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Okey! So as you maybe have recognized i don't just do my exercises, measure increases, smile and go on with the day.
I like to study what is happening, and how & why the increases occur.

One of the current things i am focusing on is the fluid retention. And what i have heard & learn is that fluid retention appears as something some people claim to be "temporary" expansion.
If i got it right, fluid retentions are supposed to be very soft and smooth, just like a soft layer covering the real penis making it appear larger, right? But what gets on my mind is that people usually
also claims that after the bathmate usage they tend to satisfy their partner even more with their new temporary size. This makes me think, how does the vagina really work when it comes to penetration?

I thought the sensation of a bigger penis is when your vagina stretches further because of a hard enough surface on the penis is pushing on the vaginal walls. If the fluid retentions is "soft" layer, how does it make her feel
the sensation of a bigger penis? It's already explained better EQ will increase sensation for the girl. And i believe this is due to a "harder" penis, which will both increase the poking pressure by the glans & the vaginal stretch pleasure.

Can someone explain to me how the process actually works. The most important goal to me is to have a penis big/good enough to really satisfy the average woman, without me having to worry about it. If they think about me i want them to think: "At least he has a big penis". How big it looks is not as important as how big it feels. Because if my penis actually GETS bigger i asume the size of it will appear bigger too ;) So the most important thing to me is the sensation and be considered to have a big penis by the majority of girls. This is why i ask all this.

Thanks!
 
I thought the sensation of a bigger penis is when your vagina stretches further because of a hard enough surface on the penis is pushing on the vaginal walls. If the fluid retentions is "soft" layer, how does it make her feel the sensation of a bigger penis?

That situation works because there is an inner structure to the penis which has (hopefully) filled and valved and become rigid ..

see ..
Penises as variable-volume hydrostatic skeletons. - PubMed - NCBI
and more in (pun not intended) lay-man's terms ..
https://www.ted.com/talks/diane_kelly_what_we_didn_t_know_about_penis_anatomy/transcript?language=en

The tumesced rigid core of the erect penis is what's doing the penetration. If the entire penis was soft it wouldn't really be capable of much penetration, and essentially no real 'sex' no matter how large or small.

The softer exterior of fluid retention is being pressed inside .. carried along .. by the rigid erect core.

.. I mean, ya know, .. duh, .. but building up to another point ...

And, once inside, the softer fluid retention, .. even though it, .. itself, ... is soft, .. it nonetheless represents in increase in Diameter, and therefore an increase in Volume (see Visualizer), and therefore an increase in Displacement .. and all of that causes an increase in the chick's feelings of 'Fullness'.

Which, aside from activation and co-activation of spots of higher enervation of her Sacral and Pudendal nerve pathways (re: orgasms) .. 'Fullness' is the main thing that most vagina's (or more particularly most chick's untrained vague vaginas) really feel.

Even though the fluid retention is objectively 'squishier' than a completely rock solid dick, fluids are considered to be incompressable.

When you press on any particular part of a fluid retentive penis, it seems squishier (which, in real terms it is) because the area you're pressing on moves away from the force being applied to it and goes off to sides or etc.

But when that same squishier-surfaced penis is inside the vagina, enveloped on all sides by the vaginal walls, the fluid doesn't have as many options as where it can deflect off to, and .. fluids (for all intents) being incompressible .. when the squishy dick is inside the vagina it's going to behave more like a solid one that you might expect.

Having said all of that, chicks also seem to claim to be able to tell how hard (percentage-wise, at least as far as EQ) that the dick is, .. and to really be (enthusiastically, emotionally) into that feeling, or idea, in a way that is expressed as a preference over what could be the only comparison .. a softer (or lower EQ) dick.

So, as Volume and Displacement, yeah a dick with a softer fluid retention surface will spread her a bit further apart and fill her up a bit more than the same penis without all the extra puffy, .. and they like the feeling of fullness ..

.. but they also say they like it really rock hard too. So the 'perfect answer' is probably different for any particular girl (and even the same girl across different times of the month) as to what they respond to best as the 'perfect' length x width / hardness / volume , but now I'm getting OT ..

