So I used the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] for the first time today. All i have to say is wow!! I got an amazing stretch with it on. I did try something different with the wrapping. I used the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace bandage[/words] and instead of wrapping the whole penis i only wrapped the middle. So like an inch below the head. That seemed to work pretty well. Still kinda hurt but my head got a little numb so that took some of the discomfort away. Did the newbie stretches with it on and i havent gotten a stretch like that yet. This is amazing. Now all i need is commitment and dedication to get the length i want.