(SPE Theory) Steroids and Penis Enlargement.

[pyro]

Its been claimed and almost fact that for some reason, Young guys get FASTER results than older guys. Why? many posts around the P.E world claiming its testosterone. Young guys simply have more of it. Well, if higher levels of testosterone get you FASTER results in the p.e world then wouldnt steroids help out? Yes, steroids hoax claim to make your DICK SMALLER, not true at all. Im talking from experience. The only thing steroids does is make your BALLS smaller during your cycle. After you come off roids and go into PCT (Post cycle therapy) your balls go back to normal. Steroids such as "Test" usually start to hit you within 5 weeks of your cycle.. at a regular dosage such as 500mg/wk it will have your test levels going through the roof, you will feel like god, unstoppable. I have a theory that mixing a Test steroid cycle with P.E routine can give you better results,

Im currently on a Test only cycle of 500mg wk 5 week on it, I will keep you posted.

My cycle looks like:

1-4 dbol 35mg
1-10 Test 500mg/wk

12 PCT

P.E Routine

Circulation Break (35 Dry Jelqs, and Penis Twirling)

-Basic Stretches (Forward, circulation, Down, circulation, Left, circulation, Down, circulation)
-Squatting Stretches
-Crank Rotations (Left and Right)
-V-Stretches (15 sec intervals, circulation, 4 sets)
-Dry Jelqs (200)
-Wet Jelqs (400 Fast)
-Downward Wet Jelqs (200)
-Upward Wet Jelqs (100)
-Wet Jelqs (100 Slow)
-Base Squeezes
-Basic Stretches (Forward, circulation, Down, circulation, Left, circulation, Down, circulation)

My test is just kicking in and I have not been that deticated to my p.e I have been doing it on and off, I will be more deticated for the following 5 weeks since my test is kicking in and I will post my gains. I started at 4.5 flaccid and im already 5.4 flaccid

check my gains in my sig..

anyone else want to comment on my theory..

"SPenis Enlargement Theory"

 

[dyslexic_smile]

I don't know, I think it probably has more to do with growth hormone and IGF-1 levels than it does straight testoterone. Another thing that I think is a factor is that, in general, a younger person has better tissue elasticity, plus the ability to recover from stresses put on the body. Therefore, gains can be made easier in a younger person. Granted, this is just speculation on my part, so I could be completely off-base.

Regardless, I'm interested to hear your results from the study.


- d_s

 

[stillwantmore]

May also be the fact that steroids will cause you to increase in strength more quickly...maybe because you get stronger faster....you can pull/jelq with more force than a guy not on juice and therefor...its the increase in strength and not the steriod itself that is influincing the increases in size. Just an idea.

 

[pyro]

these are both good hypothesis, but I will continue on my theory and see what happens. I dont think its the strength a person gets because being able to TUG harder isint going to make your penis bigger, its just a theory, I will keep you guys posted with the results..

 

[REDZULU2003]

Steroids are BAD full stop.
I had a similer debate at PP just.

Leave them alone, they will FUCK U UP ONE DAY MAN, i know freinds who have been wanked by this shit.
It makes ya big and strong yea suuuuuuuuure but the muscle is stronger than the actual tendons and in the long run is garbage.
Also steroids dont increase testos' they EAT it and make ya muscles bigger.

You wont listen as you seem to know best but I give ya 10 years 15 tops and ya will have liver probz and alsorts of shit up wi ya.

 

[WaxN]

Originally posted by dyslexic_smile
I don't know, I think it probably has more to do with growth hormone and IGF-1 levels than it does straight testoterone. Another thing that I think is a factor is that, in general, a younger person has better tissue elasticity, plus the ability to recover from stresses put on the body. Therefore, gains can be made easier in a younger person.

I agree. There are a number of reasons why T helps build muscle tissue - but I don't think any of it applies to Penis Enlargement. I feel that things like better general circulation & recovery ability of younger men are probably contributing factors in more rapid gains - much more so than T would be. Perhaps a better immune system, lower levels of free radicals & less cellular damage (with happens with aging)....I believe it's factors like that which are responsible for better gains in young men.

 

[WaxN]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
Steroids are BAD full stop.
I had a similer debate at PP just.

