Heavy strength training and it's influence on the PC muscles

[Satyr]

Disclaimer: With this thread I don't want to advise against Kegeling by any means. I strictly refer to the special case that my PE career represents and maybe a small group of other PErs who may have made the same observations

The last weeks I did what is generally considered very unwise in the PE community, but just seemed appropriate in my specific situation and proved to be so in hindsight: I abandoned Kegels altogether...and my erection quality is splendid nonetheless, one could even say it got better paradoxically, although that is a bit imprecise of an characterization because, as you will read below, it wasn't a weakening of the PC that led to my problems .

So, first I wanna tell you why I made this unconventional move and second about the hypotheses I deduced from my observations. Third point I want to discuss is my procedure in the near future.

1. While I had always strictly subjected myself to the ubiquitously advocated daily Kegeling (or at least 5 days/week) in the first 1,5 years of my PE career, my motivation eventually waned since I never had the impression that it had any significant effect on my EQ.
(Let me tell you parenthetically that my EQ often noticeably suffers from my girth training, interspersed by phases of good to excellent EQ>I always asked myself what one could do to counteract this side-effect of girth training. Kegels didn't and don't cut it practically nor should they - if I thought that through correctly - theoretically because if the erectile tissue is exhausted, it's just that: exhausted. One can reassure oneself of that by taking a break from one's girth training and observe the rapidly improving EQ while the parameter of size stays the same. So blood circulation and thus PC muscle condition can be ruled out as causative factors in that case. Would be an interesting subject to discuss what exhaustion on a physiological level really means. If anyone here knows, please chime in)

2. From then on I kegeled only sporadically and finally - about 4 months ago or maybe even a bit longer - fully quit it. What I found out during this phase was, that I had less problems with my EQ during sex. I recognized now that the main reason for my deficient EQ (besides the aforementioned exhaustion by girth training which still is a problem sometimes) had been my permanently toned PC muscles. A contraction of them cannot only - as everyone here knows - lead to faster orgasms but in my case (and maybe some other guy's too?) it primarily led to a successive decrease of erection. Maybe this is caused by reduced blood flow into the penis when the PC muscles are constantly flexed, that would make sense to me. But it might also or additionally be the negative effect it has on my psyche which can't really relax if my PC muscles aren't relaxed. I think it's a bit of both.
Given the fact, that my EQ didn't get any worse and my PC muscles not weaker due to a lack of exercising (which is the expectable reaction of a trained muscle once the conditioning stimulus is absent) I also concluded that my PC muscles must have been just as strong in my pre-Pe life as they were after I had trained them for 1,5 years. So I reasoned that many years of heavy strength training (especially squats and dead lifts) must've challenged my PC muscles that much that they had already been in really good shape. Every serious lifter intuitively knows that these muscles are recruited during heavy compound movements, once he begins to think about that. Thus, my Kegel regime was essentially useless because it couldn't add a further stimulus that had a real effect on anything relevant to me, my sex life or my PE.

3. I've pondered the possibility of conducting a Kegel routine, based purely on reverse Kegels. If anything, I must have a muscular imbalance (thanks Zam for putting up the thread about Kegels>I've read that there). I wonder if my lack of [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] in bed has something to do with that or if my inability to delay orgasm by RKing may be attributed to this imbalance. What do you think? Is it worth a try?
Also all lifters are very welcome to share their experiences. Maybe there are some PErs who have made similar observations?

Cheers

 

[acromegaly]

yup squats especially will burden those pelvic floor muscles, i dont think you will get much benefit for your dick though. especially if your legs are growing bigger its just going to dwarf your cock.

 

[Zambrodom3]

A really interesting thread this is! I think you do have a point- in one's effort to overcome the stress in form of weight- he may use all the muscles his body has to do so. And I think the PC makes no difference. What makes me wonder, though- is that when I lift heavy- I tend to RK instead of kegeling. Tomorrow when I got o the gym- I will make sure to follow my Pelvic Floor contractions carefully and will report what I have experienced. This is something I have never thought of before and I have paid no attention to whether my PC constracts or not...

Maybe your decreased EQ was due to exhaustion, yes- kegels and girth exercising must have put quite some stress, which may have lead to this condition of yours. Here I can report my own experience- when I first started kegeling (back in my 1st days of PE)- I had a pretty low EQ, that's why I started doing them all day long! Every 5 seconds I contracted for 2 seconds and released- I made it a habit of mine to a level where I found myself kegeling the second I had woken up! Needless to say- I did not see my EQ improving much, but when I stopped- it did increase a bit. Maybe it was due to the fact that I had overtained my Pelvic Floor muscles, which had lead to the close to complete exhaustion of my Pelvic Floor. It would be great to have the others join in as well and share their experience so far...

Premature Ejaculation- yes, maybe this is the reason, pelvic floor imbalance ( http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...re-ejaculation-and-overall-penile-health.html ) does have negative effects on Pre-E. A great thread on this (which you may have read already) is ( http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...5-kiss-the-premature-ejaculation-goodbye.html ). The problem might be physical, but it might be mental as well...

 

[Satyr]

Acormegaly: thanks for your reply, but that isn't exactly the point I was heading to. My question to you as lifter would be more like: have you ever had the impression that Kegels improved your EQ? And if not: do you also maybe experienced negative effects with respect to your EQ or premature ejaculation, caused by involuntary PC muscle action in bed?

Zam: you got me thinking as well. I think you're right in your assumption that you're basically reverse kegeling during squats and stuff and not kegeling. However, I've never excessively kegeled like you. My Kegel workout time was always reasonable (10-20 minutes once a day max). Maybe it's not the same logic of antagonistic muscle work that applies to the PC as it is in other cases? (which would mean that one can't suffer from a muscular imbalance here but more from a technical one, so to say) That would explain a lot.

