PE vs Pushing Products / Time vs Money.

MaxRichards · Jul 23, 2016

Let's not beat around the bush: Product sales are what keeps forums like this alive and pockets lined so now that that's out of the way let's discuss the time vs money aspect of PE.

If we're to use fast gainers as an example: They gained fast due to the amount of time they dedicated to PE, not due to the amount of toys they bought. Even DLD reckons that his first inch in 6 months claim to fame was manual work only (is that correct?)

So what I'm trying to get at here is that worrying about the cost of equipment and waiting till you can buy it should not in any way prevent new guys from gaining. Tools or no tools, the same time investment needs to be made SO GET PULLING :cool:

kyomoto · Jul 23, 2016

Manuals over products. Especially as a beginner. I see DLD and others suggesting equipment for beginners when you need to let them gain first with manuals.

pogzee · Jul 24, 2016

the prducts i feel are mainly to cement the gains AFTER ur done doing manual.....

deadwood187 · Jul 24, 2016

MaxRichards;700307 said:
Let's not beat around the bush: Product sales are what keeps forums like this alive and pockets lined so now that that's out of the way let's discuss the time vs money aspect of PE.

If we're to use fast gainers as an example: They gained fast due to the amount of time they dedicated to PE, not due to the amount of toys they bought. Even DLD reckons that his first inch in 6 months claim to fame was manual work only (is that correct?)

So what I'm trying to get at here is that worrying about the cost of equipment and waiting till you can buy it should not in any way prevent new guys from gaining. Tools or no tools, the same time investment needs to be made SO GET PULLING :cool:

This is what I have been finding. Time invested is what makes me grow at this point (I had massive newbie gains doing things half assed). If I put in 2+ hrs. a day it grows. I don't think it has a choice.Time is the number one investment in this game.

Munto · Jul 24, 2016

Tools are great

!

And I agree that they might not be a necessity for a newbie, but certainly can help.
It's great that one can gain using just their hands, especially in the beginning with all the doubts.

usercina95 · Jul 24, 2016

As a half newbie, i do the stretches from DLD-s 1 inch in 12 weeks routine: 3+1+1+1 sets with pulls in 4 directions ( + behind the cheeks for 30 sec ). For length ,should i do more or is this good?

kyomoto · Jul 24, 2016

usercina95;700391 said:
As a half newbie, i do the stretches from DLD-s 1 inch in 12 weeks routine: 3+1+1+1 sets with pulls in 4 directions ( + behind the cheeks for 30 sec ). For length ,should i do more or is this good?

This is good. When you finish your 12 weeks add more exercise OR increase the time of each hold of stretch. So from 30 seconds you move it to 45 seconds each stretch or more.

DLD · Jul 25, 2016

The ultimate will always be the combination of manuals with tools. The Newbie Routine will get you so far and that is why SRT has become so popular, it is the ultimate routine that uses all methods to create gains so much faster. Either alone will bring gains but when combined, they are much more powerful. The nice thing about MOS is every frequent Brother has a chance each month to get a tool for free. This should be achieved if you can not afford equipment.

DLD · Jul 25, 2016

MaxRichards;700307 said:
Let's not beat around the bush: Product sales are what keeps forums like this alive and pockets lined so now that that's out of the way let's discuss the time vs money aspect of PE.

Lets not beat around the BUSH, I do not keep my pockets lined with anything but LOVE for the Brotherhood. Never, ever put me into that category. It is rude and untrue. This forum costs a great deal of money and we never ask for donations! We give away thousands of dollars in free equipment. The money we make gets reinvested into the Brotherhood. If you believe I am in it for the money, check my record. And remember where any money I make goes! What I do not need goes to charity. And I have done this everyday for 14 years! FOR FREE!

MaxRichards · Jul 26, 2016

Don't take it the wrong way DLD. There was no value judgement being made with that comment. Marketing is the bread and butter of the internet.

That's why I wanted to get that out of the way before going into the time vs cost aspect of PE so that people don't misinterpret the idea behind the topic, which is that time is the driving force behind PE. Whether you're using products or going all natural, the same amount of time needs to be invested. No short cuts and no need for breaking the piggy bank for every new toy.

To be more succinct: Whether you're pulling your dick with your hands or a gadget, your dick is still being pulled so whatever way you can pull, just pull that dick.

You're a perfect example of that philosophy. 1" in 6 months with no gadgets. If that's not motivation, I don't know what is.

templnite · Jul 26, 2016

doublelongdaddy;700469 said:
Lets not beat around the BUSH, I do not keep my pockets lined with anything but LOVE for the Brotherhood. Never, ever put me into that category. It is rude and untrue. This forum costs a great deal of money and we never ask for donations! We give away thousands of dollars in free equipment. The money we make gets reinvested into the Brotherhood. If you believe I am in it for the money, check my record. And remember where any money I make goes! What I do not need goes to charity. And I have done this everyday for 14 years! FOR FREE!

(fully torqued) 😍 thanks mike, youre awesome:D

kyomoto · Jul 26, 2016

MaxRichards;700489 said:
Don't take it the wrong way DLD. There was no value judgement being made with that comment. Marketing is the bread and butter of the internet.

