True Life: Im on steroids
Cool, I saw commercials for that this last week, I will definetly tune in.
Has juice made your peace plus Pe grow any faster or larger,
what's your newest states since last june, how long have you been on the stuff. Guess I'll have to wait till tonight to see what's up.
I'll be sure to leave some comments on the next few days, let you know what I thought.
Has juice made your peace plus Pe grow any faster or larger,
what's your newest states since last june, how long have you been on the stuff. Guess I'll have to wait till tonight to see what's up.
I'll be sure to leave some comments on the next few days, let you know what I thought.
Im not on the show if thats what you thought i meant lol, i just think with all the talk about steroids on the forum lately it should be a good show,sweets said:Cool, I saw commercials for that this last week, I will definetly tune in.
Has juice made your peace plus Pe grow any faster or larger,
what's your newest states since last june, how long have you been on the stuff. Guess I'll have to wait till tonight to see what's up.
I'll be sure to leave some comments on the next few days, let you know what I thought.
Im thinking about taking them though need to learn more about them first, my stats are the same i havent been sticking with a routine.
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dee3186 said:
you dont need them...no one does...(well not no one but most people don't)
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dee3186 said:
What does your work out look like? Your diet? most people do reps from like 8-12 and expect to get big, so thats important and so is your diet
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dee3186 said:
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Bench 5x5 Squt 5x5 Deadlift 5x5 Barbell rows 5x5 and you can throw in military press if you want, but thats a lot. your reps should be between 3 and 6 and heavy
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that is some of the funniest shit i have seen in a while
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I hated the model guy because of his comments "yea they need to buy me a new machine" lol the gay guy needs to up his dosage or he got some bad shit or he was never on it and mtv was using him as a tool...and the fighter...well i just didnt like the fighter seemed like he faked his "rage" this was very very very very anti-steroid. I wont use steroids but this shit is so one sided
im2manly said:
You can get big doing 8-12 reps.
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prince Albert said:
if your just starting out, if your just starting out anything will get you big. This guy wants to bulk not cut...8 to 12 reps is more towards cutting then getting big
im2manly said:
Thats one of the biggest myths going,cutting is down to diet and cardio not rep range,regardless of how long you have been training various rep ranges will work,go on any bb forum and look at the routines section and you will see plenty of lads using higher reps to grow.
Higher reps in the exercises like squats and deadlifts will bring big gains, but you have to go very hard, like use a weight you would normally get only 15 reps with and get 5 (as I call them) death reps. It will be more of a cardio workout then you'll care to do. Also, do some grip work, like farmers' walks and bearhug walks and stuff like that.
It's funny that you bring up the old rep range argument. 8-12 reps is an EXCELLENT range if size is your main goal. 6-8 is probably better, but 8-12 is great for smaller movements, and 6-8 is better for compound movements (except squats, IMO).
But interestingly, that Rea guy says that high reps DO INFACT increase fat loss, not only because they burn more calories (compare a 1-rep max workout to a high-rep workout, even if not taken to failure). I suppose the lactic acid buildup increases IGF-1 production in the skeletal muscle...cool.
Seriously, if you can only train twice per week (this is fine) steroids will probably NOT help you very much. The advantage to steroids is that they allow you to train to a point which would normally be overtraining, shifting the balance from what would normally be catabolic (overtraining-induced catabolism) to anabolic. If you are only working out twice per week, you are not taking advantage of this new environment. I'm certain you would get better results than w/o steroids, but you would be wasting a lot of their potential (unless you train like Mariusz Pudzianowski).