Also EQ issues due to exhaustion caused by girth work are another subject I can distinguish very well from the PC muscle induced EQ problems. So I can rule that out for sure. It's just another aspect I addressed here by the way. These two aren't linked otherwise, I'm pretty sure of that.

And though I tend to agree that my lack of [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] is also a matter of my mental mindset, my observations tell me that it were also the Kegels (probably even in the first place by inducing vicious cycle>flexed PC>tense mindset, you know?). Even when I only kegeled for 10 mins in the morning and had sex in the evening my muscles were steadily tense. Once I reduced and finally stopped Kegeling this problem also vanished. So there must be a correlation.

btw: it's not "premature" ejac in the strict sense insofar as I get my girl to orgasm almost every time, but I sure am no long-distance runner, if you know what i mean. And I'd like to change that (I know this has also other psychological aspects to it but this whole Kegel problem is also a matter to consider).

 

[acromegaly]

Acormegaly: thanks for your reply, but that isn't exactly the point I was heading to. My question to you as lifter would be more like: have you ever had the impression that Kegels improved your EQ? And if not: do you also maybe experienced negative effects with respect to your EQ or premature ejaculation, caused by involuntary PC muscle action in bed?

Zam: you got me thinking as well. I think you're right in your assumption that you're basically reverse kegeling during squats and stuff and not kegeling. However, I've never excessively kegeled like you. My Kegel workout time was always reasonable (10-20 minutes once a day max). Maybe it's not the same logic of antagonistic muscle work that applies to the PC as it is in other cases? That would explain a lot.

And though I tend to agree that my lack of [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] is also a matter of my mental mindset, my observations tell me that it were also the Kegels (probably even in the first place by inducing vicious cycle>flexed PC>tense mindset, you know?). Even when I only kegeled for 10 mins in the morning and had sex in the evening my muscles were steadily tense. Once I reduced and finally stopped Kegeling this problem also vanished. So there must be a correlation.

btw: it's not "premature" ejac in the strict sense insofar as I get my girl to orgasm almost every time, but I sure am no long-distance runner, if you know what i mean. And I'd like to change that (I know this has also other psychological aspects to it but this whole Kegel problem is also a matter to consider).

maybe you are doing too many kegels? i only do them with a full erection and rapid fire 20-30 at a time. my eq is very good from kegels

heavy lifting is shit for your overall health too. i can imagine a cyclist having much better sex life than a strongman, but that is just a generalization.
take it easy dont stress, overthinking pe never helps

 

[jordey]

maybe you are doing too many kegels? i only do them with a full erection and rapid fire 20-30 at a time. my eq is very good from kegels

heavy lifting is shit for your overall health too. i can imagine a cyclist having much better sex life than a strongman, but that is just a generalization.
take it easy dont stress, overthinking pe never helps

not at all, it infact is good for your health. i personally am in to powerlifting and my recent checkup showed i am in very good physical health (i dont do any cardio)

 

[acromegaly]

not at all, it infact is good for your health. i personally am in to powerlifting and my recent checkup showed i am in very good physical health (i dont do any cardio)

That's great, but all the strength athletes I know have a laundry list of injuries and problems. Every time you go for a pr you are rolling a dice you might get fucked up.
Lift weights for longevity and your health unless you are serious about competition there is no reason to lift super heavy. Just my 2 cents tho

 

[jordey]

That's great, but all the strength athletes I know have a laundry list of injuries and problems. Every time you go for a pr you are rolling a dice you might get fucked up.
Lift weights for longevity and your health unless you are serious about competition there is no reason to lift super heavy. Just my 2 cents tho

see thats not a product of lifting heavy, thats lifting too heavy for what you can handle. its more about doing too much in total rather than the weight being too high - many athletes in general regardless of sport get alot of injuries, its just a product of being an athlete. also theres a matter of drug use, which will negatively affect your health (depending on what it is and dose). for a natural lifter who trains for strength, the strong ones (and by extension the smart ones) dont really get serious injuries, as injuries ruin strength. I myself in 3 years have only had two injuries, one was right at the start and from lack of knowledge, the other was fairly recent but was because i was sitting down too much (desk job) and not the actual strength training. overall im healthier! theres risk with every sport, its how you plan for it that matters. heavy lifting if done right can improve your cardiac ability, joint strength, bone density etc. many benefits. if its done wrong though, then yeah you'll probs get fucked up...

 

[youknowme123321]

see thats not a product of lifting heavy, thats lifting too heavy for what you can handle. its more about doing too much in total rather than the weight being too high - many athletes in general regardless of sport get alot of injuries, its just a product of being an athlete. also theres a matter of drug use, which will negatively affect your health (depending on what it is and dose). for a natural lifter who trains for strength, the strong ones (and by extension the smart ones) dont really get serious injuries, as injuries ruin strength. I myself in 3 years have only had two injuries, one was right at the start and from lack of knowledge, the other was fairly recent but was because i was sitting down too much (desk job) and not the actual strength training. overall im healthier! theres risk with every sport, its how you plan for it that matters. heavy lifting if done right can improve your cardiac ability, joint strength, bone density etc. many benefits. if its done wrong though, then yeah you'll probs get fucked up...

That's great, but all the strength athletes I know have a laundry list of injuries and problems. Every time you go for a pr you are rolling a dice you might get fucked up.
Lift weights for longevity and your health unless you are serious about competition there is no reason to lift super heavy. Just my 2 cents tho

injuries happen to those who lift correctly and those who don't. even the best olympic lifters have often suffered bad shoulder, hip, and spine injuries. of course those who lift properly have a reduced risk of injury.

