Phallosan or penimaster pro

[eugine8plz]

Which do you guys prefer? What are your guys thoughts on both of these tools?

 

[eugine8plz]

I owened both and sold my pf. The pf is made of cheap material and doesnt give a good stretch. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] is made of good materials and really comfortable and gives a real good stretch. And with the package you get a stretcher and a belt. So you have options. And you can sleep with it also. And the belt you get gives you more options then the pf belt. The pf only pulls to the side. And i used the pf for almost a year and gained notta thing but a lighter pocket book..

Thanks for your input 2slow! can the coupling socket be used on other [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words]? i have my own X4 labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and was hoping that if i were to purchase the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] i could just buy the upgrade kit (comes with coupling socket and belt), use my own [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] if i wanted to and save some money instead of buying the complete set. Also, have you seen any gains since you have started using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]??

 

[eugine8plz]

so if the rods on my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] are too small for the coupling socket then i can put tape around the rods and make it so that the socket can fit on the rods. I think if i do end up buying this (not in my near future but it is a possibility) then I'm going to have to do that because i believe that x4 rods are the same size as the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods.

 

[eugine8plz]

Tell you what bro, ill help a brother out..if you buy the glan peice i have my original pm stretcher ill give you to help you out. Just pay for shipping is all i ask..when you get it just let me know..hope this will help you..

Wow bro that's so generous thank you so much! I'm gonna have to save up and put aside a bit of cash before I buy it though aha. I think I'm gonna buy the upgrade kit #1 and then buy a belt off of eBay for cheap. I'll PM you in a bit about some details, thanks again bro!

 

[eugine8plz]

No problem bro!! Glade i can help

Have you seen any gains with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]? If so what were they?!

 

[eugine8plz]

Yes i have! I stopped gaining when i was using the pf. Very frustrating. So i went a very long time not gaining and when i swtiched to the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] i gained a 1/4 in about 9 months..i know that doesnt sound like Alot but after not gaining for a long time its a lot to me. It got me to the measurement i want. And i think gaining a 1/4 of a inch isnt to bad considering i gained 2" prior to that using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words] and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegentics[/words].. i want to go alittle beyond my measurement to make sure i keep what i worked hard for..slow and steady but the turtle does win the race!

Ya that's really good especially after gaining 2" already! I've been doing pe for a bit over a year now and I've only had about .25" gain but i think it was because I never used too much intensity and I think that the key to me gaining is a lot of intensity. I Hope that I start gaining soon though and maybe the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] will bring me these gains that I am wishing for! I may order it around Christmas time.

 

[eugine8plz]

You will gain bro! Its all about how much time you put into it. If you do 4hrs your not gonna gain as if you do 8hrs. With the stretcher you can put in more hours. Constancy is the key and never over do it. Listen to your soldier he wont lie and tell you if your doing to much or if you can do more..doing pe isnt a fast journy but a long one. Its a life style..peace

Ya and with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] I won't have to take it off every 1-1.5 hours like I have to do with my x4 labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] right now.

 

[eugine8plz]

You def wont have to. I dont take mine off unless i need to pee..i think you will like the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. Its the most comfortable stretcher ive used and it actually stretches..when ever you want me to send that to you just let me know..but remeber im using the end peice on my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegentics[/words] but all else is there..and the rods on the pm is pretty long so thats a good thing and its light because its made out of aluminum..

Alright! Ya I'm going to need to get the belt system for it too for when I do placement for school. My next placement for school I'm going to be doing a decent amount of movement so I'm going to need to use the belt during that and then when I'm at work or home I can use either the belt or the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

 

[truant]

I own both and I prefer the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] over the penis master pro. The pf is more comfortable and easier to put on. I do use the penis master pro face plate with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell with my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] and it's great. I had to grind down the inner grooves of the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] faceplate to fit the neck of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell.

Then I just use a small piece of cotton to protect the tip of the glans and a soft white silicon sleeve bought separate rather than the sleeves it came with. I cut the sleeves short too and the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] still holds suction. You can also use skin lotions and thick petroleum jelly like creams like eucerin with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell.

With the penis master those creams will deteriorate the latex parts it has and would have to resort to lubricants than your skin may not agree with all the time and you won't even get as much comfort.

 

[DLD]

The best route, IMO, is the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] coupled with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to create the PhalloGenetics<<<

 

[kyomoto]

The best route, IMO, is the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] coupled with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to create the PhalloGenetics<<<

What a COMBO!