Leave them alone, they will FUCK U UP ONE DAY MAN, i know freinds who have been wanked by this shit.
It makes ya big and strong yea suuuuuuuuure but the muscle is stronger than the actual tendons and in the long run is garbage.
Also steroids dont increase testos' they EAT it and make ya muscles bigger.

You wont listen as you seem to know best but I give ya 10 years 15 tops and ya will have liver probz and alsorts of shit up wi ya.

Red, I used to work with a powerlifter who was world-class in the benchpress. He married a beautiful woman & bought a Gold's Gym....and was dead before age 32. Sure, he was benching nearly 600 lbs, squatting over 800 lbs - and generally built like a comic book hero - but he left behind a young widow. He also knew best. Roids are psychologically addictive. Most guys who would take them (with the possible exception of professional athletes who feel the pressure of their $$$ on the line) have other psychological issues weighing them down. Our warnings mean nothing to them.

 

[penguinsfan]

Originally posted by WaxN
Red, I used to work with a powerlifter who was world-class in the benchpress. He married a beautiful woman & bought a Gold's Gym....and was dead before age 32. Sure, he was benching nearly 600 lbs, squatting over 800 lbs - and generally built like a comic book hero - but he left behind a young widow. He also knew best. Roids are psychologically addictive. Most guys who would take them (with the possible exception of professional athletes who feel the pressure of their $$$ on the line) have other psychological issues weighing them down. Our warnings mean nothing to them.

I have a knee that is all messed up and I'm probably going to need surgery on it this fall. I see my PCP this Tuesday for an orthopaedic referral.

I am considering asking the orthopaedic surgeon if a cycle of steroids would be beneficial in the inevitable strength training rehabilitation that will follow. When I used to lift weights, nothing seemed to help me with any real gains and I've always had trouble keeping the gut off. If I could get a prescription for the stuff to help with my rehab, I'd be glad to try it. I don't know whether the doc will go along with it or not, but he is the team surgeon for one of the professional sports teams in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], so I'm sure he is as familiar with the pros and cons as any physician.

I probably do have other psychological issues weighing me down. My appearance is nothing short of hideous. Write it down: Quantity of life, without quality of life, is a curse not a blessing. I don't want to become a regular roid addict, but I can't deny I've been tempted to try them lately.

 

[Shiver]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
....but the muscle is stronger than the actual tendons and in the long run is garbage.

While I agree that steroids are not good for you in the long run, the above is not strictly true. It is true of Testosterone, which down regulates collagen synthesis by 50-80% when taken at the levels generally used by body builders (500mg-1000mg), but winstrol for example massively upregulates collagen synthesis. Winstrol too is also bad because despite the massive upregulation, it does not support fibre cross linking integriry, so you get big tendons, but lower tensile strength.

Other steroids like Deca, Primo, Equipoise etc do upregulate collagen synthesis in the proper manner, as well as being anabolic.

My belief is that too little is just as bad as too much, and I do everything I can to encourage my body to produce as much Testosterone as possible, and only modest amounts of estrogen. If this is your goal too, then it can be done with a good diet and use of novel supplements. It does not need exogenous introduction of steroids.

 

[pyro]

Originally posted by penguinsfan
I have a knee that is all messed up and I'm probably going to need surgery on it this fall. I see my PCP this Tuesday for an orthopaedic referral.

I am considering asking the orthopaedic surgeon if a cycle of steroids would be beneficial in the inevitable strength training rehabilitation that will follow. When I used to lift weights, nothing seemed to help me with any real gains and I've always had trouble keeping the gut off. If I could get a prescription for the stuff to help with my rehab, I'd be glad to try it. I don't know whether the doc will go along with it or not, but he is the team surgeon for one of the professional sports teams in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], so I'm sure he is as familiar with the pros and cons as any physician.

I probably do have other psychological issues weighing me down. My appearance is nothing short of hideous. Write it down: Quantity of life, without quality of life, is a curse not a blessing. I don't want to become a regular roid addict, but I can't deny I've been tempted to try them lately.

I actually had problems with my left knee, I did a small cycle of deca with rehab and my knee feels brand spanking new. Deca is a steroid that is great for your joints..You may want to ask your doctor, I have some here if u want

 

[penguinsfan]

Originally posted by pyro
I actually had problems with my left knee, I did a small cycle of deca with rehab and my knee feels brand spanking new. Deca is a steroid that is great for your joints..You may want to ask your doctor, I have some here if u want

I've heard great things about Deca.