 

[stillwantmore]

When I lifted heavy, my two strongest lifts were my squat and deadlift. I could squat over 400 lb for reps and deadlift the same. I never noticed my PC muscles sore from it. I don't know where the thought that this muscle group is involved in heavy lifts of any kind comes from?

 

[youknowme123321]

When I lifted heavy, my two strongest lifts were my squat and deadlift. I could squat over 400 lb for reps and deadlift the same. I never noticed my PC muscles sore from it. I don't know where the thought that this muscle group is involved in heavy lifts of any kind comes from?

kegels alone increase my squat 50 lbs






not they didn't

 

[acromegaly]

kegels alone increase my squat 50 lbs






not they didn't

You aren't supposed to count the weight of your penis

 

[youknowme123321]

You aren't supposed to count the weight of your penis

hahaha

 

[BornInFigi]

Lifting weights increases eq for AT LEAST two reasons. 1 increase in test levels. 2. Lower blood pressure. A natural weight lifter, usually, will have blood pressure much lower than a non weight trained athlete. Sure, a cyclist could have great aerobic [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] over a primarily anaerobic athlete, but they won't have the low blood pressure or added benifits of drastically higher levels of test.

As per the OP, I notice that on heavy deads and squats my PC muscles are quite taxed, which may lead to a decrease in my eq for evening girth. I pretty much started flexing my abs and pulling my butthole in on other lifts to, which leads to a tired PC. I'm not sure what else you wanna know from us.

 

[stillwantmore]

Kegels+milk=bigger squats. FTW!

 

[ULTIM8GAINZ]

I have the answer to this but it's too much to explain LAWL

 

[youknowme123321]

I have the answer to this but it's too much to explain LAWL

ummm ok

 

[youknowme123321]

As per the OP, I notice that on heavy deads and squats my PC muscles are quite taxed, which may lead to a decrease in my eq for evening girth. I pretty much started flexing my abs and pulling my butthole in on other lifts to, which leads to a tired PC. I'm not sure what else you wanna know from us.

that's interesting. i've lifted and done Pilates (which focuses on the inner thighs, pelvic floor, and glutes heavily) and never felt any "taxing" to my PC muscles. i'm not saying nobody can experience that but you are the first. need to find a first...use the internet lol

 

[User182811]

Cyclists have shit eq because they are constantly putting pressure on their perineum and slowly damaging their pelvic floor nerves and muscles.

Lifting, on the other hand, is very beneficial for health. Maybe not super heavy all the time but every now and then is fine, if not optimal.

 

[ULTIM8GAINZ]

It's hard to give a basic answer, but I think heavy weight-lifting for too long uses up most of the body's energy tank and leaves little room for an effective PE session due to the body rebuilding. So to put it very simply, use low-weight, more reps, less sets(2-3), and probably no more than 1 and a half hour. There are many great exercise genres like Calisthenics, Core, HIIT, Pilates, Plyometrics, Sports, Weight-lifting, Yoga, etc. to name a few. Choose one or combine.

Then you must have solid nutrition. Main points are limit or eliminate sugar and wheat, don't overload on carbohydrates, eat some cooked or cured fish throughout the week and occasionally meat, some servings of fruit and vegetables either raw, steamed, or cooked, and some nuts and legumes. Slightly more advanced diet would be the use of fine plants, herbs, mineral supplements, etc.

If anyone needs personal coaching or training, let me know in private and we can arrange a deal for either consultations on Skype or a written exercise program tailored to what you're looking for or another method. I have my own beginner programs that are suitable for all, it's more like advanced beginner programs, but I can recreate simpler versions, again based on your goals and other factors.

 

[Satyr]

ok, thanks for your contributions. though, this is somewhat a digression from the topic, I as an experienced lifter who has trained for over 10 years now concur with all the advocates of strength training here. And yes, injuries happen in any sport, regardless which one it is. going for your max isn't playing roulette if you know your limits (and thus know how to overcome them) and cultivated a proper technique. In the long run, though, heavy weights are taxing for the bone structure, but then again, certain signs of wear will show in any sport as well if it's practiced with competitive ambition.

@SWM: That you use your pelvic muscles as well is self-evident. How would you not? Do you really think there's just one muscle in your lower body that won't be recruited during squats and DLs? Surely not. Of course, you can stress your PC more extensively (but not necessarily more intensively!) by Kegeling deliberately but that you tax them during strength training is pretty obvious. Just try to flex glut and see what happens. The only reason why maybe nobody ever thought about this is that you (luckily!) don't think about your PC muscles while doing squats and stuff

@borninfigi: what I wanted to know is if there are other lifters who are under the impression that they miss out on the benefits of Kegels. Now, I figure that a lot of people will say yes without even thinking about it because it has become such a commonplace that one usually doesn't scrutinize it, but having a good EQ is a different thing than having a better EQ as a consequence of Kegels. I for my part couldn't affirm that. My EQ in general didn't improve because of Kegels nor did it worsen after I had abandoned them. Moreover, I had less problems in keeping an erection because my PC muscles weren't permanently toned (which was the case almost every time after I kegeled and althoug I certainly didn't overdo it). So this led me to think that I already had very strong PC muscles (to give another example connected to the original therapeutic purposes this exercise was invented :I can literally delay a piss for hours if I want to). And this insight led me to the conjecture that strength training might be the cause of it.

But for those who are irritated about the whole connection between lifting and PC muscle strength (though, it's pretty obvious once you think about it), I could simplify things by just asking if there are some of you who aren't so sure if Kegels served them the benefits which many men ascribe to them (first and foremost a better EQ) and who had similar problems (namely: an often involuntarily flexed PC muscle which is counterproductive in bed). Those of you who did Kegels and then stopped or did them just sporadically (like I did) or - on the other hand - those who had a bad EQ when they started doing them may answer this question best because the somewhat made a trial to isolate the variables in question.