I believe in order to use steroids, you should have a good 3 years of HARDCORE natural bodybuilding, with a perfect diet and training (be honest!). 3 years isn't set in stone, it should be where you reach a plateau and can no longer make reasonable gains from all the creatine, whey, dextrose, liver, and red meat in the world. This is of course just my opinion though. I have witnessed (and experienced) incredible gains from creatine alone (along with good diet, high calories, proper supplementation, etc.) but no steroids or prohormones. I'm talking 30 pounds in a year of pure lean mass (and definite fat loss as well!!), 2" on the arms, 4" on the chest, and nice strength gains. Personally, my favorite supplements are:
dessicated liver
whey
dextrose
ribose
sodium phosphate
creatine monohydrate
multi vitamin (high B)
vitamin C
glutamine
flax oil
Eat plenty of red meat. This can't be stressed enough! Eat about 2g of protein/lb bodyweight, about 110g fat, and atleast an equal amount of carbs as protein, preferably twice as much.
My best results came from training legs once per week (very hard)
calfs, abs, biceps, triceps and grip three times per week
chest and back twice per week
total workout of about 60-90 minutes and 4 times weekly (NO "cardio" unless cutting!! but the farmer's walk will still kick your ass!!!)
Get that huge whey, creatine, dextrose, ribose, etc shake in soon after your workout (within 30 minutes).
I dunno, this was probably too much info, but if you want any more, I'd happily give it to you.
It's funny that you bring up the old rep range argument. 8-12 reps is an EXCELLENT range if size is your main goal. 6-8 is probably better, but 8-12 is great for smaller movements, and 6-8 is better for compound movements (except squats, IMO).
But interestingly, that Rea guy says that high reps DO INFACT increase fat loss, not only because they burn more calories (compare a 1-rep max workout to a high-rep workout, even if not taken to failure). I suppose the lactic acid buildup increases IGF-1 production in the skeletal muscle...cool.
Seriously, if you can only train twice per week (this is fine) steroids will probably NOT help you very much. The advantage to steroids is that they allow you to train to a point which would normally be overtraining, shifting the balance from what would normally be catabolic (overtraining-induced catabolism) to anabolic. If you are only working out twice per week, you are not taking advantage of this new environment. I'm certain you would get better results than w/o steroids, but you would be wasting a lot of their potential (unless you train like Mariusz Pudzianowski).
I believe in order to use steroids, you should have a good 3 years of HARDCORE natural bodybuilding, with a perfect diet and training (be honest!). 3 years isn't set in stone, it should be where you reach a plateau and can no longer make reasonable gains from all the creatine, whey, dextrose, liver, and red meat in the world. This is of course just my opinion though. I have witnessed (and experienced) incredible gains from creatine alone (along with good diet, high calories, proper supplementation, etc.) but no steroids or prohormones. I'm talking 30 pounds in a year of pure lean mass (and definite fat loss as well!!), 2" on the arms, 4" on the chest, and nice strength gains. Personally, my favorite supplements are:
dessicated liver
whey
dextrose
ribose
sodium phosphate
creatine monohydrate
multi vitamin (high B)
vitamin C
glutamine
flax oil
Eat plenty of red meat. This can't be stressed enough! Eat about 2g of protein/lb bodyweight, about 110g fat, and atleast an equal amount of carbs as protein, preferably twice as much.
My best results came from training legs once per week (very hard)
calfs, abs, biceps, triceps and grip three times per week
chest and back twice per week
total workout of about 60-90 minutes and 4 times weekly (NO "cardio" unless cutting!! but the farmer's walk will still kick your ass!!!)
Get that huge whey, creatine, dextrose, ribose, etc shake in soon after your workout (within 30 minutes).
I dunno, this was probably too much info, but if you want any more, I'd happily give it to you.