My whole view is as long as I'm going to have to rehab, I might as well check into steroids. If I'm taking steroids for my knee, I'm sure as hell going to do some work on my shoulders, chest, and arms while I'm in the gym. It's not something I want to do long-term, but I'll accept some small risks for the short-term, with the hope that I can keep a certain amount of my gains afterwards, particularly fat loss.

 

[Shiver]

The only bad thing I've ever heard about it was "Deca Dick". Worth considering and taking preventative action, especially considering the nature of this forum.

 

[WaxN]

I know this post will stir up controversy - it has before - but remember this, If you do a cycle or two, then quit, your roid gains will eventually cycle their way out of your system as well.
Taking roids for therapeutic/rehab purposes is a different issue, of course, my son had to take them for bad astHydromaxa when he was a kid. I'm talking about roid use for athletics.
I've never juiced, but many of my friends did. They were intensely into weight training - all year round - but I could visually see when their cycles would begin & end. Water retention & massive size fluctuations.
If you build mass/cuts on roids, then quit the juice, your gains will eventually go bye-bye. What you built artificially, your body can't maintain naturally. If you doubt the disappearing gains phenom, why does the A.D.F.P.A. have different categories of "drug-free"? (1 year off, 5 yrs off, Lifetime, etc.).

 

[pyro]

Originally posted by Shiver
The only bad thing I've ever heard about it was "Deca Dick". Worth considering and taking preventative action, especially considering the nature of this forum.

LOL, just add some test and deca dick will not be a problem at all.

 

[kkevinj]

WaxN,

Not true, as far as keeping your gains after you stop, it highly depends on what kind you are on, and how much the person was taking. IMO, a person that has never taken roids should not give info on something they have never experienced. As far as saftey with roids goes, you really need to do your homework before you do them. It is just like Penis Enlargement. Didn't mean to offend anyone with this post.

 

[WaxN]

Originally posted by kkevinj
WaxN,

Not true, as far as keeping your gains after you stop, it highly depends on what kind you are on, and how much the person was taking. IMO, a person that has never taken roids should not give info on something they have never experienced. As far as saftey with roids goes, you really need to do your homework before you do them. It is just like Penis Enlargement. Didn't mean to offend anyone with this post.

Never took roids, but I'm not giving "info" about them (such as brands, dosages, frequencies, etc.). I know too much about them to ever take them. I saw one friend die from them, & read about many others who've died prematurely from roid usage. In fact, roids are so dangerous that the FDA banned them for sports usage - even with a doctor's script - back in the '80's.
There are massive lawsuits by former Olympic swimmers (or by their estates) against the East German officials who forced them to take roids. So many former Soviet gold medalists died at young ages. NFL casualites like Lyle Alzado, Steve Courson. Bodybuilders, like that German (forget his name), not to mention serious health issues of some who haven't yet died from roid usage.
How anybody could possibly sit here & attempt to rationally explain how roids could be "safe" is beyond me. Like I said, I knew some serious weight trainees who took them - and they never kept their gains when they went off. As I wrote in an earlier post, former bench specialist and WR holder Paul Dicks - who did something like 612 at 220 (the record at that time), used to brag that he could bench 500 at anytime during the year. Wow, only about 80% of his 1RM? For a natural trainee, that's pathetic; but for a roid user, that's pretty good. Back when I could pause 435, I bet I could've hit 410-415 any day day of the year (I sure would not have bragged about being able to bench 345-350 any day of the year - when my max was 435).

 

[REDZULU2003]

I am with Waxn, I too know men died from this scum.
Dont take it, its FAKE and it will kill you one day.

Slowly you are digging your own grave, its only a matter of time before you fall into it.....but when????? I reckon its time to quiet dont you???

 

[kkevinj]

Guys, Guys, Guys!!!!!!!!

Think all all the pro football players, bodybuilders, baseball players that take steriods. Now think of how many have died from them, NOT MANY. I feel safer doing this than drinking alcohol. As long as you dont abuse them, they are pretty damn safe. I just do not feel taking 200-300 mg of roids is very dangerous. I will die of something else besides steriods, I PROMISE. I know you guys know some people that died from them, but compare it to other things: smoking, drinking, drugs(that affect your thinking) I just do not hear much on the news about this being much of a problem. I laugh my ass off when I watch TV shows about steriod usage. I do not they help much on Penis Enlargement.