 

[jordey]

ok, thanks for your contributions. though, this is somewhat a digression from the topic, I as an experienced lifter who has trained for over 10 years now concur with all the advocates of strength training here. And yes, injuries happen in any sport, regardless which one it is. going for your max isn't playing roulette if you know your limits (and thus know how to overcome them) and cultivated a proper technique. In the long run, though, heavy weights are taxing for the bone structure, but then again, certain signs of wear will show in any sport as well if it's practiced with competitive ambition.

@SWM: That you use your pelvic muscles as well is self-evident. How would you not? Do you really think there's just one muscle in your lower body that won't be recruited during squats and DLs? Surely not. Of course, you can stress your PC more extensively (but not necessarily more intensively!) by Kegeling deliberately but that you tax them during strength training is pretty obvious. Just try to flex glut and see what happens. The only reason why maybe nobody ever thought about this is that you (luckily!) don't think about your PC muscles while doing squats and stuff

@borninfigi: what I wanted to know is if there are other lifters who are under the impression that they miss out on the benefits of Kegels. Now, I figure that a lot of people will say yes without even thinking about it because it has become such a commonplace that one usually doesn't scrutinize it, but having a good EQ is a different thing than having a better EQ as a consequence of Kegels. I for my part couldn't affirm that. My EQ in general didn't improve because of Kegels nor did it worsen after I had abandoned them. Moreover, I had less problems in keeping an erection because my PC muscles weren't permanently toned (which was the case almost every time after I kegeled and althoug I certainly didn't overdo it). So this led me to think that I already had very strong PC muscles (to give another example connected to the original therapeutic purposes this exercise was invented :I can literally delay a piss for hours if I want to). And this insight led me to the conjecture that strength training might be the cause of it.

But for those who are irritated about the whole connection between lifting and PC muscle strength (though, it's pretty obvious once you think about it), I could simplify things by just asking if there are some of you who aren't so sure if Kegels served them the benefits which many men ascribe to them (first and foremost a better EQ) and who had similar problems (namely: an often involuntarily flexed PC muscle which is counterproductive in bed). Those of you who did Kegels and then stopped or did them just sporadically (like I did) or - on the other hand - those who had a bad EQ when they started doing them may answer this question best because the somewhat made a trial to isolate the variables in question.

well ill give my experiences with it. i am into strength training, and have also never felt much from kegels. doing kegels has never negatively affected me, but i just never really noticed much from doing them, and have pretty good control over my pc muscle so dont really feel the need to do them.

 

[jordey]

also i forgot to add, but the fatigue and training of the pc muscle is probably going to be alot more with stength specific training. most strength training requires alot of intra abdominal pressure, which in turn uses the pelvic floor. just weightlifting (such as in a bodybuilding style) may not have the same effect as there isnt as much focus one the pressure in the body, and more on just stressing individual muscles

 

[partytime5423]

Cyclists have shit eq because they are constantly putting pressure on their perineum and slowly damaging their pelvic floor nerves and muscles.

Lifting, on the other hand, is very beneficial for health. Maybe not super heavy all the time but every now and then is fine, if not optimal.

I cycle for exercise 60 miles per week. My EQ is fine

 

[acromegaly]

It's hard to give a basic answer, but I think heavy weight-lifting for too long uses up most of the body's energy tank and leaves little room for an effective PE session:...

super good point, heavy lifting burdens the pelvic floor AND you are taxing the CNS.
If you have maxed heavy before on squats or deadlifts you know the next day(week sometimes) it can be hard to put your shoes on or wipe your own ass, let alone trying to give 100% effort into penis enlargement.

 

[ULTIM8GAINZ]

And I would continue to kegel, unless you have other effective exercises. I've been doing them for a few years and have only good things to say about them. My EQ hovers around the same margin usually but sometimes it's better than ever, and this is directly correlated to diet and fitness. So I would advise to consider my previous post.

Also on the other side of the spectrum, rather than over-training affecting EQ, lack of exercise will also affect EQ greatly. So it's best to do fitness in between both extremes, for example at least light, moderate, or medium-high exercising. You can even inter-change the intensity and duration of workouts weekly and include, exclude or cycle different exercises here and there. One day I might do 3 exercises, next day 5, then one week I might do the same exercises every day, it's more intuitive.

 

[ma999]

There are a lot of people and forums advocating women to stop doing kegels and to start doing squats. But other PE sites advocate the same thing and it relates the same to men.

"A Kegel attempts to strengthen the pelvic floor, but it really only continues to pull the sacrum inward promoting even more weakness, and more PF gripping. The muscles that balance out the anterior pull on the sacrum are the glutes. A lack of glutes (having no butt) is what makes this group so much more susceptible to pelvic floor disorder (PFD). Zero lumbar curvature (missing the little curve at the small of the back) is the most telling sign that the pelvic floor is beginning to weaken. An easier way to say this is: Weak glutes + too many Kegels = PFD." Squatting also stretches the pelvic floor and blood circulation, and like mentioned causes raises testosterone.

 

[Satyr]

well ill give my experiences with it. i am into strength training, and have also never felt much from kegels. doing kegels has never negatively affected me, but i just never really noticed much from doing them, and have pretty good control over my pc muscle so dont really feel the need to do them.

