REDZULU2003
Well-known member
Imagine it ... perhaps not but a scuffle to the nearest toilet or plant pot would be in order.
OFFICIAL how to effectively do a reverse kegel? Reverse kegel Help thread
When I first heard of kegels and the importance of doing them as there are many benefits, I didn't take me long to figure out how to do a proper kegel. You first learn how to do a kegel properly by going to the bathroom and squeezing so that it stops the urine flow and that is how you know if you did a kegel properly.
So after reading through the forums many members will testify to kegel as much as you can during the day, while your driving, at work, bathroom etc.... Now many members are saying to kegel while doing Penis Enlargement manual exercises as well as kegel while using devices like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. So I started implementing kegels while using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and manual exercises.
Now for the reverse kegel. As the word states it's the opposite of the kegel. Wasn't too sure how to do a proper reverse kegel but one of the members on these forums stated that go to the washroom do a kegel to stop the urine flow, then push out so the urine starts again and this is what a reverse kegel is.
As DLD states reverse kegels are a big part of Penis Enlargement and exercises like the DLD Blasters.
My question would it also be wise to do reverse kegels throughout the day while driving, at work and also while doing maual penis exercises, using devices like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]?
P.S. If you have to go for a dump, I highly recommed not doing a reverse kegel as they are pretty intense lol
So after reading through the forums many members will testify to kegel as much as you can during the day, while your driving, at work, bathroom etc.... Now many members are saying to kegel while doing Penis Enlargement manual exercises as well as kegel while using devices like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. So I started implementing kegels while using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and manual exercises.
Now for the reverse kegel. As the word states it's the opposite of the kegel. Wasn't too sure how to do a proper reverse kegel but one of the members on these forums stated that go to the washroom do a kegel to stop the urine flow, then push out so the urine starts again and this is what a reverse kegel is.
As DLD states reverse kegels are a big part of Penis Enlargement and exercises like the DLD Blasters.
My question would it also be wise to do reverse kegels throughout the day while driving, at work and also while doing maual penis exercises, using devices like [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]?
P.S. If you have to go for a dump, I highly recommed not doing a reverse kegel as they are pretty intense lol
Hi All,
I've been a member of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] for a few years but just kinda looked around. I started giving Penis Enlargement daily practice 4 weeks ago. I can't seem to figure out reverse kegels. I've read through various descriptions but I still don't know when I'm the flexing the PC or BC. I've tried to pay attention and experiment when urinating, to feel myself stopping or pushing the flow. Honestly it feels like the same contraction both ways. Help? Thanks.
I've been a member of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] for a few years but just kinda looked around. I started giving Penis Enlargement daily practice 4 weeks ago. I can't seem to figure out reverse kegels. I've read through various descriptions but I still don't know when I'm the flexing the PC or BC. I've tried to pay attention and experiment when urinating, to feel myself stopping or pushing the flow. Honestly it feels like the same contraction both ways. Help? Thanks.
I am not a doctor **warning** LOL
From what I have been reading. "Kegels" flex all of the muscles of the pelvic floor simultaneously to one degree or another. (The PC,BC, and IC) You may hear varying arguments on what it feels like to "isolate" one from the other, and there may be ways to "stress" or contract on of the three main muscle groups in varying intensities, depending on position, technique, or focus, but apparently from what I have read from doctors, the nerves which cause contraction in the pelvic floor, contract the PC,BC, and IC at the same time.
Furthermore, I can find no evidence or description of any muscles which work in the opposite direction of the pelvic floor muscles. In simple terms, there are no other muscles in the pelvic floor area which will stretch, the opposite of contraction, the PC,BC, or IC. Muscles do not have a "stretching" or "elongation" function. For example, the biceps can not stretch itself, an opposing muscle, in this case the triceps, must contract to stretch the relaxed biceps. Since there are no "triceps" analogous muscles in the pelvic floor area, to stretch them, (at least by using other muscle contractions and not by external force on the penis for example) another group of muscles outside of the pelvic muscles outside of the pelvic area must me used.
According to a couple of articles from doctor's that I have read, the only way to "stretch" or elongate the pelvic floor area by using muscular contraction is by contracting the abdominals. I am guessing that this contraction of the abdominals simply squeezes enough of the organs and intestines to place a "downward" force upon all of the muscles in the pelvic floor area. Like squeezing a tube of tooth paste
Anyway, a legend around here, recently casually stated that a reverse kegel may be like taking a crap. And that probably is the best and most simple explanation after all. Forcefully pushing out an imaginary large turd (or trying to pee very hard) may be the best description of a true "reverse kegel". But this muscular action certainly is not done by the PC, BC, or IC.