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prince Albert said:
I was only talking about the workout part not the cardio or diet part which are most important. To think if you do 225 for 10 reps is gonna get you bigger then if you do 280 for 3 reps is just crazy...you dont train to run a marathon by doing sprints. Listen man If you want to get big keep the reps low and the weights high...best bet for range of 3-6 possibly singles and doubles once you have gotten more comfortable with it and time comes to cycle your workou
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lol this rep range questions reminds me of all the people i see in the gym....the skinny kid whos mad that hes been lifting for months and hes been doing reps of 10 to 12 and he wants to know why hes not gaining more wieght or getting wider or getting bigger in general...and then the big heavier kids wonder why they arent more defined when they ar doing 3 to 5 reps. You can say what you want, you can bring up what every juiced up expert and thats your opinion fine. But I am natural lifted for about 5 years, im only 19 and i can guarantee that I am bigger then most people on this forum and many forums for that matter...people make working out much more complicated then it needs to be..
Yeah you right because i was the skinny guy doing 10-12 reps because a big ripped guy told me thats what he do, but when i do low reps i dont gain either because the heavy weight after a while would make me strain myself and get injured, so now ive been tryin a new technique some one told me about 3-6 reps but with a weight that i can do the reps slow pulse at the top and hold for 3 seconds without straining to were i lose my form.im2manly said:
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dee3186 said:
I didn't mean to offend, bro my bad. But yea 3-6 reps of controlled lifting is best. MWF is hard as hell, but very good. I was just saying Fat kids wonder why they aren't cut, and skinny kids wonder why they arent big...i was just saying their is truth between high rep verus low rep different type of muscle fibers are formed and differnet muscle spindles are activated. Man I gotta find my Human physiology notes...
im2manly said:
When i first started training 13 years ago i followed the abbreviated super squats routine for two years solid,3x12 bench 3x15 bentover row and 1x20 rep rest pause squat,3x a week dropping to 2x a week once pondages became hard,used to follow this routine for up to 18 weeks when poundages dried up,then onto the same exerciseS for 5x5,alternating between the two routines when poundages plateaued,went from 9stone 7 up to 13 stone 12,best squat for 20 reps was just over 330lb,for 5x5 i managed 375lb,of the two the 20 reps produced the most growth and was also much harder than the lower reps.
Try reading up on tom platz training style,he used to do mainly low rep powerlifting style workouts,he switched over to high rep squatting 30-50 reps in the hope it would add cuts to his legs,instead it caused his legs to balloon up in size.
Low reps work and so do high reps,ive tried very low and very high over the years and got results from both.
You mention skinny lads doing high reps but there are just as many skinny lads doing low reps,if someone is sticking to the big basic movements for whatever rep range and not gaining weight then it is more than likely down to diet.
You say you are a big guy,what are your stats and how much have you gained since you started lifting?
I'm not that big only 15stone 8 at 5'8 but i have managed to add 6 stone since i started training,so i believe i have a good idea of what produces gains.
I don't agree that high reps are worse than low reps for building up muscle. High reps are great for bulking.
I've just watched three BB video's, 2 by Ron Coleman and 1 by Dorian Yates. In those they are both training for bulk and are both doing high reps. Apart from occasionally doing lower reps in their warm up sets.
What I generally do now is:
1 low rep (6) set with low weight as a warm up.
1 medium weight set for about 8 reps not quite to failure.
1 heavy set for 8 reps or beyond if possible to absolute failure
1 mega heavy set for 3 or so reps to 'Oh, shit I'm going to die!' failure.
I apply this formula to pretty much every exercise I do and I try to do at least 2 exercises per body part.
As far as I can see bulking is pretty simple. Train to absolute failure and beyond of every body part once per week using more than one exercise and eat a shit load of food.
I've just watched three BB video's, 2 by Ron Coleman and 1 by Dorian Yates. In those they are both training for bulk and are both doing high reps. Apart from occasionally doing lower reps in their warm up sets.
What I generally do now is:
1 low rep (6) set with low weight as a warm up.
1 medium weight set for about 8 reps not quite to failure.
1 heavy set for 8 reps or beyond if possible to absolute failure
1 mega heavy set for 3 or so reps to 'Oh, shit I'm going to die!' failure.
I apply this formula to pretty much every exercise I do and I try to do at least 2 exercises per body part.