It's good to hear that I'm not the only that has made this experience. That was the main point I was addressing. If others are under similar impressions I'd love to hear.

regarding the other aspects raised here: I agree and, of course, since I've been long enough in the lifting game I know that it has mainly positive effects on EQ. And it struck me as immediately plausible that the pelvic muscles are trained, too (thanks to Ma99 for the citation, btw>It's a further substantiation of my hypothesis). But I wasn't sure to which degree the PC muscles are conditioned because in terms of strength training (Powerlifting as well btw, cheers to jordey) they aren't a very well discussed matter as you can imagine. So that's why I opened this thread and try to hear experience values from other "heavy" lifters (be it Bodybuilding with an emphasis on compound movements who don't shy away from the 1-5 rep range and train functional strength, weight lifters or PLers).

What I can't subscribe to is Acromegaly's statement: yes, a heavy workout is taxing and sometimes if I go really hard on singles it can be so exhausting that I won't be able to get a good erection afterwards (always train in the evening, so there's not much time in between). But that's the exception, not the rule and on the next morning I'm good to go again. In fact, these are only rare situations, I sometimes even do my PE right after lifting and before I eat due to time management issues and even that works often enough.
There's no way that one is out of business for a week, that's just a dramatic exaggeration. I don't know if you do train like that but your statements seem to be based more on hearsay than on personal experience (no offense but I heard a lot of such comments during the years and they always came from people who themselves lacked experience in that field>same with heavy lifting=bad health. It's just not true for various reasons brought to the fore here by different people). I know from experience and I know it from other experienced athletes I've trained with in the club.

@k18: appreciate your contributions but, with all being said above by me and several others, I also disagree with your opinion that one should do something in between like fitness to maintain a good health. I'm in very good shape (and so is obviously Jordey) and just because I'm a Powerlifter doesn't mean that I eat mainly crap in abundant quantities just to get the calories in. I eat very healthy and have a very low body fat percentage. Because of this and because of my ambitions and my passion for this sport (think about it: how would I otherwise have practiced for over a decade now?) I won't consider changing to fitness even in the slightest. And though you aren't a strength athlete you should be able to relate to this since I'm sure you also have your passions which you wouldn't just simply give up for PE...if it were a matter - what, like I said before from my very opening post on, it isn't because I generally have no EQ-problems,caused by strength training (apart from the rare situations I talked about above) . On the contrary: let alone the higher testosterone etc, obviously I also don't need Kegels because my PC muscles are very strong from strength training (and as it seems I'm not the only one>Jordey for example). Kegels just didn't do anything for me, they didn't improve my EQ. More than that: as I said above they had - in my special case>that doesn't have to apply to others - a negative effect on my EQ insofar as they did induce permanent tension in the PC muscles. Kegels may work for a lot of people, but in my case they don't (except as an auxiliary tool for stretching and girth work). And that's what I wanted to share because I'm interested in hearing other voices who have the same impression.

 

[acromegaly]

What I can't subscribe to is Acromegaly's statement: yes, a heavy workout is taxing and sometimes if I go really hard on singles it can be so exhausting that I won't be able to get a good erection afterwards (always train in the evening, so there's not much time in between). But that's the exception, not the rule and on the next morning I'm good to go again. In fact, these are only rare situations, I sometimes even do my PE right after lifting and before I eat due to time management issues and even that works often enough.
There's no way that one is out of business for a week, that's just a dramatic exaggeration. I don't know if you do train like that but your statements seem to be based more on hearsay than on personal experience (no offense but I heard a lot of such comments during the years and they always came from people who themselves lacked experience in that field>same with heavy lifting=bad health. It's just not true for various reasons brought to the fore here by different people). I know from experience and I know it from other experienced athletes I've trained with in the club.

You caught me dude I don't lift weights, hell I don't even do penis enlargement (I'm a woman) you have all been a part of my elaborate ruse and now I've been exposed I'm so sorry

 

[youknowme123321]

lifting never negatively impacted my EQ or PE workouts. only made them better b/c of the improved health that comes along with them. I did have lower back issues for 6 months at one time but yoga and Pilates solved that

 

[Satyr]

You caught me dude I don't lift weights, hell I don't even do penis enlargement (I'm a woman) you have all been a part of my elaborate ruse and now I've been exposed I'm so sorry

na, don't get cute with me, Missus.rofl You know that I was talkin about lifting heavy (1-3 rep range), not lifting in general. Btw: usually you don't train with your 100% of your RM1, but with 90 or 95% which makes a huge difference with respect to the impact of the CNS. Also you don't train that heavy in every workout, just to make that clear. Other than that, I've never ever heard of somebody being out for a week, not even after a competition.

 

[jordey]

It's good to hear that I'm not the only that has made this experience. That was the main point I was addressing. If others are under similar impressions I'd love to hear.

regarding the other aspects raised here: I agree and, of course, since I've been long enough in the lifting game I know that it has mainly positive effects on EQ. And it struck me as immediately plausible that the pelvic muscles are trained, too (thanks to Ma99 for the citation, btw>It's a further substantiation of my hypothesis). But I wasn't sure to which degree the PC muscles are conditioned because in terms of strength training (Powerlifting as well btw, cheers to jordey) they aren't a very well discussed matter as you can imagine. So that's why I opened this thread and try to hear experience values from other "heavy" lifters (be it Bodybuilding with an emphasis on compound movements who don't shy away from the 1-5 rep range and train functional strength, weight lifters or PLers).

What I can't subscribe to is Acromegaly's statement: yes, a heavy workout is taxing and sometimes if I go really hard on singles it can be so exhausting that I won't be able to get a good erection afterwards (always train in the evening, so there's not much time in between). But that's the exception, not the rule and on the next morning I'm good to go again. In fact, these are only rare situations, I sometimes even do my PE right after lifting and before I eat due to time management issues and even that works often enough.
There's no way that one is out of business for a week, that's just a dramatic exaggeration. I don't know if you do train like that but your statements seem to be based more on hearsay than on personal experience (no offense but I heard a lot of such comments during the years and they always came from people who themselves lacked experience in that field>same with heavy lifting=bad health. It's just not true for various reasons brought to the fore here by different people). I know from experience and I know it from other experienced athletes I've trained with in the club.