The most important goal to me is to have a penis big/good enough to really satisfy the average woman, without me having to worry about it. If they think about me i want them to think: "At least he has a big penis". How big it looks is not as important as how big it feels. Because if my penis actually GETS bigger i asume the size of it will appear bigger too So the most important thing to me is the sensation and be considered to have a big penis by the majority of girls

There's a lot of area between "really satisfy the average woman" .. and .. "If they think about me i want them to think: "At least he has a big penis" ..

To really satisfy, like eff their brains out where they're cum drunk ('dizzy/intoxicated/sleepy from having experienced exceptional orgasms') that can be done with a 'pretty good' penis and great technique. That is to say, it's accomplishable without a general consensus that the person is Big.

I only make that distinction because what it leaves you with is just the definite aesthetic goal that what you're after is the sizerange where chicks (that aren't Liars) would all agree that your size is 'Big'.

Since many guys exaggerate about their size, and chicks can't really judge the size or distance (or even left/right) of things very well .. [although I think they might be getting better at that, as far as penis sizes] and the modern ���� industry is built upon trick camera lenses and size exaggeration, then the stats you'll find that chicks consider to be Big in real life tend to be less/closer/smaller than the classical PE goal, easy to reach, easy to have, with just some good technique and dedication.
 
Asanon;698521 said:
And, once inside, the softer fluid retention, .. even though it, .. itself, ... is soft, .. it nonetheless represents in increase in Diameter, and therefore an increase in Volume (see Visualizer), and therefore an increase in Displacement .. and all of that causes an increase in the chick's feelings of 'Fullness'.

It's also an increase in surface area meaning there is more skin to vag wall contact which translates to more nerve stimulation.
 
Interesting reply, thank you! :)

But i just had to ask some follow-up questions & debate.

I have thought about what you say, that the fluid retention when compressed will move along the shaft, as i have already seen it with my own eyes. Lets say i push my penis into a toilet roll.
I can see that when i push it in the skin/fluid retention on my shaft pulls back towards the base on my penis, making all slack skin etc stay on the base, making the base appear and act larger.
But i thought as a vagina is not a static toilet roll, and instead accommodates, and the "skin/fluid retention" spread is balanced inside the vagina. The fluid retention isn't still rigid. I thought the rigid tunica was going to be the part
that stretches the vagina and gives fullness. And what role does the CS part play? As the CS is usually soft and not hard aswell. I have also seen my CS expand and get rigid towards the base as i push my penis inside the toilet roll, making
the base bigger as the blood is being pushed down the base as the toilet roll is static, it has no else to go. But the vagina, i thought because of the accommodation it will spread balanced and let the fluid retention stay in place and not give any
effect of fullness.

Can you explain the example of sensation a vagina would feel and the difference if you take a 5 girth rigid pure tunica expansion compared to a 4.3 rigid tunica, but 5.5 overall girth because of fluid retention/skin?

I have to know these stuffs as it is more important to me to give the feeling of sensation to the female. And just because of this i have started to measure differently, i have started to push the measuring tape to the hard rigid part, and i see a lot of people measure
softly just around the circumference and add their fluid retention to their measurements. Some people want their penis to visually look bigger, but i care about it to internally feel bigger. I also am afraid of fluid retention at the moment, i don't know if i should be. And this makes me think that first there is EQ gains, which fills your chambers and make the tunica as rigid as it gets, and this can not expand further than your genetics has already decide for you. So what happens next is that you start to add fluid retention above the tunica to keep improve your size. But the question is how usable they are compared to if you would expand the rigid tunica further.
 
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So basically.. You say there is more surface and such that adds to sensation for the vagina.
But does it compare to a rigid tunica expansion?

5 girth pure rigid tunica expansion 10/10 EQ, skin thin as onion skin. Compared to a 4.3 girth pure rigid tunica expansion 10/10 EQ, but with added fluid retention and more elastic skin which makes the penis 5.5 around with measuring tape.

What is best and what is the difference? ;) I'm trying to say.. A PE-penis doesn't perhaps work like a non-PE penis.
 
lol I can't help to laugh at the name of this thread :)

How does the vagina work? Like an inside out cock:)
 
doublelongdaddy;698564 said:
lol I can't help to laugh at the name of this thread :)

How does the vagina work? Like an inside out cock:)

Why is the name thread funny? ;) This whole site is funny? It basically tells how the penis works.