As far as I can see bulking is pretty simple. Train to absolute failure and beyond of every body part once per week using more than one exercise and eat a shit load of food.
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prince Albert said:
i got no idea what 15 stone 8 means but here it goes. Im 19 yrs old started lifting at 14. As of Nov 23 I was 6'4 329. At that time I maxed bench at 425, I deadlifted 500lb (i really think i coulda got more if my grip wasnt so bad), and squatted 550 3 times. And the best part is i have never taken any supplements ever (not even whey) until i was 18. my whole point is that steroids are not needed just a sound diet and hard work ethic.
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TomdW said:
yates and colemen are juiced to the gills and are probablly on clen. I highly doubt they are bulking...especially colemen. Even though the sport has changed from astehtically (sp.) looking to mass, they usually cut.
im2manly said:
I have to say that I agree with Prince Albert that cutting is to do with diet not how many reps you do. I know that they were putting on some mass in the off season and were not yet into the cutting phase, hence the fact that Coleman was eating so damn much in 'The Cost Of Redemption'.
im2manly said:
14lbs to a stone,218lbs,136lbs when i started lifting.
No offence but i would guess you were already a big lad before you started lifting,how much did you weigh when you first started?
Its easy to sit back and say steroids arn't needed when your already big built,the vast amount of trainees arn't blessed with such good genetics.
Your lifts are pretty good,i can match your deadlift,advantage of being shortarserofl
I don't see the argument anymore, who even asked the question to begin with? lol
Here is what we've gotten out of this discussion:
-We can't agree whether high reps (10+) or low reps (1-5) affect cutting/bullking and which is best.
-We can't agree whether steroids are needed to get to where we want to be.
OK, let's reason. The choice to use steroids is COMPLETELY on an individual basis, but my opinion is that they should only be used when an honest plateau has been reached (or as a method of HRT).
im2manly, I think your training regiment is directed at functional strength (which is awesome, so is mine) but the question was asked for the best bulking and cutting techniques. So yes, things like physiology and experts ARE valid because BODYBUILDING is very much different than training for strength. Strength athletes should focus on eating a high-calorie high protein diet and lift heavy. Very simple in comparison to a bodybuilder who doesn't necessarily care about how strong they are, they just want to be big and ripped. Dorian Yates tore a pec bench pressing 150 pounds (probably a drop set, etc but you get the point). Most bodybuilders in the competitive circuit train with 6-12 reps for most exercises, and high-rep squats are also very common. These guys are huge and cut. A high-rep squat routine is also good for mental conditioning, cardiovascular conditioning, and yes strength.
Personally, I believe in a lot of bottom-position lifts, low rep 5x5 systems, heavy singles, lots of grip work, and compound movements. I also love high-rep squats. These all build phenomenal functional strength and will over time make you big and strong. BUT, the concern is entirely aesthetic from my understanding, and there are FASTER ways to get the purely aesthetic look this person is after then would training for strengh.
What I outlined in my post on the previous page is what got ME 30 pounds in less than a year, and all I did was cut down on calories/carbs and added cardio to the existing regiment to drop 25 pounds of fat (of the 50 pounds I gained from bulking). So this is testiment to Prince Albert's assertion that getting ripped comes entirely from diet and cardio. I said high reps burn more calories and raise IGF-1 levels. I DID NOT raise reps when I lost weight, but I simply said that scientific research supports it, and it is a viable option, but weight can be lost without doing so.
I think it would be most beneficial to all if the person who originally asked the question would chime in before any further comments are made.
Here is what we've gotten out of this discussion:
-We can't agree whether high reps (10+) or low reps (1-5) affect cutting/bullking and which is best.
-We can't agree whether steroids are needed to get to where we want to be.