@k18: appreciate your contributions but, with all being said above by me and several others, I also disagree with your opinion that one should do something in between like fitness to maintain a good health. I'm in very good shape (and so is obviously Jordey) and just because I'm a Powerlifter doesn't mean that I eat mainly crap in abundant quantities just to get the calories in. I eat very healthy and have a very low body fat percentage. Because of this and because of my ambitions and my passion for this sport (think about it: how would I otherwise have practiced for over a decade now?) I won't consider changing to fitness even in the slightest. And though you aren't a strength athlete you should be able to relate to this since I'm sure you also have your passions which you wouldn't just simply give up for PE...if it were a matter - what, like I said before from my very opening post on, it isn't because I generally have no EQ-problems,caused by strength training (apart from the rare situations I talked about above) . On the contrary: let alone the higher testosterone etc, obviously I also don't need Kegels because my PC muscles are very strong from strength training (and as it seems I'm not the only one>Jordey for example). Kegels just didn't do anything for me, they didn't improve my EQ. More than that: as I said above they had - in my special case>that doesn't have to apply to others - a negative effect on my EQ insofar as they did induce permanent tension in the PC muscles. Kegels may work for a lot of people, but in my case they don't (except as an auxiliary tool for stretching and girth work). And that's what I wanted to share because I'm interested in hearing other voices who have the same impression.

100% agree. as for someone being out for a week after a one rep max, ive never experienced this either. yes, it may take me a week before i can hit 100% again, but then no one hits one rep maxes every week as it would be stupid and an ineffective way of training. im usually fully recovered in a few days as far as cns is concerned, but then your cns doesnt have to be 100% for you to function normally. the only situation i can think of of being out for a week is with a new lifter doing an intense workout, and being sore and stiff for days afterwards, but this is muscular fatigue and not cns fatigue so i suppose the point still stands.

as far as eq goes, having bad eq after a 1rm is probably similar to just being tired from anything - e.g., long day at work, lack of sleep, out and about for ages. just generally fatigue. 1rm's are also usually only done at the most every 6 weeks, so the impact is negligible. i personally only max like every 3 or 4 months so the impact is even less, if any

 

[ma999]

I know this is mostly about EQ but it still goes hand in hand.My plmain interest in this has been on Premature Ejaculation more than EQ. I stumbled on MANY posts on body building. Com on how squating cured their premature ejaculation and EQ. Idk if it is the building the glutes and sacrum pelvic floor relationship I pointed out is the exclusive, or squats doing more based on there movement.I feel squats give a certain stretching to the floor is one idea and it makes it contract in a different manner. I find deads hit my glutes Harder than squating as I tend to be quad dominant. But I don't lift heavy do to time so I fit in martial arts and mostly kettle bell swings. Just my thoughts and experience.

 

[acromegaly]

na, don't get cute with me, Missus.rofl You know that I was talkin about lifting heavy (1-3 rep range), not lifting in general. Btw: usually you don't train with your 100% of your RM1, but with 90 or 95% which makes a huge difference with respect to the impact of the CNS. Also you don't train that heavy in every workout, just to make that clear. Other than that, I've never ever heard of somebody being out for a week, not even after a competition.

If you are in a powerlifting club and everybody doesn't have a fucked up injury then YOURE the liar. This forum is about reality so if you want to pretend that heavy lifting is healthy go away

 

[Satyr]

man, calm down, I've never called you a liar, just said that you seem to lack experience in that field (which is a difference because you never claimed to lift that way nor did I insinuate that you did so) and I expect the same from you. If you would have read carefully what has been written in this thread by me and others, you would have realized that no-one denied that injuries in competitive sports are common, but that holds true for many sports and not only PL or WL. I (and not I alone) just said that heavy lifting per se is not unhealthy or let me put it this way: by far not as unhealthy as you suggest it is. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages. A minor injury here and there is always possible and you won't avoid that in BB either. You can lift heavy safely by calculating your RM percentages carefully and conservatively. A major injury is probable (at least in the long run) if you follow an aggressive competitive protocol (which, needless to say, a lot of competitors do>and yeah, in fact, there were indeed some athletes in my last club who had more severe problems, but they weren't the majority). But that doesn't mean that you can't go heavy, even if you don't compete and do it safely.

 

[BornInFigi]

If you are in a powerlifting club and everybody doesn't have a fucked up injury then YOURE the liar. This forum is about reality so if you want to pretend that heavy lifting is healthy go away

Lolwut?

 

[acromegaly]

Powerlifting helps your EQ? Give me a freaking break. If you want a better dick/sex life how are you going to endorse heavy lifting which will ruin your mobility and feel exhausted all the time.
It's like saying if you want to be a better painter practice on a punching bag. It makes no sense
Sorry if I offended anyone
/rant

 

[ma999]

Acromegaly I don't know you, I'm not offended by your opinion and have every right to it but what are you basing your opinion on? I currently dont lift heavy but have in the past. Ive done Judo and jiu jujitsu for the last 10 years and wrestled 10 before that. I have had trained with world class atheletes and every one I have ever met and trained with has done a heavy lifting regimene and as no effect their mobility.Alll those sports demand mobility and flexibility. Deep squats improve your mobility, in depth and hip extension and has been proven safer and than the old belief that deep squats are bad for you . This can be googled.The people that spout its bad are just like the same ones that PE will make you go impotent and so dangerous who never done . Its ignorance.

