growing from the ground that God has made this happen, and now it should be accept as being divine, whether cocaine is extracted from the plant, without the plant their would be no cocaine where is the logic in that I ask????

Wow, you totally got me wrong. I'm saying, who made marijuana? Who makes cocaine and alcohol? Just wondering dude.

10inchadvantage · Jul 29, 2007

Pandora said:
Cannibalism prompted by angeldust hallucinations
WDIV-TV 4 Detroit |
"Marc V. Sappington, 25, told detectives he started hearing voices after smoking the hallucinogenic drug PCP in 2001. He said he only heard the voices while under the influence of drugs. 'They started telling me if I didn't eat, I was going to die,' Sappington said in the videotape. 'They said I had to eat flesh and blood if I want to live.' Sappington is charged with three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Terry T. Green, 25; Michael Weaver Jr., 22; and Alton 'Fred' Brown Jr., 16, in April 2001... Around 7 a.m., Sappington said, he lured Brown into his house with the suggestion the two smoke marijuana. They went into the basement, where Sappington said he shot Brown. 'I was drinking his blood,' Sappington said on the videotape. 'I was licking it off the floor, and I had to throw up, but I couldn't because I had to eat.' He said he had trouble eating Brown's leg raw, so he went upstairs, fried it in a skillet and ate most of it."

Ok dude, that's PCP. I wouldn't ever dare fuck with that stuff.

Pandora · Jul 29, 2007

Man apparently stabs wife, kid, self to death
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle |
"Steven L. Ryder, 46, stabbed his wife Louise Ryder, 42, and his 12-year-old daughter Theresa to death during a dispute over his wife's request for a ride to work... According to police, one of the couple's four children ran to a neighbor's house and said that their father had stabbed his mother... The Monroe County SWAT team apparently entered the house an hour or so after their arrival and found Steven Ryder dead, with what appeared to be self-inflicted knife wounds... Police said they also found two weapons - a shotgun and a rifle, both of which were unloaded and had not been fired; and marijuana plants growing in a room in the basement."

10inchadvantage · Jul 29, 2007

Pandora said:
Teen dykes allegedly got high, killed grandparents
Macon Telegraph |
"Kill, keys, money, jewelry. Those words were written as a to-do list on 15-year-old Holly Harvey's arm when she was arrested the day after her grandparents were stabbed to death in their suburban Atlanta home. The girl recruited her 16-year-old lesbian lover to help her kill Carl and Sarah Collier... Harvey stabbed her grandmother first and then struggled with them both before Ketchum emerged from her hiding place to help, said Lt. Col. Bruce Jordan of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department... The girls had smoked marijuana before the killings."

Funny how they try to tie this to marijuana. Let's see how many MILLIONS of stories I can find due to alcohol deaths. If someone is going to kill someone, marijuana is not going to fuel it, if anything, it'll reduce it. Whereas alcohol makes people more aggressive and "trigger happy."

10inchadvantage · Jul 29, 2007

Marijuana does not lead to or influent violent behavior. Alcohol does.

Pandora · Jul 29, 2007

10inchadvantage said:
Funny how they try to tie this to marijuana. Let's see how many MILLIONS of stories I can find due to alcohol deaths. If someone is going to kill someone, marijuana is not going to fuel it, if anything, it'll reduce it. Whereas alcohol makes people more aggressive and "trigger happy."

Yes but that's just your opinion, you do not truly know the answer to this, also neither do I.

Pandora · Jul 29, 2007

10inchadvantage said:
Marijuana does not lead to or influent violent behavior. Alcohol does.

Bullshit, many times Marijuana has made me violent, especially if I did not have any.

10inchadvantage · Jul 29, 2007

Pandora said:
Bullshit, many times Marijuana has made me violent, especially if I did not have any.

Do you have an addictive personality? I have gone for months with no marijuana and nothing changed in my life, except I didn't smoke anything. No withdrawls, nothing.

I guess it boils down to this. Pandora, would you rather keep weed illegal, and have millions of innocent, non-violent, functioning members of society thrown in jail for years next to real tried-and-true violent rapists, killers, gang members, etc? Also, are you willing to give up 10% of your income in order to keep non-violent marijuana consumers locked up, because many of your tax dollars goes to enforce and prosecute these non-violent "crimes." Do you think it's possible for people to responsibly use marijuana, just as people can responsibly use alcohol? I won't bring in tobacco because the users of it have no choice whether or not they are responsible, as it is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Would you like to have lower taxes because the government makes money off taxing a new cash crop, marijuana? Would you like to be able to eat cannabis seeds, which are arguably the most wholly nutritious seed known to man? Would you like to end our dependence on foreign oil by fueling our cars with hemp-powered fuels? These are a few of the questions people should ask themselves when they wonder about legalization of cannabis.