Hope that helps. I am sure someone else will chime in to say that I am a moron
Tom
From what I have been reading. "Kegels" flex all of the muscles of the pelvic floor simultaneously to one degree or another. (The PC,BC, and IC) You may hear varying arguments on what it feels like to "isolate" one from the other, and there may be ways to "stress" or contract on of the three main muscle groups in varying intensities, depending on position, technique, or focus, but apparently from what I have read from doctors, the nerves which cause contraction in the pelvic floor, contract the PC,BC, and IC at the same time.
Furthermore, I can find no evidence or description of any muscles which work in the opposite direction of the pelvic floor muscles. In simple terms, there are no other muscles in the pelvic floor area which will stretch, the opposite of contraction, the PC,BC, or IC. Muscles do not have a "stretching" or "elongation" function. For example, the biceps can not stretch itself, an opposing muscle, in this case the triceps, must contract to stretch the relaxed biceps. Since there are no "triceps" analogous muscles in the pelvic floor area, to stretch them, (at least by using other muscle contractions and not by external force on the penis for example) another group of muscles outside of the pelvic muscles outside of the pelvic area must me used.
According to a couple of articles from doctor's that I have read, the only way to "stretch" or elongate the pelvic floor area by using muscular contraction is by contracting the abdominals. I am guessing that this contraction of the abdominals simply squeezes enough of the organs and intestines to place a "downward" force upon all of the muscles in the pelvic floor area. Like squeezing a tube of tooth paste
Anyway, a legend around here, recently casually stated that a reverse kegel may be like taking a crap. And that probably is the best and most simple explanation after all. Forcefully pushing out an imaginary large turd (or trying to pee very hard) may be the best description of a true "reverse kegel". But this muscular action certainly is not done by the PC, BC, or IC.
Hope that helps. I am sure someone else will chime in to say that I am a moron
Tom
4amber;471209 said:
If you are flexing the PC, BC, OR the IC, (actually contracting), you are contracting PC,BC, AND, the IC. They work together because of they all respond to the same impulse. Contracting these muscles is a kegel.
A "reverse kegel" has nothing to do with these muscles. Fibrous muscles ONLY contract, they cannot "expand or elongate" by impulse. They can either contract through impulse or relax back to their normal state when not stimulated.
Pay particular attention to your lower abs when doing the pee thing. When you stop the flow, you will probably at least feel a tightening of the anus and lifting/tightening sensation between your anus and scrotum. That is the kegel. (dealing with the PC, BC, and IC) When you forcefully pee hard you will, or should feel some tightening of the lower abs (over and across you lower intestines) and a slight downward pressure from your anus to your scrotum. That would be what I think is a reverse kegel. Does that make sense? When you do a kegel, you will notice, that there is no contraction of the lower abs. If you focus on only the pelvic floor, it will be hard to discern, what is doing what, because there is some movement in that area either way, one of the pelvic floor rising (in a kegel) and one of the pelvic floor lowering (in a reverse kegel). But the focusing on the lower abs should be able to show you which is which, because they play no role in the kegel, and play the primary role in the reverse kegel.
Tom
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
4amber;471209 said:
To make this simple. A kegel is when you hold a piss, that is a kegel essentially.
You can do these whenever you like, as many times as you like throughout the day and does not need to be when you urinate but that is a good example of how it works.
Reverse kegel is when you shit or fart. It is odd to practice it on feeling obviously, you may fear shitting or farting yourself but with practice it is easy and nothing bad occurs. Its done often when you have sex and it removes the sensation from the penis so you last longer, very powerful.
What Irspow is talking about is the inner workings to the two movements but it sounds more complex then it needs to. I think the reverse kegel is different set of muscles to what works the typical kegel, with the RK being more linked in with the anal area of muscle groups.
Somehow it must act in reverse to when the other pelvic floor muscles are activated.
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
You see though it doesn't work like that. Once you have worked the RK so much like I have, when you do it you don't just start farting and shitting everywhere. Its hard to describe the way it works or the feeling but it works!! Also you dont hold the contraction long, I do them for 3-5 seconds at the most then rest a few and repeat. Its not like a kegel where you can push for like a minute.
Nah, Red...I was just making a sort of "joke" or catchy phrase is all. After reading some of what you said and concatenating it with what some doctors have said, I have found, for myself anyway, what works for me.
I have done what feels like to me is like trying to force out a turd when approaching orgasm, and the "urge" disappears almost instantly. (I can even feel blood leaving my erection when I do this, softening my erection slightly) Doing this while edging, makes it much easier to keep stimulation almost constant with no fear of going past the "point of no return"
I can already say that I can put this to good use with a partner...if I ever have another partner that is
By the way...thanks again for helping me to clarify this stuff for myself...YOU ARE THE MAN!