As for being exhausted and injury free I found weight lifting once conditioned no more exhausting than any other sport depending on how hard you push. And on injury the group of people I seen with the most injuries are runners and soccer players. Hell look at the rate of injury In PE and people work through it

On lifitng on how it improves your EQ it's been mentioned countless times CNC stress from lifting greatly increase testosterone. The second in like I mentioned their is a lot of evidence about the connection of your pelvic floor and glutes and how kegels can make it worsend people claiming it has fixed there premature ejaculation and EQ. All of it can be googled for more info.

I'm not taking any side or bashing anybodys opinion or belief. My whole interest in this is not lifitng heavy as a whole but the connection of the pelvic floor and glutes relationship and how people are fixing their pre mature ejaculatuon and EQ from that

 

[acromegaly]

Acromegaly I don't know you, I'm not offended by your opinion and have every right to it but what are you basing your opinion on? I currently dont lift heavy but have in the past. Ive done Judo and jiu jujitsu for the last 10 years and wrestled 10 before that. I have had trained with world class atheletes and every one I have ever met and trained with has done a heavy lifting regimene and as no effect their mobility.Alll those sports demand mobility and flexibility. Deep squats improve your mobility, in depth and hip extension and has been proven safer and than the old belief that deep squats are bad for you . This can be googled.The people that spout its bad are just like the same ones that PE will make you go impotent and so dangerous who never done . Its ignorance.

As for being exhausted and injury free I found weight lifting once conditioned no more exhausting than any other sport depending on how hard you push. And on injury the group of people I seen with the most injuries are runners and soccer players. Hell look at the rate of injury In PE and people work through it

On lifitng on how it improves your EQ it's been mentioned countless times CNC stress from lifting greatly increase testosterone. The second in like I mentioned their is a lot of evidence about the connection of your pelvic floor and glutes and how kegels can make it worsend people claiming it has fixed there premature ejaculation and EQ. All of it can be googled for more info.

I'm not taking any side or bashing anybodys opinion or belief. My whole interest in this is not lifitng heavy as a whole but the connection of the pelvic floor and glutes relationship and how people are fixing their pre mature ejaculatuon and EQ from that

I agree that weight lifting is great for your health, but when you start to go overboard with heavy lifting its going to bite you in the ass eventually
I am probably one of the younger guys here, but for several years i was obsessed with strongman and being in the worlds strongest man contest like the guys on tv. I started by joining a powerlifting club. I trained very hard every single day. One day I did front squats after lifting atlas stones and i blew out my hips/groin, and i spent the better part of 2012 stuck in a chair unable to walk...
im not saying DONT LIFT WEIGHTS, what im saying is if you get into an extreme sport like powerlifting or strongman you are not getting healthier you are just taking risks
i currently compete in a different strength sport armwrestling. i am able to be a big strong guy and have friends with similar interest without sacrificing my health. and my sex life has never been better, since that is the whole point of this discussion is how stregth training effects the pelvic floor muscles...

 

[jordey]

I agree that weight lifting is great for your health, but when you start to go overboard with heavy lifting its going to bite you in the ass eventually
I am probably one of the younger guys here, but for several years i was obsessed with strongman and being in the worlds strongest man contest like the guys on tv. I started by joining a powerlifting club. I trained very hard every single day. One day I did front squats after lifting atlas stones and i blew out my hips/groin, and i spent the better part of 2012 stuck in a chair unable to walk...
im not saying DONT LIFT WEIGHTS, what im saying is if you get into an extreme sport like powerlifting or strongman you are not getting healthier you are just taking risks
i currently compete in a different strength sport armwrestling. i am able to be a big strong guy and have friends with similar interest without sacrificing my health. and my sex life has never been better, since that is the whole point of this discussion is how stregth training effects the pelvic floor muscles...

powerlifting and strong man arent extreme sports, and they dont have exreme injuries. statistically, powerlifters and weightlifters dont get injured much compared to other sports. you can certainly get healthier doing these sports, and many do. the ones that do not get healthier are usually the super heavy weights, and/ or those without much knoweldge, and/or those who are taking a large amount of drugs to be at the top. we are not however talking about the top 1% in competitive sports in this thread though, so it is irrelevant.

the reason you got that bad hip injury could be a numbe of things. it could of been innadequate warm up in your hip area. it could of been poor strength in some supporting and stabilising muscles. it could of just been bad luck. on a whole though, the sport or exercise is not to blame. look at how many people injury themselves just in day to day life. think of how many people you know with bad backs or bad joints who dont/ never have lifted.

i went to a powerlifting comp recently as a friend was competing. out of the 60 or so lifters, there was only one injury on the day accross all lifts. the injury wasnt severe, and the guy was 53. if as you say injuries and risk are so great, there surely should of been more injuries. also look at the natural strength lifters on youtbue, and you will find the vast majority are injury free. it seems those on PED's get injured more due to their strength increasing faster than their supporting systems can handle. but again we aren't talking about those in this thread.

i should be competing in powerlifting next year, and have been training for almost 3 years. i dont do any cardio yet my blood pressure is ideal, and my resting heart rate is around 60bpm. im stronger than the average guy, have better bone density and stronger joints. its also a known fact that simply holding more muscle and being active reduces cancer risks and other conditions significantly. so how are these not good for your health? ?

 

[partytime5423]

Powerlifting helps your EQ? Give me a freaking break. If you want a better dick/sex life how are you going to endorse heavy lifting which will ruin your mobility and feel exhausted all the time.
It's like saying if you want to be a better painter practice on a punching bag. It makes no sense
Sorry if I offended anyone
/rant

where is the dislike button

 

[BornInFigi]

where is the dislike button

Alright let's cool it. Get back to the OP. Acro is a brother here and demands our respect. I still need to think about this some more. Satyr is quite the word smith.

