what do you guys think about LOT Theory?

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titile says it all, what do you guys think about lot theory? btw I have a LOT of roughly 8 what should I focus on to increase length as in manual exercises
thanks guys
 
LOT theory is more of a measurement system of where the greatest length gains would be based on your loss of tug back or LOT. Those with longer ligs have lower lots while those with shorter ligs have higher lots. With exercise like Behind the Cheeks Stretching, LOT has little meaning as even the longest ligaments will be stretched in this position. LOT puts focus on Tunica stretching when ligaments are too long. I do not agree with this, I think length should cover all major areas no matter where you lose tug back.

The three areas of Length that are most important:

1. Ligamental
2. Tunica/Shaft
3. Internal Penis

Regardless of LOT every man should be concentrating on these three areas, just in case:)
 
doublelongdaddy;509404 said:
LOT theory is more of a measurement system of where the greatest length gains would be based on your loss of tug back or LOT. Those with longer ligs have lower lots while those with shorter ligs have higher lots. With exercise like Behind the Cheeks Stretching, LOT has little meaning as even the longest ligaments will be stretched in this position. LOT puts focus on Tunica stretching when ligaments are too long. I do not agree with this, I think length should cover all major areas no matter where you lose tug back.

The three areas of Length that are most important:

1. Ligamental
2. Tunica/Shaft
3. Internal Penis

Regardless of LOT every man should be concentrating on these three areas, just in case:)
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DLD,

Well, you are partially correct. The goal is to get the ligs fully stretched out (an LOT of 6:00), meaning that when you're doing tunica work, the ligs would be too long to take stress away from the tunica. I gave this example just the other day. Let's say you are doing DLD Blasters. If your ligs are high up, at the front face of your pubic bone, then the stress from the Blaster will be divided by three tissues: the outer tunica, the susp. ligs, and patially the part of the inner shaft which is held up by the susp. ligs. So the stress is being divided, and therefore each of the tissues receive a different force. In this example, if the ligs are tight, then they would take a much greater percentage of the overall force. This is where LOT come in. If you stretch out those susp. ligs first, enough so that they are not interfering with the force of the Blasters, then the outer shaft and the entire inner tunica take the load, and gains can be realized much faster, more efficiently. Once your ligs are out of the way, your target tissue would be the tunica. As you make tunica gains, the shaft gets longer, and the ligs follow the length gained on the shaft, and therefore become tight again, raising your LOT once again. And so you would switch to dedicated lig work, such as BTC, to stretch them out again. Thus, your LOT tells you what tissues you should be focusing on, either ligs or tunica, so that gains can be made more efficiently, rather than taking the shotgun approach, trying to deform all the tissues at the same time, which results in very, very, very slow gains. The Blasters were just an example. The point is, if the ligs are long enough, your inner shaft will take more of the stress, resulting in more micro damage along the ENTIRE shaft (as opposed to just the outer shaft and ligs), which will bring better gains.

The tighter the ligs, the higher the LOT, the more potential for gains from lig stretch. That is it.
 
cg1;509428 said:
DLD,

Well, you are partially correct. The goal is to get the ligs fully stretched out (an LOT of 6:00), meaning that when you're doing tunica work, the ligs would be too long to take stress away from the tunica. I gave this example just the other day. Let's say you are doing DLD Blasters. If your ligs are high up, at the front face of your pubic bone, then the stress from the Blaster will be divided by three tissues: the outer tunica, the susp. ligs, and patially the part of the inner shaft which is held up by the susp. ligs. So the stress is being divided, and therefore each of the tissues receive a different force. In this example, if the ligs are tight, then they would take a much greater percentage of the overall force. This is where LOT come in. If you stretch out those susp. ligs first, enough so that they are not interfering with the force of the Blasters, then the outer shaft and the entire inner tunica take the load, and gains can be realized much faster, more efficiently. Once your ligs are out of the way, your target tissue would be the tunica. As you make tunica gains, the shaft gets longer, and the ligs follow the length gained on the shaft, and therefore become tight again, raising your LOT once again. And so you would switch to dedicated lig work, such as BTC, to stretch them out again. Thus, your LOT tells you what tissues you should be focusing on, either ligs or tunica, so that gains can be made more efficiently, rather than taking the shotgun approach, trying to deform all the tissues at the same time, which results in very, very, very slow gains. The Blasters were just an example. The point is, if the ligs are long enough, your inner shaft will take more of the stress, resulting in more micro damage along the ENTIRE shaft (as opposed to just the outer shaft and ligs), which will bring better gains.