OK, let's reason. The choice to use steroids is COMPLETELY on an individual basis, but my opinion is that they should only be used when an honest plateau has been reached (or as a method of HRT).
im2manly, I think your training regiment is directed at functional strength (which is awesome, so is mine) but the question was asked for the best bulking and cutting techniques. So yes, things like physiology and experts ARE valid because BODYBUILDING is very much different than training for strength. Strength athletes should focus on eating a high-calorie high protein diet and lift heavy. Very simple in comparison to a bodybuilder who doesn't necessarily care about how strong they are, they just want to be big and ripped. Dorian Yates tore a pec bench pressing 150 pounds (probably a drop set, etc but you get the point). Most bodybuilders in the competitive circuit train with 6-12 reps for most exercises, and high-rep squats are also very common. These guys are huge and cut. A high-rep squat routine is also good for mental conditioning, cardiovascular conditioning, and yes strength.
Personally, I believe in a lot of bottom-position lifts, low rep 5x5 systems, heavy singles, lots of grip work, and compound movements. I also love high-rep squats. These all build phenomenal functional strength and will over time make you big and strong. BUT, the concern is entirely aesthetic from my understanding, and there are FASTER ways to get the purely aesthetic look this person is after then would training for strengh.
What I outlined in my post on the previous page is what got ME 30 pounds in less than a year, and all I did was cut down on calories/carbs and added cardio to the existing regiment to drop 25 pounds of fat (of the 50 pounds I gained from bulking). So this is testiment to Prince Albert's assertion that getting ripped comes entirely from diet and cardio. I said high reps burn more calories and raise IGF-1 levels. I DID NOT raise reps when I lost weight, but I simply said that scientific research supports it, and it is a viable option, but weight can be lost without doing so.
I think it would be most beneficial to all if the person who originally asked the question would chime in before any further comments are made.
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prince Albert said:
Yea fresHydromaxen year i was pretty big around 230-240 of fat tho. Being fat does not, i repeat, does not help and neither does being tall. If anything fat prevents the release of testosterone. teh differnece with the kids my age back then was that they wanted to get ripped so they would do 21's and high reps. I played football, so i did low reps heavy ass weight. I was benching 110 when i was 14...very similiar if not less then kids my age, but unlike them I was in there 4 days a week for 2-3 hours. anyway, well agree to disagree you did what you did and it worked good for you, just like i did...but can we atleast agree if you are gonna bulk its better to do low reps to increase strenght?
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goldmember said:
1.) Best bulking techniques flat and incline barbell bench, squats, deads, and barbell rows at heavy weight with rep range between 2-6. Best for cutting decline dumbbell bench, flyes, pullovers, 21s, hammercurls, tri cable extenstions,etc at lower weight higher reps less rest.
2.) you are right he prolly tore his pec on a drop set, repping out the previous weight and the current weight to ultimatley trap blood in his delts, tris, and pecs
3.) w/ the exception of colemen you'd be suprised at how much stronger BB look then they really are.
4.) I agree that diet and cardio are more important, but when i was merely addressing his workout apporach. HE wants to bulk, not cut lower reps tend to engorge your muscle quintessentially trapping blood in them sucles and puffing them out.
now a quick questions, goldmemeber, you seem like a man somewhat educated in human physiology. Are you aware of the types of muscle fibers? the ones for short burst of enery (strength) and for endurance? would you train for the 40 yard dash by jogging 4 miles a day? and viceaversa.
well, I would have to disagree. I believe fat has a lot to do with strength gains. I hit a wall early on in my weight lifting career (despite high calories) when I was too lean. I gained some weight (probably 20 pounds of which were pure fat) and suddenly my lifts all went up big time, with very little change in routine. I don't know how to explain it physiologically, but I would guess that the increased level of fatness (and the coinciding increase in aromatase and alpha-5-reductase enzymes) causes more DHT and possibly estrogen to circulate.im2manly said:
I agree that low reps will yield more strength in most cases, but this guy wants SIZE. Size and strength are not one in the same. A guy the size of Ronnie Coleman should be able to deadlift over 1000 pounds, bench over 500 pounds and squat around 800. I don't know his stats, but would venture to say he cannot, but he's the biggest ripped guy on this planet. I doubt he does much in the 1-5 rep range, with exception of negatives etc.im2manly said:
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a study have already been done that shows obese kids, who didnt get fat but have been fat (aka me fresHydromaxen year) have lower levels of test produduction.