 

[kyomoto]

Why would one spend 700$ or better when the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] gives you everything in one package? And the glan peice is better and faster to put on. And the glan peice is for the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] is more concealable then the pf. The pump peice on the pf is bulky and long..

hmmmmmmm right you're right

 

[truant]

Truant how do you use the face plate with your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegentics[/words]? The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods are skinner. I had sleeves made so i could use the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegentics[/words] with the face plate. Are you using tape? And i cant believe you like the pf better. Its made cheap and doesnt give a good stretch at all. Maybe thats why you think its more comfortable. I feel the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] is more comfortable even with the good stretch from the stretcher. And the arms break on the pf and the clip pops off anytime you try and get a good stretch. You cant even get a good enough stretch to get past your hip..if you try the cheap plastic arms will break. And the belt system sucks! And the ring that goes around your shaft ends up burning and it only allows you to pull to the side..and the arm peice and pump stick out to the sides. to many negatives with the pf..its a cheap slap together product.

I'm using the face plate that came with the penis master pro kit with my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words]. The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods are made to fit with penis master pro face plate. The only thing I did was file down the penis master face plate so the neck of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell just below the pump snaps into the penis pro face plate just like the actual penis master pro suction bell does.

I use the smallest bell the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] came with and I use thick petroleum jelly like ointment to slide in and a small piece of cotton to protect the tip of the glans. My glans would not fit in the smallest bell without the ointment so I make sure to carry a small pocket size version of the cream when I'm out of the house. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] holds very firm even when you pull hard. It even seams like it gains in suction the longer you wear the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell. For example I'll pull right after I put it on and I can see some air does get between the tip of glans and roof of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] suction bell. But whats amazing is if you keep it on then pull it again after some time it's like the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] has really gripped my glans to the fullest and theirs no air pockets. On top of that my glans dont even have to go all the way in the bell and it grips like none other I've ever seen not even with the penis master pro and the comfort is unmatched.

Although you have to condition your glans with the suction bell for a while without using any tention which is what I'm doing now. I can wear the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell all night without any blisters if I have no tension on it and just the bell. You can't do that with the penis master, or if anything it would take longer to condition yourself.

 

[truant]

The best route, IMO, is the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] coupled with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] to create the PhalloGenetics<<<

Yess the phallogenetics lol I just wish the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] came with a custom [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] face plate so the bell can really snap into place. Cause I think I have to grind down my penis master pro face plate a little more the neck of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell sometimes slips out but it should be nice and snug once I smooth the inner edges of the penis pro face plate. It's hard to grind down hard plastic with a metal file lol.

 

[eugine8plz]

The size gentics rods are smaller then the pm rods..ill take a pic and prove that in a little bit. Thats why i had to have sleeves made to use mine. And yes you can sleep with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] also..and the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] pro i never slipped or had to reattach. And if you think the pf is more comfortable then the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] then i guess thats all preference. Because i feel the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] is the most comfortable stretcher out hands down wouldnt sell my mine..im gonna post a pic of my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegentics[/words] with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] face plate..maybe were talking about 2 different things..

Yes please post it 2slow!

 

[truant]

No problem bro..one thing im not is a liar and i dont sell products. And ill keep it real about any pe product i used. Ill be posting it in a few min.. amd did you notice he said of no tesion on it and he hasnt put tension on it. And if he does there is such little difference in the tesion you wont notice it. And you cant keep hlaf your glan in there also. And the longer its on you loose suction also..so im not sure he owns both or either one for that matter. Not calling anyone a liar but what he says is not true. Ill post pics in about 15min

I see what your saying now. You think that [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods need to have a perfect snug fit with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate. I'm not sure why because I use the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate and it's the same thing it never falls off cause the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell neck snaps on to the faceplate regardless and makes everything stay in place. Even the regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] plate will slide off if there's nothing on it so I don't see the need for you to have a perfectly snug fit between the rods and plate not even the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] face plate is like that and the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is pretty much the same it just snaps onto the rods and will slip off off course with nothing attached just like the face plate that came with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words].