Pandora · Jul 29, 2007

10inchadvantage said:
Do you have an addictive personality? I have gone for months with no marijuana and nothing changed in my life, except I didn't smoke anything. No withdrawls, nothing.

I guess it boils down to this. Pandora, would you rather keep weed illegal, and have millions of innocent, non-violent, functioning members of society thrown in jail for years next to real tried-and-true violent rapists, killers, gang members, etc? Also, are you willing to give up 10% of your income in order to keep non-violent marijuana consumers locked up, because many of your tax dollars goes to enforce and prosecute these non-violent "crimes." Do you think it's possible for people to responsibly use marijuana, just as people can responsibly use alcohol? I won't bring in tobacco because the users of it have no choice whether or not they are responsible, as it is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Would you like to have lower taxes because the government makes money off taxing a new cash crop, marijuana? Would you like to be able to eat cannabis seeds, which are arguably the most wholly nutritious seed known to man? Would you like to end our dependence on foreign oil by fueling our cars with hemp-powered fuels? These are a few of the questions people should ask themselves when they wonder about legalization of cannabis.

You speak of all these things that sound very persuasive, but why is it still not legal then, because one thing that I have no doubt about is that weed does cause some kind of Psychosis effect on a the human brain, try going 5 years or so without it, and watch the behavior patterns of people around you who still smoke it, and then see if you still feel the same about.

Or forget that, I know from first hand experience of really abusing the drug, of what Psychosis effects it can have, which is still with me in some way to this very day, whether that is a good or bad thing I don't know. lol

stridge · Jul 29, 2007

I can't tell if Pandora is being serious or not, but in the event that he is, I'd say 10inch is far more correct in his arguments.

The physiological facts are that there is no lethal toxicity level of THC saturation in humans - you can't do immediate harm to yourself smoking pot. On the other hand, thousands of people in the US alone drink themselves to death every year. A person of low bodyweight or tolerance can drink themselves to death in 15 minutes with a cheap bottle of vodka. One study often cited involved reserachers injecting rats with a chemically enriched THC formula that would have been the equal of a human consuming the THC content of several hundred joints, all at once. The rats passed out and slept soundly for about a day, came to, and had no adverse health effects whatsoever. Try to imagine what would happen if you intravenously exposed a rat to the proportional equal of a human consuming even a hundred beers or shots of liquor. Actually, you don't need to imagine, because I can assure you that the result would be instant death. So, there's one plus for pot.

Secondly, no study (and there have been many) has shown that marijuana and THC create a chemical dependency in the human body. Mental and social dependency, just as with any other substance, but you do not develop a cellular need for the substance. Alcohol, on the hand once again, is physically addictive and can literally rewire the brain and organ function of a drunk so that they must have the substance to function normally. Another plus for pot.

Essentially, the risk associated with smoking pot in terms of health is related to long-term heavy usage possibly altering memory and certain cognitive function - which is still a fairly unknown realm of research. Also, just like smoking tobacco, marijuana contains tar, carbon, and carinogenic compounds that probably aren't too great for you. This is, however, small potatoes compared to the severe health problems that alcohol fosters in its abusers. Regular heavy drinking is directly linked to such a large number of chronic illnesses and health disorders that I won't even bother listing them. Pot, on the other hand, has been hailed by medical researchers and practical experience for its medicinal effects and ability to aid those suffering from afflictions ranging from cancer to glaucoma to chronic pain.

Also, Pandora, the example about the guy going berserck on his family - just because he was growing pot doesn't mean he was under the influence of marijuana or that had anything to do with his violent and insane behavior. You're taking an example of association and assuming it to be causation. He could have been on other drugs, had a long history of mental illness and violence, etc, but suggesting that the fact that he had pot plants around is somehow directly linked to the brutal slaughter of his family is beyond a far stretch of logic.

Frankly, I don't understand how anybody could seriously make the argument that pot is somehow more 'dangerous' or 'risky' than booze, especially considering the the poor judgement and aggressive behavior that alcohol has been proven to insitigate in many individuals, especially at high levels of consumption.

That being said, I still prefer drinking.

Pandora · Jul 30, 2007

stridge said:
I can't tell if Pandora is being serious or not, but in the event that he is, I'd say 10inch is far more correct in his arguments.

