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ChrisViMax · Dec 10, 2004

Hello all -
I am finally done moving into my new place and got all my internet wires done and such.
I have been notified some of you gotten confussed with our product. Yes it is a JES extender but we have the rights to sell it as the ViMax Extender

Sorry if there was any confussion.
If you hvae any quesitons feel free to ask or PM Me ... I prefeer pm's as they are way easier to manage then these forums

Chris

DLD · Dec 10, 2004

Welcome Back! How is the new crib?

AlloyCG · Dec 10, 2004

PM's may be easier to manage, but by posting in the forums you may avoid being asked the same question several times, and by being cross examined you gain integrity with our crowd. You are right, there is a TON of confusion.

For the first question, why not market it as a JES Extender in the first place? I understand you may have the rights, but wouldn't it be easier to market the JES if that's what you are going to send?

TomdW · Dec 10, 2004

Second, why do the clinical trials on the Vimax and Jesextender web sites conflict with each other: http://www.jes-extender.dk/template...?catalog_id=255 and http://www.vimaxextender.com/clinic-results.html . Which is it 2,8cm or inch's? If you read the trials then it is obvious that they are the same ones. I posted this before but got no response. I think I may have indirectly answered your question here AlloyCG and mine I suppose.

ChrisViMax · Dec 11, 2004

AlloyCG said:
PM's may be easier to manage, but by posting in the forums you may avoid being asked the same question several times, and by being cross examined you gain integrity with our crowd. You are right, there is a TON of confusion.

For the first question, why not market it as a JES Extender in the first place? I understand you may have the rights, but wouldn't it be easier to market the JES if that's what you are going to send?

We have a whole line of products that we have used the Name ViMax with and we just wanted to keep with that name

We never hid the fact that it was a jes extender as on our site it states the doctors name.
It was just a branding thing for us

TomdW : The Offical jes extender page has not been updated in ages as far as I know

DlD: Great to beat in the new place. I hate moving lol

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

I checked out the study data... it's two different studies with logically different results. Have you always owned both JES and Vimax?

TomdW · Dec 11, 2004

What would the page being updated have to do with it? Wouldn't it be so that the original quoted results were the correct ones and the results posted after that were modified? How would it occur that the results were posted firstly on the jes page wrongly then later on the vimax page correctly? Was it an initial mistake on the jes page or were the results modified when the stretcher was re-marketed as the vimax to make the gains appear better. These are the only two possibilities that I can think of as it is impossible to do the exact same study twice at different times which is one of two alternatives that could lead you to need to 'update' the jes site. The other is that you did an extremely similar study which resulted in exactly the same measurements as in the first study but in inch's instead of in cm's. Both sound fishy. Any further explaination available?

Chasing8 · Dec 11, 2004

AlloyCG said:
I checked out the study data... it's two different studies with logically different results. Have you always owned both JES and Vimax?

REALLY?

JES site:
The average result of Jes-Extender treatment was an increase in erect length of 2,8 cm (1.1 Inch) after 1100 hours at 1200 g traction force. The corresponding flaccid increase is 1,9 cm or 0.75 inch.

Viamax site:
The average result of treatment with Vimax Extender was an increase in erect length of 2,8 inches after 1100 hours (12-14 weeks) at 1200 g traction force. The corresponding flaccid increase is 1,9 inches.

Not yet updated? WTF???

It could just be an oversite. If so, I am sure they will rush to fix it but if it is not fixed soon, one really has to wonder...

TomdW · Dec 11, 2004

AlloyCG said:
I checked out the study data... it's two different studies with logically different results. Have you always owned both JES and Vimax?

Still don't get it though. Let me get this straight. They had the exact same amount of participants, with the exact same age range, with the exact same pressure applied for the exact same amount of time and the exact same results to the decimal point (2,8 corresponding to 1,9) but the only difference was that the first one was cm's and the second was in inch's. Very, very similar studies.

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

From Vimax:

The undersigned, Jorn Ege Siana, M.D., Specialist in General and Plastic Surgery, has developed and tested The Vimax Extender as described above.

From JES:

Testet by
X NATIONAL CONGRESS OF THE SPANISH ASSOCIATION OF ANDROLOGY
(ASOCIACIÓN ESPAÑOLA DE ANDROLOGÌA - ASESA)
March 28, 29 and 30, 2001, Alicante (SPAIN)
Report Title
TREATMENT OF Penis EnlargementYRONIE´S DISEASE
VIA MECHANICAL TRACTION, JES EXTENDER®
A prospective study in 26 males

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

It's natural to have the same study replicated... but if they are run by the same person - why not have just posted one on both sites? To further draw a line between the two products?

