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IPP 40%
IPM 20%
OA 10%
PG 10%
OS 5%
D-lim 5%
DMSO 10%
In how big of a batch do you make this?
IPM 20%
OA 10%
PG 10%
OS 5%
D-lim 5%
DMSO 10%
In how big of a batch do you make this?
Originally posted by quijjiboo
final update: 1 week after stopping the applications im at 6.75 BP X5 (mid)
I was pretty much only working length during the time, and it shows. it wasnt a true .75 gain im guessing .25 of that was measuring error, but ill definitely be starting a new cycle in a months time. if i see another .5 after the next cycle, then ill be convinced its from the transdermal
Originally posted by Supra
Hey ItsElectric, any changes?
a) safety, there were several studies done with this kind of treatment and there weren't any reported side effectsOriginally posted by WideAwake
Why didn't you use a DHT precursor such as 3alpha or 5aa?
Were you afraid of possibly effecting your prostrate (a very valid concern IMO, considering that much of the tissue in the penis leads directly to it...)
[sarcasm]No, I though my month's goal of 20X14 was a little unrealistic so I bumped it down a little.[/sarcasm] :DGardenier90 said:You're kidding right?
lolquijjiboo said:[sarcasm]No, I though my month's goal of 20X14 was a little unrealistic so I bumped it down a little.[/sarcasm] :D
mike2003 said:I'm thinking of buying the 4derm product, but I am concerned about the possible risks involved. I'm currently taking beta blockers to keep a regular heart rhytHydromax. Is there risk of hairloss, increase in estrogen (resulting in bitch tits), or enlarged prostrate?
quijjiboo said:I have to say yes, it is possible for those sides to happen. But I think the chances are very slim.
See 4AD does not aromatize (convert to estrogen), but around 15% of it converts to testosterone in the body, which will aromatize (some of it). So the estrogenic side effects would be equivalent to that of dose of testosterone 15% of how much 4AD you're taking.
The average dose of 4AD is around 2-400mg/day. Because of the absorption rate of a transdermal is not 100%, somewhere around 25-35%, you are absorbing (say you apply 400/day) 120mg/day. This works out to a total of an extra 126mg of testosterone per week. And this is very close to the dose doctors use for testosterone replacement therapy (which is obviously pretty safe), so thoery says you don't have to worry about estrogen.
WideAwake said:Do you think you can apply 400mg/day (absorb 120mg/day) via just using the gel on your penis?
That seems a little high to me, as I would think (from experience) that you can only get about 1ml-2ml or so of gel on the penis at one time, and usually you're not going to be able to get more than 50mg/ml of 4ad in solution at any one time.
So you apply 2ml, at 50mg/ml, you have 100mg on you penis, and than use the 30% rule for absorption to get you to 30mg per app (60mg per day) on your penis.
Right?
Or are you going to be applying the 4ad to other spots as well (delts, tris, etc...)? Though then you're just basically running a transdermal ph stack.
For what it's worth...I would use the site specific gel that one of the companies came out with (used to be Avant Labs Gel#3) and some 3alpha or 5aa....