I can agree with this.im2manly said:
yep. well aware of this.im2manly said:
I always got the biggest pump from 8-12 reps. I have never gotten much of a pump from low reps unless the rest was short and the sets were high (6+). The former somewhat defeats the purpose of low rep training.im2manly said:
You are still confusing strength and size a bit here. There are slow twitch fibers (Type I) that perform slow movements and those that fuel long-distance activities.im2manly said:
Type II fibers (fast-twitch) perform fast movements and those that require short bursts (heavy lifting). These are the fibers that respond most to weight training (hypertrophy). However, Type II fibers can be divided into Type IIa and Type IIb. Type IIa are more susceptible to growth, while TypeIIb respond better than Type I, but not as much as Type IIa. Type IIa fibers all called into action best during weight lifting bouts consisting of 6-12 reps, studies show. Type IIb fibers are called into action best during activities that require much strength. Train the fibers that grow most, in order to grow the most!
Also, don't forget that fast-twitch fibers come into play from more than just heavy lifting. Remember the sprinter you mentioned? Notice how sprinters are bigger than marathoners? You obviously know this, but I don't think it is from the notion that most believe, in that sprinting works the Type II fibers...no. Sprinting is not a strength activity, but the buildup of lactic acid (yes, this is anaerobic which usually is from activation of Type II fibers) and the lactic acid buildup causes an increase in IGF-1, according to Rea.
This can be translated to the high-rep squat routine. Not only is there an increase in IGF-1 from the high rep squats, but since squats work such a big muscle group, the testosterone increase is amplified. More IGF-1 and more Test mean a strong anabolic and anti-catabolic response.
As far as training for the 40-yd dash by running marathons, I agree that's assinine. However, the analogy cannot be related to the SIZE issue still, because SIZE does not equal strength. You have to tease these two apart. SIZE IS NOT STRENGTH, AND STRENGTH IS NOT SIZE (atleast not in the world of bodybuilding).
im2manly said:
Bodyfat level has alot to do with strength,anyone who has cut to a low bodyfat level will tell you how much strength you loose,look at the majority of strongmen out there,most have fairly high b.f.
Any chance of posting a pic up,if you have gone from a fat 230+lbs to a leaner 329lbs you must be a genuine natural freak.
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prince Albert said:
Is it really that amazing? the guys at elitefitness.com said the same thing, and they are a steroid board. lol shit maybe i should just drop out and start lifting for the rest of my life. I wish i did have a pic, but ima poor college student who right now is living off his parents. When you cut, aka drop body fat, of course the odds are you are going to drop muscle...infact its practially definite. Not all of them have a high Body fat maruiz pudiznowski (sp)d and janne vertanine (sp?) are pretty lean. But a bigger reason why they loose muscle is cuz they are cutting, getting less protein and fats and doing higher reps and lower weight (most of the time).
I'm sure this is true, but what about my story? I couldn't gain size or strength until I gained 20 pounds of lard???? How else do you explain that?im2manly said:
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goldmember said:
being fat as a child, especially during puberty when your test is going crazy, is different then adding fat. I was 6'1ish 230-240 couldnt even bench half my body weight. You do need to something to work with, but odds are that when you added 20lbs of lard you probablly got a ass load of protein and if you eatalot of steak you got some creatine and glutamine. Even now i think my test levels are low. I got practically no facial hair, and i am a big pacifist (not very aggressive)...you'd be suprised at how many people think they can fuck with you when your 300+.