You don't know the question to what i ask? Read everything, the name of the thread is not the question. Dont be lazy :D
 
habban;698535 said:
Can you explain the example of sensation a vagina would feel and the difference if you take a 5 girth rigid pure tunica expansion compared to a 4.3 rigid tunica, but 5.5 overall girth because of fluid retention/skin?

I have to know these stuffs as it is more important to me to give the feeling of sensation to the female.

EASY experiment for you:

1: Have sex with your lady of choice before pumping
2: Have sex with your lady of choice AFTER pumping
3. Ask her what the difference in sensation to her vagina was

I'm saying this because it's slightly sili asking guys what the sensation of a vagina is and wanting highly detailed info about it with no way of actually measuring or feeling it.

It's fun to know, but it's not something you "must" know in order to have a good time having sex (for you or for the lady)...
 
MaxRichards;698645 said:
EASY experiment for you:

1: Have sex with your lady of choice before pumping
2: Have sex with your lady of choice AFTER pumping
3. Ask her what the difference in sensation to her vagina was

I'm saying this because it's slightly sili asking guys what the sensation of a vagina is and wanting highly detailed info about it with no way of actually measuring or feeling it.

It's fun to know, but it's not something you "must" know in order to have a good time having sex (for you or for the lady)...

I don't have a lady to try it on unfortunately, neither do i get those heavy fluid retention expansions to use either. So i ask for it because some people here are really experienced and has a lot of knowledge.
In the end all i want to know is if fluid retention gains work like real expansion gains when it comes to penetration. Or if i have to rely on my rigid tunica expansion to tell which size i actually can use.
I don't want to be mislead by fluid retention, as it would be false marketing.

I hope you understand why i want to know this now? And i don't find it sili, it's rather sili to pretend like the fluid retention is your new size like many do. I look to be in the real world, and not in a game world :)

And what i mean with sensation is if she feel that it feels bigger/filler & different, i don't want an impossible description of how the sensation itself feels.
 
What do you mean?

Can you answer my questions instead of going off topic?

I guess i should take it as.. Fluid retention will ONLY make your penis look bigger but it will not make the penis feel bigger inside the vagina.

Thank you guys, even though it was hard. :)

I wait for Asanon instead or someone that knows the answer :D
 
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You can pump your cock and then destroy your lady with your giant penis, the prophecy has been fulfilled
 
acromegaly;698651 said:
You can pump your cock and then destroy your lady with your giant penis, the prophecy has been fulfilled

Can you explain more, i know you use to pump your cock with massive fluid retentions. What does your lady says about it? :)
And how do you believe it works?

Because i don't know if i get it actually when asanon means that the fluid retention displaces? :) As i said i believe it could work with a static object, like a toilet roll. But i don't get how it could work
with a dynamic pussy that accommodates.

Also it would be interesting to know anything about the 2 examples i gave you regarding one penis with fluid retention and one with no fluid retention :)
 
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Asanine posts every other year bra xD you're just gonna have to work with his above post for now. Or, :cool:prophesy finished:cool: *illuminati commanded* Who cares bra really it only matters if you have it thick, your wallet that is
 
habban;698652 said:
can you explain more, i know you use to pump your cock with massive fluid retentions. what does your lady says about it? :)
and how do you believ it works?

Because i don't know if i get it actually when asanon means that the fluid retention displaces? :) as i said i believe it could work with a static object, like a toilet roll. But i don't get how it could work
with a dynamic pussy that accommodates.

Also it would be interesting to know anything about the 2 examples i gave you regarding one penis with fluid retention and one with no fluid retention :)
Rofalafel
 
templnite --
Asanine posts every other year bra xD

LOL .. yeah it's getting like that ..

habban --
In the end all i want to know is if fluid retention gains work like real expansion gains when it comes to penetration. Or if i have to rely on my rigid tunica expansion to tell which size i actually can use.
I don't want to be mislead by fluid retention, as it would be false marketing.

I've never pumped. Did pretty much everything else but just never got into it, and the really good pumps like the BMs they make now, iirc, came out after I'd already completed my PE journey.