 

[youknowme123321]

If you are in a powerlifting club and everybody doesn't have a fucked up injury then YOURE the liar. This forum is about reality so if you want to pretend that heavy lifting is healthy go away

Powerlifting helps your EQ? Give me a freaking break. If you want a better dick/sex life how are you going to endorse heavy lifting which will ruin your mobility and feel exhausted all the time.
It's like saying if you want to be a better painter practice on a punching bag. It makes no sense
Sorry if I offended anyone
/rant

are you just goofing and trolling us all acro? everything you are saying seems like your trolling just for the fun of it. or it seems like it is being said my someone who has 0 experience with heavy lifting or lifting of any kind. or maybe a person who tried to lift weights and perform exercises they weren't ready to and hurt themselves

where is the dislike button

lol

 

[boohoohoo]

I used to do daily heavy lifting (I know most people believe in breaks, but I didn't), but I was mainly focused on bodybuilding and aesthetics. Nonetheless I did train with heavy weights and I focused on almost every major muscle group in my body. I am not sure exactly if doing so had any effect on anything related to my PC muscles, but back when I was lifting I would get monster erections later in the day (I always lifted in the early mornings).

I really do not know what it is that caused these huge erections, but I am fairly certain it had more to do with the pump I would get from training rather than my PC muscles. My theory on this was that since my body got used to getting a huge pump in places like my chest, arms, back, legs, etc., this mainly was causing my body to circulate blood more thoroughly, which is basically what happens when you get a pump and the same thing with an erection.

Now I know the goal of strength training is different than that of bodybuilding (bodybuilding is basically obsessed with getting a pump in a specific muscle group and forcing it to grow through repetitions like that), but power lifting also causes one to get a pump. So that is my take on why the OP has seen better erection quality from heavy lifting as opposed to something to do with the PC muscles.

Sorry if my sentence structure was a bit fucked in this post, I am just a bit tired lol.

 

[BornInFigi]

are you just goofing and trolling us all acro? everything you are saying seems like your trolling just for the fun of it. or it seems like it is being said my someone who has 0 experience with heavy lifting or lifting of any kind. or maybe a person who tried to lift weights and perform exercises they weren't ready to and hurt themselves


lol

Ok guy. Let's give it a rest. Brotherhood.

 

[acromegaly]

are you just goofing and trolling us all acro? everything you are saying seems like your trolling just for the fun of it. or it seems like it is being said my someone who has 0 experience with heavy lifting or lifting of any kind. or maybe a person who tried to lift weights and perform exercises they weren't ready to and hurt themselves


lol

It's fine if you want to come and trash talk me because I'm at a point in my life where I'm mature enough I don't have to argue about stupid shit on the Internet with people who have shown their body and look like they don't even lift. I have posted a pic of my dick which I never wanted to do in the first place, and now you are challenging me about weight training? I want to retain a level of anonymity here and if you need me to post proof of my strength, too bad I'm not doing it. If one person listens to my story and benefits than that's great

 

[youknowme123321]

If you are in a powerlifting club and everybody doesn't have a fucked up injury then YOURE the liar. This forum is about reality so if you want to pretend that heavy lifting is healthy go away

Powerlifting helps your EQ? Give me a freaking break. If you want a better dick/sex life how are you going to endorse heavy lifting which will ruin your mobility and feel exhausted all the time.
It's like saying if you want to be a better painter practice on a punching bag. It makes no sense
Sorry if I offended anyone
/rant

It's fine if you want to come and trash talk me because I'm at a point in my life where I'm mature enough I don't have to argue about stupid shit on the Internet with people who have shown their body and look like they don't even lift. I have posted a pic of my dick which I never wanted to do in the first place, and now you are challenging me about weight training? I want to retain a level of anonymity here and if you need me to post proof of my strength, too bad I'm not doing it. If one person listens to my story and benefits than that's great

i haven't lifted in 3 years. own a business and fell out of the routine. when i did lift 6 days a week though my EQ and sex life was great. still is now. not a single injury except a tight back which was fixed with pilates and yoga. did mess up my shoulder but that included a nice kimura (jiu-jitsu related) then doing pulling ups the same day. not sure where your comments about lifting and 100% injury occurrence plus horrible sex life are coming from. let's say you know 200 people (none of us know that many) who olympic lift and all of them had the issues you are talking about. what about the uncountable # of others who didn't suffer any of that. you actually think they are liars?? my mobility only improve when i started lifting in middle school. and when it comes to EQ fortunately i have never had issues unless alcohol was involved. i can't think of a form of exercise that isnt good for EQ and sex life. please support your statements.

he pelvic floor muscles should be engaged when lifting.

 

[Zambrodom3]

I say- try to find the reason somewhere outside of the gym. As people said above- there can be numerous reasons like hormones, nutrition, mental stimulation, exhaustion etc.

 

[samuriajack]

i workout and just had to take a break for the first time in awhile 2 days later i acheived an erection that filledup my girth it normally just get hard at the length but this time it when to my length and added like .3 girth i didnt know i had i think im 6 girth now hahhaa btw light weight cardio is the best if anything and dont workout to exhaustion , your dick needs nutrients aswell dont use up all your t at the gym

 

[Zambrodom3]

i workout and just had to take a break for the first time in awhile 2 days later i acheived an erection that filledup my girth it normally just get hard at the length but this time it when to my length and added like .3 girth i didnt know i had i think im 6 girth now hahhaa btw light weight cardio is the best if anything and dont workout to exhaustion , your dick needs nutrients aswell dont use up all your t at the gym

Hmm, it seems like strength training is VERY demanding on the body's energy resources, which leads to exhaustion of the body, which may lead to decreased EQ. Ecen though strength training does improve the hormone environment- it seems like it is too demanding on the energy resources of the body. This is the ONLY logical explanation I have so far...