I have done what feels like to me is like trying to force out a turd when approaching orgasm, and the "urge" disappears almost instantly. (I can even feel blood leaving my erection when I do this, softening my erection slightly) Doing this while edging, makes it much easier to keep stimulation almost constant with no fear of going past the "point of no return"
I can already say that I can put this to good use with a partner...if I ever have another partner that is
By the way...thanks again for helping me to clarify this stuff for myself...YOU ARE THE MAN!
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
I have done what feels like to me is like trying to force out a turd when approaching orgasm, and the "urge" disappears almost instantly. (I can even feel blood leaving my erection when I do this, softening my erection slightly) Doing this while edging, makes it much easier to keep stimulation almost constant with no fear of going past the "point of no return"
^ SPOT ON - Well described this is what I get
Hey Red,
Thanks again for your help in getting my head wrapped around the reverse kegel. (I know that I am too analytical, but that is a good thing sometimes) What I am finding now is that combing kegels and reverse kegels is really neat, at least from an experimental point of view.
After getting pretty comfortable with how I reverse kegel, I have been playing with length of travel exercise. Meaning I reverse kegel, and feel my pelvic floor lower, and then kegel to make the pelvic floor rise. This length of travel exercise is really neat. I can feel significant total travel of the pelvic floor.
The important thing that I note with this length of travel, lets call it complete kegel or ck, exercise is that it seems to be able to move more blood into the penis with a "single" movement (although it really is two different contractions)! While this might not be shocking as there is more movement overall I have not come across this stated as such.
Also, doing cks seems to be more intense and fatiguing than doing either kegels or reverse kegels in isolation. Just thought that I'd throw that out there for everyone to mull over on their own.
Tom
Thanks again for your help in getting my head wrapped around the reverse kegel. (I know that I am too analytical, but that is a good thing sometimes
) What I am finding now is that combing kegels and reverse kegels is really neat, at least from an experimental point of view.After getting pretty comfortable with how I reverse kegel, I have been playing with length of travel exercise. Meaning I reverse kegel, and feel my pelvic floor lower, and then kegel to make the pelvic floor rise. This length of travel exercise is really neat. I can feel significant total travel of the pelvic floor.
The important thing that I note with this length of travel, lets call it complete kegel or ck
, exercise is that it seems to be able to move more blood into the penis with a "single" movement (although it really is two different contractions)! While this might not be shocking as there is more movement overall I have not come across this stated as such.Also, doing cks seems to be more intense and fatiguing than doing either kegels or reverse kegels in isolation. Just thought that I'd throw that out there for everyone to mull over on their own.
Tom
synergio;476005 said:
Ya, I think so.
I'm struggling to do a reverse kegel on the spot. So, I'm drinking a lot of water to urinate often. Each time, I'm trying to remember the motions, reflexes, state of mind when forcing out urine to practice whenever I want...harder than I thought. Thankfully, I can kegel pretty much anytime I want.
I think I've got another way to RK (from what I undertand what is a RK): When slightly aroused and still flaccid (moving on to semi-erect), I push blood several times and see my penis expand to semi-erect right before my eyes. Repeating this during the day at work, at the store, etc... is a whole different story given I'm really focusing on staying aroused and pushing the blood without touching my penis.
synergio;476005 said:
It took me a while to get the RK down myself...asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of medical reading because I was confused by the "kegel" part of "reverse kegel". Unlike the Kegel, the reverse kegel does not use any pelvic floor muscles, so it is not like you can cause your pelvic floor muscles to elongate because muscles only contract. It is only a contraction of other muscles which place downward pressure on the pelvic floor which will elongate the muscles used within the pelvic floor. The doctors that I have seen talking about this state that it is primarily done by a low intensity contraction of the lower abdominal muscles which essentially squeeze your abdomen like a tube of toothpaste causing the organs and intestines to push downwards into the pelvic area, thus elongating the PC,BC, and IC muscles that we contract when doing normal kegels.
Anyway, for me, Red's casual statement about "taking a dump" helped a lot. It is very much like a gentle "push" that you would use to force out a turd. LOL In my opinion, it is much easier to feel the correct reverse kegel after you have developed a decent amount of strength with your regular kegels. You will start to feel a distinct up and down travel of your pelvic floor when doing kegels after your pelvic floor muscles get stronger. When doing a strong squeeze kegel, you should feel a significant upward movement between your anus and scrotum. If you do, then it really is not that big of a deal to follow this squeeze with a slight "push" that you would use to take a crap. When you do this you will feel the pelvic floor drop like an elevator with a broken cable.
By the way, to stop or prevent ejaculation, only a very slight reverse kegel is needed. Just enough that a little blood leaves the penis temporarily until the urge passes. No need to actually force out a big turd to do so. LOL
Which by the way is a great way to know if you are doing a reverse kegel correctly. You should be able to stop yourself from passing the point of no return when edging or whatever. Another way to see if you are doing them correctly is to get a decent erection, when you do a reverse kegel, your erection will immediately get a little softer as a little bit of blood leaves the penis. (Don't worry, you can instantly get the blood back by doing a regular kegel
)Tom
When doing a strong squeeze kegel, you should feel a significant upward movement between your anus and scrotum. If you do, then it really is not that big of a deal to follow this squeeze with a slight "push" that you would use to take a crap. When you do this you will feel the pelvic floor drop like an elevator with a broken cable.
Ya, I do feel the upward movement. But, after releasing the kegel, I do feel the drop. But technically, this is just releasing the kegel and not a RK in itself. Right?
Do you do a RK while clenching (during the kegel)?
Thanks,
If you feel the "drop" from just releasing the kegel, no that is not a reverse kegel. Yeah, maybe Red put it best, in that he said a reverse kegel was like pushing out a turd.
However, you said something that might help you find out how to do a reverse kegel for yourself. "Do you do a RK while clenching (during the kegel)" No! In fact, if you do a reverse kegel you will feel the kegel release. No matter how hard you squeeze a kegel, a reverse kegel will force you to release that squeeze immediately. Try an intense kegel and then try to "fart" and you will see what I mean. That "fart" attempt is a reverse kegel.
However, you said something that might help you find out how to do a reverse kegel for yourself. "Do you do a RK while clenching (during the kegel)" No! In fact, if you do a reverse kegel you will feel the kegel release. No matter how hard you squeeze a kegel, a reverse kegel will force you to release that squeeze immediately. Try an intense kegel and then try to "fart" and you will see what I mean. That "fart" attempt is a reverse kegel.
irspow;476127 said:If you feel the "drop" from just releasing the kegel, no that is not a reverse kegel. Yeah, maybe Red put it best, in that he said a reverse kegel was like pushing out a turd.
However, you said something that might help you find out how to do a reverse kegel for yourself. "Do you do a RK while clenching (during the kegel)" No! In fact, if you do a reverse kegel you will feel the kegel release. No matter how hard you squeeze a kegel, a reverse kegel will force you to release that squeeze immediately. Try an intense kegel and then try to "fart" and you will see what I mean. That "fart" attempt is a reverse kegel.
Hmmm...ok thanks, I also read somewhere that an RK also involves some muscles at the tip of the penis, in addition to the "fart". Supposedly, you feel them when you're forcing urine out. I think I've felt it before, but difficult to replicate when not urinating...
DukeSSk;476155 said:
The tip of the penis is not really involved in the reverse kegel, an actual flex is not happening, it is a total unflex of the pelvic floor muscles. It is the same movement you will feel when forcing the flow of urine but you do not need to be urinating. With practice it becomes second nature.
Hey Daddy (and everyone else),
According to doctors, there are muscle contractions that take place in a "reverse kegel", but none of which are located in the pelvic floor area. Completely relaxing, lowering, elongation, or whatever of the pelvic floor muscles is accomplished by a slight contraction of the lower abdominal muscles. This constriction causes a "downward" force into the pelvic region by squeezing slightly the lower intestines forcing them to occupy a lower position. This lowering of the intestines places a downward force into the pelvic floor area, thus elongating slightly, or "completely relaxing" the BC, IC, and PC muscles. (Primarily elongating and lowering the PC)
The Lunatic,
Tom
According to doctors, there are muscle contractions that take place in a "reverse kegel", but none of which are located in the pelvic floor area. Completely relaxing, lowering, elongation, or whatever of the pelvic floor muscles is accomplished by a slight contraction of the lower abdominal muscles. This constriction causes a "downward" force into the pelvic region by squeezing slightly the lower intestines forcing them to occupy a lower position. This lowering of the intestines places a downward force into the pelvic floor area, thus elongating slightly, or "completely relaxing" the BC, IC, and PC muscles. (Primarily elongating and lowering the PC)
The Lunatic,
Tom
I have noticed that, with most things, complimenting systems work best together. That is, when I am working out more often and my abdominal muscles are stronger and possess greater [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words], I can do RKs much easier, for longer periods of time and with greater intensity.
What a I find helps me to locate the reverse kegel "muscle" is by squeezing it while doing a pelvic thrust. Maybe someone will benefit from the pelvic thrusting. Plus it mimics girl on top so great way to build up strong upward thrusts.
Very TRUE and yet funny as fuck story!!!!! Back when I started my p eing career I was a monster at doing kegals and reverse kegals.... I very quickly learned when fully erect doing reverse kegals and holding it as long as possible my cock would throb and gain a temporary 1/4 inch in girth with the veins literally about to pop out of the skin!!! Well my baby's momma would suck my dick on the daily for a minimum of 10-15 minutes as she was obsessed with my cock.... Anyway I was sitting down as she got down on her knees and began the business and I just loved the feeling of my cock filling up her mouth to the point it would barely fit... So I got all worked up and proceeded to reverse kegal as she did everything in her power to get me all in her throat!!!! Low and behold about 3 reps of minute long reverse kegalling later when she was going for the gusto I damn near shit on this bitch's titties and let out a rumbler!!!! she instantly stopped , looked at me and said "what the fuck was that?", I apoligized and told her I just got too relaxed, then she said "dont ever fucking do that again", then proceeded blowing me anyhow!!!
DukeSSk;481093 said:
Yes a combo move. I do a regular kegel on the way down and RK on the way up.
DreamDick;507800 said:
Yes sir! Body position can greatly effect every part of Penis Enlargement. Try doing RK's squatted and while stretching between the cheeks....OOOOOOOOO!
DreamDick;508113 said:Thanks for the great tip!it seems a really intense version of BTC.
Try different angles and positions, feel where you get the most intensity and go with that. For me it is a full squat, for others it may vary because of body type.
DreamDick;509101 said:that's why whenever i do any kind of stretching,i always apply the principle of blasters....
That is a great way to say it and I wish I had understood the cross-value of Blasters with other stretches. Today, it is silly not to use the Blasters method in every stretch.
Reverse kegels are partly responsible for my permanent length gains. When done properly, my inner penis is pushed out and drops down giving me at least another 1/2 to 3/4 inch in length and at least a 1/4 in girth. The area behind my scrotum ( hidden penis ) enlarges and drops down out of my body.
Thanks DLD, after listening to the debate between you and a phalloplasty surgeon regarding Penis Enlargement vs surgical procedure, i decided to learn more about reverse kegels and man I'm happy i did. The results have been remarkable as I have been able to break stubborn plateaus in length, girth and also increased the size of my glans considerably. I feel as if reverse kegels are the holy grail of Penis Enlargement and i would appreciate reading more about it from you and the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] family.
I still can't get the hang of the reverse kegels. Just tried stretching as far as I could while flaccid, and trying to reverse kegel, but it never gets longer. When I kegel it doesn't really pull back much either, aside from when I angle my piece so it's pointing upwards.
Do we still use the LOT theory? I know that was quite big back in the day but I haven't heard that mentioned in a long time.
Do we still use the LOT theory? I know that was quite big back in the day but I haven't heard that mentioned in a long time.
Medicating;511486 said:
LOT only gives you a position in tugback but this does take enough strength to cause the tug back. If your LOT reflects a low position it suggest that you concentrate on Tunica gains while if your LOT is high you still have potential in ligament gains. However, this information obsolete in the sense of ligamental limits. Even with a LOT as low as mine which is pretty much straight down I can still make ligament gains with Behind the Cheeks. BTC will always be beyond your LOT which means ligament gains should always be possible as long as the BTC position is far enough back and up.
WHen someone does a LOT on themselves and determines that they no longer can gain Ligament length, due to the way LOT is taught....a teaching that is irresponsible in my opinion as it discourages and confuses one to thing that ligament stretching will no longer be fruitful. Tunica gains are VERY hard to make and most Tunica gains come from girth expansion anyway. Stretching upward, to effect the Tunica makes perfect sense but when one sees the lack of intensity in this position (upward stretching) it becomes evident that more needs to be done to effect the Tunica. Remember, the Tunica has only 5% elasticity, making it very difficult to deform. Upward stretching should still be done as it will bring gains but very slowly. A concerted effort in girth expansion and above LOT stretching will be most effective in Tunica gains.
Cover all you bases! The penis gains length in 3 different ways:
1. Ligament
2. Tunica
3. Expressive
Each of these areas needs to be adopted and included in your routine to ensure if there are gains to be made you will make them. Ligaments will be effected by every stretch except those that leave the ligament slack in which you will be stretching the Tunica. If you have a low LOT, simply increase the down position of your stretches to stretch all angles from that position back to the extreme of the Behind the Cheeks.
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If all these areas are covered, then all possible angular, internal and external gains will be realized. Better safe than sorry.