The main reason that I never did old-style pumping is that its main temporary effect was, in fact, the fluid retention and .. to use your terms .. I considered that as false advertising. And pointless too.

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Apparently they could also cause PE growth stressor/impetus, and provide gains, but they weren't designed as a PE device, and, IMO, when used as one they were by far mostly fluid retention and other techniques and devices gave far quicker/better cementable gains.

The new hotness, the water pumps available today, seem to provide a strong growth stressor for real gains to the core structures .. and just have a potential for fluid retention (and less of it at that) as a side effect.

No single thing though, of any type, is a magic bullet. Always have multiple methods going on that compliment each others effects for pre-fatigue and for growth stressor, hitting different aspects/areas of the structures, for quick real gains.

, it's rather sili to pretend like the fluid retention is new size like many do. I look to be in the real world, and not in a game world

And what i mean with sensation is if she feel that it feels bigger/filler & different,

Agree completely that pumping on a bunch of fluid and acting as if it's real size (ie -- cementable palpable solid gains to the structure itself) is false advertising at best, and delusional at worst.

Having said that, ... that puffy temporary (but indeed extra) size will be carried inside of the vagina by the erect core, and it will cause more displacement of the vaginal interior in a way that is extremely similar to a hard penis of the same larger size.

Vaginas aren't enervated like a (say) fingertip. Speaking of the vagina as (no pun) a whole, rather than of its several zones of higher sensitivity, the vagina's relatively sparse amount of undeveloped nerve endings (for most chicks) can only perceive the 'gist' of things, and so being stretched open more by an object of a larger diameter (for all intents) equals being stretched open more by an object of a larger diameter.

While the fluid retention is temporary extra size, it isn't imaginary extra size, .. it's useable. I think that's a lot of what you were asking. Yeah, it can bring more bang to that vaj than its unswollen persistent core could alone.

But also since the retention itself is a temporary effect, the PE-er should keep honest with themselves as to whether or not what all they're doing is providing them with real gains to their structure .. and not just some ego-boosting brag that would 'evaporate' if they took a few days off.

The modern pump devices like bathmate are capable of good real gains. If I wasn't already beyond my original goals* I'd be using them myself.

(*PE can be like being an artist. Like every artist, every painting, too, is different, .. but at some point that painting, whatever it is, is done. You have to know when to lift the brush.)

So to sum up..

1 Reasonable amounts of fluid retention is, yes, useable for seeming to the vagina as if it is already a larger/girthier penis. (even though it isn't). I can't believe no one thought of this analogy yet .. You can get a similar (or even compounding) effect by wearing a cockring long enough to cause additional fluid size. The added temporary fluid girth might not be as solid as the erect core, but it's girthier nonetheless and it'll fck the beans out of a chick and she'll feel the difference.

2 Hydro pumps made nowadays, when used with other complimentary PE techniques, do give real growth stressors for real structure gains .. not just extra fluid. Don't be afraid to check them out for your tools arsenal if they're within your budget/dedication.
 
habban;698646 said:
I don't have a lady to try it on unfortunately, neither do i get those heavy fluid retention expansions to use either. So i ask for it because some people here are really experienced and has a lot of knowledge.
In the end all i want to know is if fluid retention gains work like real expansion gains when it comes to penetration. Or if i have to rely on my rigid tunica expansion to tell which size i actually can use.
I don't want to be mislead by fluid retention, as it would be false marketing.

I hope you understand why i want to know this now? And i don't find it sili, it's rather sili to pretend like the fluid retention is your new size like many do. I look to be in the real world, and not in a game world :)

And what i mean with sensation is if she feel that it feels bigger/filler & different, i don't want an impossible description of how the sensation itself feels.

Ok, put it this way: I've done the experiment with no pump and post pump sex and yes there is a difference and yes it is felt. More surface area and more size (even if temporary/softer) equals more pleasure.

But really, there's way more to sex than that. I've made women squirt with just two fingers and they are neither as thick or long as my cock so there's no reason to over focus on micro-variations in penis size and firmness in the grand scheme of things.

It's just an additional benefit, not a pre-requisite for a banging time.
 
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You put a quarter in the slot?
 
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