The tighter the ligs, the higher the LOT, the more potential for gains from lig stretch. That is it.
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Inside out of what I was saying:) You are correct, in that respect there is a much heavier load going to the Tunica and less to the ligaments. It would also make it easier to get a more effective stretch when training for Tunica gains as simple, upward stretching is usually too weak (imo).
 
besisdes that, i don't believe the suspension ligament is entirely responsible for "tugback". i think it has to do wit other ligaments and muscles too. i'm no anatomy expert but i dont think the suspension lig doesnt attach to the pc muscle so i dont see why it would do anything while kegel.
 
DLD said:
LOT theory is more of a measurement system of where the greatest length gains would be based on your loss of tug back or LOT. Those with longer ligs have lower lots while those with shorter ligs have higher lots. With exercise like Behind the Cheeks Stretching, LOT has little meaning as even the longest ligaments will be stretched in this position. LOT puts focus on Tunica stretching when ligaments are too long. I do not agree with this, I think length should cover all major areas no matter where you lose tug back.

The three areas of Length that are most important:

1. Ligamental
2. Tunica/Shaft
3. Internal Penis

Regardless of LOT every man should be concentrating on these three areas, just in case:)
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A very informative post.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
A very important bump as well to emphasize that Behind The Cheeks Bundled Stretches (preferably with LengthMaster 3) are superior to anything else. Fast gains are guaranteed as long as you follow SRT.
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Something keep telling me that there is up to 1 inch of length gains that I can make within 6 to 9 months of doing this exercise with the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging if I focus on doing only behind the cheeks stretches. This is one LengthMaster exercise that I never did.

I will see if I can get one. Maybe next year January I will focus exclusively on length all through the year 2025 and only do girth for maintenance once in a week.
 
huge-girth said:
Something keep telling me that there is up to 1 inch of length gains that I can make within 6 to 9 months of doing this exercise with the LengthMaster if I focus on doing only behind the cheeks stretches. This is one LengthMaster exercise that I never did.

I will see if I can get one. Maybe next year January I will focus exclusively on length all through the year 2025 and only do girth for maintenance once in a week.
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You can get 2 Inch increase in length with that exercises within a year if you want to.
If you never did BTC-BS you have a lot to get from it.
It's a powerful exercise with no limitations.
 
Worthless
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
You can get 2 Inch increase in length with that exercises within a year if you want to.
If you never did BTC-BS you have a lot to get from it.
It's a powerful exercise with no limitations.
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I will keep this in mind.
 
DLD said:
LOT theory is more of a measurement system of where the greatest length gains would be based on your loss of tug back or LOT. Those with longer ligs have lower lots while those with shorter ligs have higher lots. With exercise like Behind the Cheeks Stretching, LOT has little meaning as even the longest ligaments will be stretched in this position. LOT puts focus on Tunica stretching when ligaments are too long. I do not agree with this, I think length should cover all major areas no matter where you lose tug back.

The three areas of Length that are most important:

1. Ligamental
2. Tunica/Shaft
3. Internal Penis

Regardless of LOT every man should be concentrating on these three areas, just in case:)
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DLD already focused on the three primary areas of discussion. Bib's LOT theory does have relevance info, but the info is also lacking and hasn't been updated in 2 decades. Fundamental info has been discovered and proven, and a few theory in the LOT's lost to the overall discovery where the SRT took over.

1. Ligamental:

In LOT theory, the following statements are focused:

High LOT: Quicker and easier gains by stretching or hanging at low angles. LOT will decrease as the ligaments are stretched.
Low LOT: Slower and harder gains by stretching or hanging at high angles. LOT will increase as the length of the tunica catches up with the ligaments, so to speak.
High and Low LOT statement are true, as low and extreme angles between and behind the cheeks pull on the two ligaments that are restrictive to internal penile elongation. However, the statement of 6 o'clock for hanging and stretching is partially true. It's a full range of 4 to 8 o'clock with negative angles of 25 to 90 degrees, forming behind the cheeks and under the thighs through SRT. Less influence on the ligaments generate lower yield.

In reality, the ligaments are not the first behind affected. It's actually the muscle tissues around the ligaments yielding first before the anchoring fibers of the ligaments on the pubic bones start to yield. You have to compare the resilient ligaments between the arms, legs, and hip joints due to continual activities versus the very low mobility of the penis. These two ligaments are hardly being used and barely being engaged daily. The ligaments are not not conditioned to "flex", "stretch", or "grow". There are only two conditions they will undergo, which is "disconnection" and "breaking". Disconnection is the fibers and muscles tissues holding down the ligaments that are giving up, allowing the ligaments to mobilize and the internal segment of the penile shaft to come out. There are various studies done in measuring the erection angles of healthy young men, and as more stresses done on the ligaments, the erection angles (where the glans pointing straight up toward the stomach) loss elevation and starting to point out and down as ligamental strains being performed over time. This is an indicator of anchoring points migration and not ligamental stretches. There were comparative ultrasound comparative studies between those who hang with heavy weights versus those use traction devices at angles between 4 to 8 o'clock. Traction devices that were limited between 2.5lbs to as high as 3.5lbs over time did place stresses on the ligaments and the penile shaft tissues. This was the only indication of ligamental stretches. SRT pointed this out with 0.5lbs per 2 to 4 weeks is the correct proper info to initiate ligamental stretching. However, there are no indicator of maximum limitation on weight loading that prevents ligament disconnection.