The physiological facts are that there is no lethal toxicity level of THC saturation in humans - you can't do immediate harm to yourself smoking pot. On the other hand, thousands of people in the US alone drink themselves to death every year. A person of low bodyweight or tolerance can drink themselves to death in 15 minutes with a cheap bottle of vodka. One study often cited involved reserachers injecting rats with a chemically enriched THC formula that would have been the equal of a human consuming the THC content of several hundred joints, all at once. The rats passed out and slept soundly for about a day, came to, and had no adverse health effects whatsoever. Try to imagine what would happen if you intravenously exposed a rat to the proportional equal of a human consuming even a hundred beers or shots of liquor. Actually, you don't need to imagine, because I can assure you that the result would be instant death. So, there's one plus for pot.

Secondly, no study (and there have been many) has shown that marijuana and THC create a chemical dependency in the human body. Mental and social dependency, just as with any other substance, but you do not develop a cellular need for the substance. Alcohol, on the hand once again, is physically addictive and can literally rewire the brain and organ function of a drunk so that they must have the substance to function normally. Another plus for pot.

Essentially, the risk associated with smoking pot in terms of health is related to long-term heavy usage possibly altering memory and certain cognitive function - which is still a fairly unknown realm of research. Also, just like smoking tobacco, marijuana contains tar, carbon, and carinogenic compounds that probably aren't too great for you. This is, however, small potatoes compared to the severe health problems that alcohol fosters in its abusers. Regular heavy drinking is directly linked to such a large number of chronic illnesses and health disorders that I won't even bother listing them. Pot, on the other hand, has been hailed by medical researchers and practical experience for its medicinal effects and ability to aid those suffering from afflictions ranging from cancer to glaucoma to chronic pain.

Also, Pandora, the example about the guy going berserck on his family - just because he was growing pot doesn't mean he was under the influence of marijuana or that had anything to do with his violent and insane behavior. You're taking an example of association and assuming it to be causation. He could have been on other drugs, had a long history of mental illness and violence, etc, but suggesting that the fact that he had pot plants around is somehow directly linked to the brutal slaughter of his family is beyond a far stretch of logic.

Frankly, I don't understand how anybody could seriously make the argument that pot is somehow more 'dangerous' or 'risky' than booze, especially considering the the poor judgement and aggressive behavior that alcohol has been proven to insitigate in many individuals, especially at high levels of consumption.

That being said, I still prefer drinking.

I feel that, their has not been a good enough study on the Psychosis effects is could possible have on a human.

What a discussing anyway, I tell you I don't know where I even get this stuff from some day lol.

10inchadvantage · Jul 30, 2007

Pandora said:
You speak of all these things that sound very persuasive, but why is it still not legal then, because one thing that I have no doubt about is that weed does cause some kind of Psychosis effect on a the human brain, try going 5 years or so without it, and watch the behavior patterns of people around you who still smoke it, and then see if you still feel the same about.

Or forget that, I know from first hand experience of really abusing the drug, of what Psychosis effects it can have, which is still with me in some way to this very day, whether that is a good or bad thing I don't know. lol

I was around friends who started experimenting with cannabis at the age of 13. I never smoked until I was almost 18, so I have seen how people react under the influence of marijuana with my "pure" view. I was scarred of marijuana until I saw my friend do it when he was in middle school. I was expecting him to start going crazy or something. Instead, he was very relaxed and he had calmed down a lot (ADD stuff). I couldn't believe it! He actually could function normally as if he hadn't smoked! Whereas when I saw people that were drunk they were violent and couldn't control themselves. I was pro marijuana long before I ever smoked it myself.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with the "weed does cause some kind of psychosis." Sorry, but I really have no clue what you're talking about. If you met me, or any of my other friends, you'd have no proof or question into whether they smoke weed. Of course, my friends are well-educated, motivated college students. Pandora, marijuana does NOT cause psychosis in people who are not pre-disposed to it. Even, using these 40% figures, it is still no problem. Here's some math for you:

1 in 100 people (approx) suffer from psychosis. That's 1% of the population.

Let's add in this supposed (not proven to cause psychosis before it has naturally occured) 40% figure for marijuana: That's 1 + 40%(1) = 1.40

Now, let's look at my limited research into alcohol psychosis: According to eMedicine - Alcohol-Related Psychosis : Article by Michael Larson, DO : "Roughly 3% of persons with alcoholism experience psychosis during acute intoxication or withdrawal." I have no idea how many alcoholics there are.

The funny thing is that, while marijuana usage has significantly increased, the psychotic population has not. Therefore, all this 40% study suggests is that now 40% of psychotic people are using cannabis. Note, cannabis did NOT cause psychosis in those people who did not already have it!

Honestly Pandora, if you were having some type of psychosis, which you lead me to believe, you might have a very serious mental disorder that needs to be addressed.

