I'm not an expert on this but I'm gonna take a guess...

I would think it's possible to overdo it and your body is retracting to avoid injury or you're just heavily strained. Kinda like if you do a mega workout in the gym and you're really stiff and sore after.

But I'm gonna lean towards the long break taking a little away.

Now the experts can chime in and tell me if I guessed right or wrong because I'm just guessing.
 
cladre60;730084 said:
I'm not an expert on this but I'm gonna take a guess...

I would think it's possible to overdo it and your body is retracting to avoid injury or you're just heavily strained. Kinda like if you do a mega workout in the gym and you're really stiff and sore after.

But I'm gonna lean towards the long break taking a little away.

Now the experts can chime in and tell me if I guessed right or wrong because I'm just guessing.

my thought process was exactly like yours,but I thought I would ask to know what I am doing wrong exactly to learn and avoid it.
 
megamike;730086 said:
my thought process was exactly like yours,but I thought I would ask to know what I am doing wrong exactly to learn and avoid it.

Those are the scariest words I've read on this forum. They're even scarier than "permanent erectile injury."

The pros are gonna chime in later and if they think the same way we do then we're all doomed.
 
cladre60;730090 said:
Those are the scariest words I've read on this forum. They're even scarier than "permanent erectile injury."

The pros are gonna chime in later and if they think the same way we do then we're all doomed.

lol its not that bad dude
 
megamike;730092 said:
lol its not that bad dude

My thought process is a horrific mutilation of intelligent thought riddled with insanity. It's certainly not for the weak minded.

Okay maybe it's not that bad lol.
 
cladre60;730093 said:
My thought process is a horrific mutilation of intelligent thought riddled with insanity. It's certainly not for the weak minded.

Okay maybe it's not that bad lol.

too dark my friend, too dark. hahahahahaaha
 
View attachment 32844 better insane then sane lol.

A long break could reduce your BPFSL if the gains were not cemented first. Also an intense work out could reduce the size especially if you choose to not use a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] or something along that line to prevent turtleing, reason behind this is your body will see the change and want to bring it back in together to heal unless you keep it in a elongated position during this healing process you will constantly be fighting your body. Now not using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] (or what not) you will still gain just at a slower rate, I am no expert but this would be my best educated guess just dont take my sanity as being any better than cladre60's.
 
Sinthious;730095 said:
View attachment 32844 better insane then sane lol.

A long break could reduce your BPFSL if the gains were not cemented first. Also an intense work out could reduce the size especially if you choose to not use a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] or something along that line to prevent turtleing, reason behind this is your body will see the change and want to bring it back in together to heal unless you keep it in a elongated position during this healing process you will constantly be fighting your body. Now not using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] (or what not) you will still gain just at a slower rate, I am no expert but this would be my best educated guess just dont take my sanity as being any better than cladre60's.

I use [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ujw[/words] for long hours after each session,so thats not it
 
How much of a decrease did you experience? How long was your break? and last what is your routine? Those questions may help someone identify whats happening.
 
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A simple (perhaps too simple) analogy is the affect stretching has on a rubber band. Stretch for 5 seconds and release, the rubber band returns to its original shape. Stretch and hold for a few minutes and it returns to maybe 95% of its shape. Stretch the holy crap out of it and hold it for 5-10 minutes and it will struggle to return but will have lost some 'elasticity'. Rinse/repeat

*caveat emptor* everybody's 'rubber band' has a slightly different make-up, so what works for one may do the opposite for another...the only constant I see with my routine is consistency and force provide gains, (and when I say 'consistency', this means every day for over 2 years).

p.s. my mind works in a similar fashion, Cladre
 
megamike;730082 said:
Can your BPFSL decrease from exessive stretching after a long break? Or did the break cause thid decrease?

The decrease was most likely uncemented gains. Why did you stop?

Making length gains stick takes consistency and a deformation of the Tunica. The Tunica is very important in this as it limits the length and girth we can gain due to it's density. The Tunica has a density of around 95% making it only 5% elastic. This sounds discouraging at first look but not is really a blessing. Since the Tunica is so dense, when it is deformed it will never return to the size it was. Big used the example of an rubber band, that would apply to ligaments and there is great merit in this. Eventually the elasticity will give way but it is vital that the Tunica is prepared to accept and cement those increases. I hope this makes sense.
 
Sinthious;730095 said:
View attachment 32844 better insane then sane lol.

A long break could reduce your BPFSL if the gains were not cemented first. Also an intense work out could reduce the size especially if you choose to not use a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] or something along that line to prevent turtleing, reason behind this is your body will see the change and want to bring it back in together to heal unless you keep it in a elongated position during this healing process you will constantly be fighting your body. Now not using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]UJW[/words] (or what not) you will still gain just at a slower rate, I am no expert but this would be my best educated guess just dont take my sanity as being any better than cladre60's.