However, brother SIM touched a base on tears and repair process using high aggressive methods, such as his Terminator pose for behind the cheeks and dynamic stretches (pulling). Highly aggressive stretches at first initiate the ligamental stresses at the fibrous connections on the bone, and reverse back to dynamic tugging to prevent disconnection of the fibrous connection, focusing on the stressing of the muscle tissues around the ligaments. He did a 1 day on-1 day off routine, which allows the body to expedite the healing processes within the resting gaps. He also wrapped his penis for elongation healing, which is outside the LOT statements and fundamentally fall within the SRT statements.

To wrap this point home, LOT lacks foresight on the anatomical activities. SRT covers more, but still lack a bit of info. Both came out in the same era, but SRT goes far beyond the ligamental approach.

2. Tunica/Shaft

SRT focuses on the soft tissues growth as well, both on elongation and internal expansion. It's not about forcing the ligaments to yield so you can recover the hidden penile segment, but it's about the formation of new cellular growth along the entire tunica for extra length. Elongation can only provide so much growth, but expansion also is required to add new reinforcement growth to the length. It's like a tall building with a weak structure. You need a hefty base all the way to the top to reinforce the entire tower.

3. Internal Penis

As we have discussed in other posts, there is a hidden segment of penile shaft below the base of the penis, hindered by the ligaments. It can range from 0.5in to as long as 1.5in. That's a lot of hidden segment. Once you exhausted that segment, you can only rely on tunica growth. SRT covers the entire penile growth.

We can cover even more fact discoveries for the SRT, but again, SRT is no longer theory, but it's already proven fact.
 
oldandlively said:
However, brother SIM touched a base on tears and repair process using high aggressive methods, such as his Terminator pose for behind the cheeks and dynamic stretches (pulling). Highly aggressive stretches at first initiate the ligamental stresses at the fibrous connections on the bone, and reverse back to dynamic tugging to prevent disconnection of the fibrous connection, focusing on the stressing of the muscle tissues around the ligaments. He did a 1 day on-1 day off routine, which allows the body to expedite the healing processes within the resting gaps. He also wrapped his penis for elongation healing, which is outside the LOT statements and fundamentally fall within the SRT statements.
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I did 3 days on 1 day off (but it was flexible as well, depending on recovery time of penis skin).

But this text scares me.
oldandlively said:
to prevent disconnection of the fibrous connection
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😱😳

I suppose my mind body connection is on point. I never knew how hard I was stretching, I just regulated everything to the feeling in my inner penis and ligaments.

Oh man! I don't think I was at the limit, I hope not.
 
Nah! It was all good.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
I did 3 days on 1 day off (but it was flexible as well, depending on recovery time of penis skin).

But this text scares me.


😱😳

I suppose my mind body connection is on point. I never knew how hard I was stretching, I just regulated everything to the feeling in my inner penis and ligaments.

Oh man! I don't think I was at the limit, I hope not.
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Based on your logs, you were doing it correctly. There were days that you rested in between each day of routines due to fatigue, and there were days you attacked the ligaments and tissues because the feeling was not there. the tug and pull was practically spot on. Since you use only arm strength, you adjusted the amount of traction force according to the tissue's fatigue requirements. Hanging don't allow that flexibility and adaptability. Manual pulling by hands restrict the amount of tensions you can apply through mechanical force, like the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging or the traction devices with high tension springs.

This is why safety should be issued constantly, while we monitor our routines, observe the fatigue levels, and make sure to increase the traction force as needed. Same goes for pumping.
 
oldandlively said:
Based on your logs, you were doing it correctly. There were days that you rested in between each day of routines due to fatigue, and there were days you attacked the ligaments and tissues because the feeling was not there. the tug and pull was practically spot on. Since you use only arm strength, you adjusted the amount of traction force according to the tissue's fatigue requirements. Hanging don't allow that flexibility and adaptability. Manual pulling by hands restrict the amount of tensions you can apply through mechanical force, like the LM or the traction devices with high tension springs.

This is why safety should be issued constantly, while we monitor our routines, observe the fatigue levels, and make sure to increase the traction force as needed. Same goes for pumping.
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Good to hear. I felt good and it worked.