That's why I wanted to get that out of the way before going into the time vs cost aspect of PE so that people don't misinterpret the idea behind the topic, which is that time is the driving force behind PE. Whether you're using products or going all natural, the same amount of time needs to be invested. No short cuts and no need for breaking the piggy bank for every new toy.

To be more succinct: Whether you're pulling your dick with your hands or a gadget, your dick is still being pulled so whatever way you can pull, just pull that dick.

You're a perfect example of that philosophy. 1" in 6 months with no gadgets. If that's not motivation, I don't know what is.

Driving force behind PE is unrealistic. Gain this much in so and so time! Stuff like that reels you in to buy the product but people never are educated properly to start with manuals and start slow etc. And with just buying a product and not using it properly they dismiss the idea that PE works.

DLD · Jul 26, 2016

templnite;700507 said:
(fully torqued) 😍 thanks mike, youre awesome:D

Thank You my Brother!

DLD · Jul 26, 2016

MaxRichards;700489 said:
Don't take it the wrong way DLD. There was no value judgement being made with that comment. Marketing is the bread and butter of the internet.

That's why I wanted to get that out of the way before going into the time vs cost aspect of PE so that people don't misinterpret the idea behind the topic, which is that time is the driving force behind PE. Whether you're using products or going all natural, the same amount of time needs to be invested. No short cuts and no need for breaking the piggy bank for every new toy.

To be more succinct: Whether you're pulling your dick with your hands or a gadget, your dick is still being pulled so whatever way you can pull, just pull that dick.

You're a perfect example of that philosophy. 1" in 6 months with no gadgets. If that's not motivation, I don't know what is.

I was never the one who started the requests for equipment, it was the Brotherhood, and on their behalf I have gotten the best deals possible on the equipment we use. I would never sell a product just for money, believe me, I am world famous for what I do and I have been offered great sums of money to affiliate with companies that have products that do not work. Unlike other forums I will not cheat my Brothers out of their money. Today PE has become a sport of exercise and tools and these changes have brought gains so much faster than if they were not available. I hope we make a lot of money some day because that would mean I could help so many others that need it. Money means shit to me, my greatest love is for my LORD, family and Brotherhood.

I will say that other forums and sites do only care about money and all they want is to line their pockets, that is sick and wrong. Money should be the product of success not fraud.

kyomoto · Jul 26, 2016

doublelongdaddy;700560 said:
I was never the one who started the requests for equipment, it was the Brotherhood, and on their behalf I have gotten the best deals possible on the equipment we use. I would never sell a product just for money, believe me, I am world famous for what I do and I have been offered great sums of money to affiliate with companies that have products that do not work. Unlike other forums I will not cheat my Brothers out of their money. Today PE has become a sport of exercise and tools and these changes have brought gains so much faster than if they were not available. I hope we make a lot of money some day because that would mean I could help so many others that need it. Money means shit to me, my greatest love is for my LORD, family and Brotherhood.

I will say that other forums and sites do only care about money and all they want is to line their pockets, that is sick and wrong. Money should be the product of success not fraud.

This is true. The part of the brotherhood wanting the products or ways to gain more.

deadwood187 · Jul 26, 2016

Good products make PE easier. You don't need them but it will make the journey faster and easier. It's like gaining mass.I can do prison style workouts with no equipment and get "fit" or I can use a fully equipped gym and get jacked in less time.

Aimingforthetop · Aug 6, 2016

You can get in a good physical shape without gym equipment.

But gym equipment helps.

I have always recommended to start out without equipment.

The truth is that equipment in the beginning is just fine and it will give knowhow that is valuable.

However my worries is with the newbies who doesnt have the patience to give it a proper try. So they buy equipment aren't gaining and then they start jammering about pe not working. (gives us a bad rep)

Time under tension is what will create growth. A progression in force will make a continues growth.

Tools can help you with increasing time or tension or hitting certain angles better.

But that's all there is to it.

Tools arent magic. They are just that.. Tools

GottaGetAGrip · Aug 6, 2016

The whole time I've been here DLD has shown nothing but support and always helped me use the tools I have even though I didn't buy them from the brotherhood. Hes never pushed a product at me.

Anytime he recommended a tool, right after he said he hoped someday I'd win it for free from the monthly give aways. Great guy, he is.

huge-girth · Feb 11, 2023

MaxRichards said:
Let's not beat around the bush: Product sales are what keeps forums like this alive and pockets lined so now that that's out of the way let's discuss the time vs money aspect of PE.

If we're to use fast gainers as an example: They gained fast due to the amount of time they dedicated to PE, not due to the amount of toys they bought. Even DLD reckons that his first inch in 6 months claim to fame was manual work only (is that correct?)

So what I'm trying to get at here is that worrying about the cost of equipment and waiting till you can buy it should not in any way prevent new guys from gaining. Tools or no tools, the same time investment needs to be made SO GET PULLING 🆒

I will get a length master instead of doing manual PE. Not everyone has the amount of free time that DLD has.

squirt_inducer_man · Feb 11, 2023

I have no free time, I'm happy for every tool I can get, to facilitate my penis growth.
I want to do this as effective as possibly. So I'm welcoming tools.

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