Your attachment doesn't work.

Another insanity candidate! Lol


Big Schwanz Acht;730098 said:
A simple (perhaps too simple) analogy is the affect stretching has on a rubber band. Stretch for 5 seconds and release, the rubber band returns to its original shape. Stretch and hold for a few minutes and it returns to maybe 95% of its shape. Stretch the holy crap out of it and hold it for 5-10 minutes and it will struggle to return but will have lost some 'elasticity'. Rinse/repeat

*caveat emptor* everybody's 'rubber band' has a slightly different make-up, so what works for one may do the opposite for another...the only constant I see with my routine is consistency and force provide gains, (and when I say 'consistency', this means every day for over 2 years).

p.s. my mind works in a similar fashion, Cladre

Losing body fat, gaining muscle mass, getting stronger, improving endurance, etc anything you do to change your body requires consistency. Gym memberships increase dramatically in January every single year. Within a few months they drop off. It's not because people hit their goals, it's a lack of the discipline needed to attain goals and/or lack of understanding that it takes serious effort and time to get where they want to be. If you have the discipline to remain consistent you'll get what you want eventually.


So you too think you can handle the insanity? I'm going to lead this band of whack jobs and we shall take over the world without using any violence. We shall simply confuse them with our intelligence and warped minds!
 
cladre60;730134 said:
Your attachment doesn't work.

Another insanity candidate! Lol

Thats a shame heres what is said "Sometimes I sit quietly and wonder Why i am not in a mental asylum. Then i take a good look around at everyone and realize ......Maybe i already am."
 
Sinthious;730097 said:
How much of a decrease did you experience? How long was your break? and last what is your routine? Those questions may help someone identify whats happening.

half a cm,not sure but I would say more than 2-3 months. routine: newbie stretches in the am, 15 minutes blasters,5 minute mandingo stretches and 600 jelqs in the pm
 
doublelongdaddy;730100 said:
The decrease was most likely uncemented gains. Why did you stop?

Making length gains stick takes consistency and a deformation of the Tunica. The Tunica is very important in this as it limits the length and girth we can gain due to it's density. The Tunica has a density of around 95% making it only 5% elastic. This sounds discouraging at first look but not is really a blessing. Since the Tunica is so dense, when it is deformed it will never return to the size it was. Big used the example of an rubber band, that would apply to ligaments and there is great merit in this. Eventually the elasticity will give way but it is vital that the Tunica is prepared to accept and cement those increases. I hope this makes sense.

I just got back into it because of uni and too much things to do.but I promised myself that from now on,nothing will stop me from getting what/where I want
 
Half a cm isnt bad over 2-3 months hard to say completely as that long enough for a slight decrease of uncemented gains but body weight changes including muscle loss could affect that amount as well. I know the term uni as slang for the mental hospital in town so i am not sure that's what your talking about lol. Thats Great dont let anything or anyone stop you from making you the best person you can be and with that attitude you can accomplish anything you set your mind too.
 
Sinthious;730159 said:
Half a cm isnt bad over 2-3 months hard to say completely as that long enough for a slight decrease of uncemented gains but body weight changes including muscle loss could affect that amount as well. I know the term uni as slang for the mental hospital in town so i am not sure that's what your talking about lol. Thats Great dont let anything or anyone stop you from making you the best person you can be and with that attitude you can accomplish anything you set your mind too.

uni=university :D
 
doublelongdaddy;730100 said:
The decrease was most likely uncemented gains. Why did you stop?

Making length gains stick takes consistency and a deformation of the Tunica. The Tunica is very important in this as it limits the length and girth we can gain due to it's density. The Tunica has a density of around 95% making it only 5% elastic. This sounds discouraging at first look but not is really a blessing. Since the Tunica is so dense, when it is deformed it will never return to the size it was. Big used the example of an rubber band, that would apply to ligaments and there is great merit in this. Eventually the elasticity will give way but it is vital that the Tunica is prepared to accept and cement those increases. I hope this makes sense.