 

[pyro]

Originally posted by kkevinj
Guys, Guys, Guys!!!!!!!!

Think all all the pro football players, bodybuilders, baseball players that take steriods. Now think of how many have died from them, NOT MANY. I feel safer doing this than drinking alcohol. As long as you dont abuse them, they are pretty damn safe. I just do not feel taking 200-300 mg of roids is very dangerous. I will die of something else besides steriods, I PROMISE. I know you guys know some people that died from them, but compare it to other things: smoking, drinking, drugs(that affect your thinking) I just do not hear much on the news about this being much of a problem. I laugh my ass off when I watch TV shows about steriod usage. I do not they help much on Penis Enlargement.

agreed. If you have knowlegde and you dont abuse roids you will be fine.

 

[Shiver]

While we're on the subject, has anyone read the MesoRX article about Testosterone and Cocaine in the latest newsletter? (http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/koert/testosterone-and-cocaine.htm)?

It's only one study, and a tentative 'in vitro' link at that, but suggests that while Testosterone or Cocaine alone do not cause this, when used in combination there is potential to cause a stroke due to platelet aggregation.

Of course this is only one study, but work bearing in mind for any guys that use both of these heavily.

 

[huge-girth]

Its been claimed and almost fact that for some reason, Young guys get FASTER results than older guys. Why? many posts around the P.E world claiming its testosterone. Young guys simply have more of it. Well, if higher levels of testosterone get you FASTER results in the p.e world then wouldnt steroids help out? Yes, steroids hoax claim to make your DICK SMALLER, not true at all. Im talking from experience. The only thing steroids does is make your BALLS smaller during your cycle. After you come off roids and go into PCT (Post cycle therapy) your balls go back to normal. Steroids such as "Test" usually start to hit you within 5 weeks of your cycle.. at a regular dosage such as 500mg/wk it will have your test levels going through the roof, you will feel like god, unstoppable. I have a theory that mixing a Test steroid cycle with P.E routine can give you better results,

Im currently on a Test only cycle of 500mg wk 5 week on it, I will keep you posted.

My cycle looks like:

1-4 dbol 35mg
1-10 Test 500mg/wk

12 PCT

P.E Routine

Circulation Break (35 Dry Jelqs, and Penis Twirling)

-Basic Stretches (Forward, circulation, Down, circulation, Left, circulation, Down, circulation)
-Squatting Stretches
-Crank Rotations (Left and Right)
-V-Stretches (15 sec intervals, circulation, 4 sets)
-Dry Jelqs (200)
-Wet Jelqs (400 Fast)
-Downward Wet Jelqs (200)
-Upward Wet Jelqs (100)
-Wet Jelqs (100 Slow)
-Base Squeezes
-Basic Stretches (Forward, circulation, Down, circulation, Left, circulation, Down, circulation)

My test is just kicking in and I have not been that deticated to my p.e I have been doing it on and off, I will be more deticated for the following 5 weeks since my test is kicking in and I will post my gains. I started at 4.5 flaccid and im already 5.4 flaccid

check my gains in my sig..

anyone else want to comment on my theory..

"SPenis Enlargement Theory"

In my honest opinion, combining pills with PE is a big NO. It leads to laziness but at a certain point in time, you will feel like taking the pills and doing little to no exercise. There was a time I bought 6 months supply of vimax back in 2007. The initial reason for the purchase was to use it in combination with my routine but I ended up not training at all and comsumed all the pills with nothing to show for it. Pills adds nothing to PE. Natural exercise is the best way to go.

 

[DLD]

In my honest opinion, combining pills with PE is a big NO. It leads to laziness but at a certain point in time, you will feel like taking the pills and doing little to no exercise. There was a time I bought 6 months supply of vimax back in 2007. The initial reason for the purchase was to use it in combination with my routine but I ended up not training at all and comsumed all the pills with nothing to show for it. Pills adds nothing to PE. Natural exercise is the best way to go.

Pills are only a supplement, they will aid in training but on there own they will do very little. A supplement means something is added to enhance the exercise, not replace. It is kind of ;like going to the gym and not training, but drinking all the supplements....a waste of time.