And why is it not legal yet? Because of people who fear and toss out the truth. Many-a-lie is spread about cannabis, all unscientifically based.

longstretch · Jul 30, 2007

Alcholism runs in my family and recently my brother has become one. He would also mix it with pills like zanax. I've seen him go through a lot of shit and cause a lot of serious problems within our huge family (I'm 1 in 8 kids). And this past week a distant cousin of mine got drunk and took some zanax's and then shot himself through the chest with a shotgun.

Now my brother has done pot since he was in middle school...however he has also been a trouble maker and lived life on the edge. He might be addicted to adrenaline or something is my hypothesis. He has done a lot of light and heavy drugs. Now according to this "research" he might be another statistic even though it is his own stupid self-indulgence and personality that lead him to getting high and drunk. He went to the doctor and told him everything. About the pot, the drinking, the smoking, and all the other drugs he has taken. The doctor told him that it was drininking not pot thats gonna kill him. Prohibition didn't work so why is the ban on a much milder drug working...racism and money.

I've known very normal, hard-working people who have done pot for a long time with no adverse side-effects. As with any drug the use of pot can get out of control but pot is not physically addictive so as long as you make sure your not smoking everyday and getting behind in the times I don't think its a big deal. I've taken a two month break and when college was in and I was doing it I only at night before I went to bed and only after I got my schoolwork done. Its very possible to be dedicated, smart and use pot to relax every now and then.

I can just smell the bias in a story like this report. I mean comeon people were basically saying "we don't know for sure....blah, blah, blah, but lets make sure to prove it true." Not to mention the disclaimer at the end of the story. I mean I believe maybe we should try to find causes of psychosis but this is missreporting. Even if marjuana does bring psychosis out...in what 800 people it only brings it out sooner than it would have. But this is a high maybe because there is no evidence that pot causes permanent damage to the brain.

qkeyboard · Jul 30, 2007

I don't really have much to throw in to this thread because I don't smoke anything, nor do I necessarily want weed to be legalized because of those who would abuse it. I know, people abuse everything, blah blah blah.

"Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist."

If the government, scientists, etc truly think this stuff is bad, is this really evil propaganda like DLD said? If that's how it is, then every single news is propaganda. I suppose some might believe that, but people will always have intentions. I for one don't really like popular news. For some reason I don't think anti-weed people are trying to ruin your lives though. I don't see why an article with scientific backing is somehow an evil plot.

Pandora · Aug 6, 2007

doublelongdaddy said:
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pnoewbe · Aug 7, 2007

Coca is a plant that can be chewed. Cocaine is taken out of coca leaves with jet fuel and acetone. Petroleum and acetone cannot be grown organically.

PCP is not marijuana. Apples and oranges, guilt by association, irrelevent.

Should eating should be against the law if feeling tired due to food allergies is sure to happen to a lot of people?

Most psychopaths will try marijuana, glue and gasoline sniffing, OxyContin, meth, and beating their heads against walls, driving cars, reading books. Guilt by association is not logical.

I prefer not to alter myself with substances but I believe marijuana was outlawed by those desiring a monopoly on hemp for rope(think Navy contracts). They put small and medium hemp growers out of business by passing a law. Hemp is also the best source of oil for bio-diesel.

The Reefer Madness movie was on TV last month. I saw it for the first time. Ridiculous propaganda from the hemp(rope) monopoly.

pnoewbe · Aug 7, 2007

The propaganda used to say that marijuana causes impotence via estrogen dominance and vitamin C depletion. They just pull phrases out of the air to serve an agenda. How about premature ejaculation? Sounds good, print it, get paid.

10inchadvantage · Aug 7, 2007

pnoewbe said:
The propaganda used to say that marijuana causes impotence via estrogen dominance and vitamin C depletion. They just pull phrases out of the air to serve an agenda. How about premature ejaculation? Sounds good, print it, get paid.

Fuck, more like ejaculate whenever you want!

stridge · Aug 7, 2007

I actually rememeber during my own k-12 education (which wasn't too long ago) strongly implied that smoking weed could heavily boost your estrogen levels and cause you to grow breasts. Also, the whole "gateway drug" theory was really hyped. They essentially made it sound as if we were all just a few blunts away from laying in a gutter somewhere jonsing for our net syringe full of black tar heroin.

10inchadvantage · Aug 7, 2007

stridge said:
I actually rememeber during my own k-12 education (which wasn't too long ago) strongly implied that smoking weed could heavily boost your estrogen levels and cause you to grow breasts. Also, the whole "gateway drug" theory was really hyped. They essentially made it sound as if we were all just a few blunts away from laying in a gutter somewhere jonsing for our net syringe full of black tar heroin.

They made us think that there was just one category of "drug users." Where that one group just did any and every drug available to them. Like true junkies.

In the 1930 we were victims of propaganda...it is 2007???

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