Im going to have to agree with DLD on this one. Before i took 4 months off of PE (busy schedule) i was about 8.1" BPFSL and now since i have started back up again i am back at around 7.8". Consistency is KEY. If you want to cement gains i would say always be doing PE even it is just a few sessions a week for about 10 minutes, or you can go about .5" over your goal size so that your goal size will be your new cemented size.
 
time off is definitely a killer. although i noticed if u do it periodically it can give me a personal best to do a hard sesh right after a day or two off
 
acromegaly;730191 said:
time off is definitely a killer. although i noticed if u do it periodically it can give me a personal best to do a hard sesh right after a day or two off

so that for your next session you are recouperated and can give it your all, is that what you are saying? I used to do that sometimes I felt that I could do more when I was well rested.
 
acromegaly;730191 said:
time off is definitely a killer. although i noticed if u do it periodically it can give me a personal best to do a hard sesh right after a day or two off


true that one or two days off can help if we know what are we doing whit our PE life.
 
eugine8plz;730185 said:
Im going to have to agree with DLD on this one. Before i took 4 months off of PE (busy schedule) i was about 8.1" BPFSL and now since i have started back up again i am back at around 7.8". Consistency is KEY. If you want to cement gains i would say always be doing PE even it is just a few sessions a week for about 10 minutes, or you can go about .5" over your goal size so that your goal size will be your new cemented size.

And those small decreases return extremely quickly, sometimes in the first couple days! When things are uncemented they will not remain gains but they will remain quickly accessible. Consistency, even after your goals are met, is vital also. Now, I am not saying you need to train balls to the wall for the rest of your life, what I am saying is a light, maintenance program should be implemented to not only cement uncemented gains but also to keep the penis in top health. Once a week is plenty and will keep your penis healthy, strong, thick and long!
 
And I'd say, there could be a slight amount of overthinking going on too......lol, half a cm.....that's what, less than a quarter of an inch...... Flaccid length, is very unpredictable, and affected by seems like everything!! Temp, mood, activity, inactivity......they can all, and many more, can make it vary. I wouldn't stress over it too much. But, if also say, it could've been from the break, or a hard workout, either one.
 
Adamtf1982;730445 said:
And I'd say, there could be a slight amount of overthinking going on too......lol, half a cm.....that's what, less than a quarter of an inch...... Flaccid length, is very unpredictable, and affected by seems like everything!! Temp, mood, activity, inactivity......they can all, and many more, can make it vary. I wouldn't stress over it too much. But, if also say, it could've been from the break, or a hard workout, either one.

I know,but you surely know the feeling that your hard earned gains may be lost,well,some of them lol
 
megamike;730463 said:
I know,but you surely know the feeling that your hard earned gains may be lost,well,some of them lol

For sure! But.....that usually just makes it worse! Lol, a little stressing, and he'll just keep backing up! Lol.
 
Adamtf1982;730471 said:
For sure! But.....that usually just makes it worse! Lol, a little stressing, and he'll just keep backing up! Lol.

Any gains that are lost were never cemented to begin with but they will return with the first few days on return. Gaining is only part of the process, retaining the gains through proper healing is also very important. A good rule of thumb is to go 1/2 inch past your goal in girth and length and you will settle down to your ideal size.
 
megamike;730082 said:
Can your BPFSL decrease from exessive stretching after a long break? Or did the break cause thid decrease?

I have never measured BPFSL so I cannot tell and I don't even bother myself about it. All that matters to me is bone pressed erect measurement and big flaccid hang
 
huge-girth;760136 said:
I have never measured BPFSL so I cannot tell and I don't even bother myself about it. All that matters to me is bone pressed erect measurement and big flaccid hang

You should take that measurement today! FSBPL shows you the gains of the future. I would definitely take this measurement before any other length measurement. Length gains show up here first and are translated as time progresses.
 
doublelongdaddy;760246 said:
You should take that measurement today! FSBPL shows you the gains of the future. I would definitely take this measurement before any other length measurement. Length gains show up here first and are translated as time progresses.

FSBPL means Flaccid Side Bone Pressed Length?
 
huge-girth;760308 said:
FSBPL means Flaccid Side Bone Pressed Length?

Yes, people write it in different ways

BPFSL: Bone Pressed Flaccid Stretched Length
FSBPL: Flaccid Stretched Bone Pressed Length
BPSFL: Bone Pressed Stretched Flaccid Length

They all mean the same
 
doublelongdaddy;760388 said:
Yes, people write it in different ways

BPFSL: Bone Pressed Flaccid Stretched Length
FSBPL: Flaccid Stretched Bone Pressed Length
BPSFL: Bone Pressed Stretched Flaccid Length

They all mean the same

Alright, I'm going to get a ruler and take that measurement for sure.
 
huge-girth;760485 said:
Alright, I'm going to get a ruler and take that measurement for sure.

It's my least favorite measurement to attempt but when I've done it the results are the same on back to back measurements. Don't need to worry about EQ so it is kind of easier in that regard.
 
cladre60;760523 said:
It's my least favorite measurement to attempt but when I've done it the results are the same on back to back measurements. Don't need to worry about EQ so it is kind of easier in that regard.