I was also able to pull harder because I modified my LengthMaster 3. The handlebars where flexing and I didn't want that. Put a short broomstick to prevent the top chamber from tilting forward + made the clamp down point more secure. I also did other things like making the handles bigger for a better and non tiring grip, and lastly I added a second handlebar for maximum bundles. It was needed to get the optimal angle in relation to the glans, in order to stretch the hardest.
 
oldandlively said:
DLD already focused on the three primary areas of discussion. Bib's LOT theory does have relevance info, but the info is also lacking and hasn't been updated in 2 decades. Fundamental info has been discovered and proven, and a few theory in the LOT's lost to the overall discovery where the SRT took over.

1. Ligamental:

In LOT theory, the following statements are focused:

High LOT: Quicker and easier gains by stretching or hanging at low angles. LOT will decrease as the ligaments are stretched.
Low LOT: Slower and harder gains by stretching or hanging at high angles. LOT will increase as the length of the tunica catches up with the ligaments, so to speak.
High and Low LOT statement are true, as low and extreme angles between and behind the cheeks pull on the two ligaments that are restrictive to internal penile elongation. However, the statement of 6 o'clock for hanging and stretching is partially true. It's a full range of 4 to 8 o'clock with negative angles of 25 to 90 degrees, forming behind the cheeks and under the thighs through SRT. Less influence on the ligaments generate lower yield.

In reality, the ligaments are not the first behind affected. It's actually the muscle tissues around the ligaments yielding first before the anchoring fibers of the ligaments on the pubic bones start to yield. You have to compare the resilient ligaments between the arms, legs, and hip joints due to continual activities versus the very low mobility of the penis. These two ligaments are hardly being used and barely being engaged daily. The ligaments are not not conditioned to "flex", "stretch", or "grow". There are only two conditions they will undergo, which is "disconnection" and "breaking". Disconnection is the fibers and muscles tissues holding down the ligaments that are giving up, allowing the ligaments to mobilize and the internal segment of the penile shaft to come out. There are various studies done in measuring the erection angles of healthy young men, and as more stresses done on the ligaments, the erection angles (where the glans pointing straight up toward the stomach) loss elevation and starting to point out and down as ligamental strains being performed over time. This is an indicator of anchoring points migration and not ligamental stretches. There were comparative ultrasound comparative studies between those who hang with heavy weights versus those use traction devices at angles between 4 to 8 o'clock. Traction devices that were limited between 2.5lbs to as high as 3.5lbs over time did place stresses on the ligaments and the penile shaft tissues. This was the only indication of ligamental stretches. SRT pointed this out with 0.5lbs per 2 to 4 weeks is the correct proper info to initiate ligamental stretching. However, there are no indicator of maximum limitation on weight loading that prevents ligament disconnection.

However, brother SIM touched a base on tears and repair process using high aggressive methods, such as his Terminator pose for behind the cheeks and dynamic stretches (pulling). Highly aggressive stretches at first initiate the ligamental stresses at the fibrous connections on the bone, and reverse back to dynamic tugging to prevent disconnection of the fibrous connection, focusing on the stressing of the muscle tissues around the ligaments. He did a 1 day on-1 day off routine, which allows the body to expedite the healing processes within the resting gaps. He also wrapped his penis for elongation healing, which is outside the LOT statements and fundamentally fall within the SRT statements.

To wrap this point home, LOT lacks foresight on the anatomical activities. SRT covers more, but still lack a bit of info. Both came out in the same era, but SRT goes far beyond the ligamental approach.

2. Tunica/Shaft

SRT focuses on the soft tissues growth as well, both on elongation and internal expansion. It's not about forcing the ligaments to yield so you can recover the hidden penile segment, but it's about the formation of new cellular growth along the entire tunica for extra length. Elongation can only provide so much growth, but expansion also is required to add new reinforcement growth to the length. It's like a tall building with a weak structure. You need a hefty base all the way to the top to reinforce the entire tower.

3. Internal Penis

As we have discussed in other posts, there is a hidden segment of penile shaft below the base of the penis, hindered by the ligaments. It can range from 0.5in to as long as 1.5in. That's a lot of hidden segment. Once you exhausted that segment, you can only rely on tunica growth. SRT covers the entire penile growth.

We can cover even more fact discoveries for the SRT, but again, SRT is no longer theory, but it's already proven fact.
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I have realized LOT is nothing more than a LOT of bullshit
 
DLD said:
I have realized LOT is nothing more than a LOT of bullshit
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I have never bothered to understand this bullshit. 😂

Just stretching Behind The Cheeks Bundled will nullify this theory completely (I say this, even when I don't understand this theory completely).
 
SIM - TEST ACCOUNT said:
I have never bothered to understand this bullshit. 😂

Just stretching Behind The Cheeks Bundled will nullify this theory completely (I say this, even when I don't understand this theory completely).
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Exactly correct!
 
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