I just want to know why run both companies, market them similarly AND differently, ask different prices, send the opposite of what you are marketing...

I'd also like to follow up on those studies and see if they are real and if the experimental procedures and results are exactly what they are advertised to be.

Further, the JES page hasn't been updated AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? And you, Mr. Vimax, have the rights to their products?

TomdW · Dec 11, 2004

Yep, wierd. So they were very similar studies indeed with very similar results. Still the fact that it is 2,8 in both seems a bit dubious. I just wish that chris could explain some of this.

Chasing8 · Dec 11, 2004

AlloyCG said:
It's natural to have the same study replicated... but if they are run by the same person - why not have just posted one on both sites? To further draw a line between the two products?

Come on Alloy, look at my post above. There is no way that those are two different studies. It is completely fucking impossible!

Also, oddly enough, there ain't no mention of that study on puBathmateed and they list EVERYTHING that gets published. If they could have published it they would and if they couldn't one really has to wonder if it ever even took place.

And no, it was not refused publication because it was a Penis Enlargement study.

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

Oh guys, I'm with you. But part of the experimental procedure is designing a study that can, and should, be replicated. This could be the case.

Granted, I think this is shady as fuck, but I don't want to go on rants about things that are easily explainable.

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

By the way, I edited that post after you guys responded... I added a few things.

TomdW · Dec 11, 2004

Bigbadbison said:
Come on Alloy, look at my post above. There is no way that those are two different studies. It is completely fucking impossible!

Also, oddly enough, there ain't no mention of that study on puBathmateed and they list EVERYTHING that gets published. If they could have published it they would and if they couldn't one really has to wonder if it ever even took place.

And no, it was not refused publication because it was a Penis Enlargement study.

The plot thickens. I think really we need to take this all with a pinch of salt. It doesn't change the quality of the product at all and we have a very reliable mod (stillwantmore) thoughouly testing it out. His opinion will mean more to me than either of these questionable studies.

AlloyCG · Dec 11, 2004

TomdW said:
The plot thickens. I think really we need to take this all with a pinch of salt. It doesn't change the quality of the product at all and we have a very reliable mod (stillwantmore) thoughouly testing it out. His opinion will mean more to me than either of these questionable studies.

Ahhh come on guy. SWM is reliable, sure - but statistically that is a horrible argument. A single person doing an experiment is hardly generalizable to the public. On the other hand, a well performed study is MORE generalizable. If these studies were in fact published, put before a board of experts, and replicated I would value them much more than SWM's conclusions due to confounding variables and lack of control variables.

TomdW · Dec 11, 2004

Yeah you are right, for the public the studies if genuine would probably be more useful but for me and probably many others on this site we have a lot of experience wrapping and hanging and therefore we would probably have more in common with SWM. + general Penis Enlargement has got to add a certain muscular preparedness to our penis' in relation to this device. In other words maybe some of the control variables that were present in the clinical trials would not be applicable to us Penis Enlargement'ers. Either way personally I will pay more attention to results that come from reliable members of this site.

ChrisViMax · Dec 11, 2004

Bigbadbison said:
REALLY?

JES site:
The average result of Jes-Extender treatment was an increase in erect length of 2,8 cm (1.1 Inch) after 1100 hours at 1200 g traction force. The corresponding flaccid increase is 1,9 cm or 0.75 inch.

Viamax site:
The average result of treatment with Vimax Extender was an increase in erect length of 2,8 inches after 1100 hours (12-14 weeks) at 1200 g traction force. The corresponding flaccid increase is 1,9 inches.

Not yet updated? WTF???

It could just be an oversite. If so, I am sure they will rush to fix it but if it is not fixed soon, one really has to wonder...

We are having it looked into. As it may be a typo but I am not sure. I do not run that side of this.

ChrisViMax · Dec 11, 2004

AlloyCG said:
It's natural to have the same study replicated... but if they are run by the same person - why not have just posted one on both sites? To further draw a line between the two products?

I just want to know why run both companies, market them similarly AND differently, ask different prices, send the opposite of what you are marketing...

I'd also like to follow up on those studies and see if they are real and if the experimental procedures and results are exactly what they are advertised to be.

Further, the JES page hasn't been updated AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? And you, Mr. Vimax, have the rights to their products?

Kinda hard to explain to you what we are doing when you are no in the biz we are in.

We do not OWN Jes ... We have rights to RESELL the product under our name.

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