Phallosan vs VLC tugger vs others

[wakingdream]

I'd like to get a suction product for length. I did a ton of research and reading on the forums, but the more I read the more undecided I am.

My main goal is to have something to grip the head of my penis, comfortably and preferably for a long time. I currently have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], but I'm looking for something a little more comfortable. I can get comfortable in the LD and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], but it can take a long time to get it right, or I'm sitting there trying to get a good wrap instead of actually doing PE.
I also enjoy manual stretching but sometimes I don't feel a strong enough pull with just my hands, or my fingers can get sore/tired. So suction sounds like a good idea to try, right?

I'm also interested in restoring my foreskin, so it'd be nice if the product I buy does that as well.

AB Silicone:
I like the look of their site and their products and price, but I've read that they don't ship sometimes, or it takes months, and they have no customer service.

VacADS from autoxtender:
Their site looks like it's from 1996, it's hard to navigate and they have a couple different versions and it's a bit confusing, and I don't see many reviews.

Phallosan:
Extremely expensive, but I'm willing to pay if it's that much more worth it. Some people say it's really comfortable, other say it's given them irritation or blisters.
Why is it so much more expensive than other suction products? Is there a modification for the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] for foreskin restoration?

VLC [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words]:
This looks like it might be the best option for me, and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] advertises it, but I still wonder why it's cheaper than the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]. The biggest difference I see is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] has a spring mechanism and the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and others are more like bungie cord. But pulling is pulling, regardless if there's springs, right?

Thanks everyone!

 

[megamike]

go for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words]. best option in my opinion

 

[DLD]

I would get the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] and the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words]. The two can be used in many ways. First the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] as an attachment for the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] for daily use makes it very comfortable and easy to take on and off (with 30 second). There is no wrapping involved either, which save much time. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be word 24 hours a day so it is great for overnight length gaining. Another awesome thing about the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] and having the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] is the combinational modification called the PhalloGenetics. Also, you will have everything you nee to do the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] Routine.

 

[User182811]

Just get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] or stick with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] until a better [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] comes out.

I have a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and while it is comfortable I don't feel like it gives that great of a stretch. Especially considering the price of the device itself plus the monthly or bimonthly costs of buying new sleeves and protector caps. Honestly not worth it. I wish I had gotten the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] instead. I still might actually.

 

[wakingdream]

Thanks guys.

Which one will have the most suction and allow me to pull on it manually, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] or the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

I guess I still don't understand the difference between the two. For instance, if I get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and use it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], why would I also want to buy the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to use with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]? They look like the same thing.
You mentioned that the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be worn 24 hours a day - is that also true for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]?

MegaMike, are you circumcised?

 

[User182811]

You don't need both. And 24 hours a day is not accurate. After repeatedly wearing it several hours a day you will get sore and swollen around the urethral opening, even with a protector cap unless you take it off from time to time.

 

[acromegaly]

i think [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] is the only one marketed for forskin restoration, i might be wrong tho. just pulling it back under your leg and sitting on it works too if u work from home or something...

 

[wakingdream]

So what I'm gathering is there's no difference in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] other than it's price tag?
I'm not trying to be cheap. I'll spend whatever I need to for comfort, etc. But I've seen the "what's the difference" question asked on the forum many times, but I can't seem to find an answer.

 

[DLD]

Thanks guys.

Which one will have the most suction and allow me to pull on it manually, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] or the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

I guess I still don't understand the difference between the two. For instance, if I get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and use it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], why would I also want to buy the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to use with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]? They look like the same thing.
You mentioned that the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be worn 24 hours a day - is that also true for the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]?

MegaMike, are you circumcised?

It needs to be understood that the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] by itself will do little more than help you heal in an elongated position, there is just not enough intensity to gain length. The only reason I mention the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] is because it is a great [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] connection. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] does not need any additions, it will do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] will do and more.

 

[wakingdream]

The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words].

Why can't you just stretch/pull the strap harder on the PF? Will the suction pop off?

 

[ma999]

The pf wont do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] will do. The only thing wrong with the size gentics is it uses a strap. The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words]. The pf is good nothing but lighting your pocket book. Sorry but folks need to be more honest about the pf and stop making the germans rich off a product that wasnt designed to lengthen but to help fix the curvature of the penis.

I've had 3 phallosans over the course of a a few years probably have logged in about 3000 hours.. I only paid for one though and it was used at that, before asking why I would buy it so many times.

The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is extremely comfortable, and the idea of that you can wear and go out in public, work, sleep in safely seems like a holy grail. Unless you are a complete noob, it doesn't seem nearly as effective has a rod stretcher. Side to side in theory sounds good, but in my experience straight up, straight out, or straight down is much more effective stretch. Besides the lack of tension.

Curve corrections, and straighting out a penis which is what my main goal was for getting one. I have a right curve. Stretching against the curve against its side made zero difference in 3000 hours stretching against a curve. At 500 with rod it had made a curve reduction.

 

[DLD]

The pf wont do everything the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] will do. The only thing wrong with the size gentics is it uses a strap. The pf wont even come close to giving a stretch like the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words]. The pf is good nothing but lighting your pocket book. Sorry but folks need to be more honest about the pf and stop making the germans rich off a product that wasnt designed to lengthen but to help fix the curvature of the penis.

That would be saying that everyone here that has gained with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is tying....I do not think that be the case. Your opinion is certainly welcome but to make a blanket statement that it is "lighting your pocket book" simply is not true. Many people prefer different devices for different reasons.

 

[DLD]

For curve correction a traditional [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] will do the job. Best of both worlds is the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], it does what the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] do all in one.

 

[eugine8plz]

I really like the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], i can wear it for hours a day with only needing to make minor adjustments every 45 minutes to 1 hour. When you buy it you might want to buy a different sleeve to use with it such as an ab silicone sleeve (i bought the ab silicone sleeve but it took about a month to come in). The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is also another option, although in my case the diaphragms broke on me within a week at the most. Hope this helps you out, if you have any more questions just ask!

 

[superman05xx]

Neither will give you a better stretch than manual work. I have both of these devices .... [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is my top pick (I wasn't able to get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words] tigger working like it should and that was with several switches of the caps and everything); however, check out the mods I mentioned on here somewhere. My mods refer to better sleeves and also how to better work the device to avoid pain.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Yes dld i agree folks use different stuff for different reasons. But lets be honest it does not stretch hard enough to make and length gains. Hell bro you can't even stretch it long enough to get it to stretch. It won't even stretch past the hip. Lmao!! There biggest selling point to sell it, is that you can sleep with it. That is there number one selling point and is why so many buy it. Thinking they can do it while they sleep so others don't know. Even when its by the hip the bell and the pump and then the arms are sitting on the side of the pants. Lol. It is by far the worse stretcher out there for gaining length and quality. There is not 1 piece on it that is of quality. At best it's worth maybe 100$. It wasnt even designed as a stretcher. But not trying to just bash there product but save many p.e. brothers out there time and money. Nothing is more disappointing then wasting hundereds of dollars and get nothing out of it. I have never heard one person say, HEY THIS THING IS MADE OF QUALITY! If you wanna gain length stay away from the pf. If you wanna slowly try and fix a curvature problem then get it, thats why it was made. I know what p.e. folks need in a stretcher and this late fall i will be putting it out. Surprised no one else had yet.

Would be great to see whats your product,An amazing stretching device that shows gains quicker! Most guys here would be interested. imho

 

[wakingdream]

Thanks guys.
I understand alot more now.
So aside from the differences in the straps and rods, etc, which of the suction devices has the strongest suction and comfort for intense manual stretching?
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] has attachments for weights, so it sounds like it can withstand alot of pulling, but do you think it's more comfortable than clamping on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] or bib, etc?

 

[eugine8plz]

I remember when you were breaking them. I still don't know how you did. Im on 3 months on mine and use it 8 to 12hrs a day. And only take it off to use the bathroom. Im talking about tue [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] of course. And the pf pulls so gentle you shouldnt have to readjust it every hour

Ya I usually don't have to adjust it but I just like to make sure that no suction is being lost. And ya bro aha those were the good old days lol I'm gonna try my [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] out soon again and see how it goes. Hopefully it doesn't fuck up on me again like before, cause I really liked the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], and I get a very good stretch from it.

 

[eugine8plz]

I don't know why you were having the problems with it you were having. If you decide to use it again let me know and i will take a video for you just to make sure your putting it together right. I didn't at first then i watched the video a few more times and saw were i was messing up. Like i said i wish they made more sizes for the glan instead of just one. And they should give more of the replaceable parts or a better price. But you can use ballons in place of them also. I have good luck with mine lasting 3 to 4 months. But i make sure i keep them clean and my nails short to not scratch them.

Ok ya i am going to try mine out probably some time tomorrow so if you can send me a vid of you putting it together and even putting it on (if you are ok with that, totally up to you bro) that would help out a lot. And ya i wish they made different glans cap sizes too, i have a slightly smaller glans so i believe that would also be a reason why there are breaking on me. I cleaned mine too every couple days but what does cleaning do, does it help it last longer and not corrode in a sense? I might try to get some smaller balloons that i can use as well.

 

[DLD]

Thanks guys.
I understand alot more now.
So aside from the differences in the straps and rods, etc, which of the suction devices has the strongest suction and comfort for intense manual stretching?
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] has attachments for weights, so it sounds like it can withstand alot of pulling, but do you think it's more comfortable than clamping on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] or bib, etc?

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] is by far the most intense length equipment. Nothing can compare to this as the intensity created and since it is a tool for manual work every possible position is possible, unlike any of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] we carry. Out of the 3 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] we carry, they all hold different benefits but if I were to say which one would be the smartest way to spend money I would go with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] as it has much of the qualities of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] with most of the qualities of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. I think some men are even attesting to the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] beings able to use through the night, hopefully someone will chime in. The benefits to the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] are it is very comfortable, it can be worn 24 hours a day, it is the most concealed out of the 3. The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] is strongest as far as intensity goes but as I said the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] rivals that. If you are doing a manual/tool routine I would suggest both an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as they are very different from each other.

 

[eugine8plz]

Thanks guys.
I understand alot more now.
So aside from the differences in the straps and rods, etc, which of the suction devices has the strongest suction and comfort for intense manual stretching?
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] has attachments for weights, so it sounds like it can withstand alot of pulling, but do you think it's more comfortable than clamping on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] or bib, etc?

In my opinion I would just get a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words], it has everything you need for both Manuel stretching and hanging. I've had mine for a few months now and love it. As long as you have a comfortable wrapping technique with it you should find it to be a very comfortable experience.

 

[wakingdream]

Since I'm being told to get an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and an LG, I'm reposting my OP haha

My main goal is to have something to grip the head of my penis, comfortably and preferably for a long time. I currently have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], but I'm looking for something a little more comfortable. I can get comfortable in the LD and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], but it can take a long time to get it right, or I'm sitting there trying to get a good wrap instead of actually doing PE.
I enjoy manual stretching but sometimes I don't feel a strong enough pull with just my hands, or my fingers can get sore/tired. So suction sounds like a good idea to try, right?

I guess I was even imagining a mod for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words], to put a suction device on it.
But I think what I'm hearing is that for me, suction is not really what I want, and probably not strong enough. I think I want to work on my wrap more for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words].

I'm also interested in restoring my foreskin, so it'd be nice if the product I buy does that as well.

As for this, I probably will get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] for foreskin, and for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]. It sounds like suction is best for keeping elongated for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words], and suction is not really meant for strong manual stretching.

 

[ma999]

Since you already have, a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] look at getting an auto [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] vacuum kit. It will give you a vacuum head you can use for your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and save more money.

 

[DLD]

Since I'm being told to get an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and an LG, I'm reposting my OP haha


I guess I was even imagining a mod for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words], to put a suction device on it.
But I think what I'm hearing is that for me, suction is not really what I want, and probably not strong enough. I think I want to work on my wrap more for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words].


As for this, I probably will get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] for foreskin, and for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]. It sounds like suction is best for keeping elongated for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words], and suction is not really meant for strong manual stretching.

I love when I hear that someone is going to mod a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words], I can't ever imagine what it would be but it excites me none the less.

 

[User182811]

Just get the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] or stick with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] until a better [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] comes out.

I have a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and while it is comfortable I don't feel like it gives that great of a stretch. Especially considering the price of the device itself plus the monthly or bimonthly costs of buying new sleeves and protector caps. Honestly not worth it. I wish I had gotten the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] instead. I still might actually.

I still stand by what I said about the price but I have to say I think this is actually a really useful device for stealth and comfort. And it honestly gives me a great flaccid hang after wearing it for a while. My penis is really stretchy and loose afterwards making it the perfect warm-up for manual stretching. Granted, there are other, less costly ways of accomplishing that.

But if you're gonna be sitting around not doing anything, or running errands, working or anything like that you might as well log some passive pe hours and this is perfect for that.

Unfortunately, again, it's really expensive for a passive pe/warm-up device. If it gave more of an intense stretch that would actually create length just by wearing it alone... that would be worth the price and maybe more. That's what I'm looking forward to in the future- active pe [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] that are comfortable, discreet, and can be worn for hours.

I realize that's essentially what [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] purport to do now but I don't think any [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on the market can create gains beyond newbie gains. After a certain point they're mostly for maintenance or pre-fatiguing the tunica for manual work.

Maybe I'm asking too much but surely someone will create an active pe device in the near future. Perhaps [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] themselves will be the ones to do it in their next generation of the pf. They came pretty close with this one but it needs some improvements.

 

[DLD]

I still stand by what I said about the price but I have to say I think this is actually a really useful device for stealth and comfort. And it honestly gives me a great flaccid hang after wearing it for a while. My penis is really stretchy and loose afterwards making it the perfect warm-up for manual stretching. Granted, there are other, less costly ways of accomplishing that.

But if you're gonna be sitting around not doing anything, or running errands, working or anything like that you might as well log some passive pe hours and this is perfect for that.

Unfortunately, again, it's really expensive for a passive pe/warm-up device. If it gave more of an intense stretch that would actually create length just by wearing it alone... that would be worth the price and maybe more. That's what I'm looking forward to in the future- active pe [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] that are comfortable, discrete, and can be worn for hours.

I realize that's essentially what [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] purport to do now but I don't think any [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on the market can create gains beyond newbie gains. After a certain point they're mostly for maintenance or pre-fatiguing the tunica for manual work.

Maybe I'm asking too much but surely someone will create an active pe device in the near future. Perhaps [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] themselves will be the ones to do it in their next generation of the pf. They came pretty close with this one but it needs some improvements.

Everyone has a different experience with different equipment. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is the choice of many and they love the many things that are possible with it, particularly being able to use while sleeping. The 3 [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] we carry should allow everyone to have exactly what they wan.

The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMasterPro[/words]
The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words]
The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]

Men need to research all three to see what is best for them.

 

[User182811]

Ya know, come to think of it the best [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] available on the market right now is easily the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]/sg combo.

I quit using mine because the sleeves were ripping way too fast but that was back when I was still using [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] sleeves. I've discovered lg hanger sleeves since then and they last a really long time on my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words].

But I remember measuring my flaccid size while in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and it was close to 9 nbp. I had to add rods and everything. Think I might give this another shot.

 

[User182811]

Yeah it is expensive. Both are expensive just by themselves. But I already have both so why would I buy yet another expensive device that does the same thing and probably not as well? I've never used the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] but it looks inferior to the phallogenetics. Just my opinion. No need to go into one of your overly defensive tirades. Lol.

Also, it's not $700. The pf is $365 and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] is $200 if I'm not mistaken. That's $565. Still expensive but $700 is exaggerating.

And as for the large and xl bell not fitting right, that may be a legitimate problem. Because back when I was combining the two I was using the medium bell but since then I've been exclusively using the large bell so I'll have to mess around with it. I think it can work but it won't be completely straight, which does kinda suck. Maybe there's a way to mod the headpiece to fit the larger bells.

 

[DLD]

Yes that is a great combo, but after buying the 2 your what 7 maybe 800$ into a stretcher? CRAZY! And if you use the xl bell it fits horrible, shouldn't even use it then. Then you ad the pump on the end of the pf and it makes it even bigger. Can't believe so many endorse thos poor product then say to spend hundereds more on a stretcher to modify it. When you could just save the money and buy a stretcher that has all that already. 300 hundered versus 700$ 🤔

"poor product" Explain?

 

[DLD]

Sorry was off on price

Yeah, please do research before posting pricing.

 

[DLD]

Dld, first off i was just throwing a price out there meaning it's expensive to have to buy the 2 just to make one. And if you use the large bell or xL bell it doesn't work. And the pf is a poor product. It doesn't stretch worth a s--t and it can't get past your hip. Everything is cheaply made. The only thing that is decent about it is the bell it's self. And with the pump it makes it long. The belt is even cheap and doesn't give you options. And anyone past 7" maybe 8" couldn't even use it. Now that you asked me why i thought this, let me ask why you think it's so great? Besides you can sleep with it. Which by the way you can with some other one's also.

You show no respect and you are constantly starting issues with other members and attacking our partners. If I see ONE MORE negative comment towards a member or if you troll our product line you will be out of here. [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] has been a friend to the Brotherhood far longer than you and the many men that have gained using it love it. I do not need to explain myself to you! Remember who's house this is!

 

[DLD]

You asked me a question and i answered you that's all. Then i asked what you liked about it. How is that beimg a dick?

I have seen you troll others posts and threads...stop this or I will have to ban you.

 

[growtime]

All the products here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (and competing sites, which often showcase some or all of the same products) are effective. Some people respond better to some products than others. You can use the PF by strapping to your ankle or calf for a downward pull. Stretchers like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] are best choice for most when it comes to curve correction. It seems you can pump harder using water pumps than air pumps and avoid injury or ruin EQ.

Of course, people aren't made in factories, so YMMV. PE has not been a top priority in medical research, but most authorities recommend slow and steady most of the time with intensity here and there will provide the best permanent gains. There aren't a gazillion people who've grown to 11-12 inches; most people are satisfied before then and back off, so we'll never know what their max potential could have been.

In a nutshell, with my dick, I've seen growth with PF and other products, and if I get to 8-9 inches and it stops working, I'll report back. Until then, I'm going to stick with products that DLD, Joel Kaplan, the other busy forum and urologists who do PE recommend. If you can afford to invest in yourself, even if you have to do it slowly, I'd get a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Extreme, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], PF, backup air pump and [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words], in that order. I'd get the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] membership, some personalized advice, consider chemical PE and yes, expect results. You're investing in yourself and the dividends you'll reap far exceed the cost and effort. When a woman gets a boob job, we can all see the results and it will help her. When we grow our dicks 2 or more inches, or go from below average to above average, nobody can see anything (we hope) but somehow or another, the world knows, recognizes and rewards the stronger man.

BTW to anyone who's glib about the significance of an 8 inch penis (top .01%), here. If you manage to get to 8-9 inches and started PE as an adult, you've done quite well. https://calcsd.bitballoon.com/full

 

[DLD]

All the products here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (and competing sites, which often showcase some or all of the same products) are effective. Some people respond better to some products than others. You can use the PF by strapping to your ankle or calf for a downward pull. Stretchers like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] are best choice for most when it comes to curve correction. It seems you can pump harder using water pumps than air pumps and avoid injury or ruin EQ.

Of course, people aren't made in factories, so YMMV. PE has not been a top priority in medical research, but most authorities recommend slow and steady most of the time with intensity here and there will provide the best permanent gains. There aren't a gazillion people who've grown to 11-12 inches; most people are satisfied before then and back off, so we'll never know what their max potential could have been.

In a nutshell, with my dick, I've seen growth with PF and other products, and if I get to 8-9 inches and it stops working, I'll report back. Until then, I'm going to stick with products that DLD, Joel Kaplan, the other busy forum and urologists who do PE recommend. If you can afford to invest in yourself, even if you have to do it slowly, I'd get a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Extreme, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], PF, backup air pump and [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words], in that order. I'd get the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] membership, some personalized advice, consider chemical PE and yes, expect results. You're investing in yourself and the dividends you'll reap far exceed the cost and effort. When a woman gets a boob job, we can all see the results and it will help her. When we grow our dicks 2 or more inches, or go from below average to above average, nobody can see anything (we hope) but somehow or another, the world knows, recognizes and rewards the stronger man.

BTW to anyone who's glib about the significance of an 8 inch penis (top .01%), here. If you manage to get to 8-9 inches and started PE as an adult, you've done quite well. https://calcsd.bitballoon.com/full

Now this is something I can agree with and it is a fair and honest review. I can understand someone not liking a product since it did not work for them, but to go off and say the product does not work for anyone is just not true. Many respond to the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], many respond to the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] and many go for the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. I can say that a BMW is crap to me but that does not mean it is crap for all, some love their BMW.

 

[ThatDude512]

I just got a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and have had the chance to wear it a couple of days, and I wanted to give my opinion on it since there is a lot of controversy over it in this thread. If you are on the longer side, yes it does have to sit on your hip, but it is not a deal breaker in my opinion. I've managed to get 10 hours a day in at max tension, and the only (slight) discomfort I've had is the base ring bite. The belt and suction bell dig into the hips a little, but are easy to adjust on the fly, and all this combined is not even close to the discomfort of being strapped into my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] at full tension. I struggle to hit four hours a day in a regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], and I'm almost tripling that in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. There is all the tension you could want as well, if the springs max out, you can still tighten the belt and get more. All and all I think this is a great tool and think it's really going to make a difference in my program.

 

[Muffbuster]

I'll put in my .02 cents;
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words]-must have!
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]-gotta get one.
[words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Sizegenetics[/words]- pain in the ass but use it as a phallogenetics!
[words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words]-customer
service sucks! Use the LG hanger sleeves.
I feel for me it's an
anti turtling devise/passive gaining tool.
Malehanger-I have no problems with it once you get the wrap down.
Malehanger clamp-👍
Now all that being said I see a lot of talk about how expensive this or that is. I have family in the machining trades- molds aren't cheap! R&D isn't cheap! And yes some companies prey on our sensitive ego. But it's your dick! if it's too expensive save your money up or don't buy it!

 

[DLD]

I'll put in my .02 cents;
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words]-must have!
[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]-gotta get one.
[words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Sizegenetics[/words]- pain in the ass but use it as a phallogenetics!
[words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words]-customer
service sucks! Use the LG hanger sleeves.
I feel for me it's an
anti turtling devise/passive gaining tool.
Malehanger-I have no problems with it once you get the wrap down.
Malehanger clamp-👍
Now all that being said I see a lot of talk about how expensive this or that is. I have family in the machining trades- molds aren't cheap! R&D isn't cheap! And yes some companies prey on our sensitive ego. But it's your dick! if it's too expensive save your money up or don't buy it!

On point, I wish [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] had more customer service people, they would do so much better.

 

[ThatDude512]

I'm 8 1/2" BPFSL and I can use it without a problem, not sure why you think it can't be used beyond 7", but that is not the case for me. But seriously chill out man, everyone else is entitled to their opinion as much as you are entitled to yours. But the fact is that this is the only stretching device approved by the FDA for any reason, and you don't get that badge by being an ineffective pos.

 

[DLD]

I'm 8 1/2" BPFSL and I can use it without a problem, not sure why you think it can't be used beyond 7", but that is not the case for me. But seriously chill out man, everyone else is entitled to their opinion as much as you are entitled to yours. But the fact is that this is the only stretching device approved by the FDA for any reason, and you don't get that badge by being an ineffective pos.

It can and 2Slow was a troll. He is now eliminated completely! No more of his crap! The Brotherhood is a peace once again!

 

[megamike]

It can and 2Slow was a troll. He is now eliminated completely! No more of his crap! The Brotherhood is a peace once again!

I told you he should be banned when he and templnite went on a rant on me a couple weeks ago, so much toxicity

 

[ThatDude512]

Yeah, we don't need that negativity around here. We are here to help each other, not attack one another. He will fit in nicely at some other forums that will remain nameless...

 

[DLD]

Yeah, we don't need that negativity around here. We are here to help each other, not attack one another. He will fit in nicely at some other forums that will remain nameless...

That is it!

We are a family here, a true Brotherhood. We have worked years for this status and it IS A PRIVILEGE to be here. If you abuse this privilege you loose your place in the Brotherhood. We are here to lift each other up, to help each other grow, to give advice and to seek help, we love one another in the same way our Lord loves us! No one will step on this or cast dross upon us, no one can dull our shine and when they try they are quickly eliminated.

 

[growtime]

I just got a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and have had the chance to wear it a couple of days, and I wanted to give my opinion on it since there is a lot of controversy over it in this thread. If you are on the longer side, yes it does have to sit on your hip, but it is not a deal breaker in my opinion. I've managed to get 10 hours a day in at max tension, and the only (slight) discomfort I've had is the base ring bite. The belt and suction bell dig into the hips a little, but are easy to adjust on the fly, and all this combined is not even close to the discomfort of being strapped into my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] at full tension. I struggle to hit four hours a day in a regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], and I'm almost tripling that in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. There is all the tension you could want as well, if the springs max out, you can still tighten the belt and get more. All and all I think this is a great tool and think it's really going to make a difference in my program.

Just FYI I remember the people at [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] saying that we'd see better results if we don't use max pull. I believe the PF gave me about 1/2 inch of my gains and I haven't used it nearly enough. I used it at 1/2 to 2/3 pull most of the time.

I once did an extended pumping session with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Extreme, rested about 2 hours and then wore the PF. I began to get some discomfort and decided to power through it. I then got to power through some blisters for a week. Be vigilant for blisters. Once I got more careful, no problems.

 

[ThatDude512]

Yeah I take it off and check every few hours to make sure I'm good to go, and that's why I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] after using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I feel like that would be asking for trouble pumping before using the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. I have been using [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] for about 2 1/2 years, so high tension isn't a problem for me, low tension wouldn't be very productive in my situation.

 

[DLD]

Just FYI I remember the people at [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] saying that we'd see better results if we don't use max pull. I believe the PF gave me about 1/2 inch of my gains and I haven't used it nearly enough. I used it at 1/2 to 2/3 pull most of the time.

I once did an extended pumping session with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Extreme, rested about 2 hours and then wore the PF. I began to get some discomfort and decided to power through it. I then got to power through some blisters for a week. Be vigilant for blisters. Once I got more careful, no problems.

That is sort of correct on the end that passive, lighter stretching will help cement temporary gains but intensity is needed to make those gains.

 

[ULTIM8GAINZ]

great thread and posts. i'm currently researching the PF, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words], DRT, and [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] as I'm looking to add an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to my routine soon

i'm leaning towards the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] because it is also a foreskin restoration device, which is on my to-do list in PE as well, so it seems to serve as a 2-in-1 device for both stretcher and FR, not to mention it has a wide range of accessories for all kinds of PE options

based on the feedback here PF seems to be the most comfortable [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and all-night stretching. [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] seems to have great suction and stretch, but both quite similar.

the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] and DRT can also apparently do [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] with a strap accessory but it also has foreskin restoration feature, along with options for hanging accessories and possible manual stretching

basically the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] and DRT look like bang for the buck. I mean they essentially do what the PF and [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] can. The only difference I can see based on the info i've gathered so far is the all-night-stretching of the PF, but then again the PF doesn't have the foreskin restoration and other PE options like the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] or DRT

so right now [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] is my leading candidate

 

[DLD]

great thread and posts. i'm currently researching the PF, the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words], DRT, and [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] as I'm looking to add an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to my routine soon

i'm leaning towards the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] because it is also a foreskin restoration device, which is on my to-do list in PE as well, so it seems to serve as a 2-in-1 device for both stretcher and FR, not to mention it has a wide range of accessories for all kinds of PE options

based on the feedback here PF seems to be the most comfortable [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and all-night stretching. [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] seems to have great suction and stretch, but both quite similar.

the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] and DRT can also apparently do [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] with a strap accessory but it also has foreskin restoration feature, along with options for hanging accessories and possible manual stretching

basically the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] and DRT look like bang for the buck. I mean they essentially do what the PF and [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] can. The only difference I can see based on the info i've gathered so far is the all-night-stretching of the PF, but then again the PF doesn't have the foreskin restoration and other PE options like the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] or DRT

so right now [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] is my leading candidate

Same in a passive senese but not in an active sense. There is active and passive stretching. the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] on it's own is passive, it will help secure current gains through cementing but will not bring additional gains. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMasterPro[/words] is both passive and active so it will help you gain while cementing those gains. And the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMasterPro[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] are very much alike.

 

[ULTIM8GAINZ]

Same in a passive senese but not in an active sense. There is active and passive stretching. the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] on it's own is passive, it will help secure current gains through cementing but will not bring additional gains. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMasterPro[/words] is both passive and active so it will help you gain while cementing those gains. And the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMasterPro[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] are very much alike.

How is [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] not active? And by active do u mean more pulling tension? If that's the case the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] also has a leg strap mod and also a hanger along with dozens of other options

 

[DLD]

How is [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] not active? And by active do u mean more pulling tension? If that's the case the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] also has a leg strap mod and also a hanger along with dozens of other options

The intensity is too light to bring steady gains, it is very useable with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] as an attachment, but alone it is simply a passive device.

 

[huge-girth]

I'd like to get a suction product for length. I did a ton of research and reading on the forums, but the more I read the more undecided I am.

My main goal is to have something to grip the head of my penis, comfortably and preferably for a long time. I currently have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words], but I'm looking for something a little more comfortable. I can get comfortable in the LD and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], but it can take a long time to get it right, or I'm sitting there trying to get a good wrap instead of actually doing PE.
I also enjoy manual stretching but sometimes I don't feel a strong enough pull with just my hands, or my fingers can get sore/tired. So suction sounds like a good idea to try, right?

I'm also interested in restoring my foreskin, so it'd be nice if the product I buy does that as well.

AB Silicone:
I like the look of their site and their products and price, but I've read that they don't ship sometimes, or it takes months, and they have no customer service.

VacADS from autoxtender:
Their site looks like it's from 1996, it's hard to navigate and they have a couple different versions and it's a bit confusing, and I don't see many reviews.

Phallosan:
Extremely expensive, but I'm willing to pay if it's that much more worth it. Some people say it's really comfortable, other say it's given them irritation or blisters.
Why is it so much more expensive than other suction products? Is there a modification for the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] for foreskin restoration?

VLC [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words]:
This looks like it might be the best option for me, and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] advertises it, but I still wonder why it's cheaper than the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]. The biggest difference I see is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] has a spring mechanism and the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] and others are more like bungie cord. But pulling is pulling, regardless if there's springs, right?

Thanks everyone!

I will advice you focus on allowing your penis to adapt to the feel of the length master. No need for those extenders. Just wrap with 20 inches length of the thick bandage that comes with the length master. Wrap the yellow theraband over the penis and then wrap the bandage on top of it, that's all for wrapping. Your body will need to adapt to the feel and stretch of the length master. This adaptation period should be around 2 weeks to maximum 1 month for you.