You say I don't feel tension I'm not sure why you don't feel any with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. I was using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] setup but my glans weren't conditioned to these types of vacuum devices and I pulled a blister just after an hour. The tension was just like [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] except more comfortable. I'm also not a huge fan of the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] sluices and it's a hassle to put on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] bell as you always need a hand pump unless you want to drop a lung lol. I just don't like the way I had to use those lubricants that dried out my glands and even then I don't like how tightly the bell gripped me even though I was below 5g pressure and felt like it was pinching me.

When I was putting on my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] while semi hard only half of my glands went in and it still gripped me tight and was simple to put on and had no pinching. All I felt in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] was my penis being stretched and the guitar string like tension while wearing it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. Although I would have never thought about using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] faceplate with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] if I never got the 2 products.

2slow you know I'm not using any belts right I'm just snapping the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] neck into the wider [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate that I customized so it works just like the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] except easier to put on.

 

[truant]

The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] gains pressure over time if you keep pumping it every now and again. You may not get a perfect snug fit at first but you can play around with the size of the cotton balls or just keep pumping a couple times each hour. I think that's the beauty of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], it grips you just enough to keep you in. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] was harsh on my glands and I couldn't use creams or lotions because it would deteriorate the sluices on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words].

I'm wearing the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell now and it wasn't giving me a great hold at first like usual but after a couple of pumps after putting it on is when the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] suction bell really starts to take hold and you can start pulling on it and doing manual stretches with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] where I pull harder than if I were wearing it with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words].

 

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Sorry but cant see you using the face plate with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words]. Because the stretcher does move and when it does it will pop out of the arms..i went through it already and thats why i had those sleeves made. And i agree with you about the hand ball it sucks. But with the hose its stupid simple to put on. And you wont blow out a lung. You barley have to suck on it to draw yourself in. I can get it on in 3 seconds or less and take it off in a sec. And i cant believe you say that the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] pinchs you. Seeing your using the small bell on the pf..and the pf would chaf my glan. I call snake dick because my glan would peel like snake skin and the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] you said did that to you but i never got that from the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]..and i never had my diaframs or sluiths deteriorate. And i cant believe also you lube up before going into the pf and it hold you in. If the condom gets even alittle greasy it will slip. And your supposed to keep it dry with powder so there is no slipping. And if moisture gets in the bell you will get blisters. And i guess when it comes to comfort and how easy it goes on is preference on the person. All i know its easier for me and takes less time to put on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] and to take it off and the comfort level is alot better with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] to me. No more stretching the condom over the bell and no more rolling up the condom and pinch taking it off. If you dont mind me asking what is you glan size to be using the small? And to be using it when your hard? And you know your supposed to use it flaccid right?

Ah I picked up what your saying with the differences between the regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] face plate and the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate. I know it sucks the pf doesn't come with a custom plate. Where did you get these custom rods if I may ask?

Your right about the blisters and moisture as well with the pf. I'm trying to overcome that with small amounts of ointment and thicker pieces of cotton and conditioning.

Going back to the differences in face plates. Isn't the pf stretching the same length as the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] because I mean I'm using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate with with pf and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods so the necks of the 2 devices snap into the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate at a similar height? Do you use the custom rods that you had made with your [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]?

I forgot my glan size but the medium pf bell was way too big to be seriously wearing all the time. The small bell is interesting because if I use a dab of ointment I can ease into it and allowed maybe a faint pump or 2 at the start you can see the little pump is trying to grip the cotton and my glands below. At this time the pf suction is fairly weak.

I'll wait maybe a minute and do a few more fast pumps to get the extra air out and this is when it seams to finally gets a hold and can be pulled hard with your hand and won't lose its suction. I even have holes in my sleeve lol.

 

[DLD]

DLD, why would someone want to buy 2 expensive products to make one good one? You would be about 700$ in to it when the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] gives you a stretcher glan peice and a belt. And the glan peice is much better then the pf not to mention quality. Most cant even get there glan into the large bell of the pf. I sold my pf and felt guilty for doing so. But the guy needed it for the stainless arms i had made because he also was breaking them..

Why? Because it is an awesome modification. And if you were aware of the Brotherhood you would know that we give away a tool every month so even someone with no money can win. And in addition, I have helped many who just don't have the money get what they need. So it does not need to cost $700, it could be created for for $200 if he wins the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words].

 

[DLD]

Yess the phallogenetics lol I just wish the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] came with a custom [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] face plate so the bell can really snap into place. Cause I think I have to grind down my penis master pro face plate a little more the neck of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell sometimes slips out but it should be nice and snug once I smooth the inner edges of the penis pro face plate. It's hard to grind down hard plastic with a metal file lol.