This is sad. You weight 350 pounds or whatever and are cut, you are an ass-kicking machine!! Don't take shit from these losers, shit on them!!im2manly said:
As far as the high protein, my diet remained virtually constant as far as protein and carbs. My dietary fat levels increased though. You are right in that I did add red meat (see, eat your red meat!). Not only does red meat have an awesome amino acid profile, but it also has more dietary fat, creatine like you said, but most importantly, a dietary fat called arachidonic acid. I can't figure out why more bodybuilders don't know about this one. Arachidonic acid is not an essential fatty acid (although it is only one conversion from lenoleic acid which is an EFA) but converts to prostaglandin family 2 very readily. This is awesome for bodybuilders who incorporate stretch exercises and high-rep (remember lactic acid?) exercises. Prostaglandins have a very pronounced local anabolic response, meaning the part that burns will grow if prostaglandin production is elevated (along with other anabolic conditions ie test, insulin, IGF-1, T3). Eating red meat will raise prostaglandin levels (watch out unless you are training though, these cause inflammation!!), and be partially responsible for muscle gains. So maybe you are partially right--maybe my weight gain was because of higher levels of DIETARY fat, and not BODYfat. I have heard both stories though, so I can't rule the other out. Good post im2manly!
If you are discontent with your passiveness and lack of facial hair, get a complete blood profile and check for IGF-1, T3, T4, TSH, estradiol, Total testosterone, free testosterone, cortisol, and fasting glucose. Also ask if they can check for SHBG, LH, and FSH, but they are less critical unless your two Testosterone levels (free and total) are low.
-If your fasting glucose level is HIGH, then you may have low insulin levels (signs of insulin resistance or maybe type I diabetes).
-If any of these hormones are low, chances are your IGF-1 levels are also low, and...
-conversely, if your IGF-1 levels are low (the most important anabolic hormone) probably some other important (listed) hormones are low.
I hope this helps.
-GoldMember
Read the previous post. I forgot to add that intense high-rep training and intense stretch training cause the production of series 2 prostaglandins moreso than any other form of trianing. That doesn't mean they are superior to other forms, but that you can bring up a lagging bodypart by incorporating this type of training.
To help boost prostaglandin series 2 levels, other than adding red meat, you can also eat egg yolks and add sesame oil, sunflower oil, and/or safflower oil to increase linoleic acid levels (one conversion step from arachidonic acid).
If you are really hardcore, skip all the diet stuff and just inject prostaglandins locally!!! (I'm serious)
To help boost prostaglandin series 2 levels, other than adding red meat, you can also eat egg yolks and add sesame oil, sunflower oil, and/or safflower oil to increase linoleic acid levels (one conversion step from arachidonic acid).
If you are really hardcore, skip all the diet stuff and just inject prostaglandins locally!!! (I'm serious)
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goldmember said:
Ok i got no idea if your being sarcastic with your opening sentence or what not, dont rememeber saying i was cut especially since i gave you those stats when i was 330.
Im not unhappy about facial hair as i do have some but i shave once a week at the earliest (and even then their is not a lot) and im not unhappy about not being aggressive or anything...infact i think its a good thing, cuz otherwise id prolly be in jail for assault. My point was that I think i do have low test, and i think being fatter as kid is a possible cause (im not blaming it, im just saying its a possibility). I think people should listen to their bodies and cycle everything and they will be fine.
Im2manly,i didn't start to get a full face of stubble until i was about 25-26 so don't worry about it,some signs of low test levels are,constantly feeling tired,low sex drive,difficulty getting erections,depression.
dee3186 said:
I doubt either of you at 19 will have low test levels,those are some of the symptoms but they can also be signs of overtraining.
Your best bet is to see a doctor,they can run blood tests that will show up any problems.
I thought you said somewhere you were accused of being a genetic freak on some bodybuilding board...my mistake. Anyway, get the blood tests to see if your Test is low instead of guessing.im2manly said: