For those who lift/bodybuild and have used both of these supplements, is it advisable to use both at the same time?? If so, in what way/combination to both produce optimum results as well as to be safe in terms of possible side effects? I have just bought both at GNC and have been told that it is fine to stack them.......would appreciate anyones input on this and thanks!
Hydroxycut and NO2........
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I'd say don't use either and that you wasted your money. Hydroxycut pretty much won't do anything, and NO2 is only going to give you a noticeable effect if your diet and training is already really good, which, if you're asking about these supps, I can pretty much assume that they aren't.
What's your diet and training like, what are your stats (height and weight), what can you lift in the Big 3 and military press, and what are your goals?
What's your diet and training like, what are your stats (height and weight), what can you lift in the Big 3 and military press, and what are your goals?
Well, my diet and exercise program are actually quite good in fact. I run 3-4 miles a day with a time of just under 7 min per mile (in the morning after waking), and lift for about 2- 2/2 hours in the afternoon. I train legs and abs on mon/wed/fri and arms/upper body on tues/thursday with optional saturday (but usually go lightweight reps on saturday).
I am 5 8 and 1/2 and can bench my weight which is 165, 3 sets of 10.
I don't eat Mcdonalds or anything like that, and have cut out soda successfully for the last 3 weeks. I am mainly trying to bulk up a bit (say about 15 pounds) as well as cut up. I have had success with Ripped Fuel (ephredra free) in the past however wanted to put on some mass while still getting a bit more ripped and decided to get some NO2 as many seem to have had good results with this product. I have used Hydroxycut once in the past but didn't know about stacking, so I thought I would ask on this forum and one others since I don't frequent many.........
Any help/input provided would be great and thanks for your time..........
I am 5 8 and 1/2 and can bench my weight which is 165, 3 sets of 10.
I don't eat Mcdonalds or anything like that, and have cut out soda successfully for the last 3 weeks. I am mainly trying to bulk up a bit (say about 15 pounds) as well as cut up. I have had success with Ripped Fuel (ephredra free) in the past however wanted to put on some mass while still getting a bit more ripped and decided to get some NO2 as many seem to have had good results with this product. I have used Hydroxycut once in the past but didn't know about stacking, so I thought I would ask on this forum and one others since I don't frequent many.........
Any help/input provided would be great and thanks for your time..........
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2 hours is way too long to lift weights. And 5-6 days per week is too much. You're probably overtraining pretty heavily. Post your exact workout schedule (lifts, sets/reps etc) and I can help you better. Also your caloric intake and macro breakdown. This is where you gain size/lose fat, NOT in the supplements you take.
Supps are icing on the cake, but if the cake sucks, no amount of icing is going to make it taste good, you follow?
Supps are icing on the cake, but if the cake sucks, no amount of icing is going to make it taste good, you follow?
I might suggest, and I think Cyclops will back me on this: Hot-Rox. I take these and I love them. Setting aside the fact that they help you lift weights they also give a hell of a boost of energy on just have the reccomended serving.
Also, I second Cyclops on the supplements and the cake. There was a point at which I was taking: Green Tea, Hot-Rox, ZMA, Hoodia, Ginseng, CLA, Pyruvate, 1.6g of Calcium... everything you can think of. I was healthy as hell, but I lost zero weight.
One last thing then I'll shut up: The NO2, did you get the pills or the powder? The pills will do jack for you (Which is to say, nothing), the powder, however, has 3g of Argenine and 3g of Creatine, both of which are very good for you. The Argenine has been shown my a lot of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] members to have a positive effect on P.E., and the 3g of Creatine is the perfect amount, as that's all the body can really store. So I'd suggest that if you got the powder, use it in your post workout shake, then half an hour later do your P.E. routine. Just a thought.
Also, I second Cyclops on the supplements and the cake. There was a point at which I was taking: Green Tea, Hot-Rox, ZMA, Hoodia, Ginseng, CLA, Pyruvate, 1.6g of Calcium... everything you can think of. I was healthy as hell, but I lost zero weight.
One last thing then I'll shut up: The NO2, did you get the pills or the powder? The pills will do jack for you (Which is to say, nothing), the powder, however, has 3g of Argenine and 3g of Creatine, both of which are very good for you. The Argenine has been shown my a lot of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] members to have a positive effect on P.E., and the 3g of Creatine is the perfect amount, as that's all the body can really store. So I'd suggest that if you got the powder, use it in your post workout shake, then half an hour later do your P.E. routine. Just a thought.
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Good suggestions, harmonic. I'll admit I don't have very much experience with NO2 but from everything I've read it seems nearly worthless. If I understand correctly, it's to enhance "the pump," but really the pump doesn't have much at all to do with real muscle growth. It's all about food intake and heavy weights.
HOT-ROX...rocks.
I recently did a cutting diet, and managed to gain a bit of LBathmate at the same time as losing some fat, and I believe it was due to the HOT-ROX. And yes, they do give a good energy boost, definitely.
However, I wouldn't recommend quitting the ZMA. It's a great supplement, and well worth the very small price (Biotest ZMA is $9 for a month's supply).
HOT-ROX...rocks.
I recently did a cutting diet, and managed to gain a bit of LBathmate at the same time as losing some fat, and I believe it was due to the HOT-ROX. And yes, they do give a good energy boost, definitely.However, I wouldn't recommend quitting the ZMA. It's a great supplement, and well worth the very small price (Biotest ZMA is $9 for a month's supply).
Did I reccoment cutting the ZMA out? I didn't mean to. God knows I notice nothing with it, however I've found that most of the results of Vitamins and such are subtle. Which brings up another good point:
mkay45: What vitamins are you taking? If you're not on anything right now I really reccomend GreenSource from VitaminWorld (www.vitaminworld.com) And an Amino Complex would probably go a long way, I use Amino 1500 at one third recomended dosage.
Just a few thoughts.
mkay45: What vitamins are you taking? If you're not on anything right now I really reccomend GreenSource from VitaminWorld (www.vitaminworld.com) And an Amino Complex would probably go a long way, I use Amino 1500 at one third recomended dosage.
Just a few thoughts.
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if your looking to cut hydroxycut (since it has no ephedra) blows, if you want a good thermogen get thermorexin or xenedrine (sp?) and if your looking to bulk dont do either. 2 hours a day lifting is in't alot and neither is 6 to 5 days depending on what body part ur working
Thanks for all the input, I appreciate the response......
This is what I have been doing.....take hydroxycut in the morning before breakfast and run 3-4 miles, come home and take the NO2 before lunch, then take NO2 once more before lifting.
In terms of the claims NO2 makes, I have been able to lift on average 20 lbs more per rep set in just two days of taking it, and have had less muscle fatigue. My arms also do look noticeably bigger (no this is not a plug for NO2, just what I have noticed personally).
For arms/upper body, I do 3 sets of 10 bench, 3 sets of 15 dips, 3 sets of 10 biceps curls, 3 sets of 10 lat pulldowns, 3 sets of 10 pec flies, 3 sets of 10 forearms and 3 sets of 10 rowing
For lower body/legs I do 3 sets of 15 squat, 6 sets of leg lifting (can't really describe machine), 3 sets of 15 calfs, 3 sets of back lift, and then do abs, which I use 3 sets of 15 on ab crunch machine, and then 3 sets of boxer decline situps (ie, left, right, middle).....
I had been taking ripped fuel ephradra free, but had taking it for months and wanted to switch to hydroxycut
thanks again for input , any more would be greatly appreciated!
This is what I have been doing.....take hydroxycut in the morning before breakfast and run 3-4 miles, come home and take the NO2 before lunch, then take NO2 once more before lifting.
In terms of the claims NO2 makes, I have been able to lift on average 20 lbs more per rep set in just two days of taking it, and have had less muscle fatigue. My arms also do look noticeably bigger (no this is not a plug for NO2, just what I have noticed personally).
For arms/upper body, I do 3 sets of 10 bench, 3 sets of 15 dips, 3 sets of 10 biceps curls, 3 sets of 10 lat pulldowns, 3 sets of 10 pec flies, 3 sets of 10 forearms and 3 sets of 10 rowing
For lower body/legs I do 3 sets of 15 squat, 6 sets of leg lifting (can't really describe machine), 3 sets of 15 calfs, 3 sets of back lift, and then do abs, which I use 3 sets of 15 on ab crunch machine, and then 3 sets of boxer decline situps (ie, left, right, middle).....
I had been taking ripped fuel ephradra free, but had taking it for months and wanted to switch to hydroxycut
thanks again for input , any more would be greatly appreciated!
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If you're noticing a difference with NO2 and you like it, I won't suggest that you quit it.
If you've been doing that same workout for a while, or something very similar to it (3 sets, high reps, etc.), I'd recommend changing it up. Work on increasing strength for a while. I also notice a lack of overhead pressing. It's been said that the military press is the squat of the upper body. Those are words to live by, IMO. I also don't see any deadlifting, which should be a staple in any lifting program.
Here's a good routine that combines the low-rep strength work with higher-rep hypertrophy work.
M Upper Body (horizontal plane)
5x5 Bench Press
5x5 Bent Over Row
5x5 Skull Crusher
5x5 EZ Bar Curl
T Lower Body
4x8 Squat
4x8 Standing Calf Raise
4x8 Cable Crunches or Swiss Ball Crunches
W off (cardio/GPP is ok to do on this day if you like)
TH Upper Body (vertical plane)
4x8 Military Press
4x8 Pull-ups (weighted if you can)
4x8 Weighted Dips
4x8 Hammer Curl
F Lower Body
5x5 Deadlift
5x5 Seated Calf Raises
5x5 Decline Bench Sit-up
Sat off (cardio/GPP is ok)
Sun off completely
Don't go to failure unless it's the last rep of the last set. Leave about 2 reps "in the bag" for each set. The point with this program is to build up your strength, so failure training is not conducive to that goal. If you want to do "forearms," work that in wherever you want, but I'd recommend replacing that with grip work such as Captains of Crush grippers, plate pinches, farmer's walks, etc. Remember, this is a strength "mesocycle." Build up your strength, and then if you decide to go back to your standard bodybuilding-style routine, you'll have a better strength base to work with, and thus, more muscle stimulation.
After about 4 weeks of this program, switch the set/rep schemes. So Monday would be the same lifts, but with 4x8 instead of 5x5. Etc. I think you'll be surprised at how much stronger you are after 8 weeks. Of course, if you like it, you can do another strength program after that and still build some serious muscle. Don't fall prey to the myth that you have to do high reps to build muscle. Low reps and high sets will build muscle too, and maybe even better than high reps. But do what you like doing because results can be had either way. That said, it's also important not to totally neglect either of them. If you like high reps, your training should also have periods of low rep strength training. The key is to change it up.
For your cardio and GPP, do whatever you like doing. There's a pretty strong argument that sprints, HIIT and the like are superior for burning fat while maintaining muscle, but the truth is, if you don't like doing it, then why bother. I personally don't like distance running, so I do the higher-intensity stuff, but just stick with what you like.
Keep in mind that the most important aspect of meeting your body composition goals is diet. Keep a food log, it only takes a couple extra minutes per day and after a while it becomes second nature and you won't have to look up nutritional info much because you'll know it. Make sure you're getting 1-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight whether your bulking or cutting. Eat healthy fats and supplement your diet with fish oil. It's not expensive and the health benefits are numerous. Eat lots of fruits and veggies, especially spinach, broccoli, salads, etc.
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If you've been doing that same workout for a while, or something very similar to it (3 sets, high reps, etc.), I'd recommend changing it up. Work on increasing strength for a while. I also notice a lack of overhead pressing. It's been said that the military press is the squat of the upper body. Those are words to live by, IMO. I also don't see any deadlifting, which should be a staple in any lifting program.
Here's a good routine that combines the low-rep strength work with higher-rep hypertrophy work.
M Upper Body (horizontal plane)
5x5 Bench Press
5x5 Bent Over Row
5x5 Skull Crusher
5x5 EZ Bar Curl
T Lower Body
4x8 Squat
4x8 Standing Calf Raise
4x8 Cable Crunches or Swiss Ball Crunches
W off (cardio/GPP is ok to do on this day if you like)
TH Upper Body (vertical plane)
4x8 Military Press
4x8 Pull-ups (weighted if you can)
4x8 Weighted Dips
4x8 Hammer Curl
F Lower Body
5x5 Deadlift
5x5 Seated Calf Raises
5x5 Decline Bench Sit-up
Sat off (cardio/GPP is ok)
Sun off completely
Don't go to failure unless it's the last rep of the last set. Leave about 2 reps "in the bag" for each set. The point with this program is to build up your strength, so failure training is not conducive to that goal. If you want to do "forearms," work that in wherever you want, but I'd recommend replacing that with grip work such as Captains of Crush grippers, plate pinches, farmer's walks, etc. Remember, this is a strength "mesocycle." Build up your strength, and then if you decide to go back to your standard bodybuilding-style routine, you'll have a better strength base to work with, and thus, more muscle stimulation.
After about 4 weeks of this program, switch the set/rep schemes. So Monday would be the same lifts, but with 4x8 instead of 5x5. Etc. I think you'll be surprised at how much stronger you are after 8 weeks. Of course, if you like it, you can do another strength program after that and still build some serious muscle. Don't fall prey to the myth that you have to do high reps to build muscle. Low reps and high sets will build muscle too, and maybe even better than high reps. But do what you like doing because results can be had either way. That said, it's also important not to totally neglect either of them. If you like high reps, your training should also have periods of low rep strength training. The key is to change it up.
For your cardio and GPP, do whatever you like doing. There's a pretty strong argument that sprints, HIIT and the like are superior for burning fat while maintaining muscle, but the truth is, if you don't like doing it, then why bother. I personally don't like distance running, so I do the higher-intensity stuff, but just stick with what you like.
Keep in mind that the most important aspect of meeting your body composition goals is diet. Keep a food log, it only takes a couple extra minutes per day and after a while it becomes second nature and you won't have to look up nutritional info much because you'll know it. Make sure you're getting 1-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight whether your bulking or cutting. Eat healthy fats and supplement your diet with fish oil. It's not expensive and the health benefits are numerous. Eat lots of fruits and veggies, especially spinach, broccoli, salads, etc.
Did I miss anything?
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muscle-tech supplements are all crap. any person who is experienced in bodybuilding knows this.
fat burner's are also something you shouldn't spend money on. maybe some sort of energy pill is fine or whatever, but there is no such thing as a magic pill.
no2 is too expensive... if you want to try something do nitrix. nitric oxide basically is supposed to keep you pumped and energized. once you are off it, there are no effects and A LOT of people who try NO products don't see any effects at all.
fat burner's are also something you shouldn't spend money on. maybe some sort of energy pill is fine or whatever, but there is no such thing as a magic pill.
no2 is too expensive... if you want to try something do nitrix. nitric oxide basically is supposed to keep you pumped and energized. once you are off it, there are no effects and A LOT of people who try NO products don't see any effects at all.
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lol hot rox u get 80 caps for like 90 bucks, screw that. To be honest Im starting a ECA stack better and cheaper. does anyone have a link on the dosage and where to get the ephedra from? thanks
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Mase64 said:
get the fuck out you serious? how many caps you get? do you got a link?
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Mase64 said:
and i see your from jersey too, passaic county myself even though i am at college now, where can i get that over the counter or do i need to get it from the net?
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Mase64 said:
i go to penn state, the passaic valley area u
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Guys, you can get Hot-Rox on Ebay, $12.99 for 72 caps. $39 gets you nearly a two month supply (3 bottles). Always check Ebay before you buy any supplement.
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True. Here's the seller I bought from. It's $13.97. He sells the real deal. Not that the other guy doesn't, Hot-Rox is hard to fake with the way the pills are (red and black with a white stripe and the Hot-Rox logo on each pill). Anyway, here's the real deal on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-rox-72ct-Br...ryZ31820QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-rox-72ct-Br...ryZ31820QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Mase64 said:
No, your absolutely right. I should have thought about that when I posted the link to a seller I was unfamiliar with. The guy I bought from sells good stuff though.
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hot rox 110 caps for 33 bones on this site http://www.dpsnutrition.net/product_information.asp?number=BO051&back=search&dept=
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yo mase bro check ur pm
I'm gonna go out on a limb here as a guy probably quite a few years older than most of you. First, just a quick blast of personal history: Back in late '95 I almost died from meningitis, I recovered from that and got on the come back trail only to bust three vertebrae in a three car crash in 2001. So I'm on kind of a "double come back trail" now. OK, back to the subject; back in 95, before I went all broke dick, I had been lifting for quite a while, discovered Kenpo and Shootfighting and, strangely enough for me, the benefits of stretching. I was six foot one, 285 lbs and had 12% bodyfat. Some honest to God numbers: 485 Bench, 625 Deadlift and 800 squat and I ran a sub 12 minute mile and a half. One of the things I did was go on a couple of Cybergenics cycles, I don't know how much their supplements actually contributed but the workouts were freakin' devastating! You went to positive and negative failure four times per body part per workout, at a minimum. Each failure set was followed by deep intense stretching of that muscle/muscle group which, surprisingly, opened up your muscles for incredible gains. One other thing I learned was to take the supplements, work my big dumb ass to death and then eat my first meal of the day. Supposedly this "tricked" your body into thinking it was both undernourished and overworked. This stripped fat and packed on muscle at an astounding rate. As far as my own progress was concerned, it worked, and worked good!
How is this relevent? I'll tell ya: MRI tells you to take NO2 on an empty stomach, first dose first thing in the morning. If you do this, followed by a gut bustin' workout and keep your nutrition levels up you can't help but make gains. Read the manual that comes with the NO2, it explains quite a bit about cycling and proper utilization of that particular product. Another resource you might want to consider is Health for Life. They've got great info about progressive muscle fatigue and work/rest ratios as well as the all important stretching. NO2 is a vasodilator, and, for me at least, it helps greatly in my Penis Enlargement progress as well as general overall recovery of strength and endurance levels. I don't have any experience with Hydroxycut itself but I can tell you that if it contains any kind of a vasoconstrictor (like the unfortunately banned Ephedra) the two will work against each other and you'll just be pissin' away your money. I've used all kinds of supplements throughout the years and for my money NO2 is one of the damn best I've ever used....when I use it the way it was meant to be used. Remember; nothing, nothing, nothing takes the place of good nutrition and pushing your physical limits as far as you safely can! Anyway, best of luck to ya, and I hope my two cents worth was useful. One last thing; if you want any Cybergenics products look up Truly Huge on the web, they carry just about the complete line. Again, best to ya!
How is this relevent? I'll tell ya: MRI tells you to take NO2 on an empty stomach, first dose first thing in the morning. If you do this, followed by a gut bustin' workout and keep your nutrition levels up you can't help but make gains. Read the manual that comes with the NO2, it explains quite a bit about cycling and proper utilization of that particular product. Another resource you might want to consider is Health for Life. They've got great info about progressive muscle fatigue and work/rest ratios as well as the all important stretching. NO2 is a vasodilator, and, for me at least, it helps greatly in my Penis Enlargement progress as well as general overall recovery of strength and endurance levels. I don't have any experience with Hydroxycut itself but I can tell you that if it contains any kind of a vasoconstrictor (like the unfortunately banned Ephedra) the two will work against each other and you'll just be pissin' away your money. I've used all kinds of supplements throughout the years and for my money NO2 is one of the damn best I've ever used....when I use it the way it was meant to be used. Remember; nothing, nothing, nothing takes the place of good nutrition and pushing your physical limits as far as you safely can! Anyway, best of luck to ya, and I hope my two cents worth was useful. One last thing; if you want any Cybergenics products look up Truly Huge on the web, they carry just about the complete line. Again, best to ya!
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ephedra isnt banned anymore
I work out first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach after taking the NO2...BUT....my goals are probably a bit different from yours. First off, I'm 44, second, I'm trying to maintain strength, flexibility and range of motion, (I've got a few years of healing left before I even consider going for any real weight on my old broke back) while building endurance, and lastly I'm trying to cut my bodyfat. I find I have the most energy first thing in the morning and maintain it better throughout the day. It's also easier for me to get into the routine early and Hell, let's face it; a damn good workout just psychs you up for the rest of the day too. If it's mass or sheer strength you're looking for, like I used to do, and you work on the empty stomach, then it's absolutely vital to feed your body:1) RIGHT, 2) CONSISTENTLY, and, 3) IMMEDIATELY after working out. And by immediately I mean having your protein drink waiting for you or even begin drinking it about halfway through your lifting session. If you can tolerate it, make your drink with whole milk; the fat provides energy and evens out your insulin production in response to the lactose. Just a sip (mouthful or less) between sets/bodypart and NEVER forget the water! If you work out later, after a meal, or two, or three, give yourself an hour or two to do the heavy digestion and get the blood out of your gut so that your muscles can use it. The advantages to the "empty stomach" routine are that your body's flooded with HGH after a good workout, your muscles are craving nutrition so that what you eat goes directly to THEM instead of your gut or your ass and while you're working that way you're actually drawing on any fat stores for muscle energy. The biggest drawback is lack of energy some people experience. Luckily; that usually goes away in two or three weeks or so just as long as you stay consistent in your routine. Remember, everybody's different and you have to find out what methods work best for you. I also found that quality amino's were extremely helpful for muscle recovery. If you are taking a nitric oxide supplement and want to see results then quit any ephedra, they are antagonists. Besides; at 10 lousy mg per dose; what you can buy nowadays just ain't worth it.
Always remember though, supplements are just that: supplemental, nothing is more important than hard work..except good nutrition...and dedication!
Hope this was helpful, Good luck !
Always remember though, supplements are just that: supplemental, nothing is more important than hard work..except good nutrition...and dedication!
Hope this was helpful, Good luck !
I've tried them both not at the same time. NO2 gave me a little extra pump that lasted about a week, Creatine gives a much better pump then NO2. Hydroxy cut is great for giving you energy on those days you don't fell like working out. I noticed when I started taking Hydroxy regularly if I skiped a day i felt tired. I have heared that it is not good to stack the two of them together its something with the NO2 putting nitrogen into your muscles and the Hydroxy speeding up your metabolism. I hope this helps
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