Definitely a super modification but one that can be made eventually. I would purchase one piece at a time.

 

[DLD]

hmmmmmmm right you're right

You have the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]?

 

[truant]

The tension and grip may be better with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] but it was too harsh on glands in my opinion and it was a nuisance I couldn't even get the little pump it came with to work I had to use a gage pump and tape the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] hose to gage pump.

The pf is nice cause I can use my ointment and a small piece of cotton ball is cheap and can save you from blisters.

 

[DLD]

The tension and grip may be better but it was too harsh on glands in my opinion and it was a nuisance I couldn't even get the little pump it came with to work I had to use a gage pump and tape the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] hose to gage pump.

The pf is nice cause I can use my ointment and a small piece of cotton ball is cheap and can save you from blisters.

You have both? Nice. so between the two you prefer the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

 

[truant]

Why? Because it is an awesome modification. And if you were aware of the Brotherhood you would know that we give away a tool every month so even someone with no money can win. And in addition, I have helped many who just don't have the money get what they need. So it does not need to cost $700, it could be created for for $200 if he wins the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words].

Exactly and besides the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] website sells spare parts so someone can just pick up a penis master pro face plate. Although I'm not sure if you have to buy the entire penis master pro kit in order to buy spare parts from them.

 

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Yes i use the 2 sleeves that slide over my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] rods. That way it ends up being the same thickness as the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] rods. Otherwise if you dont because the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sg[/words] rods are smaller when you walk or do something the stretcher moves and the rods end up popping out of the face plate..and the blisters you might be getting them from the ointment. When i had mine i noticed if it get moisture in the bell it will give you blisters or whay i call snake dick. (Chaffing on the glan) your supposed to keep it as dry as possible..i never get snake dick or blisters with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. But if im stretching really hard i may bruise the bottom of my glan but goes away fairly fast. But i also hang a hour a day with lg hanger and when i use some heavier weight it also bruises the bottom of my glan. But i dont worry about it because it goes away pretty fast. So im gonna assume your using small bell and comdom? If so Have you tried using the medium bell with the small condom? The little extra room will help build the glan size also..between the lg hanger the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] and pumping my glan got bigger to the point its bigger then my shaft and i barely can get it into the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. Im also gonna have to get another hanger because of the same reason. If your using the small condom you might wanna try that with the medium bell..

I thought you were talking about how the regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] face plate would me longer than the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate. But your saying it just pops off. That's strange cause I wore it around my house under lose pants and it never poped off. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate snaps on the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] bars pretty good and is similar to the regular plate in my opinion but it got me thinking if the regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] plate is longer. Something I will have to test.

Yes the blisters are a problem but if I don't use tension I can wear the pf bell overnight very comfortably without blisters and I use ointment and lots of it those times. It only seems to happen with tension but I'm hoping time and conditioning and the dry cotton will protect against the possible moisture blisters.

That's a good routine I want to get the lg hanger now lol. And yes I use a soft white sleeve I bought separately and the small bell. The problem with the medium bell is it doesn't provide the grip for me. I'm amazed at how big the biggest bell is in the pf it's huge I don't know how guys use that. Maybe because I'm using the small bell I'm abl to get good suction and tension idk.

 

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Yes i agree the pump with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] sucks!! But if you got the hose its stupid simple and super fast to put on..sorry you couldnt give me another pf. To many flaws with it..besides with the arms and pump on it it makes it long then you put that in a stretcher makes it longer and noticable..like i said guess it all depends on the individual to what they like..

I'm not sure about the pf being longer. Like I said I would have to test that. If only the pf would make a custome [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] face plate it would come out ahead of the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words].

 

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Definitely a super modification but one that can be made eventually. I would purchase one piece at a time.[/QUOTE

Yes DLD, I believe [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] to be the superior modification over the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] becauae you can put the pf on anywhere without carrying a hand pump that you use for a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words] with you lol.

 

[eugine8plz]

Why? Because it is an awesome modification. And if you were aware of the Brotherhood you would know that we give away a tool every month so even someone with no money can win. And in addition, I have helped many who just don't have the money get what they need. So it does not need to cost $700, it could be created for for $200 if he wins the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words].

I thought uo couldn't win the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] from the monthly poster giveaway??

 

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You have both? Nice. so between the two you prefer the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]?

Over the penis master pro or [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] I would have to pick the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words].

The problem with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is you have to use those sex lubricants to get in the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] and a big hand pump that you use with a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words].

Those lubes dry out your skin overtime especially for people with sensitive skin.

The regular creams and lotions will degrade the sluices on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] I seen it happen. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is nice hard plastic and can take a beating and the whole system is more outside of the house friendly.

 

[DLD]

I thought uo couldn't win the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] from the monthly poster giveaway??

Really? Wow, OK, let me redo the math. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] is $339, with the free condoms it is $239. So for $239 you can create the PhalloGenetics if you win a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words].

 

[DLD]

Lmao..you dont have to use the pump. YOU USE THE HOSE. and never got dry skin from the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]..i only got snake skin from the pf..and its not more outside the house friendly. Lol..and the pf is made out of the cheapest plastic there is..and from the bell to the end of the pump and the long arms its def alot longer..i owned both of them and im sorry i dont think you have by the way you say stuff about it..i proved the arms or smalller in diameter then the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] arms. And there is so much slop the face plate will fall off..you say things that arent even true! Sorry but keeping it reall. And the pf cam take a beating? Give me a break..those plastic cheap arms are kown to break! And the pump is also known to go to shit..And besides you cant even Comment on the comfort any ways. You say you use it with out tesion. That means your not even using it..but your gonna comment on the confort of it? Lol..please dont because your giving bs info..ive had mine on for 8hrs in the rack and stretching hard and only took it off once to pee and never had a problem with it and if it wasnt comfortable i wouldnt be able to do that either. I doubt you own the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. And im doubting you have the pf also. Because of the things you said. The small i couldnt get my middle finger in it and thw large isnt large at all. And you def dont use lube with the pf. Because if the condom gets a little grease it will slip..

It really makes no difference to the Brotherhood financially as we are a partner with [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] as we are with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] but you really seem to be trying to really tear apart the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words], why so desperate in this? Are you affiliated with them in some way? I am confused on your attacks. The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] would NOT be here if it were not a quality product. So saying they use cheap materials, which is simply not true, is only furthering my suspicion of your motives.

 

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Lmao..you dont have to use the pump. YOU USE THE HOSE. and never got dry skin from the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]..i only got snake skin from the pf..and its not more outside the house friendly. Lol..and the pf is made out of the cheapest plastic there is..and from the bell to the end of the pump and the long arms its def alot longer..i owned both of them and im sorry i dont think you have by the way you say stuff about it..i proved the arms or smalller in diameter then the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] arms. And there is so much slop the face plate will fall off..you say things that arent even true! Sorry but keeping it reall. And the pf cam take a beating? Give me a break..those plastic cheap arms are kown to break! And the pump is also known to go to shit..And besides you cant even Comment on the comfort any ways. You say you use it with out tesion. That means your not even using it..but your gonna comment on the confort of it? Lol..please dont because your giving bs info..ive had mine on for 8hrs in the rack and stretching hard and only took it off once to pee and never had a problem with it and if it wasnt comfortable i wouldnt be able to do that either. I doubt you own the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. And im doubting you have the pf also. Because of the things you said. The small i couldnt get my middle finger in it and thw large isnt large at all. And you def dont use lube with the pf. Because if the condom gets a little grease it will slip..

Ok so you use the hose then what? You need suction for the hose and where do you get that?.. your lungs? I'm a healthy young man and even with tons of lube I cannot create near enough force to suck my glands into the penis master pro. What about people with disabilities how are they going to use all that force in there lungs to put the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] on plus you have to carry a hose with you outside the house if you manage to do it.

I had the worst glands skin problems I ever had with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] with the types of lubricants you have to use with it. Ad least with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] my glands stay healthy and encased in the ointment and not in some dry bell like the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] with lubricant that's supposed to be washed off immediately. Both products have there flaws.

I believe the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] is easier to work with and modify to my personal liking. With the suction issues you can try using a longer sleeve or more firm but I use the soft white sleeves and have little probems. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate with pf never came off for me or I would get those custom rods you speak of.

I'm wearing the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell right now for conditioning before I go in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and it's not perfect. It loses suction if you pull hard but that may be because of my sleeve. It seams if I lightly grip the sleeve just below the pf bell it will trap air and can be pulled hard. Some kind of clamping device would be nice. I tryed a black cock ring and I wasn't enough. And I tried a hose clamp but it wouldn't clamp far enough to trap the air under the sleeve.

 

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See you do loose suction and your not even strechting yet. And it doesnt take alot of sucking power to draw into the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]. In fact i barley suck on it at all. Its stupid easy. And my glan isnt dry in the bell of the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] either. You lube before going in. Im gonna leave this post alone because its not getting any were..PEACE!!

What lube did you use the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] with? Cause that was an issue for me with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. Ointments like eucerin degraded the latex sluices and diaphrams for me.

It's not stupid easy to use your lungs with the tube to pull your glands into the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] bell. I hand to use a hand pump with a gage on it used for penis pumps. I remember others who had the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] doing this too it was a veteran member who used a the pump with the handles and gage. This has been discussed that's why everyone is moving on to the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and trying to make it work. I'm sorry you sold yours lol.

 

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The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] does have good suction. Even if you were to get a fancy mini pocket sized pump for the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] to attach to the tube and use outside.

The problem with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is the latex sluices degrade when used with creams for people with sensetive skin.

2slow you don't read. I've tryed many times using the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] with my preferred method of using the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] with the penis master pro face plate and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] combo.

I use nice soft sleeves and ointment and pieces of cotton ball to protect my glands. When stretching in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] it's exactly like the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] except now I can use my precious ointments with the hard plastic of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] bell.

The suction with the pf stays for hours when used with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and is easily taken off and put back on without using a tube like with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words].

If I can find some kind of good adjustable clamp which I'm sure I can the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] might be perfect.

About the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods and [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate. Both faces plates are very similar to the regular [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] face plate except the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] plate snaps on.

It doesn't fall off the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods I never heard of such thing and it's never happened to me once when using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods with [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] or pf.

 

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Since i ran out of the lube that came with it, the closet thing i could find wich works pretty good is ky jelly. The jelly not the waterbase stuff. And it seems to work pretty good. And it hasnt hurt my sluiths nor diaframes.The stuff that came with it id rather have but not gonna order it till i need more sluiths amd diaframs. Dont know why you had a problem using the hose. It takes me maybe 3sec to put on. And 1sec to take off..and the hose isnt a problem to bring with its a small hose. And like i said i wear mine between 8 and 10hrs a day. And take it off maybe 2 times a day. So not a big deal. You had to buy an expensive stretcher the pf to modify it to work with a stretcher. Makes alot of sense doesnt it. You must have money to burn. Lol. Can you post a pic of your stretcher and your [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words]? Listen bro not gonna fight or argue with you, its not why im here bro. You like yours and i like mine..you probably like steak while i prefer chicken or fish.. glad your happy with yours..good luck with your journy bro. I really mean that..

That's what I'm saying I can't use those types of lubes. I'm not knocking the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], it's a good alternative that doesn't require a sleeve and it gives good suction but yeah I just can't use my lungs to put it on lol.

That's strange the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate slips off the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods for you. I see the picture but I've looked at the picture and wore the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods and it never slipped off.

Although one end may snap off depending on the way I sit so I just snap it back. The custom rods sounds like a good idea then. You never said where you got it done.

 

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That's what I'm saying I can't use those types of lubes. I'm not knocking the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], it's a good alternative that doesn't require a sleeve and it gives good suction but yeah I just can't use my lungs to put it on lol.

That's strange the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] face plate slips off the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] rods for you. I see the picture but I've looked at the picture and wore the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]size genetics[/words] rods and it never slipped off.

Although one end may snap off depending on the way I sit so I just snap it back. The custom rods sounds like a good idea then. You never said where you got it done.

So you finally decided on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]?

 

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So you finally decided on the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]?

what other option is best in terms of money saving

 

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what other option is best in terms of money saving

It really depends on what you want to do with it. The [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] is the least expensive and I think gives the most bang for your buck but there are some things that the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] lacks that the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] and/or the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] has. For instance the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] can be worn through the night. The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] gives you many options that are not available on the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] or the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. Intensity in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] or [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is strongest when compared to [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]. There are two ways to gain length with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] devices, long less intense sessions or short more intense sessions, both bring gains in different ways. The best advice I can give is research progress threads and get a good spectrum of advice from many sources.

 

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Which do you guys prefer? What are your guys thoughts on both of these tools?

SiliStretcher

 

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SiliStretcher

Yup