I did the measurement today from the top and saw 7 inches length (Flaccid top measurement). I don't believe it has anything to do with my erect length because I'm sure I'm a bit over 7.5 inches when erect and when inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]hydromax[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X40[/words], I get to the 8.5 inches mark. I'm able to 3 twist/rotation with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] when doing bundled stretches and for you to do this you surely need to be around 7.75 inches in length. I'm very confused now.
 
huge-girth;760531 said:
I did the measurement today from the top and saw 7 inches length (Flaccid top measurement). I don't believe it has anything to do with my erect length because I'm sure I'm a bit over 7.5 inches when erect and when inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]hydromax[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X40[/words], I get to the 8.5 inches mark. I'm able to 3 twist/rotation with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] when doing bundled stretches and for you to do this you surely need to be around 7.75 inches in length. I'm very confused now.

When measuring did you press against your pubic bone and pull stretch as far as you can up the ruler? There is never a time when this measurement is less than your erect bp measurement. Measure again being sure to measure as I have stated, you are going to see more length than 7", you simply are not pushing and stretching hard enough.
 
doublelongdaddy;760536 said:
When measuring did you press against your pubic bone and pull stretch as far as you can up the ruler? There is never a time when this measurement is less than your erect bp measurement. Measure again being sure to measure as I have stated, you are going to see more length than 7", you simply are not pushing and stretching hard enough.

The proper way to do this measurement is why I don't like it. You're pulling and pushing at the same time and it can be very uncomfortable.
 
doublelongdaddy;760536 said:
When measuring did you press against your pubic bone and pull stretch as far as you can up the ruler? There is never a time when this measurement is less than your erect bp measurement. Measure again being sure to measure as I have stated, you are going to see more length than 7", you simply are not pushing and stretching hard enough.

It seems I need to pull harder and it feels uncomfortable for me. I will have to use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and see how high I can go length wise inside the pump. Because right now I feel quite discouraged but there is no going back.
 
huge-girth;760633 said:
It seems I need to pull harder and it feels uncomfortable for me. I will have to use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and see how high I can go length wise inside the pump. Because right now I feel quite discouraged but there is no going back.

The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] isn't fully accurate, just a guide. I managed to hit 6" in it last night yet by BPEL is 6.25".
 
huge-girth;760633 said:
It seems I need to pull harder and it feels uncomfortable for me. I will have to use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and see how high I can go length wise inside the pump. Because right now I feel quite discouraged but there is no going back.

In a flaccid stretched measurement you must pull with strength and push the ruler firmly against your pubic bone. I am sure if you measure with a wooden ruler, rounded off with sand paper, you can see you true flaccid stretched length.
 
doublelongdaddy;760682 said:
In a flaccid stretched measurement you must pull with strength and push the ruler firmly against your pubic bone. I am sure if you measure with a wooden ruler, rounded off with sand paper, you can see you true flaccid stretched length.

Pulling with strength is what I didn't do and also I didn't use a wooden ruler. I don't want to measure and get depressed. I'm going to keep on training with as much intensity as possible.
 
cladre60;760681 said:
The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] isn't fully accurate, just a guide. I managed to hit 6" in it last night yet by BPEL is 6.25".

Yes I know it's just a guide but as long as I keep going up inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] I'm fine. The last time I was at 8.5 inches inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and that was 2 months ago. If I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] again I'm sure I will beat the 8.5 inches mark and that's going to give me so much confidence. I just hate measuring.
 
huge-girth;760760 said:
Yes I know it's just a guide but as long as I keep going up inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] I'm fine. The last time I was at 8.5 inches inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and that was 2 months ago. If I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] again I'm sure I will beat the 8.5 inches mark and that's going to give me so much confidence. I just hate measuring.

That is fine and if it helps lessen your anxiety I see no issues with these types of measurement. They are called loose measurements for a reason, they are not perfect, they are a good estimate.
 
huge-girth;760760 said:
Yes I know it's just a guide but as long as I keep going up inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] I'm fine. The last time I was at 8.5 inches inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] and that was 2 months ago. If I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] again I'm sure I will beat the 8.5 inches mark and that's going to give me so much confidence. I just hate measuring.

I'll be happy when my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] workouts reach and then exceed the 7" mark. All in time (but hopefully sooner rather than later). I'm hoping by official measurement time I've gotten that far in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words].
 
cladre60;760884 said:
I'll be happy when my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] workouts reach and then exceed the 7" mark. All in time (but hopefully sooner rather than later). I'm hoping by official measurement time I've gotten that far in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words].

With consistency, you will surely keep going higher inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words]. It feels so good and addictive as well.
 
huge-girth;760899 said:
With consistency, you will surely keep going higher inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words]. It feels so good and addictive as well.

It's instant temporary gains which makes you want to work more.
 
cladre60;760934 said:
It's instant temporary gains which makes you want to work more.

And it is gains that can be used on the wife!
 
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